Linux-Misc Digest #199, Volume #26 Tue, 31 Oct 00 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: CD player apps constantly scanning device ("pl")
Re: Kernel upgrade broke kernel compilation ("David ..")
Re: RX MODE (Jonathan)
Re: Corporate email help ("MNJP")
Re: Netscape sucks: alternatives? (Christopher Browne)
Re: How to use the floppy drive in Linux (Christopher Browne)
Re: daylight savings. (Christopher Browne)
Re: Microsoft vs Sony (Christopher Browne)
Re: SU Problem...Any ideas? ("Paolo Panizza")
News Reader (Philip)
Re: redhat: Out of Range (Jerry L Kreps)
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From: "pl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD player apps constantly scanning device
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:12:32 GMT
> if i add cd player applet to gnome panel, or simply start the CD player
> program, a dmesg will show continous scanning of the disk if no media has yet
> been inserted.
>
> This means i can't really use cd player applet, if i want to utlize dmesg at
> all. It fills up with redundant info at an alarming rate, a zillion of lines
> all looking like this:
>
> VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0)
>
> Any idea why this agressive scanning is going on, and not least why it mess
> up logs? Shuldn't those apps stop polling the device once they've realized an
> audio CD is NOT present? And then leave it up to me - to click on something
> there - to scan again to see if anything has changed?
>
> Or is there some new gnome autoplay feature with a hickup somewhere?
>
> The CD player is fairly new, a Plexwriter 12/10/32A. Everything works as it
> should, modules load OK, no errors reported. Reading, writing and playing
> CD's all work fine. Also: If i DO insert an audio-CD in the player, the
> scanning and thus the "disk change" message immediately stops.
>
> I believe this output in dmesg started first after i upgraded to the latest
> gnome-stuff from helixcode. Running RH6.2 + all relevant upgrades.
>
> K.
you should be able to disable it from the gnome control-center (something like
peripherals/cd).
I don't know how to just stop the logging in the case that you wanted to keep
autoplay, though.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade broke kernel compilation
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:11:54 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Originally I had RedHat 6.2, which is of kernel 2.2.14.-5.0. I was
> adviced to upgrade kernel 2.2.16 to avoid some security holes. I
> download rpms for kernel 2.2.16-3 along with source and include
> packages from a mirror site. The installation went well except the rpm
> for source( include? I do not remember exactly source or inlucde
> package caused this problme) complained that it could not rmove
> directory /usr/src/linux-2.2.14.
>
> I downloaded FreeSwan 1.6, a VPN package and tried to complied it into
> kernel. Strange thing is that I have to modified several makefiles in
> freeswan source directory and even makefile in /usr/src/linux (linked
> to /usr/src/linux-2.2.16-3) to add -I/usr/src/linux/include, since it
> complained not find some header files, such as
>
> #include <linux/limits.h>
>
cd /usr/include
rm -rf asm linux scsi
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386 asm
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/scsi scsi
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ID # 123538
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From: Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RX MODE
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:06:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Oliver Moser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 31 Oct 2000 13:34:02 GMT, "Paolo Panizza"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >seems you setup eth0 for 2 addresses, though some more infos on
_your_
> >specific eth0 config would help a bit...
> >
> >Oliver Moser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>
> >> Oct 30 20:31:47 scenic kernel: eth0: Setting Rx mode to 2 addresses
>
> Ok.
> I've got SuSE 7.0 and my NIC is a 3Com 509b
> and actually, i get
> Oct 30 20:31:47 scenic kernel: eth0: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses
> Oct 30 20:31:47 scenic kernel: eth0: Setting Rx mode to 2 addresses
> Oct 30 20:31:47 scenic kernel: eth0: Setting Rx mode to 3 addresses
> Oct 30 20:31:47 scenic kernel: eth0: Setting Rx mode to 4 addresses
> Oct 30 20:31:47 scenic kernel: eth0: Setting Rx mode to 5 addresses
>
> i'd really appreciate if you could help me
> thx in advance
> olzn
>
Check out this post:
http://x56.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=677178213&CONTEXT=973039784.1090977798&hitnum=15
I don't know of a way to specify the media type in Linux, so I think
they mean the DOS config utility needs to be used to specify the media
type for the card?!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "MNJP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Corporate email help
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:21:18 GMT
Just gave it a quick search @ Altavista.. try:
ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/cucipop/
"Diehard Duck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39fffb7a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hm - Gnupop3d was all I've ever known...where can I get cucipop?
>
> "MNJP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:RTqL5.411149$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > If you really want performance check out cucipop. It has blown away
every
> > single popper I've tried :)
> >
> > "Marcel Loesberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Diehard Duck wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm not an advanced user but I think a basic machine such as a
> standard
> > > > pentium with decent memory would do the job. You would need to run
> > > > sendmail/exim/equivalent and a pop3 daemon such as GnuPop3d. Then
> just
> > set
> > > > up each user and get DNS pointed to your IP of the server and away
you
> > go.
> > >
> > > Only I would use qpopper in stead of GnuPOP3D.
> > > GnuPOP3D has some serious performance issues.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Marcel
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Russ
> > > >
> > > > "Phil Labonte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:XnhL5.19767$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I work for a small company of approx 70 employees, we plan to grow
> to
> > > > about
> > > > > 200 in the next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of linux solutions are there for email? We want to host
> our
> > own
> > > > > email internally, right now we use our isp.
> > > > >
> > > > > I checked and for Microsoft Exchange it would cost us about 10000$
> in
> > > > > licenses and hardware. What are some Linux solutions that would
> work
> > with
> > > > > our small company?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil Labonte
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Netscape sucks: alternatives?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:28:08 GMT
In our last episode (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:24:26 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Ilya said:
>I have 128MB of RAM and 256MB of swap, typically run 4-5 Netscape
>sessions and eventually get Netscape to swap like crazy, often
>freezing and crashing my workstation. Even if I kill all Netscape
>processes and rm all cache files, I still need a reboot to clear
>things up. It can easily bring system load up to 2 or 3 and keep going,
>reboots usually fix it.
Sounds to me like you've got something Rather More Wrong going on.
Rebooting should absolutely NOT be necessary; not in the slightest.
If your machine is outright freezing and crashing, then it is highly
likely that the system is suffering from hardware problems, probably
relating to having bad RAM.
>It is the worst piece of software on my machine. Memory management is
>terrible. It is true that Linux is stable, but a lot of stuff on it
>is not and frequently core dumps -- for instance linuxconf which core
>dumps almost every time I use it.
Linux can't be held responsible for you running a Really Badly
Prepared version of linuxconf; I would urge that you verify that you
have the latest version that has been prepared for your distribution.
You might want to compile it from source code; if you're using an
RPM-based distribution, the preferable methodology would be to get the
source RPM and compile that. If it continues to core dump, then this
suggests either that:
a) It's buggy, in which case you might want to stop using it in
favor of something like WebMin,
b) Your tool chain is of questionable integrity, in which case you
might find you need to install distribution from scratch, or
c) Your hardware is of questionable integrity, with RAM as the most
likely candidate for dubiousness.
>Netscape solutions might include upgrading the version, or
>downgrading, or getting something else. The last time I checked,
>there was no Internet Explorer for Linux.
Microsoft did a port of IE to HP/UX and Solaris; you don't have
_nearly_ enough memory to run it; users of it found that it needed
more than 128MB to run "as happily as it could," and it was really not
happy anyways.
It sounds a fair bit like you've got bad RAM on your system.
Secondary issue perhaps being that the libraries may be of
questionable integrity.
What distribution are you using? Have you customized it heavily? Are
you running a highly experimental release without being sufficiently
knowledgeable about kernel and libraries to cope with the attendant
risks?
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I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that.
Why don't you lie down and take a stress pill?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: How to use the floppy drive in Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:28:42 GMT
In our last episode (31 Oct 2000 13:22:03 -0500),
the artist formerly known as Johan Kullstam said:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> I'm new in Linux world; I need to know how to use the floppy drive.How
>> do I copy files from hard drive to floppy and how from floppy to hard
>> drive. What commands should I use?
>
><ginsu-announcer-voice>
>in linux, the floppy can be used like a tape!
></ginsu-announcer-voice>
>
>i use tar.
>
>tar cvf /dev/fd0 files...
>tar tvf /dev/fd0
>tar xvf /dev/fd0
The last time I used my floppy (which was, surprisingly, last week), I
used cpio to pull the data off of it.
<ginsu>
It slices, it dices...
</ginsu>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: daylight savings.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:28:53 GMT
In our last episode (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:45:11 +0600),
the artist formerly known as Randall Holobaugh said:
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:34:05 -0500, Samuel Irlapati
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Is there a way to change the time automatically for daylight savings for
>> >Linux?
>
>I logged in as root and changed the time using linuxconf.
[Grumble] Unfortunately, that represents No Answer At All. You're
indicating Absolutely Nothing about what configuration was changed to
indicate the change of timezone information.
More critically, the way of thinking here is quite wrong-headed.
_Linux_ stores time in UTC form, which means daylight savings time is
_completely irrelevant_ as far as Linux is concerned. It only knows
one "time zone," which is UTC.
Your _shell_ will then set a value, indicating your locale, to the
environment variable TZ, which is then used to control how the date is
to be displayed at your location.
All that Linuxconf should be doing is to manipulate a symbolic link
(location varies somewhat from distribution to distribution) to
indicate what timezone should be used by default.
If you change the value of TZ in your shell, this will do just as much.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Microsoft vs Sony
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:29:32 GMT
In our last episode (Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:04:27 -0000),
the artist formerly known as Robert Heller said:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> In a message on Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:41:26 GMT, wrote :
>p> Hmm... I just found that Sega DreamCast runs the Microsoft
>p> operating system. Can anyone verify that Sony's Playstation
>
>'Sega DreamCast runs the Microsoft' -- this mainly means that the has
>an x86 processor (i.e. '386, '486, Pentium, whatever).
Um, nope.
See details on the NetBSD port at:
<http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/sh3/>
Apparently the DreamCast uses one of the Hitachi "Super-H" family of
processors; this implies that if it is running a form of Windows, that
would be WinCE.
>p> runs linux? (at least the developers kit).
>Linux runs on all sorts of processors. Don't know what is in the
>Playstations, but the N64 uses the same chip as SGIs: the R4000.
>Linux runs on SGI hardware (R4000 and R10000 processors) and on the
>N64.
You are thinking of <http://www.heise.de/ix/artikel/E/1997/04/036/>?
It's October 2000; you might want to be aware that this was an April
Fool's joke in 1997.
And be aware as well that Linux runs on _some_ SGI/MIPS processors,
but not _all_. And the N64 has only a very small amount of RAM to
play with...
>p> Now we know that consoles are driven by hardware and games,
>p> not the operating system. If it was, then we already know that
>p> Playstation 1 beat Sega DreamCast.
>p>
>p> So this sort of indicates that Microsoft may lose this battle.
>p> They own the OS, but not the hardware, but hardware and pricing
>p> and marketing is what is needed to push game consoles, not the
>p> OS that it runs on. Microsoft doesn't compete in the hardware
>p> space, and we know Sony always wins in hardware (just visit your
>p> nearest electronics store and see which sells the most).
>p>
>p> And given that the PS2 marketing is pretty good so far (a lot
>p> of media attention about people wanting, but cannot get one),
>p> it looks PS2 beat XBox's marketing for now. People seem to
>p> be talking about picking up a PS2 for double price at ebay.com
>p> or something rather than buy a XBox. (can you imagine that?
>p> paying double the price, rather than wait. This seems to
>p> be a reversal of the attitude a few months ago when people were
>p> contemplating waiting another year for XBox, which isn't even
>p> priced yet).
>p>
>p> If this marketing movement continues until christmas, Sony
>p> will have another lock on the game console market, and I predict
>p> greater than 40% with all parties involved. Some are buying
>p> the PS2 as DVD players. (good DVD players cost the
>p> same as a PS2, and some even more).
>p>
>p> For some reason I feel Microsoft will stumble on this one like
>p> they did with Sega. They tried to extend into the market through
>p> Sega, lost to Sony, so Microsoft is trying at it alone this time
>p> with XBox. But when I looked at the developers, it seems not many
>p> are firmly commited except PC game developers.
>p>
>p> XBox may become a cheap PC clone and die out from
>p> competition of REAL PCs running faster Intel hardware with
>p> upgradable video cards, memory, etc. (It is basically a PC
>p> machine running PC games and a fast video card). Why buy
>p> a lower end version of a PC (XBox) when you can buy the latest
>p> ones running faster from any PC manufacturer?
>p>
>p> Is Microsoft trying to use PC platform to extend into
>p> the console gaming market? If this is the strategy, it might
>p> work. But the problem is that we are moving more and more towards
>p> simplicity and the computer is becoming like an appliance (a tv where
>p> you just push a button). For example, look at the palm computers,
>p> they don't have the whole keyboard, just a few buttons and a pen.
>p> Gaming wise, kids prefer to plug in something and play rather
>p> than install, uninstall, and deal with the launching of the program
>p> through an operating system. XBox might be dead from competition
>p> within (the REAL PC gaming market) before it can even compete with
>p> the console market. Maybe Nintendo realized this, and placed
>p> their introduction of their GameCube a month after Microsoft's
>p> launch... so people will wait and buy the Nintendo. If Nintendo
>p> does not believe it can beat Microsoft, it would not have done this,
>p> they would have launched a year later or six months before so they
>p> can get some sales and generate revenue. To release it at
>p> the same time means they have solid belief they are going to win.
>p> It seems Nintendo is on Sony's side on this one.
>
>Microsoft *would like* to move into the console gaming market and the
>appliance market. The problem for Microsoft (unless they seriously
>alter their business model in ways that are pretty much opposite to the
>current business model), is the Microsoft Windows is pretty much a
>single processor type system and requires lots of Microsoft involvement
>to port to other processor types (because you need Microsoft's complete
>cooperation and involvement to port to another processor type).
... Throw in some ambiguity as a result of the fact that WinCE runs on
StrongARM, SH-4, and MIPS ...
>Also the processor type in question is really bad for embedded type
>systems (which is what console gaming boxes and appliances
>are). Intel just does not make a x86 processor that works well in
>such an environment -- the PII and PIII chips need a motherboard with
>lots of support logic to be useful (which is fine for a general
>purpose computer system). For the console game makers and appliance
>makers, it is very cost effective to use some other microprocessor,
>one better suited to their applications (embedded type systems),
>processors like StrongArm, ColdFire, etc., for which Linux either
>already exists or can be *cheaply* ported -- just download a source
>tree from the web, download egcs, built a cross-compiler and there
>you are: total cost just some in-house programmer time. Since 90% of
>the Linux kernel is specificly written to be processor dependent, you
>only need to write a small piece code for processor-dependent context
>switching, VM hardware, and specific device drivers. *NO SERIOUS
>LICENSE DEAL NONSENSE WITH MICRO$OFT, WHO WILL WANT EITHER BIG BUCKS
>AND NDA PAPERS OR A CHUNK OF STOCK (== CONTROL, BREATHING DOWN YOUR
>NECK, ETC).* Also included in this mix is that some of these systems
>will have custom or stripped down BIOS ROM and more importantly, will
>want a highly stripped down O/S, with just the pieces needed for the
>application at hand. The console game boxes and appliance will have
>fixed I/O devices, so one does not need 30 different video drivers,
>etc.
... Most of which I'd tend to agree with, and which represents reasons
why:
a) Sony PlayStation doesn't run WinCE or Win9x,
b) Nintendo's machines don't run WinCE or Win9x,
c) The only really _successful_ PDAs, namely PalmComputing and
Psion/EPOC, don't run WinCE or Win9x, and
d) A whole bunch of vendors are working on Linux-based PDAs.
It is interesting that there is more interest in "Linux for PDAs" than
there is in "NetBSD for PDAs," when the latter would probably be
considered to have more favorable licensing arrangements...
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on the intuitiveness of commands, especially Emacs.)
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From: "Paolo Panizza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SU Problem...Any ideas?
Date: 1 Nov 2000 00:45:23 GMT
suauth man page may give a hint:
==============
NAME
suauth - Detailed su control file
The file /etc/suauth is referenced whenever the su command
is called. It can change the behaviour of the su command,
based upon
1) the user su is targetting
2) the user executing the su command (or any groups
he might be a member of)
============
can you check su on console? did you try to su to another user?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article <8tlep9$ql7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I'm not sure what changed.....
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From: Philip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: News Reader
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:58:00 GMT
I was wondering if someone could recommend a news reader for Linux. I am
looking for something which will allow me to archive postings. Lately
my news provider has cut back to only keeping a week or 2 weeks of
information and I've been losing some of the threads.
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: redhat: Out of Range
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:09:17 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lily Fu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am new to linux administration and I need urgent help!
>
> RedHat 6.2 was installed on a machine as 'server' type.
> Today, I tried to upgrade it by adding X-Window
> packages. After chose 'upgrade' and selected
> the XFree86 and other packages, (using the customerize option)
> it went ok, but it said 'mouse' couldn't be found.
>
> So, I went to 'upgrade' procedure again,
> this time, I though I didn't need to install any packages,
> I clicked 'upgrade' and 'custoerize' but didn't
> check any packages. Strange enough, the system
> went to update all 214 packages from CD-ROM
>
> Then, it rebooted, but gave me the following error:
>
> "OUT OF RANGE
> Hz: 30kHz - 130 kHz
> Vz: 50Hz - 160Hz
>
> CURRENT FREQUENCY
> Hz: 27.8kHz Vz: 62Hz"
>
> What does this mean?
>
> I need to get the system back as soon as possible,
> please help!
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Lily
That means it deselected your monitor. You will have to run XF86config, or
sox, or what every RH uses, to again configure your monitor.
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