Linux-Misc Digest #270, Volume #19 Tue, 2 Mar 99 20:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (david parsons)
Re: More bad news for NT ("Jim Ross")
Memory Monitoring ("Paul Davies")
Re: A pat on the shoulders for my ISP ("Jeraimee")
Re: How to install kernel 2.2 under RH 5.2 (xcitor)
Re: Backup software (xcitor)
Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments? (Vincent Fox)
Re: More bad news for NT ("Rufus V. Smith")
Open Email Relay Redhat 4.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Help Working under w95 but not under RH 5.2 Linux (Rajat & Papia Goon)
KDE and KOffice (rhino)
Re: Ls command (Ed Allen)
Re: Public license question (John Hasler)
Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Open Email Relay Redhat 4.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Craig Brozefsky)
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 2 Mar 1999 14:55:06 -0800
Why, thank you for sending me a stupid "courtesy copy" of your
post without even bothering to tell me that it was a stupid
courtesy copy.
In article <7bhj5d$2itv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andreas Klemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7b2u3k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons) writes:
>> In article <7b2j7t$b7c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Sam E. Trenholme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>This is not a flame, but a simple question.
>>>Why do you think more people talk about Linux than FreeBSD?
>>
>> Because AT&T didn't attempt to sue Linus Torvalds for copyright
>> violations.
>
>And because people are clueless as usual ...
>
>No the two true points are:
>
>a) At the beginning BSD was to huge for people to install and installation
> was not comfortable enough for newbees
Nonsense. Linux did not sprint fully formed out of Linus Torvald's
head, with easy to use installers and everything. The early Linuxes
were a pain in the ass to install.
If you were programming at that time, you'd have seen many many
operating systems fall off the edge of the roof in the late-80s to
early-90s timeline. The AT&T lawsuit meant that BSD was at risk
of being one of those systems, and I, for one, didn't wish to start
using an operating system that was under risk of vanishing off the
face of the earth.
By the time Novell deep-sixed that stupid lawsuit, Linux was a long
ways ahead of any of the BSD varients and accellerating.
____
david parsons \bi/ I will cheerfully throttle people who send me stealth
\/ 'courtesy copies' of their contentless usenet posts.
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:06:50 -0500
A Lurker wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Jim Ross wrote:
>> >Sounds Like something is crashing your X-Server, not Linux.
>>
>> No it's more like a hang. And since ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't response then
>> basically my entire Linux system is hung.
>
>Hmm thats worse than I've encountered then. I have had X hang several
>times, and the annoying thing about it is precisely that it did NOT
>disturb my webserver, my dialing users, anyone who was telnetted in
>to the shell at the time, in short, all my users except myself were
>having no trouble other than my tempation to resort to drastic measures
>such as the reset switch.
>
>Can you be more specific as to which services other than X were
>affected?
I can't tell. The system no longer responds when this happen.
Was email no longer being delivered? Webpages no longer
>being served?
I should have mentioned this is a stand-alone desktop machine.
Dialup users no longer able to reach the net? People
>using the shell hung along with you? Etc. If so what I've seen and
>what you've seen are not the same mode of failure afterall despite
>their sounding superficially similar.
It's a Redhat 5.1 desktop machine. I login and startx.
I click the options on Control Center in KDE, this happen one other time
with a graphics program too. The hard drive starts cranking hard, the
screen doesn't change, the mouse cursor when I move it moves very slow then
stops. The system appears hung and the drive activity doesn't stop. After
1 minute I hit reset. I do use a kernel of 2.2.1 that I compiled myself,
under which this occurs. I haven't done any upgrades as recommended,
although I don't think I use most/any of those programs. The list is here
http://www.linuxhq.com/change21.html
I'm not sure the kernel is the problem but I haven't checked that. I also
guess that I might have a bad memory leak, which I haven't investigated. I
does seem like other things might hang my system like this but so far I
think but programs were QT based, although I'm not sure that's the problem
either.
Jim
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From: "Paul Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Memory Monitoring
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:02:15 -0000
Are there any graphical tools to monitor memory usage on Linux in realtime?
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From: "Jeraimee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A pat on the shoulders for my ISP
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:16:51 -0500
an ISP here in CT NetPlex www.ntplx.net seems ready to take on any OS...
They even gave me access to some things through my cablemodem that I
normally wouldn't have had access to...
Jeraimee
Karsten M. Self wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hugh wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to all who helped me with ppp. Someone suggested I contact my ISP
>> about connecting with a Linux machine. I e-mailed them and received a
reply
>> within a day with a link to their ftp site with file to run that
configures
>> ppp. My ISP is PDQ.net. I must say that the Linux community is a very
>> helpful one.
>
>My experience is that most ISPs won't "support" their Linux POP
>customers directly, but they usually provide instructions on configuring
>PPP for Linux under their particular system.
>
>This is often critical to getting PPP up and working. Netccm, for
>example, requires a '#' prior to the userid in making a PPP connection.
>Try figuring _that_ out on your own....
>
>--
>Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
> What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
> Welchen Teil von "Gestalt" verstehen Sie nicht?
>
>web: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
>SAS/Linux: http://www.netcom.com/~kmself/SAS/SAS4Linux.html
>
> 1:21pm up 13 days, 49 min, 8 users, load average: 0.82, 0.46, 0.25
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xcitor)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to install kernel 2.2 under RH 5.2
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:17:13 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:35:22 -0800,
Sean wrote
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>How do i go about installing the kernel update in RH 5.2? Please email
>email me. Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/kernel-2.2/kernel2.2-upgrade.html
should getchya started.
--
Never laugh at live dragons.
-- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit"]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xcitor)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Backup software
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:22:27 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 05:27:42 GMT,
Rick Knight wrote
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Can anyone recommend a backup/restore program for Linux (RH 5.2) and
>X? I have a Seagate STT28000n SCSI Travan tape drive GUI based program
>to use with it. I've tried Knox's ARKEIA but it seems to buggy and the
>backup utility that comes with KDE doesn't support my drive.
The three most popular backup programs in use today are dump, tar,
cpio, not necessarily in that order. I use dump/restore.
--
Never laugh at live dragons.
-- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit"]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vincent Fox)
Subject: Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments?
Date: 2 Mar 1999 11:03:41 -0500
In <7bfu2l$6b7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Jason Naguit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
[]2) Are there any other office suites to run on Linux and how do they
[]compare
[]with StarOffice?
Hey I interested in this as well. I'd like to get my girlfriend
switched from Win98 to Linux but find I cannot. Much as I criticize
MSOffice for it's bloat, it does have features I find it difficult
to replace, that she uses. Take for example the equation editor.
She is a Phd in AE, and thus uses lots of equations in papers.
The equation editor in StarOffice is *terrible*. This seems to
be the case with several office suites for Linux I've tried. They
are good enough for writing letters or maybe a simple term paper,
but lack the features to handle complicated document needs.
>You should be able too. I've seen this under 5.0 Personal Edition
>You know you can just download a free non-commercial use copy of StarOffice
>from the StarDivision website.
I tried StarOffice, and found it weird. It's like a personal
copy you install for your account. So if I install it as root, then
root can run it but none of the other accounts can. Maybe I'm doing
something wrong, but "soffice" from any other account comes up with
errors about not being able to write files.
I tried WordPerfect8, which looks nice, but try to bring up equation
editor and it pops up with a crippleware box to let you know you
gotta pay to use that feature. Damn, can't even see if it's any good.
I'll check out Applix, which someone else mentioned.
--
"Who needs horror movies when we have Microsoft"?
-- Christine Comaford, PC Week, 27/9/95
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From: "Rufus V. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:17:19 -0500
Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Bogus wrote:
>>
>> In my day, we didn't even have binary. We just had one's. You can
>> imagine how difficult this was trying to write code on the cave walls
>> by firelight.
>>
>> On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 03:45:41 -0500, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Not me. I started with JCL. <
>> >
>> >I used to dream of JCL. Started with binary machine code. <
>
>I remember when we had to write code with our tongues! (remember that
>old Monty Python skit? :-)
Hey, Jerry! You picked right up on it! You must be in the advanced class!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Open Email Relay Redhat 4.2
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:24:45 GMT
HELP!!! I've been told that our Linux Redhat 4.2 server is acting as a
open email relay! A lot of people are getting spammed from our server
and we want it to stop! Can anyone tell me how to disable or turn it
off ?
THANKS!!!
Jerry Holmes
To reply via email - remove the nospam
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From: Rajat & Papia Goon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help Working under w95 but not under RH 5.2 Linux
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:56:22 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am using SMC PCI-NIC. In auto probing it finds it irq 11 and address
0xe800 hich matches
with win95. If I run ifup it's giving delaying eth0 initialization. I am
using smc9194 module. If
I use ifconfig then
SIOCSIFBRDADDR
eth0 : interface not found
I am desperately trying to make it work.
Initially it was giving at the booting time smc9194.o: init_module the
device is busy, delaying eth0 initialization.
But now it is not giving any messages like that but it is not loading
the module. But PCI is picking up the card
correctly. Can anyone help me out from this place.
note : my card is also ne2000 compatible. Shall I try to load ne2k-pci.o
module with IRQ 8 and base address
0xe800. I haven't try this option.
Thank you in advance,
--
Rajat Goon
E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rhino)
Subject: KDE and KOffice
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:33:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
Does anyone here use KDE and have KOffice installed? I am a Linux
newbie with KDE1.1-0.1 installed and running on my system. However,
I'm interested in installing KOffice, which is said to require (plus a
bunch of other stuff) the development version of KDE libs, which is
ver 1.1-3. My question is: can I just download the RPM for
kdelib.xxx.i386.rpm and rpm -Uvh that, or do I have to download the
whole collection of kde*****.i.386 (base, support, apps, etc) RPMs to
use KOffice?
Pls email if possible... thanks for any advice.
rhi
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Ls command
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:21:34 -0600
In article <7bdd3v$u46$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Severn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>About the colour "ls" command.
>
>I've got it on my system, but I like to use "ls -al" to list files, and so
>often the list is larger than the screen, and hence I have to pipe it to a
>pager. But, more and less seem to destroy the colours which ls puts in.
>Does anyone know of a way of allowing the colours to get through the pager,
>or a different pager which does work ?
>
Another poster mentioned '-r' argument to 'less'
Just to make it clear:
ls -alo | less -r
The '-o' option to 'ls' outputs color sequences
even to the pipe.
Ed Allen
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:14:06 GMT
Mark writes:
> Does anyone know of any legal precedents regarding the GPL? Perhaps what
> would help is if the GPL were clarified, and specific guidelines may be
> established. Keeping it ambiguous hurts us all.
A long list of companies including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, and Corel have
released proprietary software for Linux. Don't you think they that at
least some of them had their lawyers investigate the legal implications of
the kernel license?
--
John Hasler This posting is in the public domain.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will.
Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments?
Date: 2 Mar 1999 15:43:54 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst [EMAIL PROTECTED] eloquently
scribe:
: Hi all,
: 1) Is there any Linux distribution that ships StarOffice Personal edition
: office package with it?
Yes. I think SuSE 6.0 does.
: 2) Are there any other office suites to run on Linux and how do they compare
: with StarOffice?
Yes. Applixware.
As for comparison, there's sopmething about that in PCPLUS from a couple of
months back.
I've never used Applixware, and Staroffice was far too slow to be usefull om
my 8Meg 486.
: 3) Is it possible to read/import/export MS Word, Excel and Word Perfect files
: with StarOffice?
StarOffice is touted in the adverts as being Office 97 compatible.
Don't know about Wordperfect though.
--
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|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Open Email Relay Redhat 4.2
Date: 02 Mar 1999 12:43:43 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> HELP!!! I've been told that our Linux Redhat 4.2 server is acting as a
> open email relay! A lot of people are getting spammed from our server
> and we want it to stop! Can anyone tell me how to disable or turn it
> off ?
upgrade to the latest version of sendmail, it includes anti-relaying
rules. also note that redhat 5.2, while still shipping with not quite the
latest version, has the anti-relaying rules patched in.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.1 i586 | at public servers
> I'm an idiot.. At least this [bug] took about 5 minutes to find..
We need to find some new terms to describe the rest of us mere mortals
then.
(Craig Schlenter in response to Linus Torvalds's mailing about a kernel bug.)
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
From: Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:54:06 GMT
Stefan Skoglund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> the problem with ML and the other languages which you mentioned
> is that they are pretty hard to understand for someone who didn't
> learn functional programming from the beginning ie started to work
> with Basic,C or shudder C++.
They are not really that difficult to learn. www.haskell.org and
start reading. Also check out "ML For Working Programmers" from
L.C. Paulson which ships in 24 hrs at Amazon. The notation is
sometime unfamiliar, and the pattern matching and type system are
prossibly alien, but not any more difficult that lamo OO ontologies,
or memory management bullshit in the C/C++ et al.
> ML doesn't really allow side-effects does it ehhh??
ML does, for IO and such. Haskell and Miranda are "pure" functional
programming languages which do not have side effects (of if they do
they are hidden behind monads). This does not cover the real reason
to learn functional programming, or the advantages of functional
languages. They provide new ways to organize programs as a whole, and
new ways to breakdown systems into sub-problems and combine the
solutions for those sub-problems into a solution for the whole system
that is very flexible and easy to understand.
As for the OSs, people have put ML on hardware, and have built
webservers in ML from the packet driver up.
--
Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Less matter, more form! - Bruno Schulz
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