Linux-Misc Digest #199, Volume #19 Sat, 27 Feb 99 02:13:12 EST
Contents:
CRON problem (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)
Re: set textmode (Radovan Garabik)
Re: Stop this bogosity, damnit! Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Alexander Viro)
Re: PPP for network connection?? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Gregory L. Hansen)
Re: Booting without a keyboard (Steve Gage)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (NF Stevens)
mouse problem (Jatin Kamat)
nfs problem (Peter Earle)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Win 98 not to loose the docs. but want Dual boot w/ linux (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Mysterious CPU load. (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Anti-Virus for Linux (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Scary, no? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: enlightenment (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Linux g++ (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)
Subject: CRON problem
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:05:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK this is simple to explain difficult to diagnose.
I am logged in as root, and have schedualed cron
jobs ( one a simple mail command ) using crontab -e.
They jobs simply don't run. Any idea why not?
PS I'm using RedHat 5.2 with no major changes
to the installation.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Radovan Garabik)
Subject: Re: set textmode
Date: 25 Feb 1999 19:53:04 GMT
Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: hi!
:
: How do I set the textmode in linux?
:
: in dos: mode co80
: in os2: mode 25,80
:
: assembly (dos):
: mov ax,3
: int 10h
:
: im sure there is an easy way in linux too. cannot find it in the howto's
: and faq's.
:
SVGATextMode 80x25
you need to have the SVGATextMode utility installed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Stop this bogosity, damnit! Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 27 Feb 1999 01:14:05 -0500
In article <7b7n0g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7b6q5k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro) writes:
>> <flame>
>> So get a non-sucking newsreader. rn had this property. trn, slrn -
>>
>I am using knews, which has been recommended to me.
And you can't fix the sucking code you are using... why? John, I can't believe
that you are clueless. Sorry, it just doesn't sound right. You had been here
for *long*. Dunno about you, but when I see bug/general suckitude in *anything*
I'm using I *go* *and* *fix* *it*. IMHO it's the more or less the same as being
pot-trained.
>> If you had spent a frigging two weeks posting this BS into technical groups
>> and didn't bother to check *where* are you posting to - excuse me when I
>> question your mental abilities. Sorry, I don't believe it. You *should* know
>> better. If you *really* didn't - maybe you'ld better stick with AOL or WebTV.
>> Obcomp.os.linux.advocacy: WTF are you doing in that gutter?
>> </flame>
>
>Your flame wasn't appropriate, and yes, I was posting from the
>advocacy groups most of the time (AFAIK.) Please don't flame when
>you don't need to. Just because I think that GPL sucks, doesn't mean
>anything personal. If you cannot seperate the two, then it isn't
>my problem.
John, I don't give a damn about your personal attitude towards GPL,
BSD license, whatever - I *can* RTFLicense myself and I can decide what to
use *myself*. Again, your crusade against GPL being your crusade (i.e. none
of my business). But this thread grew above the 300 postings and about half
of them are yours. I don't care about advocacy groups, but take the frigging
care to spare technical ones from that kind of drivel.
>First to flame on this thread? When will it ever end :-(.
Pot. Kettle. Black. John, if you *really* didn't look where you were posting to
please, RTFRFC(1855) and RTFFAQs(news.answers). And fix your newsreader.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: PPP for network connection??
Date: 27 Feb 1999 06:25:28 GMT
In <7b6np1$1cp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Craig Shields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I am trying to get connected to the internet and do email through my network
>connection at work and I can't seem to "see" anything beyond my LAN. I can
How are you connecting to the web? A ppp connection or an ethernet
connection?
>ping any machine on the LAN, but can't get mail or PPP internet
>access to work. I am yet another immigrant to Linux from Win95/98/NT and
>must be
>missing something. Could someone PLEASE help me translate my TCP/IP
You seem to be missing the resolver
look in /etc/resolv.conf
make sure a line
nameserver 111.222.333.444
(with obviously uour DNS address there)
Then check
route -n
to see which machine your default points to
(starts with 0.0.0.0 and ends with ppp0)
an you ping IP addresses off your net (eg 137.82.43.53?)
If not it is routing problems. If so it is DNS problems.
Also make sure that
/etc/host.conf
had
order hosts,bind
in it
>settings in Win98 to Linux?? (i.e., IP, DNS, Gateway, WINS) I've read
>many FAQ's and just seem to be missing something.
>thanks,
>Craig Shields
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory L. Hansen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 21:23:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But the madness doesn't stop there, as the GPL forces this to be a
> two way street. See something you like under GPL? Sorry, you'll
> have to rewrite it from scratch if you actually want to use it.
>
> BSD encourages reuse. GPL encourages rewrite.
>
> Because of this, GPL is only usable for home toy projects. Outside
> that realm it breaks down quickly
Then GPL software must not have anything to offer you in the first place,
and it should die a natural death. So why would you care, and what's to
complain about?
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Booting without a keyboard
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:23:20 +0000
Robert Heller wrote:
> Not if you use 10Base2 (coax). Yes, coax has various problems, not the
> least of which is the 'Christmas Tree light Problem' (you lose the
> whole 'net when one cable segment fails or someone pops apart a tee)
> and 'shared' bandwidth issues. However, for a *small* lightly used
> 'home' network, coax is cheap and simple -- bandwidth issues are not
> generally a problem and with some care, you can prevent cable and tee
> problems. Needs no $100 hub. You do need NIC's with BNC's or
> transceiver connectors (such as 3Com 3C509C 'combo' NICs).
I find that 10BaseT is much easier and more reliable, and if we're
talking about a hypothetical small, lightly used 'home' network,
perfectly good 5-port hubs can be had for under $50.
- Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:15:32 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) wrote:
>In article <7avfft$dao8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bill davidsen) writes:
>> In article <7aph2j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>* READ MY LIPS: I am pro-marketeer and pro-developer, GPL is
>pro-marketeer, and anti developer. Now, read on:
>
When George Bush first said this it turned out to be a lie. This
may or may not be significant.
The person you are missing in all this is the end user. That is
the purpose of the GPL. Software which is free (and continues
to be free) to the end user. In this sense BSD licensed software
is only ersatz-free because it says, yes the software is free now,
but once your locked into it don't be surprised to find yourself
having to pay for upgrades and bug fixes.
If you want to give code away to other developers use the BSD
license; if you want to give code to the users the use the GPL.
Norman
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From: Jatin Kamat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mouse problem
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:28:49 -0500
Hi
I have installed redhat5.2 on my home pc. I have a mitsumi scroll mouse
PS/2. In my mouseconfig setup, this mouse is not listed. So, I have
selected "generic 3 button mouse" and checked "emulate 3 buttons". It
works, but has one problem. I cannot use my mouse to paste text. I have
tried all the feasible options for pasting -> clicking the scroll,
clicking the right button and clicking the left & right simultaneously.
Just doesn't work.....
(As crazy as it may sound, I have also tried selecting all the other
mouse options under mouseconfig, just in case....)
For now, I'm using shift+insert to paste text. But its a pain.
another problem:
I cannot use shift + insert to paste text from any of the xterm windows
to netscape window (for eg: email composer). This is a major pain.
any ideas?
Thanks
Jatin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Earle)
Subject: nfs problem
Date: 25 Feb 1999 21:07:27 GMT
I am having a problem with nfs. Everything seems configurerd fine.
rpc.nfsd and rpc.mountd are running, and are loading after portmapper. I
have the line in hosts.allow "nfs: ALL". Yet everytime I try to mount an
nfs directory I get the message 'mount: whatever_directory failed, reason
given by server: Permission denied'
This happens even if I'm running as root as try to mount something on
localhost.
One anomaly is that "cat /proc/filesystems" isn't listing "nodev nfs".
Nfs is in the /etc/services file and the Run Level manager says that it
can start it without a problem.
Would appreciate any assistance. Thanks
Peter Earle
.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:09:56 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:43:17 -0800...
..and Ryan Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> iratheous wrote:
>
> > > This fun to reply to. Maybe we dont have all those speacialized graphics
> > >clogging up our memory, but when my software crash's, it the software. not
> > >need to reboot whole system. If you want my 234 reasons why linux is better
> > >than Winblows 98 just ask.
> >
> > How about 10 honest reasons why you think windows98 is better than linux?
> > That would be interesting to hear from a windows hater >:)
>
> OK. I think there are more and better resons that Linux is better, but here it
> goes: (This hurts)
>
>
> 1. Better GUI
Hmph. Depends on how you define a GUI and what kind of GUI you are
using on Linux.
> 2. More software
Certainly.
> 3. More Hardware support
Yes, but oh so crappy drivers...
> 4. Better gaming platform
> (shudder)
Not for long anymore <snicker GGI snicker PenguinPlay snicker lots of
ports laugh laugh snicker>
> 5. More consistency (see my previous post)
Hmph.
> 6. One word: Microkernel
Can mean a performance penalty.
> 7. No mounting
This is a disadvantage as it easily can mess up removable media and it
means a huge file system throughput penalty.
> 8. Better file locking
I don't know jack about this one.
> 9. More multithreaded apps
Yes, perhaps, but Linux applications are increasingly based on
multithreaded support libraries, too.
> 10. Better user support
No.
mawa
--
"Life: it's been hit or miss since I lost the manual."
-- Michael Bonnell
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 98 not to loose the docs. but want Dual boot w/ linux
Date: 27 Feb 1999 06:35:56 GMT
Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The main problem is I don't want to loose any of the docs and programs on
: disc by formatting it. Is there any way that I can partition my HD and load
: linux on 3gb of my HD and still have all the previous files on Win'98.
: If so please give me the complete details of the procedure .
Get Paritition Magic 4
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Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mysterious CPU load.
Date: 27 Feb 1999 06:37:27 GMT
Daniel Sladic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I recently upgraded my system to a K6-2 350 based board and
: noticed the following very strange problem. If I leave my system
: alone, the CPU load will jump to 30%. Over the next 5 to 10 minutes
: it will slowly drop to near 0% and then jump back to 30%. Using
: top the two processes that are doing this are the X server (Mach64)
: and Windowmaker.
Probably have a cron job doing something, or some other sleeping
process wakes to do something.
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus for Linux
Date: 27 Feb 1999 06:38:30 GMT
Brian Donovan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi, I was wondering if there is any anti-viral utilities available for
: linux. I'm at college with ethernet and like the biological type computer
: viruses tend to pass rather quick. Thanks for your help,
The only way a virus can attack your computer is if you run it as
root. So limit your uses as root.
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Scary, no?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:01:58 GMT
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:26:28 -0500, "Robert H. Thompson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This letter says a lot about the state of Linux as an OS. Much like the
>writer I don't consider myself computer illiterate nor a novice to
>programming. I have 16+ years experience in Data Processing and have
>involved with computers one way or another since the Apple came out
>while I was in high school in the late seventies.
>
>Face it folks for the average Joe Blow out there who is not going to
>spend a lot of time tweaking this and that and just wants a system up
>and running so he can do some word processing and answer some email.
>Linux is not quite there yet. Before you flame me I must say that I am
>impressed with the operating system and run Linux at home and love
>having an 'Open Source' system. I can tweak it to my hearts content. But
>as far as letting my wife or my daughter loose on my Linux box. Let's
>just say Winbloze 95 does have some GUI interface advantages.
>
>1) Linux needs a drag and drop GUI for the average Windows user to
> convert to Linux. I've played around with several and the are getting
> there but i think 'prime time' Linux GUI is at 18 to 24 months out.
KDE...Wife loves it. Drag and drop supported...Corel Wp 8 fits right
in. KDE comes with a news client, e-mail client, the file manager
doubles as a non-java supported web brouser ( but netscape for me)
>2) Support - Need I say more? These newsgroups are a wealth of
> information. But you've got to search it out.
agreed
>3) Documentation - Man pages are fine but some organized PDF files or
> searchable HTML would really do the trick and cut down on wasted
> time.
woven goods comes with red-hat which is HTML documentation but needs
alot of improvement.
>
>4) Installation and configuration. You really have to do a lot of up
> front research before attempting a Linux installation. I'm a Red Hat
> user and can only speak from that point of view. But I know I spent
> at least a month cruising the newsgroups and talking with folks in
> of the user groups in my area before I even bought the RedHat CD. I
> still invested a lot of time after even doing that. I personally
> don't have a problem with that. I like computers. But do you think
> the average executive who knows nothing about Linux and comes from
> a Windows point of view is going to invest that kind of time?
nope...Just order your pre-configured linux computer from me :-)
but your right.
>5) Which brings me to my last point. It is very good that the technical
> folks like most who read these news groups are able to get things
> with a little investment in time and possibly a little cash. But to
> capture the marketshare and mentality you gotta capture the hearts
> and minds of the folks who are a little less technically inclined.
not to mention the need for more software support (GAMES!!! Give me
GAMES!!!)
end the end, Linux is about 50% there. We do have a gui (X) and a
desktop capible of makeing it easier (KDE or GNOME) but not installed
by default. That and the more common (redhat) uses the incomplete
GNOME instead of the stable KDE 1.0. I'll probable get flamed for
this because KDE is a little on the large side. And we now have
business applications. (limited but there..) but this only convers
about 25% of potential market.
There does need to be a hardware autodetect feature thought to help in
the setup and redhat is makeing the most progress in implementing
this. ( the kernel developers and XFree org are doing all the work)
and the need for computer manufactures support in NEW hardware needs
to happen. (DVD, AGP video, etc)
It has come a long was but still, the is a way to go.
<snip>
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: enlightenment
Date: 27 Feb 1999 06:40:51 GMT
Nick Warrington <nick@(NOSPAM_TA_VERY_MUCH)majikman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: I am trying to compile the glib library on a newley installed Linux System.
: It will not compile because make complains about a missing header file
: dlfnc.h. The error goes something like '
Make sure you have all the development packages installed from your
distribution.
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux g++
Date: 27 Feb 1999 06:45:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I recently installed Linux and when I compile code with g++, it creates an
: exe in my current directory just like it should, but when I type in the name
: of that exe to run it, it says that it cannot find *x* command. Is this
: because I need to change my PATH variable in my login file? Is it looking in
: the wrong place? Thanks for any and all help.
Your path usually does not contain . in it. This is for a security
reason. Root for example definately should not have . in their path.
export PATH=${PATH}:. #sh, bash, ksh
setenv PATH ${PATH}:. #csh, tcsh
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 27 Feb 1999 06:38:24 GMT
It detects hard disks, and your video card. However, you have to "help"
it some with the SCSI, Zip Drives, and sound. Some mice are detected,
however, it seems that not all serial/ps2 devices are found. This is
only because Red Hat 5.0 doesn't support PnP (and neither does 5.1 or
5.2-- however, kernel 2.2.2 has PnP support built-in, I think). Also,
Red Hat 5.x doesn't "actively" probe like Win9x does when it is installed.
I think that the Linux installation processes _could_ add this feature,
however, it would be awfully hard to do. Debian implements (well, sort
of) this type of thing, when it loads modules and finds what will load
and what doesn't. It tells the modules to probe everything.
It catches my SCSI... but support for my SCSI was real shitty in Kernel
2.0.33... it wasn't until 2.2.0 or 2.2.1 that I could get my SCSI to
work (it's a Zip accelerator card using the AHA152x driver). Kernels
2.0.33-2.0.36 (except 2.0.35, which I didn't try) threw an oops when I
loaded the SCSI.
Anyway... it'd be nice if an active hardware probe would be set when you
install Linux. At least, I think it would. Especially with all of the
"newbies" that are turning to Linux to try it out.
But if that type of support is added-- it's important to _ONLY_ allow that
in the install process, I think-- it's important to preserve stability and
relability in the OS. If the detection feature were to take this away---
well, then, I don't want it. I want an operating system that I can depend
on, and as it is, Linux would be it.
Sorry for my rambling on and on.
- Mike
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:07:54 -0600, Jon Wiest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Redhat 5.0 detects all my hardware.
>
>
>What??? Do you *have* any hardware to detect? Oh sure, it get the hard
>drives right. It did nicely detect my ATI Rage2, which I appreciate. But
>not my Wacom pad, my modem, my sound card, my IDE Zip, my Voodoo2.
>
>Jon
>
>
>
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