Linux-Misc Digest #150, Volume #19 Tue, 23 Feb 99 07:13:13 EST
Contents:
DIP script (charlie)
Re: New Message in netscape freezes with 2.2.1 Kernel (matt)
Re: Apache and different users (Todd Knarr)
Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Sniper)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Re: floating point accuracy on Linux? (Georg Schwarz)
Re: IBM adds Linux (William Burrow)
Re: manual for coffee (William Burrow)
Hard disk duplication?? ("Dion Burger")
Re: More bad news for NT (Jason Clifford)
Re: kernel 2.2.x upgrade (James Bourne)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Linus Torvalds)
Video Capture Card for Linux? ("Dion Burger")
limited resource: network ("olcay ergun")
Re: one thing that sux about Linux.... ("Tony")
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From: charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: DIP script
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:04:01 +0800
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I am new to linux,and would like to connect to internet by dip,
but every time after i enter my password,the moden hungup.
It seem can not connect to ppp0, am i guess right?
And how should i config the ppp0?
MANY THANKS ...
And the log messages is :
Feb 24 02:10:29 ryo dip[770]: DIP: tty_open: /dev/cua1 (4)
Feb 24 02:10:29 ryo kernel: Use of setserial/setrocket to set SPD_*
flags is deprecated
Feb 24 02:10:53 ryo dip[770]: waiting for "login:" for 20 sec's.
Feb 24 02:10:53 ryo dip[770]: waiting for "word:" for 10 sec's.
Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo dip[774]: tty_notlocal: file0: /dev/ttyp0 flle4
/dev/cua1
Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo pppd[774]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo pppd[774]: Using interface ppp0
Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo pppd[774]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cua1
Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Modem hangup
Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Connection terminated.
Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Exit.
my dip script is below:
# Select configuration settings
setup:
# Ask PPP to provide tje addresses
get $local 0.0.0.0
# Select the port
port cua1
# Set the port speed
speed 57600
# Create a loop counter
get $loopcntr 0
# Sets the number of data bits to 8, is recommended for ppp
databits 8
# Sets the parity to N is recommended for ppp
parity N
# Set timeout
timeout 3600
# Dail the remote server
dialin:
# Reset the modem and clear the input buffer
reset
flush
# Dial the PPP server and check the modem respones
dial 7540-3298
# If busy, dial again
if $errlvl == 3 goto redail
# If some other error, abort
if $errlvl != 1 goto dial-error
# Otherwise rest loop counter
get $loopcntr 0
# Give thr server 2 seconds to get ready
sleep 2
# Login to the remote server
login:
# Send a carriage-return to wake up the server
send \r
# Wait for the Username> prompt and send the username
wait login: 20
if $errlvl != 0 goto try-again
send kristin\r
# Wait for the password> prompt and send thr password
wait word: 10
if $errlvl != 0 goto server-failure
password
# Wait for the PPP server's command line prompt
sleep 5
if $errlvl != 0 goto server-failure
# Send the command required by the PPP server
send ppp enable\r
# Success! We're on-line
connected:
# Set the interface to PPP mode
mode PPP
# Print the IP address
print $locip
# Exit the script
exit
# Error processing routines
# Try dailing 3 times. Wait 5 seconds between attempts
redial:
inc $loopcntr
if $loopcntr > 3 goto busy-failure
sleep 5
goto dialin
# Try a second carriage return
try-again:
inc $loopcntr
if $loopcntr > 1 goto server-failure
goto login
dial-error:
print Dial up of $remote failed.
quit
server-failure:
print Dial up of $remote failed.
quit
busy-failure:
print Remote server busy. Try later.
quit
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<BR> I am new to linux,and would like to connect to internet
by dip,
<BR> but every time after i enter my password,the moden hungup.
<BR> It seem can not connect to ppp0, am i guess right?
<BR> And how should i config the ppp0?
<BR>
MANY THANKS ...
<P> And the log messages
is :
<BR>Feb 24 02:10:29 ryo dip[770]: DIP: tty_open: /dev/cua1 (4)
<BR>Feb 24 02:10:29 ryo kernel: Use of setserial/setrocket to set SPD_*
flags is deprecated
<BR>Feb 24 02:10:53 ryo dip[770]: waiting for "login:" for 20 sec's.
<BR>Feb 24 02:10:53 ryo dip[770]: waiting for "word:" for 10 sec's.
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo dip[774]: tty_notlocal: file0: /dev/ttyp0
flle4 /dev/cua1
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo pppd[774]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo pppd[774]: Using interface ppp0
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:04 ryo pppd[774]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cua1
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Modem hangup
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Connection terminated.
<BR>Feb 24 02:11:37 ryo pppd[774]: Exit.
<BR>
<BR> my dip script is below:
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Select configuration settings</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>setup:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Ask PPP to provide tje addresses</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>get $local 0.0.0.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Select the port</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>port cua1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Set the port speed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>speed 57600</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Create a loop counter</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>get $loopcntr 0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Sets the number of data bits to 8, is recommended for
ppp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>databits 8</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Sets the parity to N is recommended for ppp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>parity N</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Set timeout</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>timeout 3600</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Dail the remote server</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>dialin:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Reset the modem and clear the input buffer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>reset</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>flush</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Dial the PPP server and check the modem respones</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>dial 7540-3298</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># If busy, dial again</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>if $errlvl == 3 goto redail</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># If some other error, abort</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>if $errlvl != 1 goto dial-error</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Otherwise rest loop counter</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>get $loopcntr 0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Give thr server 2 seconds to get ready</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>sleep 2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT> <FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2># Login to the remote server</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>login:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Send a carriage-return to wake up the server</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>send \r</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Wait for the Username> prompt and send the username</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>wait login: 20</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>if $errlvl != 0 goto try-again</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>send kristin\r</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Wait for the password> prompt and send thr password</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>wait word: 10</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>if $errlvl != 0 goto server-failure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>password</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Wait for the PPP server's command line prompt</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>sleep 5</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>if $errlvl != 0 goto server-failure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Send the command required by the PPP server</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>send ppp enable\r</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT> <FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2># Success! We're on-line</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>connected:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Set the interface to PPP mode</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>mode PPP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Print the IP address</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>print $locip</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2># Exit the script</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>exit</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT> <FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2># Error processing routines</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2># Try dailing 3 times. Wait 5 seconds between attempts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>redial:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>inc $loopcntr</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>if $loopcntr > 3 goto busy-failure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>sleep 5</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>goto dialin</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2># Try a second carriage return</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>try-again:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>inc $loopcntr</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>if $loopcntr > 1 goto server-failure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>goto login</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT> <FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2>dial-error:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>print Dial up of $remote failed.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>quit</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2>server-failure:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>print Dial up of $remote failed.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>quit</FONT><FONT SIZE=-2></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-2>busy-failure:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>print Remote server busy. Try later.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-2>quit</FONT>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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From: matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: New Message in netscape freezes with 2.2.1 Kernel
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:50:50 +0000
Gerd Roethig wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:48:22 -0700 Doug Nordwall
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Whenever I hit new message in Netscape (4.08 and 4.5), it freezes
> >netscape. This is after I updated my kernel to 2.2.1. It does not freeze
> >if I am logged in as root, but it does as any user, so I suspect that it
> >is a permission problem on a library, but I have no idea which. Perhaps
> >someone with more knowledge could give me a hand?
>
I had the same problem. My home directories are NFS mounted on another
machine. root worked because it had a local home directory. When I set a
user to a local home directory, it worked find.
This NFS bug seems to have been fixed in kernel 2.2.2
Matt
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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache and different users
Date: 22 Feb 1999 02:30:45 GMT
Morten Ranheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This didn't work for me. I also tried to do "UserDir public_html"
> without success. As mentioned throughout the README files for version
> 1.3.4 everything should be kept in the httpd.conf file. So I have done,
> but neither of all hundreds different variations I've tried works.
Well, I'm running 1.3.1, but it shouldn't have changed from there to
1.3.4. You might want to try doing
/usr/sbin/httpd -l
and making sure that mod_userdir.c is listed. The only thing I can think
of is that it wasn't compiled in for some insane reason.
> Do I need to do chmod stuff or...?
Depending. If the Web server user can't read the files, it can't serve
them, but you shouldn't need anything special beyond making sure that
the files can be read ( making them a+r should do it ).
Now, remember that the proper URL for this would be something like:
http://www.domain.com/~username/
If you try doing something like:
http://www.domain.com/username/
you'll be accessing the username directory below the server root, not
the public_html directory for username. There is no way around this,
other than making symlinks in the server root directory to the user's
public_html directories.
--
All I want out of the Universe is 10 minutes with the source code and
a quick recompile.
-- unknown
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sniper)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:42:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok, heres the deal, got a Toshiba 310 CDT, currently running Windows
98, office 97, agent, Outlook 98 etc etc.
I'm seriously thinking about going over to Linux, but, every document
I produce, must be portable over to office.
1. Is red had 5.2 a good choice for a Toshoba laptop, or will I have
problems with drivers, Infra red USB etc.
2. What can I use application wise that's not going to involve a huge
leap from Office ? and provide backwards compatibility with Word and
Excel 97 ?
Thanks in Advance for all you help suggestions.
Ian
Email me
scorp 888 at hotmail dot com
Now your clever, so you can work it out, cant you ?
for the spam trap
root@localhost
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 11:11:08 GMT
It's not like Linus was being a complete ass or anything-- and on top of
that, it was said that celebrities should act as to their expectations.
Why should we hold extended expectations for famous people? Are they
supposed to be nicer and more perfect because their names are well
known? They're people, too, you know.
- Mike
On 23 Feb 99 04:41:51 GMT, Tony Porczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
>
>Exibit #1:
>----------
>> Awww, damn... leave Linus be... He wrote a wonderful OS, and if
>> people going to be like John, Linus has got a right to say whatever
>> the hell he wants. Is he not human?
>
>Exibit #2:
>----------
>> You should expect *every* person to act well, if you're going to
>> expect anyone _at all_ to act well.
>
>Were you *trying* to contradict yourself?
>
>> Sheesh...
>
>Hm...
>
>t.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: Re: floating point accuracy on Linux?
Date: 16 Feb 1999 08:59:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar) writes:
>On an x86, floating point math is done by default with 80-bit
>registers rather than the 64-bit registers on most workstations.
>So the garbage bits on the end of `b' proved to be significant
>in this calculation on the x86 machine. As a test, I reset the
>FPU to work in 64-bit mode by default on the x86 machine, and
>got the same results as on the Alpha (and that you saw on the
>MIPS machine).
how do you force x86 to use only 64 bit? Judging from the man page of
gcc, -ffloat-store should do the trick. However, it does not seem to do
so.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: IBM adds Linux
Date: 22 Feb 1999 02:13:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:57:03 GMT,
steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Frankly I'm hoping that in the next 12-18 months IBM will announce a
>virtual machine system that will simultaneously run Linux, NT, OS/2,
>and any other system you care to write.
Apple was supposed to eventually release a product that could run Unix,
Windows and MacOS. They have since cancelled their Intel release of
this product and scaled back what the product will do. Search for
Rhapsody for more information.
>As I recall there's some instruction or other that the x86 processor
>didn't have that is essential for writing a virtual machine system.
Intel processors provide a virtual machine mode. DOSEMU makes use of
it to emulate a PC for running DOS in. I've never done virtual
machine programming, so I can't really fathom what instruction might
be missing.
>Hope this doesn't come off as sounding unsupporting of Linux, it isn't
>meant to be. Otoh, I still run NT as my primary system because it has
>all the software that I bought over the years for doing things like
>ng's, graphics editing, doc-prep, etc etc, and I still run Win95 as a
>launchpad for some DOS utilities like DriveImage and PartitionMagic.
Perhaps one of the reasons OS/2 didn't catch on. Though they did try
to patch over that problem with a Win16 interface to handle Windows
programs.
>Finally, I don't see IBM's move to start distributing Linux on their
>server boxes as anything besides enlightened self-interest. They have
>become aware that Linux is a popular platform for net servers and are
>therefore offering it (presumably preconfigured) on their boxes so
>they'll sell better. It does save money for the customer, since the
>sysadm won't have to spend as much time configuring the new system.
Seems to be a win all over. What are you grousing about?
>It says nothing one way or the other about Linux's technical merit, if
>it'll make IBM a few more bucks, and it's not unethical or illegal,
>you can pretty much count on them doing it or planning to. Besides,
I'm sure IBM is perceived as a company that will slap any piece of
software it finds onto a machine and shove it out the door.
>Linux doesn't need a pat on the head from big blue.
Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: manual for coffee
Date: 22 Feb 1999 02:18:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:49:52 +0000,
Nick Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>anyone remember where man coffee lives? - lost my bookmark, & want to
>install it locally for good measure!
Also, man condom. ;) Had that one many a disk crash ago. Too little
time to spend searching for stuff like that though. In fact, what am
I doing reading newsgroups. Ugh.
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From: "Dion Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Hard disk duplication??
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:27:39 +0200
Is there a way to duplicate a hardisk image after the linux installation.
I need to set up multiple linux boxes (assume identical hardware). This will
save me hours of installation and configuration time.
Cheers
Dion
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:09:38 +0000
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Jon Wiest wrote:
> The diagnostics have been done, and NT is faster and scales better, at least
> with kernel 2.0 or 2.1. 2.2 might change things...
You really should have qualified this statement by adding that this is
only true in relation to SMP.
For single CPU systems Linux wipes the floor with WinNT - but then again
so does every other *real* OS available for the same hardware.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Bourne)
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.x upgrade
Date: 16 Feb 1999 09:00:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:46:06 -0500, Robert Crosbee did say with great verbosity:
:Im currently running rh5.2 kernel 2.0.36 and im looking to update the
:kernel to the newest 2.2.x(i forgot). Is there a RPM for this and if so
:which ones do i need and where can I get them. Im a little confused
:since the ftp sites that ive been at have only had the kernel-2.0.36.rpm
We don't have a kernel RPM available (see the archives for why), but we do
have all the necassary RPM packages for userland available on our WWW site
at http://www.affinity-systems.ab.ca/software/2.2.x-upgrades/
Regards,
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linus Torvalds)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 22 Feb 1999 02:45:49 GMT
In article <7apv25$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> And we all _know_ you want to make money using other peoples code, and
>> that's part of why I'm really happy you aren't using GPL'd code.
>
>The above statement shows a provincial (and incorrect) view that
>free software shouldn't be used by others.
Oh no. It should be used by others - that's the whole point. But any
improvements should also be fed back into the system, rather than being
split up into somebody elses one-off enhancement.
You also claim I don't support the notion of "capital" when it comes to
software (in this posting and in others), and that's just silly: I very
much believe that software _is_ capital that should be used as widely as
possible.
But I also think that it's capital that should gather compound interest.
"Compound interest" is a very powerful thing, you know. Instead of
letting people remove the capital from the bank, you let it accrue
interest forever, and you never empty your account. You can live quite
well off the interest.
The GPL is the bank, John. The GPL is the thing that keeps the capital
there, and gathering interest, and growing. Because of the unique
properties of information, you can always make any withdrawal without
eating into your capital, but in order to gather interest the GPL has
the "you have to feed back" clause.
And yes, I'm taking advantage of it, John. "Exploitation", if you will.
I think it makes tons of sense, and quite frankly I think you're just
looking pathetic by trying to paint that kind of exploitation as
something evil. It's just common sense.
> In that guise, it is
>a tease to have historically called GPLed works "free", and you have
>built your little empire on the backs of developers under that
>misconception. Isn't it funny how misuse of language can affect
>the way things go?
It's not a misuse of language.
Your concept of "freedom" is that of a five-year-old. You think that
"free" means that you can do whatever you want to. You think that
"free" means that you can defecate on other peoples property if you felt
the urge to do so. Your concept of "freedom" does not seem to allow any
rights to others - it only allows anybody to do whatever they want to.
I have news for you: that's not what "freedom" means. The concept that
_you_ call freedom is actually called "anarchy" by people who actually
know the language.
It is _you_ who misuse the term "free". You aren't the only one, but
most other people who use your notion of freedom seem to love in small
shacks somewhere in the middle of nowhere, preferably Montana.
Proper "freedom" does not imply that you can do whatever you want to do.
I'm sorry if I'm bursting some of your bubbles, but it's true. The US is
called the "land of the free", yet it doesn't mean that there are no
laws, nor does it mean that there are no rules of conduct.
In fact, having laws and rules of conduct is very much the cornerstone
of being free. If the US constitution said "You can do whatever you
want to", it wouldn't be the basis of anything much at all. With any
true freedom goes resposibility, and the requirement that there be rules
to live by.
The GPL is one such "constitution". And I'm not claiming it is the only
one: the same way the US is certainly not the only free country in the
world.
But refusing to call something "free" because there are rules associated
with it only shows a complete lack of understanding of the language.
John, ponder that for a while. Maybe you should just start saying that
you prefer "anarchistic software licenses", and tell everybody that they
should forget this "freedom" thing because it imposes rules that you
don't like. But saying that "free" precludes having rules just shows
that you are naive.
Linus
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From: "Dion Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Video Capture Card for Linux?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:55:10 +0200
Can anybody recomend a video capture card for use with linux. I need to
capture frames at at least 5 frames per 30 seconds. This data must then be
transmitted over serial comms.
This procedure may require source code to drive this board.
Please help
Dion
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From: "olcay ergun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.help.hardware,comp.os.linux.help.misc,comp.os.linux.help.software,comp.os.linux.help.video,comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.software,comp.os.linux.v
Subject: limited resource: network
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:29:20 +0200
Hi,
I am going to make a research about Network Resource Management.
We'd like to control applications's network access on Operating System(OS)
level. We consider bandwidth as a limited resource and it must be used
fairly
among computers. In order words, OS watches requests of applications to
network.
If OS has permission to access for a machine, it lets the application to
use network resources. The diffuculty we've currently faced is that I
couldn't find research or resource about this topic. If you hit some
paper about that, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.
Olcay ERGUN
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From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: one thing that sux about Linux....
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:36:44 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:19:51 -0600, Jerry Lynn Kreps
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
I
>answerd the question teling them that altavist pointed me to such and
>such a page that had the answer he was looking for. There are some
>good questions and answers here but lets look for the answer before
>asking the question..
Hmmm .. well I spent 3 months reading, searching, researching about Linux
before trying it . Posted question twice on newsgroup about Ultradma
controllers and Promise (also asked on irc channel) ... never got an answer
btw ( just one "howto" ) ... not defending windows here, but it's never
taken me more than an hour to find anything out, and I have rarely seen the
kind of attitude in a MS newsgroup that I've seen in Linux groups (although
I DO realize this is a minority ;-) ).
>people when good questions are asked. more times than not, the same
>questions are asked again and again and again and again and again and
Well in all fairness, not all news servers keep posts for an unlimited time.
It seems more and more are actually removing posts within a few weeks time.
Even Microsoft news servers have started removing posts older than a month
.. so if the thread goes dead .....
I've gotten in habit of downloading posts that I think may be of useful
future reference, even if I haven't tried or used it yet .. hey maybe
someday I'll have enough to compile a book eh ?
>again. I also notice when a question is answered, only sometimes is
>there a thankyou. I try to be polite but this does need to go in both
>direction.
Agreed, treating others as you would like to be treated goes a long way .
Tony B
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