Linux-Misc Digest #97, Volume #24 Mon, 10 Apr 00 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: mounting fdd in linux ("Quiney, Philip [HAL02:HH00:EXCH]")
StarOffice registration key
Re: Script Question: killing syslogd (Thomas Hommel)
ANSI editor for Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Greetings, ("Christopher C. Stump")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Programming Languages on Linux (Andreas Kahari)
Re: WINTV ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ANSI editor for Linux (Andreas Kahari)
TV on Linux ("Chus")
Re: Script Question: killing syslogd ("Peet Grobler")
Re: EXT2 partition size limits? Still exist? ("Richard F. Jr.")
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] ("Erik
Funkenbusch")
Re: Why linux will never go beyond geekdom ("Richard F. Jr.")
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From: "Quiney, Philip [HAL02:HH00:EXCH]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mounting fdd in linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:09:13 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> how can i mount fdd in linux
mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
assuming a DOS format floppy and that the directory /mnt/floppy exists.
If all you are doing is copying to/from DOS floppies then use mtools so
you don't have to mount/unmount. The commands are basically the same as
for dos except prefixed with 'm'
eg
mformat a:
mdir a:
mcopy file a:
mcopy a:/* .
mmd fred
mdel file
IIRC file name wildcarding is unix style.
> and how can i connected to internet
> i mean what setup should i do ?
I would have a look at your ISP's local newsgroups first to see if they
have any other Linux users -someone else has probably tried to connect
before.
Failing that read through the sections in the ISP-Hookup, Modem-HOWTO
PPP-HOWTO in /usr/doc/HOWTO.
Regards
Phil Q
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Subject: StarOffice registration key
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:30:19 GMT
I recently have StarOffice 5.1 installed to my Linux Mandrake 6.0 O/S.
After 30 days trial, it asked for registration key. I went to sun website
and was given a newsgroup to obtain the registration key. I followed the
instruction to search for the newsgroup but could not find it. Does anyone
know how to obtain the registration key for it?
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From: Thomas Hommel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Script Question: killing syslogd
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:27:51 +0200
Hi
If you move a logfile to another position and don�t restart syslogd, it
will still have the old file pointer open and log to a file that doesn�t
exist anymore. So your disk space will go down, but you cannot access
the newly written logs. So restarting syslogd is a must.
Peet Grobler schrieb:
>
> I've got a script that moves /var/log/secure to another file. I (guess) then
> I need to kill syslogd, and re-start it.
Right!
>
> 1) Is that really necessary? I've noticed that once I've moved the file
> (using "mv"), even if I touch the file (to re-create an empty one), it still
> doesn't write to the file. Is there any other way to get syslogd to start
> logging?
>
> 2) How do I do that? What would the line that kills the process look like?
> I've noticed the file /var/???/syslodg.pid (can't remember the name offhand)
> contains the pid, e.g. "3315" in the file. How do you do this?
Try "kill -1 `cat /var/(?lock?)/syslogd.pid`", this should work (Be sure
to use the right quotes).
>
> 3) Last question (interesting one) : Let's say /var/log/secure is about 2MB.
> I'm doing the command (via script) "mv /var/log/secure /var/log/secure.old".
> Now, someone logs on incorrectly. Will this be logged to this file? Or will
> I lose that record ?
As I told you above, this will be logged somewhere to nirvana.
>
> Thanks,
> Peet.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ANSI editor for Linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:29:48 GMT
Hi there!
I'd like to ask if you know of any recent ANSI editor for Linux. Also,
can you tell me the range of ASCII characters that Linux can display on
a text terminal?
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From: "Christopher C. Stump" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Greetings,
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:17:23 +0200
I am trying to get my printer to work on my Red Hat 6.1 machine.
I
try to use the printtool, and everything seems to work fine (my
parrallel port IS detected, and the input filter has my printer
type...a HP 560c). When I try to test the printer with the test
options
in printtool, the 'print ASCII directly to port' option works fine.
However, when I try to use the 'print ASCII test page' option, I get
an
error which reads:
error printing test page to queue taltos (lp0) Error reason: lpr:
Connect: Connection refused
jobs queued but, cannot start daemon.
Obviously, nothing works. I assume that my printer (drivers and all)
will work fine, but something is wrong with the daemon. Could someone
please help me out with this? I've scoured deja.com, HOWTO's , and my
Red Hat online manual (along with all my linux books) but I can't find
anything addressing this problem. Any help is greatly Printer install
problem
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Greetings,
I am trying to get my printer to work on my Red Hat 6.1 machine. I
try to use the printtool, and everything seems to work fine (my
parrallel port IS detected, and the input filter has my printer
type...a HP 560c). When I try to test the printer with the test options
in printtool, the 'print ASCII directly to port' option works fine.
However, when I try to use the 'print ASCII test page' option, I get an
error which reads:
error printing test page to queue taltos (lp0) Error reason: lpr:
Connect: Connection refused
jobs queued but, cannot start daemon.
Obviously, nothing works. I assume that my printer (drivers and all)
will work fine, but something is wrong with the daemon. Could someone
please help me out with this? I've scoured deja.com, HOWTO's , and my
Red Hat online manual (along with all my linux books) but I can't find
anything addressing this problem. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance to all those who respond to this post =)
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:50:01 -0500
Mike Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > C: AT&T
> > Actually, C was invented by Brian Kerningham and Dennis Ritchie. They
> > weren't working at AT&T when they invented it.
>
> Only if you're playing semantic games. K&R were at Bell Labs.
I thought at least one of them was a student at MIT at the time.
> > > C++: ibid
> > Yes.
> > > Unix: ibid
> > No, it was invented by the aforementioned people as a scaled down
Multics.
>
> Do you mean no, it wasn't an innovation, or no, it wasn't At&T? Either
way,
> you're laughably wrong.
I mean that I don't think either of them were employed by AT&T (or bell
labs) at the time. I could be wrong though.
> > > Ethernet: Xerox PARC
> > I thought it was developed by DEC.
>
> Actually, it was Dec, Intel, and Xerox working together.
The man usually given credit for being the "father" of Ethernet, worked at
DEC at the time.
> > > GUI: Staford research institute, then Xerox PARC
> > There were GUI's even before that. Just not what we see today.
>
> Not worth the name. Check the patents.
Why? Just because it's not the same as we use today?
> > > Java: Sun
> > Java has fewer innovations than anything else. For instance, the JVM
was
> > really just a take on the SmallTalk VM. The only thing innovative was
their
> > useage of existing technologies, something which Microsoft does all the
> > time.
>
> Not having pointers? RMI? Boy, you've really drunk the Kool-Aid.
SmallTalk didn't have pointers, and it existed for many years before Java.
RMI is little more then RPC.
> > > WWW: Tim Berners-Lee/CERN
> > Though it's really based on Gopher, invented at the University of
Minnesota.
>
> Sort of the same way you're "based on" your parents, I guess.
No, Gopher came before WWW and was part of the WAIS (Wide area information
system). I was using Gopher in 1992, and it had been around for quite a
while before that. This provided linked information that you moved a curser
over and clicked or hit enter to access it.
> > > Audio/video streaming: Progressive Networks / Real Networks
> > No, these existed for a long time before that. Real just figured out a
way
> > to compress the data to go over normal phone lines.
>
> Really? Got an example? I didn't think so.
PictureTel was doing Video Conferencing for years before this. The first
types of video conferencing were video streams across T1 lines.
> > > True Type: Apple
> > In conjunction with Microsoft.
>
> Well, no. Microsoft was an early adopter of the technology.
I distinctly recall reading about TrueType and Microsoft and Apple being in
a joint venture to work on it in the early 90's prior to System 7 shipping
(I read this in MacWorld on a System 7 special... of course System 7 didn't
ship for almost 2 years after that, but it's beside the point).
> > > PostScript: Adobe
> > PostScript is just another page layout language.
>
> When you look at it that way, virtually *nothing* is innovative. The atom
bomb
> was just another firecracker. I hate the way Microsoft and their minions
try to
> drag everyone else down to their level.
Other languages such as PCL were in existance at the time. The difference
with PostScript was that it was device independant and required a hefty
processor in the printer to interpret the language.
> > > Integrated Development Environment: Borland
> > Mainframes were doing for years before them.
>
> Again, examples? I spent a good bit of time working on mainframes, and the
> closest thing I ever saw to an IDE was ISPF. Calling that an IDE is like
saying
> that a penguin is basically a headwaiter if you squint hard enough and tip
> heavily.
ISPF had many of the features of an IDE, even by todays standards. It had a
text editor, submission facility, the ability to read output from the
submission, and you could embed debuggers and other facilities in it, or use
things like screen painters for CICS. And ISPF was considered "low end".
> > > Word Processor: WordStar?
> > Newspapers were using things similar to word procesors for years before
> > then.
>
> The real break was between "text processors" like ROFF, troff, TeX, and
SCRIPT
> (mainframe) and "word processors" that were more or less "WYSIWYG".
Newspapers
> had *text processors*, but not really word processors. Still, I'm not sure
that
> some of the work at PARC didn't predate WordStar.
WordStar wasn't WYSIWYG. It was DOS based.
> > > TeX: Donald E Knuth
> > Another page layout language.
>
> Your ignorance is embarrassing, or at least should be.
The only difference between TeX and PostScript is that PostScript is the
output of the processor while TeX is the input. They both serve the same
purpose, which is to define the page and the type. It's entirely possible
to create a printer that reads TeX natively, and i'm sure it's been done.
> > > I can't think of a single innovation to come out of Microsoft. Not
> > > one. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to Microsoft's most important
> > > innovation?
> > Mass market operating systems?
>
> Perhaps if you ignore CP/M, among others.
CP/M wasn't "mass market" anymore than the Altair was.
I can't see CP/M selling more than a few thousand copies in any given year,
while Dos sold millions and Windows 10's of millions in a year.
> > Certainly the integrated web browser.
>
> Gee, here and I thought a big part of their antitrust defense was that the
> browser *wasn't* integrated.
No. In fact, Microsoft stated it was integrated. The DOJ tried to prove
that it wasn't, and failed. Then they tried to prove that it was
artificially integrated for no good reason which they got the judge to buy,
even though there were plenty of good reasons to do so.
> And let me say that I'm rather underwhelmed by the length of that list.
It wasn't meant to be comprehensive. Just a couple of examples.
Want a few more?
The Wheel Mouse.
On-the-fly-as-you-type grammar checking in Word 97 (others had done
on-the-fly spell checking before MS, but not grammar)
DirectX (or in other words, device independant low-level hardware access for
games).
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Programming Languages on Linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:35:42 GMT
In article <38f17bdf$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What programming languages are there on linux? I know about C++,
Fortran and
> Pascal. But anything else? Anything that's "own" to Linux?
>
What programming languages do you want?
Click on "Programming Languages" on the Linux Metapage at
<URL:http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/linux-meta.html>.
A programming language for a system that isn't supported on other
systems is a little bit silly I think...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WINTV ?
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:41:41 GMT
I installed the package from the xawtv website. I think it was a .tar
file not an rpm.
Oh I do have fbtv, I found it. If I run fbtv I get some error messages,
can't tell you what they are at the moment as I'm on my work computer.
Any way I'll try and reinstall xawtv.
Cheers for all the help,
Duncan
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 16:37:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >It seems I can't change to overlay, if I try to do it in /.xawtv I
get
> >this message and the tv goes back to grabdisplay.
> >
> >This is xawtv-3.11, running on Linux/i686 (2.2.12-20)
> >visual: id=0x22 class=4 (TrueColor), depth=24
> >x11: 1024x768, 32 bit/pixel, 4096 byte/scanline, DGA
> >sh: v4l-conf: command not found
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> v4l-conf comes with xawtv - mine is in /usr/local/bin, I installed
> xawtv from source. v4l-conf is used to set everything up (ie. overlay
> and such-like).
>
> I was confused as to why you didn't have fbtv either; now I think your
> install of xawtv isn't complete. How did you install it and which
> distribution do you have again?
>
> I would recommend uninstalling your current version (if you're using
> rpms or something) and installing from source at this point. Get it
> from freshmeat.net and search for xawtv. It's not that difficult
> really :-)
>
> I get the feeling that this will solve all your problems, as this
> explains why nothing else works.
>
> >waitpid: No child processes
> >v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
> >sh: v4l-conf: command not found
> >waitpid: No child processes
> >v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Maybe xawtv should complain about this a bit more obviously!
>
> Robie.
>
> >[...]
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ANSI editor for Linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:40:12 GMT
In article <8crvt1$6c0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I'd like to ask if you know of any recent ANSI editor for Linux. Also,
> can you tell me the range of ASCII characters that Linux can display
on
> a text terminal?
What is an ANSI editor? Is there an ANSI/ISO standard for editors?
GNU/Linux can display all characters you want to display (you don't want
to display e.g. control characters).
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From: "Chus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TV on Linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:50:50 GMT
Hi, i'm trying to watch TV on Linux, but i'm having problems with it. I
install the TV software, but when i try to execute it, it says that it
can't find /dev/video. I've checked for the video device, and it's Ok. What
is the problem?. How can i check the video device?. I'm completely lost, so
any help would be great for me.
Thanks in advance,
Jes�s Angel Hern�ndez
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From: "Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Script Question: killing syslogd
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:50:07 +0200
How would I avoid records being written to "nirvana" while moving the file?
Is there some other way of doing this without losing any information?
Thomas Hommel wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi
>If you move a logfile to another position and don�t restart syslogd, it
>will still have the old file pointer open and log to a file that doesn�t
>exist anymore. So your disk space will go down, but you cannot access
>the newly written logs. So restarting syslogd is a must.
>
>Peet Grobler schrieb:
>>
>> I've got a script that moves /var/log/secure to another file. I (guess)
then
>> I need to kill syslogd, and re-start it.
>
>Right!
>>
>> 1) Is that really necessary? I've noticed that once I've moved the file
>> (using "mv"), even if I touch the file (to re-create an empty one), it
still
>> doesn't write to the file. Is there any other way to get syslogd to start
>> logging?
>>
>> 2) How do I do that? What would the line that kills the process look
like?
>> I've noticed the file /var/???/syslodg.pid (can't remember the name
offhand)
>> contains the pid, e.g. "3315" in the file. How do you do this?
>
>Try "kill -1 `cat /var/(?lock?)/syslogd.pid`", this should work (Be sure
>to use the right quotes).
>>
>> 3) Last question (interesting one) : Let's say /var/log/secure is about
2MB.
>> I'm doing the command (via script) "mv /var/log/secure
/var/log/secure.old".
>> Now, someone logs on incorrectly. Will this be logged to this file? Or
will
>> I lose that record ?
>
>As I told you above, this will be logged somewhere to nirvana.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Peet.
>
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From: "Richard F. Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXT2 partition size limits? Still exist?
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:02:35 -0400
My /home/ftp partition for my FTP Server is 9.2 GB
and I have a 6 GB RAID 0 news spool
Linux Mandrake 6.1 / 7.0 , no trouble...
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> On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:41:05 -0500, Brent A. Busby
> <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
> >I seem to remember a long time ago, there was a 2GB partition size
> >limit for EXT2 filesystems. Is this still true?
> >Just what are the limits for the size of a single partition today?
> >For 2.2.x kernals? For 2.0.x kernals?
>
> The limit is now at 2T or 2048G. (granted, this large, you'll have a very
> large block size, but few people need this much space atm.)
> Unfortunately, on a 32-bit system, you're limited to a single file being
> <= 2G. People have been working on this...
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:08:20 -0500
Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:t8cI4.5516$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > NT seldom requires a reboot though for this. The software may tell you
> to,
> > but I've only found a few cases where it was required.
>
> I guess for you comment applies below that most users don't know the
> difference and reboot when told to.
Most users don't know much, if anything about the OS. Linux has the
advantage that most of it's users are fairly knowledgeable about it. This
is based entirely on the user base, and not related to the OS at all.
> It does seem that problems usually do occur if I don't heed the advice to
> reboot in my experience.
I've seldom seen that.
> > You've never had to do this with NT, despite that it told you to reboot.
> > Windows 2000 doesn't even tell you to.
>
> That is an improvement.
> Unfortunately I feel you must tell the bad of W2K to get the good.
What is that supposed to mean?
> > What they are trained to do, and what is required are two different
> things.
> > Most Linux users would probably reboot their machine if X crashed or
> locked
> > up rather than trying to telnet into it from another machine to kill the
> > processes.
>
> I feel the past and current crop of Linux users are smart enough to solve
> the problem short of rebooting.
What's easier? Rebooting your machine, or going to another computer,
logging in, connecting to your machine, etc.. what if your machine is set up
to disallow remote logins for security reasons? Rebooting is an easy
solution that doesn't require much work, and most users, even knoweldgeable
ones will probably take that route unless there is some vital reason not to.
> You are right in the future they might reboot due to their experience with
> troubleshooting under Windows.
Or due to the fact that they don't know how to do it.
> Hopeful the word will get out that Linux is modular unlike Windows and
> things can be restarted and contained well.
If you jump through hoops and leave your system wide open.
> > > Reason #4: Decreased performance. Over time, with heavy use, Windows
> > systems
> > > tend to slow down dramatically.
> >
> > Not if you maintain it properly. These are things you would generally
do
> in
> > Unix as well. An example would be trimming or deleting log files (the
> same
> > as optimizing the registry). Granted that this is often automated by
cron
> > tasks, but there's no reason it can't be automated with windows as well.
> > One step that you'll want to do with Windows is defragment, which isn't
> > usually necessary for Linux (unless you run full drives and add and
delete
> > stuff a lot).
> >
> > Proper maintenance can keep a Win9x machine running as fast as the first
> day
> > you installed it.
>
>
> That would require alot of work and software to do tell I think.
> And still I think it only helps, it doesn't solve the problem.
>
> A good program to demonstrate this is Visual Basic, but I'm sure other
> software would act this way as well.
> With VB6, megabytes of stuff is added to the registry. In fact the VB
> installer even resizes the maximum
> registry size to allow that much information to be added.
VB6 doesn't add megabytes. It adds a few dozen K or possibly 100k at most.
And again, optimizing the registry cures the problem. Registry optimzation
is rather easy as well. You can either use a program like Norton Utilities,
or you can export the registry to text and reimport it.
> As the registry grows, speed slows. I've heard of the Start Menu taking
20
> seconds to load on a PII system
> after installing Visual Basic.
Only if the registry were extremely fragmented.
> Nothing short of not installing software will help due to the design of
> Windows and Windows software, and the resulting
> interaction. Note: this does not occur really in Linux.
Untrue. As I've already said, if you do proper maintenance, it will act as
fast as the day you installed it, without reinstalling anything. Of course
adding a bunch of programs that hook themselves into the OS will slow you
down. Shell extensions are a good one for this, and lots of people add
them. A poorly written shell extension can make your system seem quite
slow. Writing Gnome or KDE extensions can do the same.
> > This seldom happens under NT. If one hangs, you can kill it from a
> command
> > prompt. I've never had it happen with Windows 2000.
>
> It happens more than seldom for me.
> Not alot, but not seldom.
> If I install apps into NT, it's worse.
> If I use NT alot, it's worse.
Such as? Have you tried going to a command prompt and net stopping the
service?
> I believe it has been shown in both Linux and NT (W2K maybe too) that a
> program can be written to hang a system easily.
Yes, it's possible in both systems.
> > Something which no longer happens with Windows 2000.
>
> They sort of sold their soul on that one trading of compatibility.
> It will be interesting if File Protection in W2K can force windows
> developers to adopt good coding practices like not changing the
> underlying OS.
Win2k has lost very little compatibility, though some classes of programs
are less compatible than others. Device drivers are a big instance, due to
Win2k's new device driver model. Other low-level programs like virus
scanners also are effected. Other than those two classes, i've never had a
program not work under Win2k that would work under NT 4, and tons of
programs that did work under Win2k but would not work under NT4.
> Doing that should be offlimits to most programs.
> Assuming that a reboot after installing new software is insane.
A common technique of install programs is to install a service or driver,
setting it to start automatically and then forcing a reboot. This is easier
than writing the code to restart the service after it's installed. This is
pure laziness on the part of the developer, and unneccesary for the user to
have to restart the computer. They could simply open the services panel and
start the service.
> Windows 2000 has improved things.
Yes, it has.
> Unfortunately there are some nasties associated with it I believe are
quite
> painful.
Such as?
> I feel Microsoft has finally hit the limit where they can't produce what I
> consider to be a better OS on the whole.
> New features when I don't want them (and bugs for free),
incompatibilities,
> etc.
If you don't want the new features, then don't upgrade or turn them off.
> Linux isn't ready as a desktop to me either.
> I do think Linux/RedHat has potiental so I'm willing to wait a few
versions
> for it to improve.
> Hopeful in the mean time more compaies will come around like Quicken,
Intuit
> and support Linux.
Perhaps, but Quicken's entire business model is based on an integrated
browser in the OS. It would be tough for them to port Linux.
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From: "Richard F. Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why linux will never go beyond geekdom
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:05:17 -0400
Um, not a lot of game's for NT, but people use it ?
even Microsoft will tell you this...
"Pencil Necked Geek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8cmh9f$bi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi, troll!
>
> Couldn't get it to work?
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Purely because it sucks the big one, no games ! no word !
> > KDE....it stinks....Gnome.....amateur hacks with pretty graphics
> >
> > --
> > Doh
>
>
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