Linux-Misc Digest #273, Volume #19 Wed, 3 Mar 99 00:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Christopher Browne)
Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Public license question (Christopher Browne)
Re: The .pl- extension? (Chris Mahmood)
Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused] (Christopher Browne)
Re: Memory Monitoring ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Newbie - plz help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Sergio)
Re: Linux SLOWER than win95? (Anatol Quabach)
Re: Open Email Relay Redhat 4.2 (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused] (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Modem problem, help! (Bill Unruh)
Re: Win 98 not to loose the docs. but want Dual boot w/ linux (**Nick Brown)
Re: Newbie question: how to apply a .diff patch? (Sam E. Trenholme)
Whts wrong with my GTK??? (Luis Sousa)
Install of WordPerfect 8 ("John McNeil")
File trusty varied by cp in crontab ? (Y W Wong)
Re: Install hangs on "idle process cannot sleep" (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Craig Brozefsky)
Re: Printing Accounting (Alan Curry)
Re: Public license question (Nico Kadel-Garcia)
Re: Netscape goes to sleep (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments? ("D. Vrabel")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:04:19 GMT
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:43:54 +0100, Stefan Skoglund
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Darin Johnson wrote:
>>
>> For example, look at virtual memory management. In a macrokernel, all
>> the VM code is linked into the main kernel image. In a microkernel, the
>> executive kernel knows nothing about virtual memory, however, there is
>
>Mach implements the VM mechanism. User-level server threads
>implements the semantic part like memory-mapped files, controls
>shared memory access and so on. A database written with a clear view
>towards Mach semantics could be very fast. Unfortunately no such
>beast exists as far as i know.
The thought that Mach might be well suited for hosting things like
databases, treating them at a fairly low level as if they were at the
same "level" as an OS kernel just recently struck me as a possible
reason to value the uK approach.
As you say, nobody seems to have done this; people have fixated on the
use of uKs to:
a) Recreate BSD,
b) Port Linux to new places,
c) Host Hurd.
The first two applications aren't particularly interesting; the third
Isn't Quite There Yet; none of this represents massive justification for
great interest in Hurd.
In contrast, adding in:
d) Building a DB server that is real fast and pretty portable,
e) Building an authentication server for Linux/BSD/Hurd to depend on,
and other such things where some functionality actually gets pushed to
the Mach level as opposed to merely running Linux tasks that are really
Mach tasks a couple layers removed.
>> Second, Windows NT is not really a microkernel. It has several
>> threads of control in the OS. However, these threads of control are
>> at a very high level. The underlying kernel is still pretty
>
>The idea that win NT is a microkernel was probably invented by a
>propeller-head.
>Sun Solaris uses kernel thread in the same way.
There may have been some relationship at some point between NT and
microkernelling; that point is now hidden somewhere in Redmond under
millions of lines worth of bugs :-).
>> Third, that microkernels are "better", or that they're "worse".
>> They're just different is all. They have a different design
>> philosophy, and their typical design often allows for some flexibility
>
>Mach can easily supports multiple OS at the same time ie it possible
>to implement OS/360 on an PC for example. Seeing the same machine
>running UNIX and OS/360 could be real fun.
It's a k001 idea, and certainly one that was well-publicized.
Unfortunately, there are some possibly not minor issues to resolve
having to do with the multiplexing of resources. You'd probably want to
be able to use some of the services of the one of the singleservers with
one of the other singleservers.
For instance, you might have a printer on a box running Linux and Lites
atop Mach. It would be nice for both OSes to access that printer. (Not
an outrageous expectation!)
This means that either:
a) One OS (let's say the Linux instance) has an LPD queue, and Lites has
to have its /etc/printcap direct output to the Linux queue.
I'm not sure how to address this; you almost need to have a separate IP
address for each OS. (Which rings mental bells about another issue...)
b) Both OSes have print queues, and have Mach handle contention for the
physical device.
c) Push LPD out to being a Mach process. Again, there needs to be
something to represent to *BOTH* singleservers the notion that the
service might be on the same box and yet external.
a) and c) point out another issue; who controls TCP/IP? Who owns the
network card? Which OS "owns" IP addresses?
My suspicion is that you may need to have a 'virtual IP' address
associated with each bit, with one for "talking to Mach," one for
"talking to Linux," and one for "talking to Lites." (Or you have to use
service numbers, where Mach has the master table, and each OS gets
assigned some services as "its own.")
Perhaps there's a solution I'm not thinking of; regardless, the matter
of integrating multiple OSes on the same box so that they can use (and
abuse :-)) one anothers' services will require some degree of
modification to the way the singleservers work...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:04:25 GMT
On 2 Mar 1999 20:54:31 GMT, Maxim V. Sergeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> How does one change the date for a Unix/Linux machine? Answers
>> will be greatly appreciated.
>
>In the FreeBSD you can do
>adjkernltz --- if wos not started before
>date ... --- to correct system time
>killall adjkernltz --- to write CMOS
One of the more sophisticated ways to do so is to use NTP; it allows you
to periodically query time servers on the net (as well as various sorts
of queryable clock devices) so as to provide more precision than you'll
know what to do with :-).
<http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp> is the site where you can find the
reference implementation.
Many Linux distributions have ntp (or xntp) available in prepackaged
form to make it pretty easy to install and use.
--
Microsoft Corp., concerned by the growing popularity of the free 32-bit
operating system for Intel systems, Linux, has employed a number of top
programmers from the underground world of virus development. Bill Gates
stated yesterday: "World domination, fast -- it's either us or Linus".
Mr. Torvalds was unavailable for comment ... ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Robert Manners), in comp.os.linux.setup)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Public license question
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:04:23 GMT
On 2 Mar 1999 23:21:56 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:36:48 -0500,
> Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> brian moore wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:43:15 -0500,
>> > Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > As I understand it...The GPL is really not able to be enforced by
>> > > anyone. I get the feeling the the FSF doesn't have the money to take
>> > > anyone to court over a gpl violation...I also get the feeling that
>> > > maybe noone really cares too much - the gpl is more a matter of intent
>> > > than technicality. If you write a program and GPL it, do you necesarily
>> > > make a registered copyright? Or do you just release it and hope or not
>> > > care..
>> >
>> > Hint: do you think NeXT released their modifications to gcc for
>> > 'objective C' because of warm fuzzy feelings?
>>
>> These ideas, in part, come from previous posts involving WordPerfect,
>> StarOffice, and other non GPL'd programs available for Linux.
>
>They're wrong: Corel and others can release software for Linux and
>retain all the source they want. Completely legal and no one would be
>able (or care to) threaten them with that.
>
>But there is a difference between being "legal" and being "ethical":
>Corel is going much farther than many companies and is aiding the WINE
>project and porting the kernel to the StrongARM platform and sharing the
>code for those projects. This shows they are members of the community.
The aid to the WINE project involves "ethical" action that is doubtless
in Corel's interests; it is in their interests to benefit from future
efforts by WINE developers as well as from past efforts, which is enough
reason to contribute code back.
In the case of the StrongARM port, it is not an "ethical" action to
share the code; it is *mandatory* for them to do so since they're using
a GPLed code base.
(Note that I'm not arguing that Corel is acting in *unethical* manner; I
just don't think it is appropriate to *assume* good ethics when the
evidence reveals legal and utilitarian causes.)
>> > The Free Software Foundation does have lawyers, and they do pursue
>> > license violations on code they control.
>>
>> I did not know they even had much money. I got the feeling that they
>> didn't.
>
>No one needs to pay for lawyers.
Some people do; in the case of the FSF, they happen to be getting
pro-bono efforts not unlike what was offered in the Linux community when
an individual from the Boston area tried to claim "Linux" as his
trademark.
>> Correct me if I am wrong, but to obtain an actual copyright on
>> something, you have to register it with some authority? Probably,
>> some government?
>
>Nope: you -can- register if you want, but it's not required. The Berne
>convention holds that anything that is copyrightable is copyrighted
>unless specifically renounced. This post, for example, is copyrighted.
Of course, once you place that news post on a server where it is going
to get automagically replicated, you may be relinquishing some of the
potential rights associated with copyright based on the policies of your
ISP and upstream news distributors.
(Some people used to have .signatures indicating that they would only
permit their articles to be propagated by MSFT servers on the condition
of MSFT paying them $1000 per news post. Without some sort of policies
out there to deny this sort of thing, the propagation of Usenet news
could get tied down by an immense legal burden...)
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Microsoft Corp., concerned by the growing popularity of the free 32-bit
operating system for Intel systems, Linux, has employed a number of top
programmers from the underground world of virus development. Bill Gates
stated yesterday: "World domination, fast -- it's either us or Linus".
Mr. Torvalds was unavailable for comment ... ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Robert Manners), in comp.os.linux.setup)
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The .pl- extension?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:55:35 -0800
it's a script in Polish...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:04:08 GMT
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:40:04 -0500, Jeraimee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there a web site we can get to that will show us how to integrate GNOME
>and other WMs? (WindowMaker specifically)??
>
>This topic is driving me nuts! Must have tried 100 different ways to load
>them...
I used WM before I used GNOME; they seem to coexist quite nicely.
What precisely do you mean when you mean "how to integrate GNOME and
other WMs?"
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and incorporate tens of thousands of bug fixes from version 4.0."
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory Monitoring
Date: 02 Mar 1999 23:22:58 -0500
Paul Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Paul> Are there any graphical tools to monitor memory usage on Linux
Paul> in realtime?
'xterm -e top' or 'xterm -e watch free' is a cheap workable answer,
though it's probably not what you really want. The GNOME panel offers
some useful utilities for this, but I wouldn't install all of GNOME
just to get a memory monitor.
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"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Newbie - plz help
Date: 2 Mar 1999 20:05:28 GMT
j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez:
--> Hi
--> I'm a newbie - need some help. Here in south africa not too many have Linux.
--> I have SuSE 5.3, and when I try to start X, (after I have configured it and
--> it
--> have run it quite a few times) it tells me that the mouse is unavailable. I
--> have run the xf86config a few times, and it doesn't make a diff. what do I
--> do?
Why would you run xf86config when you have SaX????
Run yast and go to System administration -> Integrate hardware into system ->
Mouse configuration to make sure you have the correct mouse selected. Then type
saX at the command prompt to configure X.
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From: Sergio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:48:49 +0000
Boycott Swintel wrote:
>
> Pentium III chip with the individual serial number that can
> track your web surfing and buying habits can now have the ID number
> turned on and off by software. Following some links I found the
> www.fightdivx.com website and noticed that they have a Intel Boycott
> page with links, quotes and info on why you should boycott the
> invasion of privacy Pentium III chips. Just like everyone suspected,
> the ID number can be taken without a customers knowledge. Just like
> cellular phone fraud, once someone has your unique ID number, they
> could pose as you on the internet. Do not be fooled by reports that
> this problem is fixed because Intel disabled this feature by software
> on their up coming chips. Information is power. They want to know
> your surfing and buying habits. That is what this is all about. Here
> is the link to the page with the boycott info and links.
Im not really sure if this discussion will take you anywhere, after all
if you have a net card you already have a component with unique identity
(mac number) which can be used to track you with a simple "arp".
Sergio.
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From: Anatol Quabach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux SLOWER than win95?
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:14:20 +0100
Raf Meeusen wrote:
>
> I installed the latest Linux Mandrake (=Redhat+KDE) on a P60 with 16meg
> I use a swap partition of 70 Mb.
>
> But it is much slower than my windows 95.
> Is this normal?
Probably. Never tried it, but 16MB is very tight with a full
blown Mandrake install.
> Is there a way to speed it up?
> (like recompiling the kernel)
No, not the kernel. Recompile KDE and disable exeption
handling. Also, not using Pentium optimized code can speed
things up when memory is tight since Pentium optimized code
is faster but more memory intensive. Check the KDE mailing
list for details and the compiler flags.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Open Email Relay Redhat 4.2
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:53:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>HELP!!! I've been told that our Linux Redhat 4.2 server is acting as a
>open email relay! A lot of people are getting spammed from our server
>and we want it to stop! Can anyone tell me how to disable or turn it
>off ?
That's what you get for setting up a system without knowing what
you are doing. You'll need to update the sendmail package, which
may or may not force you to update other related packages as well.
Please check news.admin.net-abuse.email and/or comp.mail.sendmail
for details.
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused]
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:32:54 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:40:04 -0500...
..and Jeraimee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a web site we can get to that will show us how to integrate GNOME
> and other WMs? (WindowMaker specifically)??
>
> This topic is driving me nuts! Must have tried 100 different ways to load
> them...
Gnome 1.0 will have a Control Center capplet to select your window
manager from a list.
mawa
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-- unintentional juxtaposition in George Lin's follow-up of Adam
Hill's posting. RTFM before fibbing, I guess.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Modem problem, help!
Date: 3 Mar 1999 04:30:03 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Edgar Manik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I have a 3Com 56K Voice Faxmodem Ext. Eversince I installed the modem, I
>could no longer connect to internet under Linux (kernel 2.0.36 and 2.2.x).
>After the modem finished dialing to my ISP, it acted as if it's connected,
>but when I checked using route and ifconfig, there's no ppp0 device. It
>never happened before when I was still using Sportster 33k internal. Please
>mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Give infomation. It does not work is not very informative.
run chat with the -v option. Run pppd withthe debug option and put
daemon.* /var/log/messages
inot /etc/syslog.conf
and killall -1 syslogd
Look at the output to /var/log/messages after a failed connection.
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 98 not to loose the docs. but want Dual boot w/ linux
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:15:49 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After some hacking around I found it: you meant www.metalab.unc.edu, I think.
"Dennis J. Sylvester" wrote:
> Forget Partition Magic 4.x, it costs money and sucks badly...go to
> www.metlab.unc.edu and get FIPS...much better, works great...and it's free.
> Make sure to read ALL the docs!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Subject: Re: Newbie question: how to apply a .diff patch?
Date: 2 Mar 1999 12:23:38 -0800
>Also at the blackdown site was a jdk1.1.7v1a.diff file. How can I apply
>this file to the java directories?
patch < jdk1.1.7v1a.diff
If that doesn't work, try changing directories.
- Sam
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From: Luis Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Whts wrong with my GTK???
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 02:46:58 +0000
Can some one please tell me what library is lacking in my redhat 5.2,
since I can't compile
anything that uses GTK. this is because gtk-config as compiling switch:
gcc ... -lXext
so I get a message that Xext ( a library I belive) does not exists. I
checked I found libXext. Is this it?? If so what do I do now ???
Luis Sousa
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From: "John McNeil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Install of WordPerfect 8
Date: 3 Mar 1999 03:26:59 GMT
I untarred the 7 files and ran the ./Runme. I keep on getting an error
message that states "nothing new to install." Does anyone on the net have
any idea what I have done wrong? It there a work around that will solve the
problem or do I have to re-download the files again?
Thanks everyone for any assistance given.
John McNeil
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Y W Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: File trusty varied by cp in crontab ?
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:32:31 +0800
Anyone know that the file trusty cp in crontab is different from cp
directly ?
[wong@gpus1]$ ls -l test*
-rw-rw-r-- 1 wong wong 95 Mar 1 09:56 test
-rw-r--r-- 1 wong wong 95 Mar 3 11:35 test.old
[wong@gpus1]$ crontab -l
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (crontest installed on Wed Mar 3 11:29:38 1999)
# (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp
$)
35 * * * * cp test test.old
[wong@gpus1]$ cp test test.old
[wong@gpus1]$ ls -l test*
-rw-rw-r-- 1 wong wong 95 Mar 1 09:56 test
-rw-rw-r-- 1 wong wong 95 Mar 3 11:44 test.old
[wong@gpus1]$
Many thanks.
Y W Wong
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Subject: Re: Install hangs on "idle process cannot sleep"
Date: 2 Mar 1999 12:25:31 -0800
>I am trying to install Red Hat 5.2 (the Macmillan boxed set) on a Compaq
>Presario 4532. The process dies fairly early after saying "idle process cannot
>sleep" five times.
How much memory do you have? RedHat Linux is a pain to install unless you
have at least 16 megs of ram.
If you want a guaranteed install, try Slackware. Slackware will install
in just about anything.
- Sam
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
From: Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:39:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Espel Llima) writes:
> People have probably done that with every conceivable kind of language,
> from assembler through FORTH to pure ML. That doesn't mean I actually
> *want* to organize most of my problems in the ways that these languages
> provide.
Noone suggested that you become a purist in one particular style of
programming. I was only pointing to some resources for those wanting
to learn about a particular style of programming, and pointing out
some of it's advantages. The more styles you know, the better off you
will be as a programmer. Of course being a programmer is not a
pre-requisite for writing code. One interesting side-effect of
learning about all the different styles is that you get a much better
perspective on the history of computer science, and you'll come up
with some neat solutions in your day to day work.
> For most of my programming needs, give me a well-designed,
> very-high-level, *procedural* language, and I'll be happy. Of those
> I've tried, Perl is the closest I've found to what my dream language
> would be. But it's not quite it either.
I try and avoid string massaging, along with religious language wars.
--
Craig Brozefsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Less matter, more form! - Bruno Schulz
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Printing Accounting
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Curry)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:28:30 GMT
In article <7bh4vf$2gb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We need to set up printer accounting on our RH5.2 servers -- to charge
>users per page or per byte for all their printing. I've turned on accton, but
>don't see any way right off to get print spool info from it. The print spool
>itself has the info we need, although only briefly. Is there some way to
>continually copy the print spool info to another file, so we can then right a
>program to bill them? Doing lpq, even a continual loop, would probably let
>many small jobs slip by.
In related news, I'd like to know if there is any lpd replacement with some
access control. In some places it doesn't make sense to allow every user to
print just because there happens to be a printer there, but the
administrator might want to print something once in a while, so having lpd
running is convenient. If lpr would do a getuid() and compare against a list
of allowed users (kinda like /etc/minicom.users, only for lpr), that would be
ideal.
Has anyone done this yet?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nico Kadel-Garcia)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:38:23 GMT
On 02 Mar 1999 14:34:05 -0800, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>Copyright is automatic. It's not a trademark or a patent, you don't
>have to "register" it.
The length of intellectual property ownership and the regulations
surrounding it change constantly. This is basically so that the people
paying for extension by funding legal battles or candidates supporting
laws can retain critical properties (such as the Mickey Mouse
copyrights and trademarks), while others want those materials
released (such as Star Trek "slash" writers).
Or, in code terms, people who have used the XOR trick for decades want
to be able to continue using common tricks without worrying about the
wienie who tried to patent it recently.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam E. Trenholme)
Subject: Re: Netscape goes to sleep
Date: 2 Mar 1999 12:30:16 -0800
>When I'm on line with netscape 4.0 in Linux suse 5.3 Netscape seems to
>go to sleep. I can pick up the phone, the line is still connected, but I
>hear the beeping and other noises that go with connecting to the net. Is
>there some setting that I've missed?
What happens when you try pinging the site in question? Open up an xterm,
and type in something like:
ping www.linux.com
Where "www.linux.com" is the site you are connected to when Linux sleeps.
>Another problem that I'm experiencing is that Netscape doesn't
>disconnect when I close the program. The only way to disconnect is to
>close Linux.
Of course Netscape does not sleep when you disconnect. In Linux, it is
assumed that you want to stay online unless you have an explicit reason to
disconnect. The process of disconnecting depends on how you connected to
the internet--I am not familiar enough with Suse to understand their
particular way of doing this.
"close Linux" makes no sense to me. I assume that you want to shut down
linux by hitting "Cntl+Alt+Delete", which is correctly described as
"shutting down Linux".
- Sam
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments?
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:59:56 +0000
On 2 Mar 1999, Vincent Fox wrote:
> In <7bfu2l$6b7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Jason Naguit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
>
> []2) Are there any other office suites to run on Linux and how do they
> []compare
> []with StarOffice?
>
> Hey I interested in this as well. I'd like to get my girlfriend
> switched from Win98 to Linux but find I cannot. Much as I criticize
> MSOffice for it's bloat, it does have features I find it difficult
> to replace, that she uses. Take for example the equation editor.
> She is a Phd in AE, and thus uses lots of equations in papers.
> The equation editor in StarOffice is *terrible*. This seems to
> be the case with several office suites for Linux I've tried. They
> are good enough for writing letters or maybe a simple term paper,
> but lack the features to handle complicated document needs.
I'd give LaTeX or LyX a try (http://www.lyx.org/). LaTeX's math
typesetting is far better than anything MS Office can do. LyX is a "What
You Get is What you Mean" visual front end to LaTeX.
David
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