Linux-Misc Digest #159, Volume #19 Wed, 24 Feb 99 03:13:13 EST
Contents:
DSL and Linux (Pat)
Another process control - type question ("David Sisk")
Re: Redhat 5.2 & PPP (Bill Unruh)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Richard Steiner)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: 3d program for linux (Stef)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Alexander Viro)
Re: X, Netscape crashing after CPU changed to P200 MMX (Linux PC)
Re: New Message in netscape freezes with 2.2.1 Kernel (Matt Templeton)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (msb)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Kinkster)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Dialing out help (Chetan Ahuja)
su & bash shell : can't login : permission denid (arnee)
Re: Hint on running X on S3 card? (Rob O'Connell)
Re: changing my HD (Rob O'Connell)
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From: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DSL and Linux
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:06:57 +0000
I recently signed up for DSL service and should have the line installed
in a couple weeks. While I'm waiting, I'm investigating what will need
to be done on the OS side to get DSL up and running. I poked around in
the HOWTO section, but didn't find anything that specifically related to
DSL. Can anyone help me out here?
I'm signing up with the PacBell service in the Silicon Valley area.
According to their FAQ, PacBell offers Discrete Multi-Tones (DMT) instead
of Carrier Amplitude (CAP) ADSL service. I'm not sure if this makes a
difference on my end or not.
Also, I'm running Red Hat 5.0 on a Pentium Pro PC.
Can anyone give me some insight or point me to an applicable HOWTO or
web page?
Thanks in advance.
--
Pat O'Neal
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "David Sisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another process control - type question
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:09:03 -0500
OK, I'm going to draw on some programming that I did years ago on an IBM
AS/400 using RPG (I know, I know, EEEEEE!!!) to pose a particular question:
It was possible to have program1 call program2 with parms like so (in
pseudo-code):
* program1 source...
...
call "program2 somedata n" -- Load program2, do some work, and return the
parms
call "program2 somemoredata n" -- program2 already loaded, do some more
work, return the parms
call "program2 nodate y" -- tell program2 to exit.
..
* program 2 source
get the parms
do some work
If parm2 = 'n' RETURN -- don't exit, stay loaded
else SETON *LR -- exit and unload the program (meaning about the same thing
as EXIT(0) in C).
This was a very efficient way to call an external program because it stayed
loaded until you sent it the parms to tell it to exit.
Question:
Is it possible to do the same sort of thing (using C) in Linux (or any Unix
for that matter)? How about in Win32?
If the exact same type of method is not available, what's a good way to
emulate it?
Any responses appreciated. Doubly thankful if you'd email as well as
posting.
Regards,
--
David C. Sisk
The Unofficial ORACLE on NT site
http://www.ipass.net/~davesisk/oont.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Redhat 5.2 & PPP
Date: 22 Feb 1999 20:16:06 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
writes:
>: don't exist on my system (i.e. /usr/bin/ppp-on) and then they say "If
>On RH, this file (and its cousins) is in /etc/ppp.
Actually no. They are buried in /usr/doc/ppp-2.3.3/scripts. move them to
/usr/bin (ppp-on and ppp-on-dialer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:51:18 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
spake unto us, saying:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Joseph Malicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> So what if it is? It still works nicely, and is a good freely-available
>> implementation. He took some works which were mostly of academic
>> importance and turned them into something usable by many people.
>
>So was BSD, but it wasn't a knock-off, but the real thing. There is
>little to be gained from reinvention.
It depends. It's quite possible that a reimplementation could uncover
a new and more effective approach not found in the original, or perhaps
avoid old baggage or existing problems found in the original.
Both are potentially large gains.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris + BeOS +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Flashlight........a place to keep dead batteries!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:51:58 GMT
On 24 Feb 1999 04:32:24 GMT, John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>I didn't say that GPL is bad because it allows marketeers to profit from
>free software. I said that GPL is bad because it supports the marketeers
>at the expense (and not to the economic advantage) of the programmers who
>produce and incrementally create the works.
Which profiteering marketeers do you have in mind? The ones at Walnut
Creek? The ones at LinuxCentral? The ones at LSL? Or the ones at
CheapBytes?
Note that all of the above listed "profiteers" are marketing FreeBSD
on a roughly equivalent basis to the basis on which Linux is
marketed...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: Stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3d program for linux
Date: 24 Feb 1999 08:03:10 +0100
: There was a 3d program I heard of about 6 months ago that was linux only. I
: can't remember the name of it, can someone throw a few names at me???
Hm, whats your definition of a 3D program? What comes to me mind:
Povray (http://www.povray.org), a Raytracer.
Stef
--
WebMaster D-WERK
President SOS-ETH
ETH Zurich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hoes.li
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 22 Feb 1999 13:59:53 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Keith G. Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That's an interesting article. This, in particular, sounded odd to me:
>
>"A third gray area involves putting a value on what can be considered a
>significant enhancement to Linux.
>For example, if someone were to write an amazingly efficient
>heterogeneous file system for Linux, couldn't
>that person charge for the file system? Maybe, maybe not, is the answer
>because if it is deemed to be
>part of the Linux OS, anyone who uses it gets the right to the source
>code, so what amount of money
>can be considered low enough to discourage piracy? If a vendor decides
>not to pass the code back to the community for free but charge for it or
>hold it, that vendor may receive the cold shoulder from the
>Linux community."
Translation: if you are playing with kernel modules and don't let
kernel developers see your source you are on your own. If there will be
need to change VFS interface (and I mean *real* need - nobody does it just
for fun) it will be done. If that will break your module - fix it yourself.
*And* redistribute binaries. I.e. waranties re preserving the interfaces
within the kernel are weaker than ones regarding the interface with the
userland. Same goes for *BSD - 3rd-party binary-only LKM is more fragile
than binary-only program. Again, nobody does it just for fun - there is enough
filesystems in official tree to make such change pretty painful.
>Now, what's the basis for that part about "if it is deemed to be part of
>the Linux OS, anyone who uses it gets the right to the source code"?
>What's that based on, if anything? I've seen no mention of Linux or an
>OS in the GPL...
Erm... Included into official tree? Kernel, I mean. Again, the same
goes for *BSD too (GPL is tolerated but frowned upon; anything requiring
fee for distribution is completely out of question).
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linux PC)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: X, Netscape crashing after CPU changed to P200 MMX
Date: 24 Feb 1999 06:49:19 GMT
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:07:05 +0000, David Kirkpatrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is the 200 a known valid cpu for your board and have your
>verified the voltage and mhz jumpers?
Yes, the Pentium 200 MMX is the fastest Intel CPU offically compatible
with the motherboard, according to the motherboard manual and the
motherboard manufacturer's web site.
Yes, I have checked the voltage and MHz jumpers several times,
(including today).
3.3V & 2.85V (set according to motherboard manual)
(On the 2nd voltage, according to Intel documentation, if I read it
correctly, 2.8 is nominal, 2.9 is maximum and 2.7 is the minimum.)
Clock multiplier x3 (set according to motherboard manual).
Thanks for your reply.
If you have any other ideas, they would be appreciated.
NOTE-- Junk mail trap:
To e-mail me, please remove the following word from the
address above: system
>
>Linux PC wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just replaced my CPU with a faster one, a Pentium 200 MMX.
>> (I also flashed my BIOS to the version recommended for MMX.)
>>
>> X Windows now crashes if I move the mouse too fast, and Netscape
>> crashes if I click the middle button to open up a new window for
>> a link.
>>
>> When X crashes it displays:
>> Fatal server error:
>> Caught signal 8. Server aborting
>>
>> All apps run from a Linux console seem to be stable.
>>
>> Anyone else experience this problem? How can I fix it?
>>
>> TIA
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From: Matt Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: New Message in netscape freezes with 2.2.1 Kernel
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:28:09 +0000
Gerd Roethig wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:48:22 -0700 Doug Nordwall
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Whenever I hit new message in Netscape (4.08 and 4.5), it freezes
> >netscape. This is after I updated my kernel to 2.2.1. It does not freeze
> >if I am logged in as root, but it does as any user, so I suspect that it
> >is a permission problem on a library, but I have no idea which. Perhaps
> >someone with more knowledge could give me a hand?
>
If your using NFS to mount your home directories on another machine, try
updating to kernel 2.2.2 . It helped me...
Matt
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From: msb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:31:06 -0800
please post your 234 reasons why linux is better...
tia,
msb
> This fun to reply to. Maybe we dont have all those speacialized graphics
> clogging up our memory, but when my software crash's, it the software. not
> need to reboot whole system. If you want my 234 reasons why linux is better
> than Winblows 98 just ask.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:03:46 GMT
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:23:29 +0800, "Mark Harrison"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>(massive trimming... hope I got the attributions right...)
>
>Kinkster wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:28:07 -0800, "Sam Felton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>With _very_ few exceptions, every place outside the US and Canada that I
>>>have been, has little or no emission control standards. Take a walkabout
>in
>>>Pu Dong in Shanghai, or Oxford Circus in London, and you'll see very
>quickly
>>>what I mean.
>>
>>The fly in the ointment is that the SUV's and the trucks that I've
>>complained about are _exempt_ from the emission standards that apply
>>to cars. One of those V8 trucks or SUV's can spew more emissions per
>>mile than probably 20 - 30 (guesstimate) cars do. Our emission
>>standards for cars is pretty good , for the highly popular gas
>>guzzling land yacht SUV's and Trucks it's not so good.
>
>
>You have *no*idea* what you are talking about! You should see the
>*incredible* amount of emissions vehicles in other places produce.
>There's a joke over here about a guy from Beijing who visits
>Los Angeles... the punchline is something like "it's so uncrowded,
>the traffic is so good, and the air is so clean."
My _point_ was that TRUCKS and SUV's in the US _DON'T_ have the same
emission control standards as do PASSENGER CARS. There are bills afoot
to change that but as of this date (2/24/99) Trucks and SUV's can
legally (and do) spew more pollutants per mile than can passenger cars
in the US.
>
>FWIW,
>Mark.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark Harrison
>AsiaInfo Computer Networks http://usai.asiainfo.com:8080/
>Beijing, China / Santa Clara, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:06:39 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 21 Feb 1999 13:24:32 PST...
..and Matt O'Toole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ooh, now you're thinking. But, is that too much like a Winwizard? How
> uncool...
*PLONK*, and don't let the door hit you as you leave the group.
mawa
--
Level 2 - Data Link Layer
User is a major player in the development of XYZ package which is
included in all distros of Linux.
-- Cliff Pratt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chetan Ahuja)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Dialing out help
Date: 24 Feb 1999 07:20:40 GMT
Chuck Lidderdale ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I've looked through the manuals and can't find what I'm looking for -
: help please.
: I'm using RH 5.2 as a local server - what I want to do is use it as a
: gateway to the
: Internet, setup as a "on-demand" dealt. That is when when a
: workstation/client
: pops up their browser [Netscape] that the server will fire up the modem
: on the
: server, connect to our ISP and maintain that connection as long as
: needed.
: Any suggestions - a script using DIP?, Minicom?, another something?
: Thanks,
: Chuck
'diald' is the answer to your problem. It dials up the ISP on demand.
Search for it on freshmeat.. You will also need to set up IP masquarading
on your linux box. Search for all this on the dejanews/freshmeat/web search
engines etc.
All the best
Chetan
--
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From: arnee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: su & bash shell : can't login : permission denid
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:54:48 -0800
i am currently using rh5.2 and i did some updating (errata) last week
which i believe was the coz of the problem or rather the beginning of
it.
PROBLEM: su cannot login as different user.
ERROR MESSAGE: su: cannot run /bin/bash : Permission denied
PROBLEM: when i telnet or login, it returns to login prompt
ERROR MESSAGE: login: no shell: Permission denied
i can only use root... and i'm not sure where to start looking for the
problem. actually i checked the shell's (bash) groups permissions and
all that... and it seems to be fine. any ideas where to begin?
i updated all new rpms and i thought it might be the new pam0.64-4 that
caused the problem, but i guess not...
any clues or ideas are appreciated and thanks in advance!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rob O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Hint on running X on S3 card?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:27:44 -0600
I had a similar problem with an S3V - and I found the "obsolete" server
*much* better - I got better 32/24 bpp support (colors were messed up with
Xlib using the SVGA server) and more robust -
now when I hit ctl-alt-del I go right back out, whereas before I used to
hang...
so I'd say try the old Virge server...
let me know how you get on 8-)
Rob
bill davidsen wrote:
> I just picked up a PCI video card, called a _VIDEO 61 3D_ board, with an
> S3 Virge/GX and 4MB RAM. I've never had any problems running and S3 chip
> before, but this one gives a block cursor about an inch across, and
> after I kill X it leaves the card in some odd state from which a reboot
> is needed.
>
> SuperProbe confirms the card is what it claims, and the card database
> suggests using the SVGA server. There is an old Virge server, but it's
> clearly marked as obsolete, so I kind of stayed away from it.
>
> Any thoughts on this card?
>
> [ note: follows directed out of cos.hardware, add back if you think on
> topic ]
> --
> bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
> Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be
> changed regularly and for the same reason.
> --Ted Symons(?)
--
Rob O'Connell - "Work is the curse of the drinking class" - Oscar Wilde
lab#: (608) 2659467 mob#: (608) 3473838 home#: (608) 2519918
Work address: Plasma Physics, 1150 University Ave., Madison WI 53706
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aida.physics.wisc.edu/~oconnell
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From: Rob O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: changing my HD
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:22:25 -0600
there are loads of ways to do this - I'm going to pick the easiest here - since
I assume your new diskwill be a lot bigger - just install it (and make it hda,
or sda if scsi) then mount your old one (now hdb) - say if using RedHat to
install, make new dirs on the hda, then mount the hdb on /mnt/oldhome,
/mnt/oldusrlocal etc etc - make sure you don't format hdb in any way! and make
sure hdb is indeed your old disk! - and copy over the /home and /usr/local and
update whatever files are in /etc
one advantage is since you don't overwrite anything other than the new disk, the
risk of losing data is low (though important stuff should be backed up)
I suggest making a separate /usr/local /home and / so upgrades are easier in
future
sorry if unclear - takes ages to type what seems to easy to describe!
email me privately if you want more help...
Rob
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here is my problem:
> I have a HD that is TOTALLY full. Then I am going to acquire a new HD, but I
> want to transfert everything on the new HD and being able to boot on that one
> (and get rid of the old one:330Mb!). How do I do that? Thanks for your help.
>
> Edouard OYER
> How can you expect to govern a country that has 246 kinds of cheese?
--
Rob O'Connell - "Work is the curse of the drinking class" - Oscar Wilde
lab#: (608) 2659467 mob#: (608) 3473838 home#: (608) 2519918
Work address: Plasma Physics, 1150 University Ave., Madison WI 53706
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aida.physics.wisc.edu/~oconnell
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