Linux-Misc Digest #273, Volume #20 Thu, 20 May 99 11:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: Looking for FREE Java IDE builder (Kevin Burton)
Re: Linux or linux? ("Tazman")
Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6??? (Stuart R. Fuller)
Newbie question:Compiling the kernel and modules ? (Tom Hall)
RedHAt 6.0 with BitchX 75p (Lance)
Re: Booting AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 HELP!! ("Anthony J. Gabrielson")
Re: Root Password lost... (Mark Tranchant)
wordperfect wont install. help please (NoMadis)
[Q] memory usage puzzle (Jerome Mrozak)
RedHat 6.0 and gcc. Where? (Rich Piotrowski)
Re: Linux or linux? (eloki)
Re: Linux or linux? (Andrew)
Re: Newbie question:Compiling the kernel and modules ? (**Nick Brown)
find (Dr Paul Kinsler)
Re: /usr/sbin/in.identd missing? (Roland Latour)
Problem with AfterStep (dh)
Re: NT the best web platform? (John Hascall)
Re: Linux or linux? (Andrew)
Re: Version of kernel (Mikkel Rasmussen)
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From: Kevin Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for FREE Java IDE builder
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:18:02 -0700
I wanted to mention this to but it is not GNU.... there really is
something to be said to having the source code.
FoT wrote:
>
> Al Dev wrote:
> >
> > Which is the most popular GNU/GPLed "free" IDE builder for Java on
> > LINUX platform??
> > something using JDK 1.2?? I saw one called FreeBuilder
> > http://www.freebuilder.org
> > But is there a better/more popular one?? Or FreeBuilder is the ONLY
> > ONE?
>
> http://www.netbeans.com
>
> Looks great on screenshots, easy install.
> I haven't used it however because the system requirements for the
> Java1.2 version are a bit high.
> Starting up is very, very slow on my current machine, and seems to quit
> on me when it comes to building the main screen.
> I'll try and run it on my new to come machine.
> Be sure to get the blackdown JDK1.2 first.
>
> FoT
--
Kevin A. Burton
Internet Guy
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From: "Tazman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Linux or linux?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:20:26 +0800
Reply-To: "Tazman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
you are correct it is GNU/Linux.... As the project first started as GNU
(GNU is Not Unix) with the aim to make an open source type of Unix operating
system.. The term Linuix came about by the name of the person who wrote the
Kernel for that operating system.. And because of our tendency to shorten
words it has evolved into Linux... So you may call it Linux but to be more
correct it is GNU/Linux...as Linux is not the whole part of the OS.. just
the Kernel.....
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around. But that doesn't mean you can't have a little GNU/Linux on the side.
If the revolution is coming, it won't hurt to be prepared."
D. Vrabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 20 May 1999, Ben Short wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Working on a IS assignment, about an Open Document Management System,
and
> > the back end of the database can be ported to UNIX or _Linux_.
> >
> > It may be a stupid question, but I have to get it right. Is it "Linux"
or
> > "linux".
> Some would say that it's GNU/Linux.
>
> David
> --
> David Vrabel
> Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: URGENT: How to download Red Hat 6???
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:02:49 GMT
Ed Blosch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Please tell me where to get a $2 copy of RH6.0. Infomagic doesn't have
: it out yet, and Redhat wants $79.95. GNU wants $150 to precompile
: everything specifically for my system. Are you saying, if I download it
: myself and purchase a writable CD-ROM, that I can buy the media for
: $2 ? How much are writable CD-ROMs?
:
: I'm serious, where can I get a CD w/RH6.0 on it for $2? I'd gladly pay
: $20, but I can't even find it at that price.
www.cheapbytes.com
Stu
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From: Tom Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie question:Compiling the kernel and modules ?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:41:34 +0100
I upgraded the kernel on my linux box several times and everythings
worked fine, adding in the various extra bits for my sound card etc.
My question is this what is the difference / advantage of using modules
over compiling stuff into the kernel itself?
(sorry if I've not expressed that correctly, but as I say I don't really
understand it 8)
Thanks in advance
--
tom
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From: Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: RedHAt 6.0 with BitchX 75p
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:48:42 -0300
I just installed redhat 6.0 2 days ago and today I tried to install
BitchX 75p1. When I do the 'make'
it only gets about a 1/4 of the process done then it says theres errors
somwheres etc... I never had this problem before when I had it on my
RedHat 5.2 just a week ago. Anyone else have the same problem?
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/lance/BitchX/source'
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c alias.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c alist.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c array.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c banlist.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c bot_link.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c compat.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c cdcc.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c chelp.c
gcc -O2 -Wall -D_VERSION_=\"BitchX\" -I../include -c commands.c
commands.c: In function `e_debug':
commands.c:4685: structure has no member named `fds_bits'
make[1]: *** [commands.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/lance/BitchX/source'
make: *** [BitchX] Error 2
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From: "Anthony J. Gabrielson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Booting AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 HELP!!
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:39:08 -0400
Hello,
I'm not sure the solution to your problem - I have an alpha
though. Try switching your boot mode to Dec Unix - it should be a few
options deep in setup for AlphaBIOS. However I have never worked with you
machine so I'm not sure. You could also try posting this in the alpha
linux news group - Its low traffic and most everybody there is very sharp.
Anthony
On 20 May 1999, Patrick LOGE wrote:
> Booting AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 HELP!!
> First, as you will see in the following message,
> it is the FIRST time I try to boot Linux on an Aplha :)
>
> How to boot this machine?
>
> I've tried to go though de AlphaBIOS to insert LINUX
> as a bootable OS.
>
> I'v make a floppy with linload an a milo from the CD.
>
> The machine start to boot with Linux but stopped to
> "swapping ..PALCode..0x80000" or something like that.
>
> I've been told that it was a wrong milo, and that it was no
> milo at all for the AlphaServer 1000A 4/266...
>
> Lot of poeple talk about about SRM consol (???) where do I find this...
>
> I heard about "noritake" file what should I do with this???
>
> So, it the mess :((((((((
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
>
>
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Root Password lost...
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:30:35 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ho ho ho ho ho.
Boot from a root/boot floppy set, login as root, mount your root hard
drive partition on /mnt, and edit /mnt/etc/shadow. Copy another user's
password that you know over the encrypted root password, and reboot.
Login as root, with the chosen user's password. Change it immediately.
Re-install, my foot. What do you think this is, Windows?
Mark.
Beni Huber wrote:
>
> Argh! It really has happened. We forgot our root password.
>
> Please have a heavy laugh.
>
> We'll probably have to reinstall Linux. Is there a way to just replace
> some of the components or does it
> have to be a complete reinstall?
>
> Is there another way to get at the password? We have RH 5.2 with shadow
> passwords on. We still have
> user access.
>
> Thanx a lot,
>
> Beni
>
> -----
> Beni Huber
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----
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From: NoMadis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: wordperfect wont install. help please
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:15:47 +0200
Ok, so after a lot of nagging girlfriend has finally agreed to dump DOS
in favour of Linux: So i got this new HD, installed Debian 2.1 with the
kernel of the day, got X up and running, DLoaded WP8 untarred it and ran
the Runme script as user.
I tried to run from commandline first, and whilst it installed fine,
when I execute xwp i get: libXt.so.6 not found.
Of course it is there.
When trying to install from xterm I dont even get that far: it states:
libX11.so.6 not found. That one is also there.
Please help, since she stubbornly refuses to learn Vi, and she wont
touch
Linux unless she can run WP.
--
Greetz,
Joop
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From: Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Q] memory usage puzzle
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:17:20 -0500
I have SuSE 6.1 distribution (Linux 2.2.5) installed on a 80MB RAM
computer. Booting to the CLI, 'free' reports that 55MB is used, 25MB
unused. I am not running any expensive daemons at this moment (for
example, not running httpd or crond or lpd or atd, etc.).
I understand that Linux can run in 16MB, ??MB, etc. Yet it is reporting
55MB used.
* Is Linux simply using the memory to cache, and will release this
memory overuse as other programs require it?
* I'm thinking that when I run a GUI (Gnome, KDE) that it will want to
eat memory. Will I start swapping to swap partition simply because my
"kernel" is chewing my RAM?
* Is my base setup configured wrong to use this much memory?
* How is it my Linux eats more RAM (apparently) than the pig that is
WinNT4?
TIA,
Jerome.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rich Piotrowski)
Subject: RedHat 6.0 and gcc. Where?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:35:21 GMT
I just did a clean install of RH 6.0. When I tried to complile a
kernel, It complained that it could not find 'gcc'.
Much to my surprise, gcc does not seem to be installed, nor is it on
the CDROM!
Of course, I could install it from my RH 5.2 disk but, I would like to
know if there is an RPM an the RedHat 6.0 disk that I don't know
about!
Thanks in advance,
Rich Piotrowski
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (eloki)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Linux or linux?
Date: 20 May 1999 14:31:53 GMT
Tazman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote unto us:
>you are correct it is GNU/Linux.... As the project first started as GNU
>(GNU is Not Unix) with the aim to make an open source type of Unix operating
>system.. The term Linuix came about by the name of the person who wrote the
>Kernel for that operating system.. And because of our tendency to shorten
>words it has evolved into Linux... So you may call it Linux but to be more
>correct it is GNU/Linux...as Linux is not the whole part of the OS.. just
>the Kernel.....
Er... no. Linux never started as a GNU project, and has never been one.
The source code is released under the GPL, but that doesn't make it a GNU
project. The Free Software Foundation has their own (micro)kernel called
Hurd.
*sigh* The "Linux vs GNU/Linux" argument... I will say that you'll never
hear me saying GNU/Linux because it's a waste of energy to say or write when
I can just say Linux. When we have non-GNU/Linux distributions which are
Linux kernels with non-GNU binutils/etc, then I'll consider the name
GNU/Linux to be useful for differentiating. Until then, I don't believe
that the name of an operating system has to include the name of the people
responsible for non-kernel areas. I appreciate the GNU contribution, I just
don't think we need to add it to a name that people already argue uselessly
enough about as it is... linnucks, ly-nucks etc.
And as for that original question, the answer is "Linux". Using lowercase
for no reason in a report would be just being sloppy :)
--
eloki
eloki/at/zip.com.au
Dare I disturb the universe? You bet I do! :)
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From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Linux or linux?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:19:12 +1000
Thats why its GNU/Linux and not simply GNU. Its a combination
of the Linux kernel and the GNU utilites.
gus wrote:
> it right. Is it "Linux" or
> > > "linux".
> > Some would say that it's GNU/Linux.
> >
>
> But *I* wouldn't...
>
> ... although closely associated, they are distinct. Linux uses a lot of
> GNU concepts and utilities, but Linux describes the Kernel which was not
> directly contributed by the GNU organsiation, at least not enough for
> them to claim a form of ownership.
>
> > David
> > --
> > David Vrabel
> > Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
>
> Linux it is
>
> gus
>
> P.S. This is an opinion ...
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie question:Compiling the kernel and modules ?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:44:49 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Main advantage of modules is that you don't need to change the kernel,
run LILO, or in many cases even reboot, to change a module or driver.
The advantage of having kerneld automatically unload modules to save
memory is nice, but unlikely to be significant if your RAM is not very
limited.
Ideally a kernel would have almost no drivers, except say the VGA
console and the IDE/SCSI drive for the root partition. Everything else
would be loaded as a module. A kernel like that can also be taken and
run on another machine. For example, if you are testing a kernel hack
which changes the scheduler, you might want to run it on several
different machines, with different drivers. If they all boot from IDE
drives, you can probably get away with copying the kernel, running LILO,
and rebooting. Saves a whole load of compile time.
OTOH, a driver in the kernel makes for a smaller overall system. The
single-floppy distribs (eg tomsrtbt) have big kernels with lots of
drivers. They also boot on almost any hardware, since they have all the
drivers in there.
Tom Hall wrote:
>
> I upgraded the kernel on my linux box several times and everythings
> worked fine, adding in the various extra bits for my sound card etc.
>
> My question is this what is the difference / advantage of using modules
> over compiling stuff into the kernel itself?
>
> (sorry if I've not expressed that correctly, but as I say I don't really
> understand it 8)
>
> Thanks in advance
> --
> tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr Paul Kinsler)
Subject: find
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:09:06 +0100 (BST)
I'm having some problems getting the find command to work.
If I type
ls -l $(/usr/bin/find . -perm -0020 -type f -print )
to do a long list of all files writeable by others, it
returns a list like
-rw-r----- 1 kinsler users 84352 Feb 16 16:27 Lancer.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 kinsler users 201938 Apr 14 00:03 M.tar.gz
drwx------ 3 kinsler users 3072 May 17 19:06 Mail/
drwxr-x--- 3 kinsler users 2048 Jan 18 10:41 News/
lrwxrwxrwx 1 kinsler users 8 Feb 13 1997 Xs -> Xsession*
-rwxr-x--- 1 kinsler users 1180 Jan 13 11:25 script-host*
-rwxr-x--- 1 kinsler users 1601 Jun 17 1997 script-term*
which clearly isn't right. However, using a 0001 or 0004 mask
to find readble/executable files seems to work fine (as do 0010
and 0040). The user digit (0X00) seems to work ok, but the first
(X000 for suid bits, etc) never seems to.
I'm baffled.
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Institute of Microwaves and Photonics
University of Leeds (ph) +44-113-2332089
Leeds LS2 9JT (fax)+44-113-2332032
United Kingdom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WEB: http://www.ee.leeds.ac.uk/staff/pk/P.Kinsler.html
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From: Roland Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/in.identd missing?
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:56:09 -0700
Matt Kressel wrote:
>
> Jeffrey Bell wrote:
> >
> > I'm running to boxes networked together, one runs Slackware-2.2.8 and
> > the other runs Stampede-2.2.8
> > I was checking out my Stampede's syslog file and came across an error
> > that I can not figure out..
> > syslog states: execv /usr/sbin/in.identd no such file or directory.
>
> You could copy it if they use the same libc librarires (ls -l
> /lib/libc*). identd is the authorization daemon, or the server that
> reports to remote hosts which user is requesting the service. This also
> lets you know user who attempt to access your machine if their identd is
> running.
This is due to a browser (netscape3.04 in my case) set up with Options=>
MailNewsPrefs=>Servers set to auto-check email every 10 minutes.
/usr/sbin/in.identd is trying to ensure the username on the requesting
system is the same as the username on the mailserver.
I suggest you disable this option in your browser.
--
Retired Tech Support Engineer http://home.cdsnet.net/~rolandl
No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats --
approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
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From: dh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with AfterStep
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:58:09 +0100
I just managed to set up RedHat 5.2 (yes, I know I should update, but
I haven't managed to set up the internet under Linux yet). While
experimenting with settings, I switched the window manager to
AfterStep instead of fvwm. AfterStep now doesn't work - how do I
switch back to fvwm - using only bash shell?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hascall)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 20 May 1999 14:33:19 GMT
Marc Slemko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Benoit Goudreault-Emond) writes:
}>Then again, NT caches files as well, so the OS cache should be about
}>equivalent.
}In fact, the OS is really the thing that knows the best about caching and
}that is by far best suited to cache things.
}In more complex and more real world situations, when you have to
}have a balance between various uses of memory, larger data sets, etc.
}that is what a good VM system does for you. In addition, it lets you
}more easily (in some cases) avoid copys when doing IO if it is from
}kernel memory to the network.
Well, on 'any decent' system there is scant difference between
pages cached by the buffer cache and pages the application
has cache (e.g., in malloc'd or mmap'd space).
The difference being you save time and cycles if the app
caches it because the OS has to do less work (e.g. path
chasing, access checking, etc).
}Now, you still can use a cache (eg. file descriptor cache), but caching
}the data isn't necessarily the thing to do.
FD caching (esp, if the underlying I/O system is good)
may well get you most of the way there.
However, in my profiling of my modified version of
thttpd, I discovered that the hot spots were all
essentially loops like:
for (fd = 0; fd < maxfd; ++fd) {
/* do something */
}
so keeping maxfd's down seems like 'a good thing'.
John
--
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ISU Computation Center demanded are now mandatory. -Jello Biafra
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.cc.iastate.edu/staff/systems/john/index.html <=- the usual crud
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From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Linux or linux?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:24:10 +1000
An interesting twist is MkLinux which uses the mach microkernel
rather than the Linux kernel.
Cheers
Andrew
eloki wrote:
> Er... no. Linux never started as a GNU project, and has never been one.
> The source code is released under the GPL, but that doesn't make it a GNU
> project. The Free Software Foundation has their own (micro)kernel called
> Hurd.
> *sigh* The "Linux vs GNU/Linux" argument... I will say that you'll never
> hear me saying GNU/Linux because it's a waste of energy to say or write when
> I can just say Linux. When we have non-GNU/Linux distributions which are
> Linux kernels with non-GNU binutils/etc, then I'll consider the name
> GNU/Linux to be useful for differentiating. Until then, I don't believe
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From: Mikkel Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Version of kernel
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:45:31 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Owen Cook wrote:
> I installed Red Hat 5.2 with kernal 2.0.36 and then decided to build
> 2.2.7 At boot up, it reports that the kernel is still 2.0.36
>
You should probably run /sbin/lilo (as root) before booting.
> Is there a command like "ver" to indicate what build you are running?
uname -r
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