Linux-Misc Digest #151, Volume #19 Tue, 23 Feb 99 08:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: one thing that sux about Linux.... ("Tony")
Re: Putting NT (and Linux) on the Same System? ("Tony")
daemons dying (iqbal)
Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Shyam Govardhan)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Martin)
Re: (No) PPP (at all) using Zyxel external ISDN TA (Jason Clifford)
WARNING !!! Don't order the Linux Central Debian 2.0 r3 CDs !!! (Erwann CORVELLEC)
Re: SoftOSS Installation (Steve Gage)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
Using a tape drive as a hard drive ? ("Mark Smith")
Re: Xdm, then xsession??? (John Thompson)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Martin)
Figgering out kernel capabilities (Klaus Bernpaintner)
Re: Newbie: Postscript Alternative (Jason Clifford)
Re: AGP Graphics card? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Ken)
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From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: one thing that sux about Linux....
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:20:12 -0500
Replies below ..
William Wueppelmann wrote in message ...
>In our last episode (Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:40:38 -0500),
>the artist formerly known as Southam said:
>>You expect a CEO to learn e-mail on Linux? Right. His time costs about
$200
*snip*
>>mostly knows how to use it. I wish everyone in here would drop the "holier
>>than thou" attitude. You all seem to either have a superiority complex or
>>want to divide the world into technology haves and have nots.
Well, I reckon most Linux ppl don't have that kind of attitude. I think it's
more the "visible" people. Been on a Linux irc help channel lately ? You are
better off spending hours browsing through the "how to's" . I am beginning
to supsect most of the "attitudes" belong to younger (under 17) Linux users
... just been my experience that older users don't seem to have this
attitude.
>whether it's on Linux or Windows. Netscape Mail is Netscape Mail,
regardless
>of the platform it runs on.
I agree ... I'm new to Linux and don't mind futzing around, especially if
I'm learning something new (at least as long as I don't wind up nuking my
other stuff .. but then again I've always been a gambler). One of the things
I've noticed about win95 (at least OSR) is how sturdy (not talking about
crashes) it was .. I mean it's really HARD to screw your system up ..
re-installing win95 on top od itself solves a lot of problems (although I
never thought this to be good solution for everything.. I'd rather screw
around in the registry) ... I hope Linux is as kind (bleh) .
>More people use computers today than ever before, but the percentage of
>computer users who are functionally computer-illiterate is probably higher
I agree ... probably explains why so many people use aol. Ever notice how
Compaq user's eyes glaze over (not talking about server types) .. better yet
.. ever try and work on one ?
>their machines, I suspect that most people can be migrated from one system
to
>another with only a couple of hours of training. And if two or three hours
of
I agree also. Unfortunately, a lot of people just want to turn thing on ...
I did some work for a guy that would just go out and buy machines, then have
to spend a lot of time dealing with proprietory hardware (see Compaq) when
wanting to install/run another OS ... I tried to explain that it was better
(and cheaper) to build a network from scratch (like why have a soundcard on
a server?), but the eyes glaze over.. the credit card comes out ... the
relative from Oracle comes in to "fix" NT, email goes down for 3 weeks ...
Maybe this is why so many companies hire "certified" people .. I guess they
figure that they would get a hirearchy of troubleshooting techniques, as
opposed to a simple "divide and conquer" method. I'm not implying that all
certified pros are "trained chimps" , but if help desks at isp's ,
hardware, and software companies are any indication .....
>training under Linux is the price for almost zero downtime, that's probably
a
>worthwhile investment for most executives.
That's provided it makes it into the workstation mainstream . I agree with
you though .. it doesn't make sense to have a fully blown multimedia machine
with a PII400 processor to do email, spreadsheets, word proc etc .
Unfortunately marketing has a big influence on Corporate America's decisons
. Macs are still very big (almost exclusively) in publishing in NYC, and
most of downtown uses NT ( I guess for the security .. if only they knew),
Unix on mainframes. I guess over time things will change ... as the
work/corporate force becomes integrated with college grads who have used
"alternate" OS's .
Tony B
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From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Putting NT (and Linux) on the Same System?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:46:22 -0500
I'm planning on doing the same thing .. I'm a little confused though, as I
don't want Lilo in the MBR .. would I install it to the root directory on
the 2nd disk , and if so do I have to set that as the active partition ?
>From the RedHat install book it says this will nuke the root of the sytem
... To play it safe I was going to leave a small dos primary partition on
second disk and install Lilo (and Linux) into empty space on on rest of
second disk . But I'm not sure if this will work ?
Since it's a 3 gig drive I was also planning on saving a bit of space for
some windows storage (kind of like a common data file area that all 3 OS's
can access) since I wish to use NTFS & EXT2 file system , but from what I
read I have to use Linux fdisk to set up fat partition on 2nd disk ...
correct ?
Thanks,
Tony B
Mark Gilmore wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>http://www.linuxhq.com/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html
>You have to do some config to the NT loader so it will call LILO. The
HOWTO is pretty good.
>
>Wayne Watson wrote:
>
>> > ...
>>
>> Let me restate my previous posting. What I would like to achieve is to
have NT and Linux on different
>> disks. NT and associated file systems are on disk 0 presently. I would
like to purchase another disk
>> and put Linux on it, and then be able to boot up in either OS, but I
don't want to distrub any of the
>> NT files or partitions. Is this possible?
>>
>> --
>> "If you don't think too good, then don't think too much." Ted
Williams, Baseball Great
>>
>> ========== Wayne T. Watson
==========
>> When having fun, which is a lot, you'll find me on the internet pursuing
my hobbies of amateur
>> astronomy and science. When I get serious, I consult in C, UNIX, C++,
Java. See my web page.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Web Page:
http://www.sirius.com/~mtn_view (Updated 2/15/99)
>
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From: iqbal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: daemons dying
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:48:40 +0000
Hi
I am having problems with certain daemons dying on my machine.
I hace cucipop running, and then all of a sudden it dies, and requires a
restart.
this also happens with Mysql and apache. The webserver carries out its
authentication via Mysql, however very now and again i get an internal
server error, which only gets fixed when i restart it. Has anyone else
come across this strange behaviour
Thanks
Iqbal
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From: Shyam Govardhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:36:50 +1100
Hi all,
I have been playing with DB2 on my Linux machine for a while now and I
am very impressed with it. I think that it would be really good if IBM
could port Visual Age for Java to Linux. If this were to happen, then
the Linux community would obtain a sophisticated IDE for JAVA and I also
think that it would increase the popularity of DB2 on Linux.
This is my opinion... What do you all think?
- Shyam
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Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin )
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 10:50:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, W Gerald Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Robert S. Sciuk wrote:
>[snips]
>> I choose to use FreeBSD because it is technically superior, and by using
>> it, I give up nothing in terms of my rights to my own work. This takes
>> nothing away from Linux -- I just can't use it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rob.
>
>Amen.
>
>Although I too like the operating system that Linus named after
>himself but was mostly developed by others, it's unusable for many
>commercial ventures because of the viral nature of the GPL. It's so
>very twisted, vague, and difficult to comprehend that our legal counsel
>has advised against even hiring anyone who is so infected with having
>released works under it.
I've been looking at Linux more seriously recently since it seems to be
building up some momentum and I need to be aware of anything which may be
commercially important...
If you just use Linux as an alternative to NT and other Unixes - i.e. an
operating system on which to build and deploy your applications, it seems to
me that you do not have to worry too much about the implications of the GPL.
As I understand it, the Linux equivalent of most of the base libraries which
we would use on NT or any other operating system are released on the LGPL
which does not impose any particularly licensing model on code which is linked
with them. If, like me, you are a commercial software developer, just view
Linux as an alternative to NT or Solaris which happens to be cheaper to
acquire. If you can find a paying customer base for applications which run on
Linux then use it like any other operating system - don't cut corners by using
other people's GPLed source, purchase any development tools you need, and ship
your code. If you are a serious software developer, you should be selling your
work at a rate which will cover the cost of commercial tools - if not, you
should be asking whether it is worth it.
To Linus - you've done a good job, for which I salute you! You have chosen to
give your work away which is ok by me - from what I have seen of it, I would
have been prepared to pay good money for it if I could find a paying customer
base. I will continue to watch developments with interest and make sure that I
keep up to date with your baby so that I will not be caught by surprise if the
world suddenly switches en mass.
Martin
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: (No) PPP (at all) using Zyxel external ISDN TA
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:36:23 +0000
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Fernando Raimundo wrote:
> Wow!
>
> Let me count... 1, 2... er...100... 133 keystrokes, and not counting mouse
> clickings, just to inform that you refuse to make 3 keystrokes to help other
> people maintain their mailbox usable.
>
> Is this representative of the Linux community?
In that he explained to you why many people will NOT respond to you via
email yes.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Erwann CORVELLEC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: WARNING !!! Don't order the Linux Central Debian 2.0 r3 CDs !!!
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:37:59 +0100
I order the debian 2.0 r3 CDs as mentionned here:
http://linuxcentral.com/products/lccd/
And I received the Debian 2.0 ones (which I have already ordered in August 1998) !
:((((
I am still waiting for an explanation from Linux Central...
Do anybody has the same problem ???
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: SoftOSS Installation
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:02:54 +0000
Hans Wolters wrote:
>
> Steve Gage wrote:
> :In my last kernel compilation, I opted for the SoftOSS midi feature. A
> :nice module was created, but I have not found any instruction anywhere
> :as to how to activate it or integrate with my existing audio.
>
> [snap]
>
> Don't know if it's what you need but look if you've got the v_midi.o and
> load it with modprobe/insmod
Hmmm... no, v_midi.o did not get generated. Is there another config
option I need to select to make that happen? Or should it have been made
when I selected SoftOSS?
- Steve
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:11:42 +0000
On 22 Feb 1999, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> But John! GPL *is* the license for everyone -- Linus even said so!
That is mis-representation. Linus has repeatedly stated that GPL isone of
many licenses people can choose from and that they should choose the one
tht suits *their* needs.
GPL is his preferred license for his Open Source/Free work.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Using a tape drive as a hard drive ?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:54:58 -0000
Hello,
Just a quick question, in the Windowz world there are a few programs that
will allow you to use your tape drive as though it was a hard drive (it gets
a drive letter that you can drag-n-drop files to and from), is there such a
program under Linux that does a similar job ?
Thanks in advance
Mark Smith
Storage Direct Ltd.
Http://www.storagedirect.com
Http://www.avdev.co.uk
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Xdm, then xsession???
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:28:46 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I'm trying to set up the workstations so that they go right to xdm upon
> bootup (that's working, no problem) and then when they log in, they get the X
> gui, like fvwm-95 or afterstep, but all I'm getting so far is, I think, twm.
> I tried copying .xinitrc to .xsession, as suggested in the howtos, but that
> didn't help. Where is this set at?
Change your /etc/inittab file so the line:
id:3:initdefault:
becomes
id:5:initdefault:
This starts xdm when you boot up.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin )
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 12:09:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner) writes:
..
>
>i think richard stallman does a very nice job attacking the evils of
>proprietary software. however, i feel that the solution proposed by
>richard stallman is rather naive. big flashy projects such as linux
>get enough volunteers and work well under GPL. small niche products
>are of interest to a very few and tend not to do so well under GPL.
>programmers will need to eat. there is more to producing software
>than support. the support people and programmers are often distinct.
>i do not have an answer as to what will work best. the `market' keeps
>`choosing' proprietary in (nearly) every situation. therefore, the
>market isn't a good answer either.
>
>i like the GPL where it fits. however, i do not think it is a
>universal solution and neither is BSDL. it has its own collection of
>issues, but works well in certain cases.
>
The FSF approach is a valid (and possibly viable) alternative to the
commercial development of off-the-shelf software which includes operating
systems, a range of applications such as wordprocessors and games. There is a
sufficiently large number of talented developers who either enjoy building
such things or actually need them enough to build them for their own use that
they will get developed. Also, there will be a high enough user base that the
developers could indeed hope to make enough to live on selling support,
documentation, customization etc as RMS has suggested in various articles I
have seen.
However, as I have pointed out before in other Linux and FSF discussion areas,
a very large part of the software development which goes on every year does
not fall into this category. I and thousands of developers like me spend our
lives building bespoke software for specific commercial customers. These are
one-off systems, usually based around a large database and serving financial
functions such as payroll, pensions, purchasing and stock control.
The FSF model really doesn't apply here - no customer is going to decide that
they need a system and publish a cry for help on the net hoping that a large
enough group of competent developers is going to jump in and produce a quality
result in a finite period of time. Even if that happened, the customer will
have sunk a significant amount of time and money into the project and will not
be too pleased at the prospect of having to publish its source for their
competitors to look at!
The GPL is certainly not applicable to this type of software development, but
as I have said before, I don't think that the GPLed nature of Linux is
incompatible with it either. If one of our customers decided to go down the
Linux route, we would purchase commercial development software and make sure
that we did not incorporate any GPLed source code in it. Since all the base
level libraries of Linux seem to be released on the less demanding LGPL, this
does not leave us any worse off than we would be on other operating systems.
Martin
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From: Klaus Bernpaintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Figgering out kernel capabilities
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:07:07 -0500
Is there a way to figure out what the capabilities of a kernel are? I.e. can I
somehow query it for what drivers it has compiled in to it?
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie: Postscript Alternative
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:59:51 +0000
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Calvin Mitchell wrote:
> Is there alternative to postscript for printing graphics?
>
> I was trying to print from Netscape to my local Laserjet 6L; ASCII is
> fine, but I don't have a postscript simm.
You need to install and configure ghostscript. It will translate
postscript into PCL for your printer thus giving you what you need.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: AGP Graphics card?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:35:31 +0000
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, David McKinney wrote:
> I cant get X to load with my SiS6326 agp card.Any ideas on drivers or?
> Other than that no problems with Redhat 5.2 on m590 motherboard with amd
> K6- 350 overclocked to 400. Any help with this video,please.
The SiS6326 chipset is support only in XFree86 3.3.3 and newer (and the
card is not very well supported yet either). Red Hat ships with XFree86
3.3.2 so you will need to obtain the RPMS for XFree86 3.3.3 which area
available for download from ftp://updates.redhat.com/5.2/i386/RPMS/ or
from a suitable Mirror site.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:21:40 -0800
From: Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
John Girash wrote:
>
> Hmm, last time I checked Calgary was just north of Montana in fact.
> And it was the hotbed of the recent anti-gun-registration movement.
>
As a libertarian-minded person, I can't resist commenting on this...
but I can't tell from your post if you think gun registration is good
or bad...
Ken
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