Linux-Misc Digest #288, Volume #19 Wed, 3 Mar 99 22:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: best offline newsreader? (Christopher Browne)
Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused] (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Restricting su (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Richard E. Hawkins Esq.)
Xdm and NFS??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need Quake 2 help under Linux (Brandon)
How do I get the proper resolution in KDE (startx)? Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
How do I get the proper resolution in KDE (startx)? Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux SLOWER than win95? ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
Help with TI Extensa 570 Laptop & Linux ("Christopher R. Dorr")
Re: best offline newsreader? (William Cornett)
Re: serialdirect line (William Cornett)
Re: Passing Observation (bklimas)
Re: Can I have a shared modem in Lunux (Brad Kittredge)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion ("Mark Harrison")
Speed of accessing tousands of files in a directory? ("J. S. Jensen")
Re: REDHAT UPdates directory... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:40:55 GMT
On 3 Mar 1999 06:35:27 GMT, Michael Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kevin & Chelby Geiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: I can't find an off line news reader for linux whihc is as good!!!
>
>There's three options, with which I am aware of, although there may be
>others.
>
>1) I understand slrn has this capability, however I don't use
> it myself so I don't know.
slrn has an associated utility, slrnpull, which pulls news into a "news
spool" in much the same format traditionally provided by C-News.
It works real well.
>2) Use leafnode. This provides you the same "offline"
> functionality but lets you use just about any news reader you
> want to. It acts as a minature news server, but can be
> configured to only pull the headers from the groups you're
> interested in.
Leafnode kind of corresponds to slrnpull, except that:
a) It implements a simple NNTP news server, thus representing a
(very) stripped-down analogue to INN, rather than C-News.
This is arguably more useful than slrnpull, as virtually *any*
newsreader can speak NNTP, whereas those that "grok" news spools are
getting rarer over time.
b) Leafnode seems to be quite horrid in its use of disk I/O. Expiration
of news is a real "dog."
>3) Use INN coupled with something like newsx or suck.
... which involves a certain degree of complexity of configuration ...
4) Try the Simple News Server, s-news
<http://www.sylph.u-net.com/snews.html>
I haven't tried it yet, but it looks like it's a "scaled-up" equivalent
to Leafnode.
These aren't direct answers to the original question; they all represent
implementations of "proxies" of one sort or another that allow *any*
newsreader to be used "offline."
I'd order these in rough order of increasing complexity, 1), 2), 4), 3).
--
"The problem might possibly be to do with the fact that asm code written
for the x86 environment is, on other platforms, about as much use as a
pork pie at a jewish wedding."- Andrew Gierth in comp.unix.programmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/ipnntp.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused]
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:35:30 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:17:43 -0500...
..and Jeraimee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yup... that's great... I know... got the CVS of e and GNOME compiling now
> (hopefully).
>
> Still - is there a site or HOWTO (other than just adding the panel & to your
> ..x(whatever)) that'll talk more about GNOME and working with OTHER (than e)
> WMs?
>
> I like e, but until it's more stable I'll use WindowMaker for day-to-day
> stuff...
To run Gnome with a different window manager:
1. Use gnome-session to start Gnome up.
2. Terminate the window manager without terminating Gnome.
3. Start another window manager.
4. Terminate Gnome gracefully (i.e. via the panel logout button).
5. Restart Gnome.
6. The session management will now run the other WM.
Note that the Gnome session manager remembers which applications were
running when you last terminated Gnome.
mawa
--
[...] there was no region where American capital did not support local
labour. Moreover the American press, gramophone, radio, cinematograph
and televisor ceaselessly drenched the planet with American thought.
-- W. Olaf Stapledon, _Last_and_First_Men, 1931
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Restricting su
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:40:16 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:09:50 -0600...
..and Bryan Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do I restrict su to only certain users? Is there a different version
> of su available that has this feature, and if so, where would I get it.
> Linux newbie, please be gentle. :)
Your best bet would be to get one of the so-called `fascist'
implementations of su which let only the members of the `wheel' group
go root. Hm. Does BSD su support this feature?
mawa
--
The day-to-day travails of the Windows programmer are so amusing to
most of us who are fortunate enough never to have been one -- like
watching Charlie Chaplin trying to cook a shoe.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard E. Hawkins Esq.)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 3 Mar 1999 10:08:29 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Edward Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:
>>Hmm, and if we'd used the GPL, they could use it, but only if they also
>>had a president & bicameral congress, rather than Queen & parliament :)
>If you'd used the GPL, you'd have to grant people the freedom to make
>as many copies of banknotes as they wished :-(
Then we'd all be governments . . .
The term "greenback" here is now a slang term for money. But it's source
was derogatary, referring to paper not backed by "real" money (gold or
silver). (Union money in the civil war, iirc).
--
These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Xdm and NFS???
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:30:44 GMT
I've got this really weird problem with xdm that I can't figure out. I have
linux boxes (RH5.2) that I can start xdm in the inittab or manually,
everything works as expected, i.e., they user logs on the xdm login screen,
and the gui starts right up, fvwm2 or AfterStep or whatever, depending upon
what they've got in their home directories. However, I'm trying to setup
some remotebooting, diskless workstations. These have the exact same users,
and their home directories get mounted by NFS, and NIS works perfectly. But
in these, the /usr and /opt directories also are mounted by NFS. Okay, so if
I don't have xdm running, and joeuser logs in and starts X with startx, the
gui starts up just fine, everythings works great, just as if he were on the
NIS server where his home directory. If, though, xdm is running (and
everything else is the same), when joeuser logs in, all he gets is twm. Same
even if root logs in, and roots directory is, of course, local. So it's not
the NIS and NFS mounted /home/directories, it's got to be something weird
with the NFS mounted /usr directories. But what? One hint -- although I
don't know what to make of it -- is that as soon as I moved /usr to the boot
server and mounted it by NFS, startx also failed until I copied XF86Config
from /etc/X11/XF86Config to /etc/XF86Config. Which seems pretty weird to me.
Or actually I just linked /etc/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config. So
apparantly xdm can't find the right files to start fvwm2, but why not?
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:45:48 -0500
From: Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need Quake 2 help under Linux
Matthias wrote:
> > Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx
> >
> > I get this error for ./quake2 +set vid_ref soft, softx and gl. Please
> > help...
>
> Hi!
> Think you just installed the downloadable quake2 files for linux. (maybe
> about 10 megs?). of course you have to install the rest (200megs) from a
> quake2 CD by just copying the folder \install\data\ in your quake folder
> on your linux system.
>
or if u dual boot with win95/98 juust make links to the same files on ur
windows partition
Brandon
> greets Matthias
--
"Bill Gates?, I dont know any Bill Gates. Oh, you mean 'by putting every
conceivable
feature into an OPERATING SYSTEM, whether you want it or not, is innovation'
Bill
Gates? Yeah, I know the monopolizer."
http://web.mountain.net/~brandon/main.htm
For Beginners in Linux, Emulation, Midis, Playstation Info, Virii,
and to buy
books from barnesandnoble.com on any info that's on my site.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How do I get the proper resolution in KDE (startx)? Help
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:38:51 GMT
I installed Mandrake Linux 5.3 on my PCwith a ViewSonic E771 17 inch monitor
(max res = 1280x1040 at around 66 Hz). In the installation I spoecified my
monitor but when I booted KDE My monitor was in the right resolution but I
think it was at an incorrect frequency (I want to run KDE in 1024x768 at 87Hz
Non-Interlaced) but when KDE is started (startx command) I get a bunch of
staticky lines at thebottom of the screen+the middle with lots of flicker. I
know my monitor works fine because I just bought it 3 weeks ago and Windows98
works just fine in 1024x768 at 87Hz, My G3 PowerMac also ran redHat Linux
with KDE with this same monitor in my desired resolution (looked great). I
tried the Xconfigure --kickstart command and my config got set to 640x480 at
about 4bits. This is terrible. Please help me set my monitor confugurations
to my desired resolution 1024x768 at 87Hz... on a ViewSonic E771 17 inch
monitor with 16inch viewable area..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How do I get the proper resolution in KDE (startx)? Help
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:41:51 GMT
I installed Mandrake Linux 5.3 on my PCwith a ViewSonic E771 17 inch monitor
(max res = 1280x1040 at around 66 Hz). In the installation I spoecified my
monitor but when I booted KDE My monitor was in the right resolution but I
think it was at an incorrect frequency (I want to run KDE in 1024x768 at 87Hz
Non-Interlaced) but when KDE is started (startx command) I get a bunch of
staticky lines at thebottom of the screen+the middle with lots of flicker. I
know my monitor works fine because I just bought it 3 weeks ago and Windows98
works just fine in 1024x768 at 87Hz, My G3 PowerMac also ran redHat Linux
with KDE with this same monitor in my desired resolution (looked great). I
tried the Xconfigure --kickstart command and my config got set to 640x480 at
about 4bits. This is terrible. Please help me set my monitor confugurations
to my desired resolution 1024x768 at 87Hz... on a ViewSonic E771 17 inch
monitor with 16inch viewable area..
I have an Emachines 300Mhz K6-2 with ATI Rage IIc AGP chip on the motherboard.
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux SLOWER than win95?
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:32:44 -0600
Kill KDE. KDE is bloatware as much as anything on Win95. Compared to most,
if not all other window managers on *nix, it is the slowest. Try
WindowMaker if you want a nice, relatively lightweight Widnow Manager.
Tom Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Raf Meeusen wrote in message <920388676.988818@marvin>...
>I installed the latest Linux Mandrake (=Redhat+KDE) on a P60 with 16meg
ram.
>I use a swap partition of 70 Mb.
>
>But it is much slower than my windows 95.
>Is this normal?
>Is there a way to speed it up?
>(like recompiling the kernel)
>
>
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From: "Christopher R. Dorr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with TI Extensa 570 Laptop & Linux
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:38:55 -0500
Hello!
I've been trying to setup a Texas Instruments Extensa 570 CDT laptop with
Linux and XFree86, and have been having extensive difficulties in
configuring X to work with my graphics card and monitor. Here are the system
specs: Pentium 100, 40 MB RAM, 1.2 G HDD, partitioned into 200MB DOS, 900 MB
Linux native, 100MB Linux swap, Cirrus Logic video, 1 MB video RAM, 800x600
active matrix LCD video, random PC card stuff, swappable Torisan 6x CD &
1.44 FD. I'm attempting to use Open Linux 1.3 out of the box. I think
Xfree86 on this is 3.2.x.
The linux command line works fine. The install went fine. I've read the
stuff on the net about setting this config up, and have tried copying a
supposedly working XFree86 config file (the video synchs and chipset stuff),
but to no avail. The problem is that no matter what I set the monitor to in
XF86Setup, it either crashes the machine (turning the screen a weird shade
of gray, and forcing a hard reboot - no terminal switching), or loads in
what appears to be 400x320 (or something like that - the cursor is *huge*,
all text is greatly magnified, and most of the stuff is off the screen).
I've tried using the SVGA and VGA16 servers, and tried just about everything
on the monitor settings.
I'm not terribly experienced with Linux yet (although I do have a pretty
extensive background in other OS's), so this may be a fairly newbie
question. If anyone is running Linux on this kind of machine, I would
greatly appreciate hearing about it. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris Dorr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Cornett)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 3 Mar 1999 14:26:51 GMT
On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 07:52:18 GMT, Micha� Kuratczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Kevin & Chelby Geiss wrote:
: >Please tell me there is something as good for linux!!!
: I use slrnpull to fetch news, and slrn to read. This is very comfortable
: way to read news off-line.
This is the best combination I've found also. I use cron to start
slrnpull after 3 a.m. and again at 5 a.m. in case the server is down the
first time. If you're short on disk space you can set the messages to
expire in 3-4 days if you wish, and run slrnpull --expire to delete
them. I've found that this is even faster than using Agent 1.5 because I
don't have to bother marking headers. With a 56K modem it doesn't take
but 15 minutes or so to pull down 6 groups according to my log. The
configuration file is /var/spool/slrnpull/slrnpull.conf.
I tried leafnode using the delaybody option. With this option, leafnode
only retrieves headers, then the headers can be marked using any
newsreader. The problem I found is that after going back online to get
the headers, there's no indication to show which headers have been
retrieved or no way that I know of to seperate the header-only messages
from the header & body messages other than manually marking them read.
--
Remove the period from my email address to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Cornett)
Subject: Re: serialdirect line
Date: 3 Mar 1999 14:26:50 GMT
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:57:53 GMT, Petr Cizmar wrote:
: I have Linux Red Hat 5.1, and I'm trying to connect a terminal (like
: winterminal, or a DOS terminal through COM1 direct-line. But I don't know,
: how to invoke mgetty in /etc/inittab. I tried agetty -L 19200 ttyS0 but it
: only prints login message, but then it's dead. Does anyone have a
: functioning version of initab?
2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -h 115200 ttyS2 vt100
In your case the port will be ttyS0.
Use the highest baud rate you can because file transfers will be much
quicker. I use the lrzsz package (zmodem protocol). To send a file from
the host type 'sz filename'. To send to the host, just 'rz'. Best to set
automatic zmodem on the client communications program, if that option is
available.
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From: bklimas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Passing Observation
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 06:46:42 GMT
SSAMOREZ wrote:
> Hello , I was just reading some posts to this group. ( Just visiting ) . IMHO
> ....... A comparison of say...... Windows 98 OS and Linux OS -any version- is
> like comparing apples to gyroscopes or something. There are drivers and there
> are mechanics. Windows (MS) was designed by programmers for non-programmers.
> Linux was designed by programmers for programmers.
> nitros@(NOSPAM)bluevelvet.com
Could be. More likely, Windows 98 was designed by business people to make
money while programers designed Linux for flexibilty, productivity and fun.
Anyway, I am a non-programer, use Linux and am happy with it.
Visit this link on our family hompage:
http://www.magma.ca/~bklimas/FAQ.htm#why_linux
Best regards,
s.k.
p.s. don't try to eat gyroscopes or navigate with apples :-) .
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From: Brad Kittredge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Can I have a shared modem in Lunux
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:24:01 -0800
You sound like a perfect candidate for IP Masquerading. Check your
documentation. You might have to recompile your kernel, but there is
plenty of information around to help you. I'm using it, and it works
fine.
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Aaron Dershem wrote:
> Can I set up a home network and put the modem in the Linux server, but have
> a Win98 machine use the modem on a dial-on-demand system? I'd like to call
> my ISP using Win98, but have the modem on the Linux server. Does that make
> sense? I'm using RH 5.2, if that helps any.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron Dershem.
>
>
>
>
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From: "Mark Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:13:49 +0800
Stefan Skoglund wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Mach can easily supports multiple OS at the same time ie it possible
>to implement OS/360 on an PC for example. Seeing the same machine
>running UNIX and OS/360 could be real fun.
Nixdorf did this for their IBM-compatible mainframes in the early 1980's.
It was done in their Dallas office. The project was chartered to produce
a text processing system. The project leader proposed using an existing
nicely featured system called "troff". All that was necessary was to
port some support software (called "unix") to provide an operating
for the text processor.
They had a really neat 3270 terminal interface and full-screen version
of ed. (both of these done by my former boss, Rick Cline)
FWIW,
Mark.
=====================================================================
Mark Harrison
AsiaInfo Computer Networks http://usai.asiainfo.com:8080/
Beijing, China / Santa Clara, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "J. S. Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Speed of accessing tousands of files in a directory?
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:17:04 -0700
We have a filesystem connection (NFS/SMB/whatelese) into an AS/400
library that contains 430,000+ different file entries.
I plan on doing something like this (not a UUOC is it? :-):
foo is a \n delimited list of all files on which we will operate. There
might be 3000 lines.
for i in `cat foo` ; do
operate $i
done
Will there be a problem with the command line length if there are 3k
lines in foo?
Would:
while read ; do
operate ${REPLY}
done <foo
be better? The for contruct seems to work in bash in Linux, even
upwards of 7k, but seems to just hang on an old AIX bourne shell.
Another question for filesystem experts though, when I call my `operate'
on a small set of 430k+ files, will the shell take an indecently long
time to search the directory inodes?
I can do this with 20k+ 0 byte files? I don't yet have the filesystem
available to me to test, but also don't have the resources to produce
the 430k 50-300kb files.
Any guesses?
--
J. S. Jensen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.Paramin.COM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: REDHAT UPdates directory...
Date: 03 Mar 1999 09:36:47 -0500
A James Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> If I have downloaded all of the updates for 5.2, is it possible to swap
> these with the ones on the CD to make an updated distro? Or is the FTP
> distribution already updated?
yup. what you need to do is
copy it all to hard drive (be sure to preserve perms and symlinks - cp -a
should do the trick)
remove the old rpm files, and copy in the updates
cd to the top level of the install structure
run
misc/src/install/genhdlist `pwd`
and you're all set to create the image. note that genhdlist will segfault
if there are any non rpm files in RedHat/RPMS/ dir.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.1 i586 | at public servers
Woody: Hey, Mr. Peterson, Jack Frost nipping at your nose?
Norm: Yep, now let's get Joe Beer nipping at my liver, huh?
-- Cheers, Feeble Attraction
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: 03 Mar 1999 09:30:00 -0500
Sergio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Im not really sure if this discussion will take you anywhere, after all
> if you have a net card you already have a component with unique identity
> (mac number) which can be used to track you with a simple "arp".
iff you're on the same local subnet, with no routers inbetween. not to
mention the mac address can be overriden easily enough. and the fact that
the millions of people who just dial up via ppp/slip don't even have an
ethernet card.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.1 i586 | at public servers
Woody: Hey, Mr. Peterson, Jack Frost nipping at your nose?
Norm: Yep, now let's get Joe Beer nipping at my liver, huh?
-- Cheers, Feeble Attraction
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