Linux-Misc Digest #282, Volume #19 Wed, 3 Mar 99 14:13:15 EST
Contents:
Re: aps or magicfilter? ("Peter Caffin")
Re: Where is the config file that sets which libraries at start up? ("Joe (theWordy)
Philbrook")
Re: Compuserve dialup from linux (Jason Clifford)
Re: REDHAT UPdates directory... (Jason Clifford)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Jim Liedeka)
Print Problems with Linux and Windows (Leanne Daniel Holder)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Stan Barr)
Re: More bad news for NT (Jason Clifford)
Re: Adjust time drift? ("Robert B. Hamilton")
Re: Public license question (Alan McLean)
Re: Which instal to buy (**Nick Brown)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Roger Espel Llima)
accidentally deleted /etc/modules (Angelo Jerod Keresztes)
Re: Matrox Mystique G200 AGP under XFree86 (Paul Randall)
Linux system failures ("Cris A. Fugate")
Re: gtk+ compile errors (1.1.9)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Andy Isaacson)
Re: FreeAgent for Linux (G�rard Milmeister)
need help installing RH5.2 (Princess Confusion)
Re: ICQ in Linux (Jeremy Nickolet)
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From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: aps or magicfilter?
Date: 3 Mar 1999 01:49:00 GMT
Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which filter is best used for printing aps or magicfilter?
Magicfilter is very easy and has a lot of supported printers.
OTOH, I haven't tried APS so I can't comment on it.
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From: "Joe (theWordy) Philbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Where is the config file that sets which libraries at start up?
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:12:25 +0000
Reply-To: "Joe (theWordy) Philbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Cooper wrote:
>> That file you look for is /etc/ld.so.conf and it lists the directories
>> it checks for libraries. My guess is that you shouldn't modify anything
>> in that file. Instead, check the /usr/lib/libslang.so.1 file. It's probably
>> a link to a non-existant file which is why ldconfig is objecting. /usr/lib
>> holds many other vital libraries so removing that directory from the
>> /etc/ld.so.conf file will only make things worse.
>>
>> Cooper
>> --
>> Linux: Proof of intelligent life on earth
Thanks Cooper, Yup ls /usr/lib/libslang.so.1 said thfile was there...
but less /usr/lib/libslang.so.1 said there wasn't any such file...
So I did a rm /usr/lib/libslang.so.1 and rebooted... problem gone...
Thanks!
If I understand this, then what happens when the /etc/ld.so.conf lists a
directory to check for library's in, that ALL filnames in those named
directories will be presumbed to be libraries <or links to libraries>
and ANY filename in those directories that isn't one will lead to the
kind of error I was getting???
I suppose that if some idiot were to save some textfile or something in
/usr/lib/anyfilename it could lead even worse errors than the missing
link did?????????
IN ANY CASE, THAT PROBLEM IS OVER...
TTTTTTTTTTTT HH HH AA NN NN KK SSSS
TT HH HH A A NNNN NN KK KK SS SS
TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KK KK SS
TT HHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAA NN NN NN KK KK SSSSS
TT HH HH AA AA NN NN NN KKKK KK SS
TT HH HH AA AA NN NNNN KK KK SS SS
TT HH HH AA AA NN NN KK KK SSSS
| ~^~ ~^~
| <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
| ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/ <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compuserve dialup from linux
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1999 17:14:33 +0000
On 3 Mar 1999, Marc Dobson wrote:
> Do people know if it is possible to make a ppp connection to compuserve and what
> the details of this are (eg PAP or CHAP authentication, domain servers, news
> server address etc...). Or is Compuserve like AOL which has a proprietry protocol
> to connect to (as far as the ISP-HOWTO says).
Yes it is possible and, indeed, has been the prefered route for many
people since the service was launched.
I suggest that you GO UNIXFORUM and see the documentation written for
exactly this requirement.
CSi have made some changes in the past couple of years that mean you need
an extra layer of software to access the forums that have been moved over
to the web interface. Again it is documented in UNIXFORUM.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: REDHAT UPdates directory...
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1999 17:16:47 +0000
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, A James Lewis wrote:
> If I have downloaded all of the updates for 5.2, is it possible to swap
> these with the ones on the CD to make an updated distro? Or is the FTP
> distribution already updated?
Yes it is possible. You need to remove the original files (the ftp site
still serves the distribution as on November 2 when it was released) and
replace them with the updated ones. Then you will need to run
?/misc/src/install/genhdlist ?/ where ? is the point in the filesystem
that your Red Hat download is.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jim Liedeka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash?
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:57:28 +0000
> > AFAIK, it is a bug in Netscape that only shows up with Linux 2.2.
> > there is a dynamic library which tries to hack around the
> > problem. I didn't have too much success with it myself and
> > haven't spent the time to try to fix it. check
> > comp.linux.announce to find it.
>
> I have no problems with kernel 2.2.1 and Netscape 4.05 or
> 4.08 accessing freshmeat.net
I am running Netscape 4.5 under the 2.0.36 kernel and I also crash out
when trying to access freshmeat.net. The problem is definitely not
confined to the new kernels.
--
We are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
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From: Leanne Daniel Holder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Print Problems with Linux and Windows
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:39:56 -0700
I have been using an HP series 4 printer under Red Hat 5.2 for
some time without any problems. If I disconnect the parallel
cable from my desktop with linux and connect it to my laptop
running W98, print from W98, and then reconnect my
desktop, linux will no longer print correctly. After an lpr, the
printer light blinks indicating that it is recieving information, but
the printed material is garbage.
I have had moderate success by rebooting my linux box and reseting the
printer, but this does not always work.
A student of mine does not have this problem with an older HP series II
(other equipment and OS's the same). Is the windows driver for the
printer messing up some setting in the printer itself? This is
driving my crazy, and I have no idea what is going on.
I have used a manual swith box to allow two machines to acces the
printer, independently. Is the box the problem?
Please respond to the news group, to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Barr)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 3 Mar 1999 18:06:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 04:59:09 GMT,
Kevin & Chelby Geiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm a new linux user. my only gripe is reading usenet news (in fact
>I'm in windows right now!! blech!)
>
>I'm using free agent in windows. I can't find an off line news reader
>for linux whihc is as good!!!
>
>with agent you can select the headers you want downloaded and delete
>the rest from your account so they are gone forever. you can select
>multiple headers at once, using shift and the arrow keys. I can sift
>through 1000 messages in 15 minutes and end up with only the bodies I
>want to read.
>
>Please tell me there is something as good for linux!!!
I usr slrn & slrnpull. I download _all_ the articles in the newsgroups I
subscribe to (24 of them), and peruse tham at my leisure. I have plenty
of disk space so thats not a problem and it only takes about 10 minutes
to get the lot - quicker than reading all the headers and selecting what
I want to read.....
Cheers,
Stan Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:02 +0000
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Harry wrote:
> > OK, next question: can you set up NT with a text-mode shell
> and still be able to manage multiple simultaneous
> applications? I know this is possible with OS/2 (TSHELL)
> and linux, and is quite useful when you want to provide
> maximum resources to a server (for example) that doesn't
> need a fancy user interface. <
>
> You'd define a system policy and specify cmd.exe as the default
> shell. Why, God only knows. It's a bit like buying a Lexus and then
> deciding that all the electric motors for the back support etc and
> all the extra trim is slowing the thing down.
Perhaps one would prefer not to have a GUI running taking up large
portions of the systems resources unnecessarily.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: "Robert B. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adjust time drift?
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:39:12 -0600
> My machine drifts about 30 seconds every day. So I have a daily cron
> job that performs a rdate. But 30 seconds is quite a lot. Is there a
> better possibility to adjust the system time?
As long as you are connected to net, simplest solution is to
install xntpd, which keeps the clock sync'ed to net timeservers
very accurately.
If that's overkill you can try using adjtimex() to tune the kernel clock
yourself. My personal experience is it can work pretty well.
(modes,status,freq below are fields in the timex structure described in
man page for adjtimex)
1) do adjtimex with modes=MOD_STATUS and status|=STA_PLL,
2) then with modes=MOD_FREQUENCY with freq=f*(1<<SHIFT_USEC)
f is the frequency difference you want in parts per million, 30 s/day
is about 350 ppm....sign is positive if you want the clock to speed up...
and SHIFT_USEC is currently supplied by the kernel <timex.h> to scale it to
the units the kernel wants to use.
The odd form the "freq=..." is to make it clear that a float was intended
for f to get a higher precision, whereas (timex).freq is a long.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan McLean)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:24:26 GMT
Mark Mokryn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <7bjh79$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William C. Cheng) wrote:
>
> > If you wrote it entirely by yourself, you don't need to put your code
> > under GPL (in order to run it under GPL). But if you cut and paste GPL'ed
> > code into your software, link to a GPL'ed (but not LGPL'ed) library, etc.,
> > then you can't choose not to put your code under GPL.
>
> Since I'm sure Oracle links to *something* GPL'ed, some standard library,
> perhaps #included some GPL'ed header file and use its macros, etc., then I
> would expect anyday now to download Oracle source code... Certainly Microsoft
> would *love* this...
Well, the GNU C library (with associated header files and macros) is
covered by the LGPL, so this is not an issue. I believe there
is a statement in the glibc distribution that clarifies this, but
its been a while since I've looked at it.
I'm not aware of many GPL'd libs, libgdbm perhaps libg++.
libg++ has been largely replaced with libstc++ which is not
GPL'd, and most people use the Berkeley DB library instead
of libgdbm.
What GPL'd library do you know for sure that they are linking to?
-amcl
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which instal to buy
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:37:17 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you are a hacker type, Debian is also quite cool. I downloaded it
from www.debian.org. Total cost $0.00 (dialback from work, ha ha).
> What is the best to buy. Suse or Redhat.
> I want to have ease of initial instalation and then freak around with all
> kind of packages.
--
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|\ | o _ |/ Life's like a jigsaw
| \| | |_ |\ You get the straight bits
But there's something missing in the middle
Nick Brown, Strasbourg, France (Nick(dot)Brown(at)coe(dot)fr)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Espel Llima)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: 3 Mar 1999 18:01:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>UNIX does the above for command-line purposes. If you replace
>'object' with 'file' or 'stdio' (depending on the method or instance)
>in the above paragraph, you pretty much have a definition of UNIX.
>Where UNIX gets into problems is with the graphical interface (what is
>an $EDITOR object? how do you embed it into your application?).
>Heck, the mail example is commonly used in UNIX text books.
>
>Now, when you say that you want programs to be objects you still
>haven't said anything about change. A program, by some defintion of
>object, is already one in UNIX: It has methods, instances and data
>all rolled up into a quantum thing. Again, what are you going to
>change? -- just give a simple, detailed example (maybe with
>pseudocode?).
>
>As far as I'm concerned, this *is* a computerized lego:
>
>cut -f1 -d: /etc/passwd | tail +15 | sort | uniq | mail -s "here's our
>user list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exactly. Traditional Unix programs and utilities are lego-able objects
at the command-line level.
What is missing is a standardized (and recognized) way to do this for
GUI programs, *and* accomodate the fact that different programs may
provide the same kind of service with different user interfaces, so the
user should be able to select his favorite, and have it invoked.
For example, a program might want to send mail at some point; instead of
doing everything itself, it might want to run the user's favorite
mailer, feeding it an address and some initial text. Currently programs
do this by exec()ing a mailer, and choosing it via an ad-hoc configuration
menu or an environment variable.
There are many problems with this approach:
* if an ad-hoc configuration menu is used, you have to configure what
your favorite mailer is in every single program might want to send mail
* different mailers have different ways of specifying initial information;
there is no standard for that. and their capabilities are limited:
most mailers let you specify an address and subject from the command-line,
but not an initial text
* a powerful mail app may well be able to handle multiple mail-related
tasks at once, and may well work better if you have a single copy of
it running. exec()ing a new copy to send some mail is slower and less
convenient than being able to tell the running app to open a compose
window.
So the idea of object-ifying programs amounts to defining interfaces for
programs to request services from each other, and standardizing these
interfaces for common tasks so that multiple programs can provide them
in a compatible way.
Add in a glue language, and the whole desktop is scriptable.
None of these are new ideas ...
--
Roger Espel Llima, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/espel/index.html
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From: Angelo Jerod Keresztes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: accidentally deleted /etc/modules
Date: 3 Mar 1999 18:10:48 GMT
hello, I am running Debian 2.2 and have the 2.2 kernel and somehow, I managed
to delete my /etc/modules file and now I can't get linux to boot up anymore
without a boot floppy. Is there a way that I can get linux to create that file
automatically, or will I just have to search and hope that I can figure out
which files belong in it?
thank you much
angelo
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From: Paul Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Matrox Mystique G200 AGP under XFree86
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:33:06 -0500
Hi Sean:
Does your X-window system work with the generic SVGA server? This may be the
best you can do until better servers come out. I've had problems with the S3 server.
Now I just use the SVGA server and everything works fine.
Paul Randall
Sean Prest wrote:
> I'm using a Daytek DT-1731D Monitor and a Mystique G200 AGP video card and now am
> running 3.3.3 of X and it still refuses to work. I've attempted to mess around
> with the XF86Config file but to no avail. If anyone could send me or post a
> config setup that works with either my monitor type or video card it would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> -Sean
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From: "Cris A. Fugate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux system failures
Date: 3 Mar 1999 05:35:13 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a dual boot system with Windows 95 and Linux (partitions in
that order). I find that I have to keep reinstalling Linux because of
various system failures on booting.
I cannot tell what the problem is because there are different symptoms
each time.
I can install the Linux system and everything I want. It boots
numerous times without
any problem. However it seems that when I use Windows 95 for a while
(several boots) that is when the nightmare happens. This has not always
been the case when
I did not have anything sophisticated on Windows, but now that I have
lots of multimedia stuff on Windows I cannot keep Linux for long.
Is there something malicious about Windows 95 or something running on
Windows 95
that could be responsible for this? I hate Windows, but cannot live
without it at this
time. If this has something to do with Windows maybe I will have to get
another
computer..
Cris A. Fugate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: gtk+ compile errors (1.1.9)
Date: 3 Mar 1999 05:31:31 GMT
Next time just paste the relevant parts. I would say you need to
download gettext. ftp.gnu.org I believe.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Isaacson)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: 3 Mar 1999 18:20:59 GMT
In article <7bis8h$2vv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
>OK. Let's have objects (not programs) as execution entities. Let's
>have them permanently available. A shell (for lack of a better word)
>that allows you to string objects together. You'd have an "editor
>object" that would be used for all editing functions, instead of
>a bunch of programs that have their own editors. I'd like to see
>a mail interface that can be dynamically constructed from available
>"objects": an editor, a mime handler, an information organizer, etc.
>It should be possible to construct a news reader from the same
>components, dynamically. Not a huge editor that does everything
>through LISP - more a computerized Lego.
What you're talking about here sounds somewhat like IBM's OS/400,
which runs on top of their AS/400 midrange server line. The entire OS
is an object-oriented database; when you create an object it resides
in "store", which might be memory or disk (or even tape I think). All
objects are persistent by default (or are trivially made so).
Unfortunately I don't actually know anything about the AS/400, never
having worked on one (just near people who did). There might be some
technical info available at www.as400.ibm.com.
-andy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G�rard Milmeister)
Subject: Re: FreeAgent for Linux
Date: 3 Mar 1999 18:44:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 3 Mar 1999 13:16:45 GMT, Charles H. Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:49:17 -0600, Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>BTW, how do you gee slrn in color in an xterm? I've seen screen shots
>>of this but I've never been able to get it to work.
>
I use an alias in zsh to color_xterm +sb -g 80x40 -e /usr/bin/slrn -C -m
Using slrn that way is as nice as any X based news reader.
--
G�rard Milmeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Tannenrauchstrasse 35
8038 Z�rich
Switzerland
+41 1 481 52 48
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From: Princess Confusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: need help installing RH5.2
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:34:16 -0600
i am attempting to do a hard drive install of RH 5.2 on my comp, but
after i create my partitions and then i'm prompted for the location of
the installation files (which are located on my dos partition), i enter
the path and i get an error message that says something like "error
opening directory." i'm certain that the path is correct. anyone have
any ideas on what the problem could be? my dos partition is packed.
the only thing i can think of is that maybe i don't have enough free
space to extract the packages. other than that i've not a clue.
anyone?
alicia
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From: Jeremy Nickolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ICQ in Linux
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 05:42:26 GMT
Joel Andrews wrote:
> I am running RedHat 5.2, with kernel 2.0.36, and am trying to get an ICQ
> program going for it.. has anyone succesfully gotten ICQ to work in
> Linux? If so, what version of ICQ (or copy) was it? And how did you go
> about installing it? I have tried the glib, and the gtk versions, but
> can't seem to get those libraries to compile properly, they always have
> errors at the end of the compile.. help!
>
> Joel
I am using KXicq, which needs the KDE libs...but it is very nice and
doesn't need a previous account.
Jeremy
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