Linux-Misc Digest #281, Volume #19 Wed, 3 Mar 99 13:13:18 EST
Contents:
Re: linux un Virtual PC on a Mac??? (Chad Cunningham)
Re: damn bastards (jik-)
Re: Public license question (Mark Mokryn)
Re: These newsgroups are riduculous... ("Duane Elmer Smeckert")
Re: Public license question (Mark Mokryn)
Re: win95 & linux (lilo) boot problems (Jason Kircher)
Re: AOL Instant Messanger (Tommy Willoughby)
Re: linux un Virtual PC on a Mac??? (mike mangino)
Passing Observation (SSAMOREZ)
Who is actually running Linux on IBM MOdel 80 PS2? (Bob Keys)
Re: ATI Mach64 and X-Windows. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: More bad news for NT (Tim Kelley)
Re: FreeAgent for Linux (Tim Kelley)
Re: Kernel 2.2.2 & xcdroast0.96e ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Chad Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: osu.sys.linux
Subject: Re: linux un Virtual PC on a Mac???
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:36:49 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was going to try the same thing. My problem was that I have a powerbook with no
floppy drive, and I couldn't get linux to install through virtual pc without
booting off a floppy. I didn't know that it wouldn't recognize the partition
after rebooting, I gave up to easily.
As to Rob's comment, the reason not to use LinuxPPC is because it does not
support the amount of software pc linux does. Some stuff you can get to compile,
but a lot is problematic unless you can port software. I myself have resigned to
waiting for rhapsody to get here. Should be any day now...
Paul Nevai wrote:
> Setup: Power Mac G3 [512Mb RAM] with System 8.5.1 [HFS+]
>
> I'd like to install linux on my Virtual PC and I found a set of instructions
> at http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/VPC/vpc_linux1.html. Alas, it doesn't work
> because after the repartition job [see below], VPC no longer recognizes the
> drive. Connectix was of absolutely no help [unfortunately].
>
> If you successfully installed linux on VPC, please help me out. I'd be very
> glad to contact you by phone or whatever so that you could enlighten me.
> Please respond by e-mail. Thanks. Best regards...Paul
>
> #############################################################################
> 8. First delete the whole DOS partition. You can use FIPS to compress the DOS
> partition, but it will make problem later. The key thing here is you
> must leave the first several sectors empty (something is wrong in
> hard drive emulation here), otherwise LILO (Linux loader) won't be
> installed successfully. Other partitions are normal, first is the
> major native Linux partition, second is the Linux swap partition and
> I set last 10 MB as a DOS partition.
>
> 9. I don't know you, but after finishing a write of the partition table
> (don't forgot to turn on native Linux and DOS partition bootable
> flag), I restart VPC. This is to ensure that even if some step goes
> wrong, you can always go back to DOS.
> #############################################################################
>
> Paul Nevai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dept Math - Ohio State University 1-614-292-5310 (Office/Answering Device)
> Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174, U.S.A. 1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
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Math-Stats Learning Center
Ohio-State University, Department of Mathematics
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"Power corrupts. Absolute power is pretty neat."
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: damn bastards
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:20:53 -0800
Mr. Tinkertrain wrote:
>
> (feel free to completely ignore and disregard this message)
>
> i hate those morons who say 'x-windows' instead of 'x-window'. ignorant
> fools.
What I think is really funny,...is with you getting all "THIS is the
right way and anything else is just stupid" you have reffered to the X
Window System as x-window...which is equaly as wrong as x-windows and
makes less sence. If your going to be a hardass about how people should
reffer to something,...try to be sure your reffering to it in the
correct manner...your not allowed to make mistakes when your being that
arogant.
> also, those dumbasses who say 'LIEnux' instead of 'LIHnux'... what the
> FUCK?! and you try to convince em that they've got it all wrong and
> they just won't listen... bastards. execute em all!!
Actually I call LEEnux but who gives a fuck? They probably don't listen
because you come off like a complete asshole. Who wants to listen to an
asshole?
>
> just my 2 cents. not that anyone should give a fuck or anything!
I assume your just trolling...wasting bandwidth showing off your
stupidity.
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From: Mark Mokryn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:26:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You want to be in some business, you do not want to give your trade
> secrets to anybody else, you want to keep closed source, you don't
> want anybody else to be able to port your software to other platforms
> you find strategically uncomfortable. In short, you want to do just
> as Microsoft does. Which may be fine, but why do you call yourself a
> community helper and good guy for it?
Yes, I would consider myself a Linux advocate by doing exactly the above type
of stuff. I would be helping Linux the same way a Windows programmer (not MS
employee) helps Microsoft - i.e. making the platform more popular, thus
showing its business viability, and thus encouraging more people to use it.
If someone advertises Linux for free, are they helping the Linux community?
Definitely. You would be correct in saying that a Windows programmer also
helps MS by buying the Windows license, something one does not need to do
with Linux. And this brings us to the main point: What does the Linux
community require from its users/programmers? I know what MS requires -
money. Does the Linux community require me to open up my stuff, even if it
contained ZERO GPL'ed code, but just #included it, linked with it, possibly
modified it and published the changes, etc? If so, then I would say that
Linux is an even more expensive platform than Microsoft. If a programmer
getting paid $60,000/year spent a year coding for Linux, this is the minimal
cost of his source code at the end of the year. I have yet to pay that amount
in MS licenses... But I don't know what the Linux community expects, because
the GPL is so !@^%$* vague. Intuitively, I would tell you that cutting and
pasting code and making the result proprietary is wrong. I would never
consider doing that with Linux, and of course it is impossible with
closed-source OS's. If it were up to me, and it of course ain't, this is the
only thing I would restrict outright. It is not clear to me what besides the
above is restricted by the GPL. I don't think Linux has anything to gain by
putting a gun to people's heads regarding their source code. Maintaining the
code as donated, rather than "give it to me or else", would help Linux far
more. People would feel much more comfortable about developing applications
for Linux. For example, check out this Gartner article for a specific warning
against developing business products based on Linux:
http://advisor.gartner.com/n_inbox/hotcontent/hc_2121999_3.html
> You want to base your business on Linux, fine. But for the sort of
> business you want to do, you need not feel like God's gift to
> programmers. You certainly can feel free to behave the Microsoft way,
> but I find it silly for you to demand that we would feel proud of you
> for it.
I am not god's gift, and I wish this discussion does not heat up to personal
attacks. As far as behaving like MS, it takes a lot more than creating
proprietary software. There are zillions of companies who do this, and make
an honest living. Proprietary software does not make one a monopoly, and a
monopoly is not created simply because your software is good. It is mostly
created by over-zealous marketing and stupid consumer (i.e. herd) mentality,
and this is not the subject of this discussion. In any case, I would gladly
contribute code to the Linux community, as long as it doesn't compromise a
strategic advantage I may have over companies like MS. BTW, in case you
care, this is a theoretical discussion - I have not yet developed anything
proprietary for Linux, and don't know if I ever will. But the recent buzz has
got me thinking about the implications of this so-called free OS.
-Mark
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From: "Duane Elmer Smeckert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: These newsgroups are riduculous...
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:41:09 -0800
>> > I can't believe out of the 8 questions I have posted in the above
listed
>> > newsgroups in the past 3 weeks (est.) that only 1 - ONE - has even
been
>> > responded to...
As a rule, anyone posting in more than one group at a time is
wasting the time of everyone and, IMHO, being rude to boot.
If a question is cross posted, it usually means that the person
posting it is on a soapbox (like me, sheesh, sorry!) or else
doesn't care to read the groups he is posting it in.
Try posting the question in one group and being patient.
Next, take this crap out of comp.os and into spam.
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From: Mark Mokryn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:39:07 GMT
In article <7bjh79$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William C. Cheng) wrote:
> If you wrote it entirely by yourself, you don't need to put your code
> under GPL (in order to run it under GPL). But if you cut and paste GPL'ed
> code into your software, link to a GPL'ed (but not LGPL'ed) library, etc.,
> then you can't choose not to put your code under GPL.
Since I'm sure Oracle links to *something* GPL'ed, some standard library,
perhaps #included some GPL'ed header file and use its macros, etc., then I
would expect anyday now to download Oracle source code... Certainly Microsoft
would *love* this...
-Mark
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From: Jason Kircher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: win95 & linux (lilo) boot problems
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:43:49 GMT
The method I am using right now is using loadlin. The way I do it,
however, is by setting up a boot menu in config.sys. When I ran Win98 and
used "Reboot to MS-DOS mode", my plug-and-play cards were messed up. The
thing here is that it really doesn't reboot the system - it just unloads the
GUI and the 32-bit drivers. What I did (at first, before I used a boot menu)
is held down Shift-F5 before "Starting Windows 98..." appears. This puts you
in DOS mode with no drivers, no nothing - I don't even think himem.sys is
loaded. From there I loaded Linux using loadlin.
The drawback that I don't like about LILO is that the kernel must be
located within the first 1024 cylinders of the hard drive. The only way to
guarantee that is to partition your drive with the first partition
encompassing just the first 1024 cylinders, and the rest of the drive as
another partition (apart from swap partitions, of course). Sloppy. Loadlin
lets me run any sound card "kicking" programs necessary before loading Linux,
ie programs that set the io addr, irq, etc. on plug-and-play Micro$haft cards.
Enough ranting. If you want to try sticking to Loadlin (recommended for
reasons given above), I recommend you make a boot menu in your config.sys
file, and modify your autoexec.bat file accordingly. For testing, you can
boot straight to DOS by holding down Shift-F5 before "Starting Windows 95..."
appears on your screen. I don't have enough experience with LILO to be of any
help there.
Michael Mc Cabe wrote:
> I am using win95 (on first partition) & suse 5.0 (on third partition
> dev/hda4) (second copy of win95 on second partition, fourth is extended)
> I currently boot from floppy
> in yast I have set up lilo to dev/hda4 (where linux is) booting from within
> the partition
> on reboot I get LILO up, then an error message telling me to reboot
> I have hidden all partitions except linux and tried again (same error)
> I have tried using partition magic as a boot manager still no joy
> I have tried LOADLIN from win95 and still get it wrong
>
> any help would be grateful
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:35:26 -0800
From: Tommy Willoughby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AOL Instant Messanger
Neil Zanella wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Has anyone managed to install AOL Instant Messanger for Linux?
>
I use TNT, which is a plug-in for GNU Emacs. I know more about
neuromuscular diseases than I know about Emacs, but even I can run TNT -
it's small, simple to set up, doesn't require me to add still another
piece of software to my system, and it works great.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mike mangino)
Crossposted-To: osu.sys.linux
Subject: Re: linux un Virtual PC on a Mac???
Date: 3 Mar 1999 04:15:23 GMT
What programs in particular are you having problems with. I've been able to get just
about everything to compile easily. If you're having a problem with something, let me
know and I'll make an RPM package of it for you..
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SSAMOREZ)
Subject: Passing Observation
Date: 3 Mar 1999 04:53:22 GMT
Hello , I was just reading some posts to this group. ( Just visiting ) . IMHO
....... A comparison of say...... Windows 98 OS and Linux OS -any version- is
like comparing apples to gyroscopes or something. There are drivers and there
are mechanics. Windows (MS) was designed by programmers for non-programmers.
Linux was designed by programmers for programmers.
nitros@(NOSPAM)bluevelvet.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Keys)
Subject: Who is actually running Linux on IBM MOdel 80 PS2?
Date: 1 Mar 1999 17:38:35 GMT
After 10 years of AIX, it may be time for an update on my aging PS/2
model 80 servers. I would like to hear from anyone actually using
Linux MCA ON IBM PS/2 model 80 machines with scsi or esdi controllers.
In particular what exact bootdisks and distributions are you using,
and where can I find them to make up a set of my own. Please, only
those folks actually running these machines respond. I have tried
many MCA disks, and they are all problematic. I would like to find
out what actually works on particular Model 80 machines.
Thanks
Bob Keys
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ATI Mach64 and X-Windows.
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:35:38 GMT
I have an ATI Graphics Xpression using the same chipset and went to the ATI
home page. They have some usefull info there. But if your card is like
mine, the best you can get is 8bpp at 640x480 because the current version of
the MACH64 Server does not support any higher for the card. That is
according to ATI Technologies.
Charles Chapman
PCHelp1
www.pchelp1.com
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article <7bevs8$6b7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My apologies if this is the wrong area to post, but being Misc, it seems
like
> it should be okay.
>
> Can anyone direct me to a page or resource
that will enable me to correctly
> install X-Windows using the Mach64 server?
>
> My system: a P133 with 32 MB of RAM, with a 2 MB ATI Mach64 video card.
The
> problem: when selecting a higher resolution, X-Windows reports that
there is
> no "mode" available.
>
> I am running Red Hat 5.2 (just recently
installed).
>
> So far, the only pages I found were in German.
>
> Again,
my apologies if I got the wrong group.
> If possible, to replies, send a CC
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks again.
> Leandro
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:40:31 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Max F Lang wrote:
>
> Tim Kelley wrote:
>
> > One particularly annoying thing about Netscape is that it is always
> > contacting my DNS server for no apparent reason. When I'm not connected
> > I can't use netscape because it will take forever to start ...
> >
> Before you start blaming Netscape too much, have you tried going into NS
> Prereferences then under Navigator, setting "Browser Starts with" either to
> "Blank Page" or to "Home Page" with your home page set to "Bookmarks.html"? That
> way NS doesn't try connecting to any external site.
Yeah - I'm not sure why Netscape does this; it doesn't do it on all the
machines I have. I didn't know this was what was going on until I
looked at the output of tcpdump and saw my machine was try to query my
DNS server, and it turned out Netscape was the culprit.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FreeAgent for Linux
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:49:17 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> It was the Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:35:51 -0600...
> ...and Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [newsreaders]
> > Are you saying GUI based, or CLI?
>
> Actually, lots of the character-based newsreaders actually are GUI.
> They use a character-based GUI. Take a look at slrn. It's not exactly
> what I'd call a command-line-controlled application, and it's very
> pretty. Yes, it hasn't got pull-down menus, but it works well without.
slrn is really nice when you've got SVGATextMode going. The best way in
linux is still to use leafnode to pull a local news spool (very easy to
do) and your reader of choice.
Agent is a great windows news reader, but unless they were to change the
way it works substantially (like putting the news spool in
/var/spool/news instead of /agent) it won't fit in under linux.
BTW, how do you gee slrn in color in an xterm? I've seen screen shots
of this but I've never been able to get it to work.
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Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Orleans, LA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.2 & xcdroast0.96e
Date: 3 Mar 1999 17:26:12 GMT
Volker Widor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: i had to recompile xcdroast (cdrecord) but after that it works fine
I tried that last night and got the same damn problem :(
However, I also got the following when I was mounting a CD in my SCSI CD-RW :-
bug: kernel timer added twice at c019d8cc. I didn't inverstigate any further
to see if this is related as it was getting late.
Thanks for the response.
IAP
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