Linux-Misc Digest #326, Volume #19 Sat, 6 Mar 99 05:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Cut and Paste (fred smith)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (brian moore)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (mlw)
BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux Wannabe: which distribution? ("Bill")
Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5? (Rod Roark)
Re: best offline newsreader? ("Richard Latimer")
Re: best offline newsreader? ("Richard Latimer")
Re: NEWBIE - SOUND (Peter Granroth)
Re: StarOffice anyone?? (Jeff Steinkamp)
Recording with kernel 2.2.2 and Creative SB 64 PCI ("Michael Schmeing")
Format of /etc/hosts.lpd ? (Klaus-Dieter Moeller)
Downloading Slackware from Network (Francesc Guasch)
X server for NT 4.0 ("Michael Shoemaker")
V.90 ISA modems for Linux (Andrew Comech)
Re: Adjust time drift? (Stef)
linux users group in Ham,on,ca (dragon)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:36:44 GMT
nick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On the Solaris machines I used to work with, we used the copy and paste
: keys on the keyboard to move text between the terminal and texteditor
: (say for saving compilation output). With my PC of course I dont have
: those keys. I can use the middle mouse emulation to copy in a Bash shell
: but cant paste to a texteditor. How do I set up my desktop to enable me
: to cut and paste between a Bash shell and Textedit??
I past into text editors all the time. What editor are you using?
I'm using elvis (vi clone, though not the one Red hat ships). If you're
using some vi clone, just make sure you are in 'insert' mode when you
do the paste operation.
Fred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 5 Mar 1999 03:13:44 GMT
On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:50:56 +0000,
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know which is better, FreeBSD or Linux, but I think we can all
> agree that these two collectively kick Windows' ass. Here are the areas
> in which FBSD & Linux are better than Windows:
Except for license differences, most of the differences between the BSD's and
Linux (or the BSDs and each other) are as relevant as the various "Which
distribution is best?" junk.
The BSD's and Linux are all fine systems.
> * Multitasking -- Windows 98 multitasking is still a joke. However, M$
> claims that UNIX still isn't as sophisticated as Windows when it comes
> to threading and running threaded apps. Maybe, but the multitasking
> isn't nearly as good as in FreeBSD or Linux. It's better than Windows
> 3.1's "multitasking", but what OS doesn't have better multitasking than
> Windows 3.1?
MS also plays games here and redefines terms. Each program is a 'thread' in
their world. With Unix, the process model is very deeply ingrained and they've
gotten good at it: it's highly optimized and most of the time forking is pretty
cheap.
(Note the Linux kernel thread implementation is just a fork with memory not set
to copy-on-write. That is, after all, what a thread is.)
> Here are some areas in which Windows is still better than FBSD and
> Linux:
>
> * better books on programming, systems programming, etc. I don't think
> there's any books out there on specifically programming for FreeBSD
> (although Stevens' book might be close).
Why specific? Most Unix books (especially Stevens') are general enough to
cover a good variety of flavors and cover them well. Certainly there are a lot
of really crappy "fad of the week" programming books on Unix, but then, the
same could be said of Windows books. There are also wonderful creations liks
Stevens' Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment (a bit dated, perhaps, in
some of the specifics, but the specifics don't matter for most.)
> * Microsoft Office is less bloated than Star Office.
Well, I don't use either. :)
WP8 was reasonably zippy to start, though. It impressed me, though most of my
needs are met with vi, since I don't do much word processing and certainly no
spreadsheets and such.
> I wonder if Charles Petzold ever did any UNIX/X11 programming? He
> probably did, but won't admit it in public. He's got this image of "Mr.
> Windows Programmer", so he probably doesn't want to destroy that image.
> I wonder if Charlie is interested in writing a book on "Programming
> FreeBSD-current"? That would be neat! ;-)
Why not Stevens? He's a damned fine writer and even supports his books on
Usenet, answering questions about them.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:24:16 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 02:39:50 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony D. Tribelli)
> wrote:
>
> >Mircea ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> >: Absolutely right ...
> >
> >In end result but not in how to get there. :-)
> >
> >: ... I remember, back in the eighties, about a program in
> >: x86 assembler that I had found in some magazine, and spent a whole
> >: afternoon typing in, that switched the 286 in protected mode, printed a
> >: message on the screen, and went back to real mode, all this w/o any
> >: apparent reboot, although a cpu reset was required to switch from
> >: protected to real mode. This was just a demo for the "new" operating
> >: mode of the 286. Maybe I can find it again in the piles of magazines I
> >: have!
> >
> >
> >Please do so. I don't believe you'll find an undocumented reset
> >instruction. You will probably find code that sets up BIOS to do a warm
> >boot and then asks the keyboard controller to reset the CPU. Later methods
> >used special I/O ports and multiple CPU faults.
> >
> >Tony
> >--
> >------------------
> >Tony Tribelli
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> actually, what this "undocumented" reset is is simply diliberately
> creating a triple fault. the cpu can catch a double fault and recover
> but the cpu resets under a triple fault situation. the code placed at
> the restart point is aware of what happened and gracefully recovers as
> if just switching back to real mode. just like has been explained.
>
> if you want the code, get your old dos 5 disks out and debug himem.sys
> since extended memory is only accessable in protected mode, himem.sys
> was constatnly swaping back and forth.
>
> tng
>
I doubt you will find it in himem.sys. It is my understanding that it
only uses the DMA controller to copy memory between extended and real
mode.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 08:24:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I hope this posting will be of general interest to anyone interested
in Linux on notebooks.
My background with installing Linux is with my two home networked
PC workhorses, and on three different Dell notebooks at work for my
co-workers. Also have been reading the various writeups on the Linux
Laptop page and the HOWTO page (for newcommers), *however* I'm still
having trouble deciding which laptop to buy for my firewall/security
consulting practice. The issue is one of HW compatability mostly...
>From looking at the 16 page printout of compatable notebooks it looks
like Linux will run on almost anything, but I have seen the weirdnesses
with certain PCMCIA cards, like the combined Dell (56K modem + 10/100
Ethernet) cards. I have read about the problems with AMD processors
and installations. I know not to get a notebook with a WinModem.
So far I've been thinking about IBM ThinkPads, Compaqs, and of course
the mighty Dells (I love Dells but find them a tad pricy). Some
questions:
Do those really cheap, but fast AMD processor based notebooks Frys
sells work o.k. or are they problematic? The attraction is a
$1400 pricetag VS the $2200 for a comparable Dell.
The postings I read from the Laptop/Linux homepage were mostly a few
years old. will Linux and XFree86 run o.k. on the IBMs and Compaqs?
Is it worth it to spend the extra $1000 to get a Dell? Do they really
take more abuse, have less downtime, etc.
Bottom line I need strong compatability with both Linux and Windoze XX
(needed for writing those Security Policies, and running spreadsheets for
storing data usefully). I need the PCMCIA Ethernet and modem card(s) to
work with Linux. Don't want to have to hunt down drivers for certain
obscure new HW. I also *really* like the Synaptics touchpad and favor
notepads which have it, how is that driver written for Linux on notebooks?
Does anyone have any recomendations, that meet all these diverse needs?
I hope to spend less than $2000.
TIA, David
David Hawley - President
UNIX & NT Network Security, LLC
www.concentric.net/~drhawley
408-946-4110
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From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Linux Wannabe: which distribution?
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:39:34 -0800
I'm really eager to get started installing and using Linux, about installing
and using which I know just about nothing. My friend gave me a CD he had
put together with Debian on it, and even installed Debian on my SCSI hard
drive, but he forgot to include my Initio SCSI controller in the kernel so I
can't boot. He downloaded a new item (module? patch? kernel version?) which
definitely supports this SCSI controller but mistakenly figured to mount it
later instead of including it at the boot so it can be used then. I doubt I
have said this exactly right so I hope you can understand what I'm trying to
convey. Another problem is that Lilo isn't configured and placed.
And when I try to figure out how to do these things, I discover many of the
readme and installation information files are apparently corrupted (they
won't display in Windows Notepad or Word Pad), perhaps by the CDR process,
although other CD's he's made work fine. So I guess I'm on my own and will
have to erase what my friend has done and start over.
I spent a couple of hours reading Linux books in Barnes & Noble today. I'm
sold on trying Linux, but can't seem to figure out whether to go for
Slackware or Red Hat, both of which had several good books with CDROM's
included. Or Debian, which my friend has chosen and recommended but Debian
wasn't specifically dealt with in any of the books I could find.
Or should I just start out with the Moron's Guide or the Idiot's Guide to
Linux?
I really would appreciate anyone's recommendation or helpful information.
Thanks very much. Since my mail server is not reliable, I'd appreciate an
email copy of your reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5?
Date: 5 Mar 1999 03:27:48 GMT
Benny K.Y. Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>as subject.....
>if "yes", do they plan to migrate to glibc?
The current Slackware release (3.6) includes both libc5 and glibc.
-- Rod
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From: "Richard Latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:45:00 -0800
Stan Barr wrote in message ...
>Yes, but I have no desire look at pictures or play sounds......
That's my point. Unix users apparently are quite happy with
the console and plain text. The rest of the world has moved
on to other things.
To move out of the server closet and onto the desktop, Linux
will really need to offer the features that Windows users take
for granted.
>Anyway my system gets the newsgroups in the middle of the night so
>that its all waiting for me to read over my breakfast coffee, who
>wants to wait around for stuff to download ;-)
If it works for you, that's great. Your personal worth is in no way
compromised. However, your contentment means there is one
less person participating in the development that would/will make
Linux a success on the desktop.
If you are a knowledgeable Linux user, then you are a resource
that is needed for that development.
Have you ever used a Win95/98 system?
richard
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From: "Richard Latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:03:22 -0800
Matthias Warkus wrote in message ...
>..and Richard Latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Few in the Unix world seem to have noticed all of that stuff
>> whizzing in and out of the world's servers:
>
>-all of which is not exactly useful or appreciated-
I don't really know what you mean. The worth and utility of the
content being served up would depend on the needs of the
people producing it and consuming it. If you have no personal
use for it, it doesn't mean that the content is valueless.
>Hah. You believe the fairy tale about quickly getting a plugin you
>haven't got? ROTFL.
Actually, I downloaded every plugin that was ever offered to me
and I never experienced any trouble whatsoever. There was no
need to untar, make configure, parse the makefile to see why
my include files weren't being found, download missing libraries,
make install, start the beast up and read a HOWTO to figure out
how to get it configured.
I upgraded Internet Explorer twice from the web, which was a large
install. I only had to punch a few buttons and fill in the blanks for
name and organization with Bill Gates and Microsoft, and I was
done.
>> Browsers,
>
>Such as Netscape?
Netscape for Linux is very sad. The SmartUpdate features are
not available. The toolbar comes up in two colors. The plugin pages
at Netscape are full of Windows plugins but have only about 15 or
so plugins for Linux. Shift-click to help its obtuseness. The fonts
are crappy. The gui interface is big, bulky. The RealPlayer plugin
cannot play the new Real content. Web pages do not look nearly
as good as they do under Windows, or even under KDE with its
attenuated browser.
Go to a Windows box and tour a bunch of popular Windows sites,
then go to a Linux box and visit the same sites with Netscape and
you will see what I mean.
>> ware, online banking capable software, self-updating software...
>
>Hm. You mean, rpmfind?
Haven't tried it. The pages at w3 do not seem to be current. I can
usually find newer versions poking around the web by myself.
I find that rpms require an aweful lot of thought. If your new rpm
upgrade was not packaged correctly to upgrade your old rpm you
are courting trouble. initscripts and initscripts-rhcn are not the same
beast to rpm. You may end up with both installed and mixed.
Libraries are another problem. Will the rpm remove all of your
earlier libraries or just add the newer versions. Should you
--nodeps --force?
Under Windows you don't have to make these decisions. I have
never experienced a software installation failure under Windows.
Getting rid of a Windows app and reverting to an earlier version
is another story.
>> From the discussions that take place in these newsgroups, it
>> seems that the average unix user hasn't any idea what can be
>> done with Windows desktop software.
>
>It seems like you haven't got any idea about what can be done
>with Unix software
I have 10 CDs of Linux software, including 2 full distributions. They
present a pretty full picture of what is available for Linux and what
is lacking. The standard X apps are especially sad on a Windows
pc. About two-thirds of the content is useless to the average
desktop user. The remaining third is a configuration nightmare.
=======
Basically I am writing about culture. Unix is now pretty much what
it has always been for twenty years. Knowledgeable unix users are
quite content with it. HOWTOs, running configuration files thru
macro processors, and setting up news servers to read news-
groups with a console app seem perfectly reasonable to unix
users.
This isn't going to fly with Windows users. They may be attracted
by the media hoopla, but once they get a taste of the Linux desktop,
they aren't going to stay.
This is the fault of the unix community, they are just not interested in
what has been going on around them. They too easily accept a
culture that is now backward and out of date.
Belittling people who are not willing to accept this culture does not
help linux. It only assures the continued relegation of unix to the
server closet.
> - and that your are a troll.
This really doesn't cut it anymore. After observing a group of old
ladies of little integrity and dubious personal worth attack another
man lacking the same qualities for about a year, name calling and
story telling have lost their utility.
Your comment is arrogant because it assumes that I value you
enough as a person to care about your opinion of me. I do not
know you and prefer not to make a judgment.
You would do well not to write similar comments again.
richard
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From: Peter Granroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NEWBIE - SOUND
Date: 05 Mar 1999 16:57:38 +0100
"j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi
>
> Can't get my AWE32 to work - can any1 help?
>
[snip]
you didn't tell what kernel version you are using, but at least if you
are using 2.2.x, there are instructions how to compile the kernel for
awe32 support in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/AWE32 (don't know
about 2.0.x kernels).
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+ http://193.10.242.45 +
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From: Jeff Steinkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: StarOffice anyone??
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:20:15 -0700
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999, Craig wrote:
>I DL'ed and installed StarOffice recently (that part seemed to go fine), but
>now I can't seem to get the program to start. The README says to execute
>the script /Office50/bin/soffice, but I've had no luck. The Stardivision
>web site doesn't seem to have a lot of help docs up. Any ideas? I am also
>trying to figure out how to create icons for it in Afterstep.
>thanks,
>Craig Shields
Craig
How did you install, as root or as a user. according to the manual you should
install the thing as a user. To execute the thing go to your home directory
then exectute the script /Office50/bin/soffice. That should work. As for
afterstep, I gave up on that and went to KDE, works much better.
Jeff Steinkamp
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From: "Michael Schmeing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Recording with kernel 2.2.2 and Creative SB 64 PCI
Date: 05 Mar 1999 10:21:33 +0100
Hello,
I have recently installed a Creative Soundblaster 64 PCI with ES1371
sound-chip. No I have a question:
How is it possible to record sound from the mic-in jack with this
card?
wavrec just does nothing at all, it seems to wait for ever even if it
has a timeout given. I have set the recording source to the mic jack
of course.
I use SuSE-Linux 6.0 with kernel 2.2.2.
Any help welcome,
Michael
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e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Klaus-Dieter Moeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Format of /etc/hosts.lpd ?
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:26:09 GMT
I want to give each PC in a LAN access to our network printer. Is it
really necessary to list each PC with the FQD name in /etc/hosts.lpd or
are
there any wildcards like in /etc/hosts.allow ?
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From: Francesc Guasch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Downloading Slackware from Network
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:29:07 +0100
so I went to my nearest mirror and downloaded it and burned a CD.
It all went fine till it started reading the disks sets, I could
say what sets I wanted but when It seems it was calling pkgtool
it didn't started because it complained that couldn't find disk set a
I tried mounting the cdrom on a directory and it happened the same.
How can I install the net slackware ?
I have installed it many times without problems from the CDs.
Don't tell me to use another distribution,that's not the issue.
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From: "Michael Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X server for NT 4.0
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:39:08 -0600
Do any of you know of an xserver that will run on NT 4.0?
Michael Shoemaker
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Insight Technology Group
http://www.insight-tech.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:46:48 -0500
From: Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: V.90 ISA modems for Linux
Hi everybody,
I've been trying to track internal V.90 ISA modems which would
work under Linux; if you are looking for such things --
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem
***But please use your own judgement; I do not guarantee anything***
So far, I found nothing below $40; please post a reply if you know
something.
Cheers,
Andrew
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From: Stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adjust time drift?
Date: 5 Mar 1999 19:48:24 +0100
: And what it has that xntp does not is control of the real time clock, so
: that if you switch off your machine, when it comes on again it has a
: good approximation of the real time, even if the RTC is out. Since your
: RTC could be hours out, xntp would refuse to fix the wrong time, while
: chrony would have predicted it and compensated.
OK, you convinced me to try out crony at home!
Thanks
Stef
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ETH Zurich
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From: dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux users group in Ham,on,ca
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:36:57 GMT
Hey. Dragon here. We are starting a new users group in Hamilton, On,
Canada. All linuxheads please e-mail me as we would love to start sharing
knowledge.
Thanx!
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