Linux-Misc Digest #129, Volume #19 Sun, 21 Feb 99 17:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused ("Scott D. Hernalsteen")
Re: I like it the hard way 8-/ (2.2.1 on Slackware 3.5) (lany)
Re: Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations? (corgard)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (JunkDTectr)
Re: Upgrading xfree (NF Stevens)
Star Office v5.01 (John Thompson)
sendmail effective user (Milos Prudek)
Re: Disable CTL-Chars (^C) in shells script? (M Sweger)
Re: formation linux!!! (Harry)
Re: Typo; Should have been Consumer Pole (garv)
sccs for linux (naftali)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Paul Doherty)
Re: gcc or egcs use pentium instructions? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: kernel compilation problems ("Amelia A. Lewis")
Re: Star Office - Registration????? (John Thompson)
Re: Login incorrect (Samuel Knapp)
Re: c++ compiler (Micha� Kuratczyk)
Apache and different users (Morten Ranheim)
ICQJava Problems (James H Timberlake III)
Re: Linux Compatible modem? (John Hasler)
Re: c++ compiler ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Is It Just Me (Tim Moore)
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From: "Scott D. Hernalsteen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:43:00 -0500
Paul Taylor wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:07:00 -0800, "P.G."
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > KDE and GNOME are going to prove to be integral to the success of
> > LINUX in the mainstream. The GUI for LINUX is will be the 'killer app'
> > and whoever gets there first will be the kings of the LINUX world.
>
> You're assuming a monopolistic winner-takes-all scenario. The beauty
> of Linux is that there is no need (or reason) for there to be a single
> desktop solution. I'm currently using fvwm95, AfterStep and enlightenment
> window managers, with and without Gnome; I haven't decided which
> combination
> I like best, but that doesn't make any difference to the applications I am
> running. With themes, even the same window manager can look and feel very
> different depending on the user's taste (or lack thereof... ;)
>
> Open, open, open.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Paul Taylor Veni, vidi, tici -
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] I came, I saw, I ticked.
I agree. I currently using a wm called Blackbox which I really like.
It's simple, pretty straightforward and fairly stable(it is
*technically* beta software after all). Sure you have to edit a file to
configure the menu, but that's still pretty easy... The key is that *I*
like it and it lets me do what I want without the GUI getting in the way
and isn't that what *really* counts?
--Scott
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From: lany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: I like it the hard way 8-/ (2.2.1 on Slackware 3.5)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:01:11 -0500
Take a hard look at:
http://www-stu.calvin.edu/~clug/users/jnieho38/goto22.html
http://www.linuxhq.com/change22.html
and the rest of the new kernel stuff at linuxhq. I think I'm gonna wait
for Pat to come out with a nice easy 2.2 kernel upgrade pkg :)
Lany
"A.G." wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> Got a pack of distributions from CheapBytes. Tried RH, and Caldera - Naaah!
> not for me. Too easy. ;) They do everything for you, and place scipts in
> non-standard places, assuming that the users won't dare to look for them. If
> I wanted to rely on interactive utilitites with graphical interface, I
> wouln't want to move from WindowsNT. :) (just kidding)
>
> Slackware 3.5 won me in this respect. In two days I managed to upgrade
> kernel to 2.0.36, replace egc with newest gcc, install new bash, etc. on
> both of my computers (686 and 486). My main goal right now is to move to
> 2.2.1 since it's out there and my system is not fully configured yet
> anyways. Going through the shopping-list, I am upgrading components and
> having some problems along the way. For bandwidth conservation I posted
> *entire* warning and error messages as text files at:
> >snip<
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (corgard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:44:17 GMT
Remember with an ISA bus, you are at best going to get speeds of 25 to
33 MHz. Therefore, buying a 100 Mbit/sec (=100 MHz) card will simply
be overkill on an ISA bus.
I know personally of no 100 Mbit/sec ISA ethernet cards, but I
certainly am not the last word on the subject. Linux supports NE2000
clone cards very well. As far asperformance goes, unless you're going
to do IP mulicasting of MPEG video over your home network, a 10
Mbit/sec network should do fine until you upgrade all computers to PCI
bus.
I have had good success with www.egghead.com (the surplus direct
section) I have purchased well over 20 ISA ethernet cards (for Linux
machines) at prices ranging from 5.99 to 7.99 per card. I have also
noticed on the site that if you miss a good deal, simply wait 2-3
weeks, and the same product will reappear.
Hope that helps.
On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:05:16 -0500, "Arcady Genkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>Can you guys recomend what used ISA networking card should I buy?
>
>I am going to network 2 computers. The other one already is a PCI
>full-duplex 100Base-TX/10Base-T with Reltek 8139 chip (ne2000 for PCI).
>Should it influence my decision as to what to buy? I have heard that ne2000
>clones are poor performers.
>
>What transmission speeds do you suppose I will be able to get out of it? I
>know 100Base is capable of 200 Mbps in full duplex mode. Any ISA cards match
>that?
>
>Also, how safe is it to buy from online auctions, like Ebay? There seems to
>be tons of old hardware for sale there...
>
>Thanx a lot for any input!
>
>Arcady
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JunkDTectr)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:00:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The GUI for LINUX is will be the 'killer app'
> > and whoever gets there first will be the kings of the LINUX world.
>
> Today, I learned that IBM has announced it will preload Linux on its servers and
> desktops.
>
> Okay, so IBM is on board. That leads me to my next thought:
>
> Why not persuade the folks at IBMS PSP (Personal Software Products, or whatever
> name they go by these days; they're in Austin, Texas) to port OS/2's Presentation
> Manager to Linux!?!?
>
> PM was THE reason I was so in love with OS/2. It adhered pretty strictly to the
> established CUA standards, was fully object oriented, fast and smart as a whip.
> Even in the OS/2 2.1 version, Windows 98 could only DREAM of being so tight!
>
> Has anyone ever discussed this?
Wouldn't that be a hoot. Bill screwed IBM over OS2 in a big way
when they abandoned OS/2 development and magically came out with
NT. It'd be a nice way for IBM to even things up, and be a part
of the next desktop os that will give us something we lost when
OS2 failed in the marketplace.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: Upgrading xfree
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:53:26 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mick George) wrote:
[snip]
>I follow the installation instructions to the letter but I can't seem
>to get the "extract" utility to unzip the files correctly. Is there an
>easy way to unzip these *.tgz files. Like I've said I've only just
>started with Linux so if you could keep the answers to one syllable
>words please :-)
tar -tzf <file name>
This will display a list of files in the archive. Use
tar -xzf <file name>
to extract the files.
Check the man page for tar for more information on the available options.
Norman
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Star Office v5.01
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:07:41 -0600
I saw that there is a new v5.01 release of Star Office on
sunsite.utk.edu
Has anyone tried it? What's new (perhaps the long-awaited
import/export filter enhancements)? I'm reluctant to
download all 65MB again over my dial-up connection unless
there's something worth going for here...
Curiously, I didn't see any mention of it on Star Division's
web page.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Milos Prudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sendmail effective user
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:43:06 +0100
How can I find out under what effective user my sendmail DELIVERS mail?
--
Milos Prudek
Sonet Online s.r.o.
http://www.sol.cz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.sys
Subject: Re: Disable CTL-Chars (^C) in shells script?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 19:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
M Sweger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hi,
: Can anybody tell me if it is possible to disable the ^C/^S/^Q/^Y etc
: in a shell script? I'm trying to write a shell script that is a user menu
: drive script and would like to for the user to exit the program correctly and no
:force their way out by doing a ^C command.
: Thanks. WHat would the command sequence look like?
: Can this be done for all shell language types, ie. Bourne, Csh,tchs,ksh,...
: --
: Mike,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Mike,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: formation linux!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:38:42 -0500
Is this the jeter l'anglais thread?
You should have said "Raymond you're a Nazi", though a better
sentence would be: "Raymond, it's off to the showers."
Harry
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Typo; Should have been Consumer Pole
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:00:58 -0800
we wrote:
And it's a pole they whack you on the head with.
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From: naftali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sccs for linux
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:22:27 +0200
Hello,
I am using several Unix accounts, Linux 5.2 among them but also system V
and Solaris. Due to that I have a problem in porting files to and fro the
various systems. The last one which came to my attention is that Linux
apparently has no SCCS support. SCCS is a standard on system V machines so
I would prefer to use that instead of cvs, or rcs. I don't mind using an
emulation of SCCS for Linux, if the interface is the same as the regular
SCCS.
can anyone tell me where can I find SCCS for Linux ( emulation or the
real McCoy ? ) ?
thanks in advance
naftali
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From: Paul Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:25:44 GMT
Thomas Joynt wrote:
> True, but they were still nuclear devices that had lasting radioactive effectrs
> as well. There is a certain stigma attached with that.
As there should be... but it *was* war and you know how the saying
goes.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: gcc or egcs use pentium instructions?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 13:36:06 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Seth Van Oort wrote:
> Thanks. Does default installation have the compiler using these
> instructions where appropriate or do you have to configure it a specific
> way or just pass flags at compile time.
The default depends on how the compiler was configured (at build time),
and can be altered with flags like "-m586" and "-march=pentium". See
the compiler's "info" pages.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Amelia A. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel compilation problems
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:11:04 -0500
Thanks, Tim and Ed.
Tim Moore wrote:
> > First problem: I have a DLink DFE530TX. Fine; found on the net that
> > Donald Becker's got an experimental via3403.c driver that should run it.
> > My problem: how do I add the driver to the kernel build? I'm going to
> correctly the 530 uses a DEC 21040, commonly referred to as the Tulip
Nope. 500 is a tulip; 530 isn't. I may try it anyway, but others have
posted that it doesn't work, and were looking for solutions, and were
pointed at the 3403 code.
> Also see /usr/doc/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.
*laugh* Yes, well. It recommends that if you don't know how to compile
it, you shouldn't be messing with it. Possibly true, but I'd prefer to
take the risk, if only I could get someone to offer me some directions
on how to modify the kernel source to include the new driver (thereby,
no doubt, making my own life miserable ... but the machine is a new
install, and I'm willing to take chances, and not whine when I get
bitten ... I'm ignorant, not stupid, and ignorance is generally
curable).
> > 2.0.32 only see <64 Mb of the 128 Mb of installed memory in the machine.
>
> 'append "mem=128M"' in /etc/lilo.conf
Argh. Yes, I proceeded to find this after posting a question that makes
me look like an idiot. Oh, well. Thanks, though.
Amy!
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star Office - Registration?????
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:52:27 -0600
Rluby wrote:
>
> I dl'd all 64 mb of Star Office Personal Edition from world-domination.mit.edu
> via ftp. In the Star-Office setup program it tells you to enter a registration
> key which can be picked up at their web site.
>
> So I go to their web site - Where is the Registration dialog? I've **already**
> downloaded the program. They do not appear to have explicit registration links
>
> ( like a button labeled "registration" ) on their web site.
>
> Flame on -
> Come on - guys! If you want people to register, you have to let them do it!
> Is this rocket science?
> Flame off
Hmm.
When I installed there was a dialog at the end of the setup
to go ahead and register. It connected to Star Division
over the internet, sent in all the user information and
installed the registration key. It only took a couple
minutes.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Samuel Knapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Login incorrect
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:36:24 -0500
You can also edit the new user's account to set a dummy password for
them.
I usually create a new account with adduser, then execute
passwd <username>
as root, and give them something easy to remember like "duck2"
Then when I tell them they have an account ready to go, I tell them to
go in and change that passwd to something they will use.
Rich Cloutier wrote:
>
> Unless you set the password with the adduser command (-p password) you can't
> log in cause the adduser command by default sets the password to some value
> which I have yet to figure out.
>
> The only way around it is to edit the passwd file (as root) in the /etc
> directory. You will see two exclamation points in the user line after the
> first colon. Delete these, and save the file.
>
> Then log in as your user. Login won't even ask you for a password. Then
> while in your user account, set your password using passwd. Everything
> should be fine after that.
>
> Rich Cloutier
> Upali Bandara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Christian Plent schrieb:
> >>
> >> I got a little amazing problem (Rehat 5.1).
> >> I can't login as a normal user (only root works). The answer is "login
> >> incorrect".
> >> I've checked my passwd, the available shell, the directory security,
> >> etc...
> >> Any idea ?
> >Me too!
> >I Added a new user (adduser), set the password for the user (passwd
> >samuel). But a login as samuel did not succeed. Using the command "su"
> >you can help yourself, but I don't think you want that to do.
> >
> >Samuel, 16
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Micha� Kuratczyk)
Subject: Re: c++ compiler
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:58:09 GMT
Upali Bandara wrote:
>I even installed the whole RedHat distribution, but trying to compile a
>program like hello.C with gcc hello.C an error message is saying
>that iostream.h contains errors - much errors. I capitulated.
g++ hello.C
--
Micha� Kuratczyk
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From: Morten Ranheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apache and different users
Date: 21 Feb 1999 22:46:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
I'm trying to configure apache (1.3.4) so people can have they're
homepages in the /home/someuser/public_html
So far I haven't managed this with any success. When I check the
error_log it all goes to
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/someuser/index.html. What I want it to do is
that it goes directly to the users public_html directory as mentioned
above. So how can I do this? Are there any chmod stuffs I need or....?
Thanks for any help
PS! Yes I've read the help files, but I haven't seen anything about this
problem.
--
Morten Ranheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: James H Timberlake III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ICQJava Problems
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:40:04 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i installed the jdk 1.1.7 and ICQJava. i am able to start ICQJava and
when i do it gives me the dialog where you register users. i already
have an ICQ number so i click on the existing ICQ number box. i type in
my # and pass and then it brings me to a "register user" dialog box
where it asks for my name, nickname, and other info like that. there is
also a dialog box that says something to the effect of "registering 2
icq #'s for the same person is not recommended". it seems like it
registers my existing # fine, but then sends me straight into the
"register new user" dialog, which i can't exit. when i close ICQ and
restart it, the same thing happens.
has anyone else experiened this? is there a workaround? please help
James
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Compatible modem?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:12:48 GMT
Frank Hahn writes:
> I'm not sure this is true or not but there is a comment in the March
> 1999 issue of PC World that all PCI modems are controllerless modems
> or winmodems. The page number is 258. Look in the middle column
> towards the bottom.
> If this is true, it sounds as if no internal PCI modem would work with
> Linux.
I believe I read that Multitech makes a non-winmodem PCI modem that should
work with Linux. I have no information about it, though.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: c++ compiler
Date: 21 Feb 1999 17:03:36 -0500
Upali Bandara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
UB> I even installed the whole RedHat distribution, but trying to compile a
UB> program like hello.C with gcc hello.C an error message is saying
UB> that iostream.h contains errors - much errors. I capitulated.
Right: gcc is a C compiler, and iostream.h contains C++ code which a
plain C compiler can't deal with. Try using a C++ compiler such as
g++ (or, for maximum portability, c++).
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:51:19 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is It Just Me
> Yeah. My old dream of the registry renderer.
>
> 1. Normal config files
> 2. Rule files for every config file defining how to translate it into
> your-preferred-format
> 3. A central transactional repository (with CRC if binary)
> 4. A central list of config files
> 5. A tool that merges config file informations into the repository
> according to the appropriate rule file
> 6. A tool that renders config files from the repository
Take a look at the WNT registry to see where this road goes.
--
[Replies: make the double y a single]
"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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