Linux-Misc Digest #97, Volume #20 Fri, 7 May 99 14:13:10 EDT
Contents:
manpages (Martin Bieder)
Re: 2 NIC in RH, 2 subnet required? (Mark Hahn)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Shaun Rowland)
Libgdk Needed (Jason Bond)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Ejecting a CD (Mark Tranchant)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Vernon Schryver)
Re: Newbie problem modem is always busy (Andrew Comech)
PNP Modem and Linux... ("Don Whitlow")
Don't Have LDCONFIG? (Jason Bond)
Re: Ejecting a CD ("Fred Merchant")
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with
backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend) (Gordon Scott)
Re: Testing my CPU! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PNP Modem and Linux... (Mircea)
Re: PI in C (John Forkosh)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Bieder)
Subject: manpages
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:03:02 +0200
is it possible to convert manpages into ordinary textfiles?
Thanks for answers..
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 2 NIC in RH, 2 subnet required?
Date: 5 May 1999 05:02:57 GMT
>> Hi, I am trying to configure two NIC in my Linux box (RH5.2).
>> I assigned two ip for both, ie, 191.191.191.1, 191.191.191.2.
>> Now the problem is I can only ping the 2nd NIC (eth1). It
you can only ping it from where?
>> seems this is a network routing issue. What should I do to
>> configure the routing table right?
so what is your routing table?
>> Are these two NC required
>> to be from two different subnet, ie, 191.2.0.0 and 191.5.0.0?
no. you can basically do _anything_ you want. point-to-point
links with a single host route, multiple host routes, subnet
routes of any size, etc.
> They will need to be on different subnets if you expect to route, yes.
nah.
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From: Shaun Rowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 07 May 1999 12:51:20 -0400
Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthias Warkus
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> They don't develop. GNU means nothing to them. Free software means
> Shareware they "forget" to pay for.
But if they could get quality software and not even have to worry
about paying for it and also not worry about it working with limited
functionality then why would they?
>
> Give them an alternative to Windows which runs what they want and is
> "better", and they'd probably go for it. Until then you are just
> spouting off about how bad it is for the workers today and when the
> revolution comes what we will do with the elite criminal band of
> Capitalist thugs.
You have to start somewhere. Let's take Gnu/Linux[1] for example.
When I first started using it, Gnu/Linux was definitely not for the
average user. Now I think the average user could use something like
Red Hat. I know some former windows users who were curious and using
it. They love it. Would the average user favor it over windows? I
don't think it is to that point yet, but people doing things with
servers aren't average users. That is where Gnu/Linux sees success
now. And it is gaining in that area, and also with people that are
interested in doing things along that line. Is it yet a replacement
for windows on the desktop? Perhaps not, but it is moving in that
direction in some respects rather people want it to or not. I see
nothing wrong with this as long as functionality is not lost. It is
free, and people are free to do what they wish with it. That is the
key and its advantage. I think that soon we will see the alternative
to windows that runs what the average user wants via free software or
proprietary software that runs within it that is cheaper than the
alternatives.
>
> We can argue theory all day, but in the end its when the rubber meets
> the road that matters. Free software will do well, but it will never
> come to dominate the industry. In five years things will still
> overwhelmingly favor proprietary software and you will still be bitter
> about it.
>
> Oh well.....
You are looking at the end of the road today, and not taking in
account where people have been locked into it (not the average user
case though, but that is debatable and I don't totally disagree).
I do not think that outcome is a a given. It is hard to say what will
be around 5 years from now. I am surprised with how Gnu/Linux has
developed in the last year. What is even harder to guess is what will
be the case 10 years from now. IMO, it is more than possible for free
software to come to dominance if people embrace the ideology behind
it... perhaps even if they don't. I don't see how the ideology is bad
for the average user. There is no reason free software can't supply
the things you say that the average user needs. I see in the case of
Gnu/Linux it is going in that direction in many respects. Therefore
I don't agree with your last statement. This is just my opinion.
<side point>
Does "GNU reeks of Communism" really fit the picture here? Money can
be made from supporting free software. I can capitalize from free
software if I choose. I would rather share my code and offer full-time
support on the side. The money is in the packaging and support.
Making money with "free" or truly open software is the same as making
money with proprietary software, except you do it in a different
manner and it is of more benefit to the end users on a whole. Perhaps
not the average user, but for me as an end user it most definitely
would. This doesn't fit in my definition of Communism. It wouldn't
hurt the average user either. In fact, I have no idea why anyone
would want anything *but* free/open software if the software available
fits their needs. There are many different flavors, and GNU is one of
the better ones.
</side point>
[1] Gnu/Linux usage: I use this here out of respect for RMS since I am
reading this in g.m.d. and I felt like it today. Personally I don't
care anymore what it is called. Pick your flavor. I think we all
know how the two are tied together. I am *not* trying to get into
that discussion again.
--
Shaun Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IICF System Administrator DL798
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~rowland
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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Libgdk Needed
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:54:12 -0700
I've installed glib-1.2.1, glib-devel-1.2.1,
gtk+-1.2.1, and gtk+-1.2.1. Now a rpm that I'm trying
to install says:
(root@blah: ~) rpm -ivh gftp-1.12-1.i386.rpm
failed dependencies:
libgdk-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
libglib-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
libgmodule-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
libgtk-1.1.so.13 is needed by gftp-1.12-1
Are there any other libraries that I need to get and install?
Thanks again,
Jason
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 13:01:27 GMT
Hmm, perhaps you should spend a little more time helping than criticizing
people that are trying to make a point. You should take all of that pent-up
hostility and put it to some constructive purpose. Soudns to me like even
though your company 'knows the limits of windows and linux' that you do
almost all of your development on a WYSIWYG windows machine. The reason that
the GUI is so popular is that it was designed for stupid people that either
can't be bothered to spend 30 minutes to learn something new or simply cannot
comprehend that there is more to life than what is presented at the tip of
their nose.
Microsoft heavy handedness is a fact. Do you think that an anti-trust lawsuit
came about because a bunch of nerds were fighting over a bug collection?? I
think you need to take off the rose colored glasses.
As for this guy requesting windows work-a-likes on linux maybe he should just
forget about the stability, power and flexibility of Linux and go back to his
little mouse and be happy about it. Or, heaven forbid, pickup a programming
manual and some of the billions of lines of FREE Linux code out there,
something you will never see from Microsoft when it comes to their kernel,
and MAKE what he wants instead of crying about what is not available to him.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A human being should be able to change a
diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a
ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act
alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die
gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-wirehead.
In article <7el01j$g2t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> >
> > Linux> A good and easy to use offline news-reader like Forte
> > Linux> Agent, which is able to decode binaries with a single click
> > Linux> of the mouse, sorting headers on subject, and launcing
> > Linux> binaries with one click.
> >
> > Gnus/Emacs. Learn to use the keyboard, it's much faster than the
> > mouse.
> >
>
> Oh please..... That may be true for some of us, but not everyone is so good
> with the keyboard. There is a reason the mouse is so popular. People are more
> productive with it. Yes, I can type faster than most people so I use the
> keyboard over the mouse frequently. But GUI programs are usually easier to use
> than text based ones.
>
> > Linux> A powerfull and versatile e-mail program, equal to Eudora
> > Linux> Pro 4 or higher. Maintining mailboxes with drag-and-drop,
> > Linux> filtering incoming message and put them in the appropiate
> >
> > nmh/exmh/mh-e. I'll bet I get my mail sorted before you've even
> > figured out what folder to put it in ... and I do it without touching
> > a mouse.
>
> You are missing the point. He wants ease of use, simplisitc. Yeah, that
> command line makes lots of sense to non-Unix types.....
>
> > Linux> A good file manager, equal to Windows Explorer. you can say
> > Linux> what you want, but the windows explorer is a good file
> > Linux> manager. Drag-and drop is just very easy to use. So the
> >
> > Bleccchh. In 1990 I was using a shareware file manager that beat the
> > holy crap out of Windows Explorer. Do the math. I almost never need
> > one in linux & when I do, I mostly use dired in emacs; when I'm
> > playing `root' I move files around on the system with GIT.
>
> Well good for you, but you are in the minority. It's great *you* don't need
> one, but you aren't typical of 99% of the rest of the world. It's great your
> an experienced Unix user, but *again* the point of his post was he wanted the
> same ease of use in Linux. You can brag all day about how archaic text
> commands make sense to us, but it is falling on deaf ears.
>
> >
> > Linux> A fast image viewer program, equal to ACDsee. It must be
> > Linux> FAST, FAST,FAST, have a browser-option which allows you to
> > Linux> maintain your image files easily, supports keyboard command
> > Linux> (delete, move, copy) adn it must be fast.
> >
> > I don't waste much time looking at pictures, when I do need a gif
> > viewer, I just use XV.
>
> <sigh> Quite frankly, I don't think he cares about how *you* use a computer.
> He was talking about *his* uses of one. He obviously wants to look at
> pictures. ACDsee is a great program that many people use. Just because you
> don't use it, doesn't mean graphics aren't important to the other
> 833,343,432,643,343,341 computer users out there....Such arrogance!
>
> > It sounds to me like you're married to the Win95 mentality. That dog
> > won't hunt in linux. You need to start asking yourself whether the
> > way you do things now really is the best way. Otherwise, you might as
> > well put FAT32 back on that partition.
>
> It's unfortunate that many Unix are so arrogant and condescending to people
> who are used to Windows. Basically you are saying "Linux is better. Learn to
> do it our way." Yeah, and your types accuse Microsoft of heavy-handedness.
> Windows users use a wide variety of programs. They aren't going to give those
> up just and jump with Linux on their desktops just because Linux is purer or
> more stable. If it won't run their software or is confusing, they won't use
> it. No matter how much *you* say they don't need all that stuff.
>
> Mark Hoffman
> D Animation Multimedia and Web Design
>
> (Where we know the limits of both Windows and Linux.)
>
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> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ejecting a CD
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 13:34:50 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I suspect those "CD-ROM icons" are in fact kscd, the audio CD player.
Open each and close it down with the little 0/1 power switch; try the
eject button on the remaining one after closing one of them down.
Mark.
Vector wrote:
>
> Sorry for the lame question, but anybody know how to get a CD out of the
> CD-ROM drive? I've made sure I dismounted it and I've tried eject but I get
> "device or resource busy." I'm running KDE and there are two CD-ROM icons
> in the toolbar on the lower right but I can't get rid of them. Is that what
> is causing my drive to be busy? How do I tell which process(es) is/are
> keeping it from being ejected? Thanks,
>
> Jared
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vernon Schryver)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 6 May 1999 17:23:04 -0600
In article <7gt5n3$1lp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> ...
>But none of the above may be the critical factor if the real problem
>is that for some of the web requests you send a query to an
>external database and the responses come back slighly slower than
>the requests come in. You end up with an increasing number of
>processes consuming memory but nothing else is really wrong -
>the processes are all waiting on network I/O.
> ...
On the contrary, there are good alternatives. Since at least the early
1960's (Project Genie/SDS 940), multi-user systems have had safeguards
that try with varying success to keep them out of thrashing regimes
where they do little useful work.
In this kind of situation, the hacks in inetd and sendmail to stop
listen()ing for new connections is a good, cheap, effective solution.
Simply stop forking (or whatever) for new incoming work when you get
behind. This mechanism is equally useful whether the work requests are
for port 23, 25, 513, or 80. Continuing to promise to do more and getting
farther behind is not a feature, but a bug that invites denial of service
attacks and unscheduled reboots. Recall accepting too much work was the
substance SYN bombing problem, and that the fixes are all ultimately based
on saying "no" to more work when the queues are full.
Vernon Schryver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: Newbie problem modem is always busy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7 May 1999 13:34:15 -0500
On Fri, 07 May 1999 15:10:20 GMT, AnOldCowboy wrote:
>On 7 May 1999 02:15:28 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 May 1999 20:36:59 GMT, AnOldCowboy wrote:
>>>I'm useing Caldera V1.3 and kppp. I have a USR v90 voice internal
>>>modem. It's not a winmodem, at least it worked with Redhat 5.2.
>>>When ever I try to dial out or query the modem it says that it is
>>>sorry the modem is busy.
>>>...
>>see whether you have the lock file:
>>/var/lock/LCK..modem
>>It contains the PID of the process which is supposed
>>to be using the modem. If there is no such process,
>>just remove that file.
>
>There is no LCK..modem file in /var/lock, but thanks for the
>suggestion. Could something be loading on boot that is
>capturing the modem?
Once, after I changed a modem, I was surprized to find out that
it was busy after boot-up; but then I recalled that I have had pppd started
at the boot-up and the modem has already been connected ;-)
I doubt there could be anything else loading at boot...
Btw., instead of /var/lock/LCK..modem you could have e.g.
/var/lock/LCK..ttyS2 (COM3) if this is where your modem is (in my case,
minicom is configured to use /dev/modem, which is a symbolic link
to /dev/ttyS2; that's why it is looking for /var/lock/LCK..modem).
If you start minicom as strace -o strace.out minicom
then you will find the list of all system calls in strace.out; maybe
you'd spot something there (see also the man page which explains how
to read those calls in detail).
This is the contents of strace.out when I start minicom with modem
being already in use:
...
open("/var/lock/LCK..modem", O_RDONLY) = 4
read(4, "0000000272\n", 127) = 11
close(4) = 0
kill(272, SIG_0) = 0
write(2, "Device /dev/modem is locked.\n", 29) = 29
setregid(1000, 1000) = 0
setreuid(1000, 1000) = 0
_exit(1) = ?
Best,
a.
(or maybe I should have stopped the post with exit(1)...)
--
Looking for a Linux-compatible V.90 modem? See
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem
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From: "Don Whitlow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PNP Modem and Linux...
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:17:35 -0500
Hi All,
I have recently returned to working on my Linux system, trying to get it to
work again. I have recently reinstalled Red Hat 4.2, and gotten most things
working. However, I can't remember what the name of the package was that
would allow me to set my PNP modem to be at a certain COM number, so I can
PPP to my ISP.
This used to work, and I know I had to do something to get the COM port
moved around on my box. I just don't remember what the name of the utility
was. Could someone please point me in the right direction?
Please, no "Buy a real modem" cracks. :) It's on the list of things to do,
but I need to get this working first.
Thanks in advance,
Don
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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Don't Have LDCONFIG?
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:07:03 -0700
Apparantely, I need the program ldconfig in the process
of installing GTK and GLIB but I get:
(root@blah: ~) ldconfig
bash: ldconfig: command not found
when running as root....any suggestions as to the problem?
Thanks,
Jason
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From: "Fred Merchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ejecting a CD
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:25:44 -0400
Poke a paper clip into the little hole in the front of the drive.
Vector wrote in message <7guf97$rdv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Sorry for the lame question, but anybody know how to get a CD out of
the
>CD-ROM drive? I've made sure I dismounted it and I've tried eject but I
get
>"device or resource busy." I'm running KDE and there are two CD-ROM icons
>in the toolbar on the lower right but I can't get rid of them. Is that
what
>is causing my drive to be busy? How do I tell which process(es) is/are
>keeping it from being ejected? Thanks,
>
>Jared
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Scott)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (was: Wanted: Database/Contact
mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend)
Date: 7 May 1999 13:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: Gordon Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Larry Blanchard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren wrote:
: >
: > UNIX supports several users out of convenience - some processes are best
: > run as a separate users. to me, the fact that the same machine can run
: > several login shells simultaneously is not sufficient to call it
: > anything else. the concept, in UNIX, is a hack - for instance, that
: > there are only two levels of user - root and not root.
: >
: > if you want a true shared user system, go for an operating system that
: > supports it - NOS, VMS, TOPS-20.
: >
: Let's see. Because it only supports two *levels* of users, you claim it
: doesn't support multiple *users*.
And he's forgetting the effect of groups.
: I seem to remember something about
: that type of argument from a long-ago logic class :-). What are the
: words for "it does not follow" in Latin?
Not good on Latin --- something like `parlus annus ex' I should think :->
G.
--
Gordon Scott Opinions expressed are my own.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (official) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (backdoor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) http://www.apis.demon.co.uk
Linux ............... Because I like to _get_ there today.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Testing my CPU!
Date: 7 May 1999 13:55:28 GMT
Scott Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 May 1999 08:08:16 +0400, Ferdinand V. Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>HI all,
>>I have a PII 400 stand alone PC and running Mandrake 5.3 on it.
>>I wanted to put some load to my CPU close to 100% to test it's
>>stability.
>>I can't find a single app to do that except the password cracker
>>program I'm running now. It can push my CPU up to 99% usage
> [deltia]
>>pointer anymore. Any suggestions?
> Compile a kernel. Compile a bunch of stuff at the same time!
Better yet, compile a kernel after changing the MAKE def'n in
/usr/src/linux/Makefile. Change it to 'MAKE = make -jN' where N is
the number of make processes you want to have running at once. Note that
this will test not only your cpu but also your disks, as there will be
a fair bit of I/O. I've noticeably slowed down (although just a bit) my
dual PII-450 w/ 512 MB RAM by specifying MAKE = make -j, which sets
no limit on the number of make processes.
Enjoy!
--
====================================
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PNP Modem and Linux...
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:33:18 -0400
isapnptools is what you want.
MST
Don Whitlow wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have recently returned to working on my Linux system, trying to get it to
> work again. I have recently reinstalled Red Hat 4.2, and gotten most things
> working. However, I can't remember what the name of the package was that
> would allow me to set my PNP modem to be at a certain COM number, so I can
> PPP to my ISP.
>
> This used to work, and I know I had to do something to get the COM port
> moved around on my box. I just don't remember what the name of the utility
> was. Could someone please point me in the right direction?
>
> Please, no "Buy a real modem" cracks. :) It's on the list of things to do,
> but I need to get this working first.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Don
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Subject: Re: PI in C
Date: 7 May 1999 08:46:15 -0400
mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: How do I get the value (approximation) of pi in a C program?
Use pi.c below, compiled with
cc pi.c -o pi -lm
Note that pi/4 = atan(1.0).
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
int main ( int argc, char *argv[])
{
double pi = 4.0*atan(1.0);
printf("pi = %.16lf\n");
}
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