Linux-Misc Digest #326, Volume #25 Thu, 3 Aug 00 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Starting with Windows or Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
Re: at&t lex (ed)
Windows too big... ("Hiawatha Bray")
Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it (J Bland)
Re: corrupt partition? (Chem-R-Us)
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Netscape Mail Problem (Boddhisatva Troutwaxer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Starting with Windows or Linux
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:48:47 GMT
Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am just learning linux so i need to get into windows for other files
> how can i start my computer with a choice of linux or windows?
Well, you can "dual boot" which involves installing both Win-XX
and Linux on the same hard drive, and using a boot loader (like LILO)
to choose between the OS's.
But the easiest way is to buy a drive tray that allows you
to remove the drive from the front and pop in another one. Such
a device is cheap. Then you can have Linux on one drive and
Win-XX on the other. Just swap them out when you want to change.
-Phil
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:14:31 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >John Hasler wrote:
> >> blowfish writes:
> >> > Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to keep
> >> > their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
> >> > contributors- in my fscking opinion.
> >>
> >> I retain the right to license my code to any one I choose under any terms I
> >> choose whether I release it under the GPL or the BSD license or any other
> >> free software license. The terms of the license do not bind the author.
> >>
> >> > I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again.
> >>
> >> First go study up a bit on copyright.
> >
> >I will. I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related,
> >but in arts.)
>
> You, as author, automatically have rights to copy the material as you
> please.
>
Yes. But still you have to file for copyrights before you can be legally
protected under the law.
Write to your local government printing office, get the booklet, it'll
costs you a few dollars for the booklet on how to do it.
> The critical point is that the GPL does not make any claim to apply to
> the author.
>
No. I'm *not* talking about GNU-GPL here.
> The way that the GPL _would_ apply to you would be if you transferred
> exclusive copyright over to, let's say, the FSF.
>
I'm talking about pure commercial work.
> <http://gcc.gnu.org/fsf-forms/assignment-instructions.html> describes
> this process; while the default assignment _is_ of exclusive
> copyright, the grantor has the right to get back a non-exclusive
> copyright given written notice:
>
> "Upon thirty days' prior written notice, the Foundation agrees to
> grant me non-exclusive rights to use the Work (i.e. my changes and
> enhancements, not the program which I enhanced) as I see fit; (and
> the Foundation's rights shall otherwise continue unchanged)."
>
> Note that the _as I see fit_ part is what specifically allows you to,
> even after the assignment, do _whatever you want_ with the software,
> except, of course, for taking back the copy rights that were assigned
> to the FSF.
I'm talking about pure commercial work, where I, as the creator and the
copyrights owner, have the *absolute* sayings, in what can, and what not
can be use with my work, and not without my specific permission, and/or
additional payments to me.
ANY changes *must* be approved by me before anything can be carry out.
And any additional usage, regardless of media, or longer than the time
frame, the geographical location, or even translated to a different
language, as specified in the original contract, are all require
additional payment.
And any delay of payments are subjected to additional interests charges.
Sorry. There's *no free beer or free lunch* in reality.
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the psychology of linux and the hacker ethos
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:18:29 -0700
shawn wrote:
>
> Greetings to one and all,
> Now, I dont really know how to approach this subject, but... well Im
> having trouble with my whole learning
> process. I possess no great love of an operating system that crashes
> frequently, which is the main driving force for my learning linux as
> opposed to using Windows. Other than that though I have very little
> motivation. This problem also plagues my quest to learn a programming
> language, ANY programming language... Ive tried to learn c, c++, perl,
> python, even HTML causes me to stumble and turn into a vegetable...
> these things seem to me like lack of motivation, or laziness, or perhaps
> im am just not at the right age to start cramming all of these things
> into my cranium. I know this is a bit off-topic, and also that its not
> really a question one can answer in concrete terms, but im making this
> call out to all listening; my path to linux is obscured, show me the
> light!
So who says you have to program? The Linux universe is loaded with
programmers. Many incredibly talented and experienced. If it's not
for you, so be it.
What the (Free|Opensource) world needs as much as programmers is
* Bug hunters. There are *always* more bugs hiding somewhere, waiting
for the diligent hunter to track them down and point them out to the
bitsmashers.
* Writers. Especially writers. Really, really, REALLY especially
writers who are totally new to Linux and open software and can see
it with new eyes AND KEEP NOTES ON WHAT THEY LEARN. Document your
discovery of Linux. Read the HOWTOS (which are barely tolerable),
grok their inadequacy, AND FIX IT.
Boy, howdy, do we need people who can write about Linux from the new
user's point of view.
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From: ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: at&t lex
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:30:06 GMT
The compatibilty problems are rather detailed and lengthy. What I am doing
is porting an aircraft simulation from an AIX system to a Linux box. There
is, basically, a "command line interpreter" written on the AIX system to
run automatic tests to check the validity of the simulation. This
interpreter takes data/script files and set various nmemonics to
begin/control the simulation model. It is built via lex/bison and though
it compiles and builds on the Linux box with flex/bison, it does not run
correctly. I have not spent much time identifying all the incompatibility
issues, but the redefinition of input and unput are easily identifiable
examples. The resulting code is difficult to follow and very much
different. It would probably be easier to develope a new interpreter from
scratch, than to identify all the incompatibilities.
Thanx,
ed
Thomas Dickey wrote:
>
>
> ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I have tried the "-l" option, it does not make it compatable
enough
> > though. And yes, Linux does accept the "lex" command, but it is only a
> > link to "flex".
>
> what sort of compatibility problems?
>
> (the only ones I've noticed have been bugs in lex - or old versions of
flex)
>
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From: "Hiawatha Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Windows too big...
Date: 03 Aug 2000 05:36:24 GMT
I'm using Gnome and Enlightenment, and a 15-inch monitor. Some of my
windows don't fit on the screen. They spill over. But it's not one of
those virtual screen deals...I can't scroll down past the bottom of the
screen to get to the rest of the window. How can I set it so all my windows
are sized to fit inside my monitor? Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it
Date: 3 Aug 2000 01:04:18 GMT
>You'd like that wouldn't you? Sorry to disappoint you, but KDM
>failing is hardly a reason for me to leave. In fact, I quite like
>some aspects of Linux. Other aspects aren't quite there yet, IMO,
>like a large selection of software for one thing.
All depends what software you want. There's tonnes of choice in some
areas, it's merely a small area of desktop apps like decent graph plotters
and games (IME, such conceptions of software availability are subjective)
that are lacking. I do everything now from linux, from my point of view it
doesn't lack anything much, for some people it's really not the right choice
at all.
>> Or, could it be the fact that the Windows kernel is a one-size-fits-all
>> solution, with no specific optimizations for the hardware the OS sits on?
>> Could it have anything to do with the fact that your Linux kernel just
>> might not have support enabled for your specific IDE controller in order
>> to enable DMA?
>
>Nope. That's not it. Try again. The Promise driver is already in
>there.
Linux kernels can be told to enable DMA by default or left to the user to
decide to enable it, just like any other. Your distributer will most likely
not set this, so that the install doesn't go up the spout for an unnecessary
reason.
>> >Linux doesn't enable it half the time when it IS supported. So, you can't
>> >trust it. You end up trying hdparm anyways.
No, Linux does enable it in the following logical manner:
If it is supported and the kernel is set to use it by default (or you pass a
hardware parameter to your kernel), it is turned on at boot up.
If the driver is considered to be stable for your chipset it is turned on.
This perhaps the fuzziest option. I'm not even sure if that's how it works
but it seems to be.
If you tell it with hdparm -d1 and the kernel knows enough about the chipset
it is turned on.
Otherwise it is left off.
>The fact that turning on DMA did work for someone shows that Linux
>didn't enable it when they first installed their system, even though
>it was supported. In fact, Mandrake didn't properly install a lot
>of things on my system. Glide didn't work. OpenGL wasn't compiled
>with Glide support out of the box, etc. I had to do an awful lot of
>work to get things to work in Linux that would work virtually right
>out of the box in Win98. Now, maybe you call that "power" in
>Linux. I call it a waste of time. If you like to tinker just to
>get basic drivers to work, great.
So would I. But it's not Linux's fault if hardware manufacturers leave it to
voluntary effort for their drivers, when these volunteers are offered no
support or even hardware specs most of the time. Even 3dfx, with its
supposed support for Linux doesn't actually write the linux support for its
chipsets, it's all down to the OSS guys. They just release full specs for
it.
Generally with the modern kernels I've had very little problem with hardware
support beyond 3D support, which I quite happily admit is still in its
wobbly infancy.
>I've personally found X-Windows far less stable than the console
>apps. I found this out very quickly when X-windows froze with any
>number of unstable apps. Upgrading usually solved the problem,
>although I still had to reboot when a misbehaving 3D app would
>corrupt the framebuffer in the Voodoo3 card, thus leaving the
>display unreadable (blocky mess is more like it).
Annoying that, but if the gfx card corrupts its framebuffer on any OS you're
a bit up the creek. Again, with the recent XFree versions I don't have X go
down on me hardly at all (apart from 3D tinkering; I spot a connection ;0).
>> >Where I can just copy files over to the CD-RW drive using explorer
>> >in Win98, I have to use CDRecord from the command line in Linux.
>>
>> Have you researched this? I know I've seen mumblings about mounting a
>
>Yes, I've researched it. UDF write support is flaky at best right
>now.
Hmm, dunno what this UDF is but I find gcombust a very capable GUI for CD
writing. You choose the format with some buttons. Choose the directories you
want to burn from a standard 'explorer' window. Tally up the space used
(press a button). Create the .iso image (again clicking a button and giving
a filename), choose some output settings and hit 'burn'. Also blanks CDRWs.
Also supports multisession (to an extent). Not as flexible as cdrecord direct
but usually a lot less effort.
>Did I say I was leaving? I meant I was done wasting my time with
>that message. I should have quit writing this one before I even
>started. You're probably just a troll with nothing better to do
>than call people idiots.
Oh there's plenty like that. It's an easy thing to fall into if you're a
geek; your computer is important to you and so anything which goes against
what you think to be correct is very hard to accept; cf religion, there's a
reason we call such types zealots ;).
Good luck with Linux, it *is* good.
Frinky (Linux sys admin and advocate, but constantly trying not to be a
zealot)
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:10:15 -0700
From: Chem-R-Us <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: corrupt partition?
LeeRoy wrote:
>
> I ran fdisk /mbr from my win 98 startup disk.
> I was trying to get rid of windows completely so I only have linux.
> however when I try to boot my boot disk or something else I can't access my
> partition anymore to reload lilo??
> I can run fdisk see's everything fine.
> I can run e2fsck it says everything is fine
> but when I try to mount it I get this message
>
> EXT2-fs: 03:01: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features.
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblick on /dev/hda1,
> or too many mounted file systems
>
> How do I fix this? any help greatly appreciated
> If there is no other way then the last resort will the to reload from start
> but I would rather not do that.
OK. You have dome nothing more than clear lilo from the master boot
record. What you need to do is install it back in there. This assumes
that you made a boot disk.
Boot up using the boot disk, and logon as root. At the # prompt, type
lilo. It should respond "linux added". Now you're set, lilo has been
reinstalled on the mbr.
To get rid of windows, you (as root) need to use the linux cfdisk
utility. Type cfdisk and look for the vfat partition. That is your
windows partition. Delete it. That partition is now available to become
something else. Quite the cfdisk program and then reboot the system to
ensure that the new partition table gets written to disk.
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:19:21 -0400
Ed Reppert wrote:
>
> In article <8m36fh$dtt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Coopersmith
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Officially, any OS that gets certified as meeting the standards set
> > forth by the Open Group can be called "UNIX(TM)" - currently that list
> > includes Solaris, AIX, Tru64 (aka Digital UNIX), IRIX, UnixWare, HP-UX,
> > and even IBM OS/390.
>
> OS/390 is Unix?! When did that happen?
IIRC, 1998 or so. It happened when the MVS Unix System Services (USS)
subsystem passed the X/Open conformancy tests. IBM made a big thing of
it at the time; it officially permitted US Govt. purchasers to
purchase MVS under the Posix-compliancy rules.
Anyway, IBM markets Apache for OS/390, with (IIRC) enhancements
rebranded as "WebSphere". Talk about scalability ;-)
> > For full details see http://www.unix-systems.org/
>
> I'll go check it out.
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Subject: Re: Netscape Mail Problem
From: Boddhisatva Troutwaxer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:50:33 -0700
Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Make sure you have dns numbers in /etc/resolv
How should the DNS be specified in this file? Do I just put in
the numbers like this (127.000.00.00), or should they be
connected to some variable with an equal sign, like this
(mail=127.000.000.00) or listed under a heading? Do you have a
sample resolv.conf file you could append?
Does the resolv.conf file need any other information, such as my
login or password, or the name of my mail server at Pac Bell?
>Unless you use an intelligent dialer like wvdial set for the
>stupid mode you must have the DNS numbers in that file for PPP
>to resolv the DNS. Under SuSE we don't write in that file but
>enter the information with yast which writes it
>in /etc/rc.config.
I'm using KPPP, (the KDE dialer) which I imagine writes some kind
of PPP script and them executes it. (But I don't know for sure if
this is the case.)
>> Also, I don't know what you mean by "Don't forget to enter the
>> mail."
>>
>
>EMAIL like in EMAIL address (keyboard error)
Do you mean that the EMAIL address should be in the resolv.conf
or merely listed somewhere in Netscapes file hierarchy? I have,
of course, typed the address into my Netscape preferences.
T.
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