Linux-Misc Digest #328, Volume #19 Sat, 6 Mar 99 06:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Open source MS bad for Linux? (Bev)
Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5? (Micha� Kuratczyk)
Mini-FAQ: antivirus-software for Linux, version 1.2, released 03/05/1999 (RLink)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Richard Griswold)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: setting the IRQ on the 3c589 (David Hinds)
Re: Problems with Chat Script/pppd/diald on RedHat 5.1 ... ("Jason")
Cut and Paste (nick)
Re: Question about ZIP Disks with Linux (Walt Fles)
Re: Oh..me so dumb..me need help big time! (Micha� Kuratczyk)
Re: Motif-Libraries (M. Buchenrieder)
chrony and hardware clock (Stef)
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (Chris
Costello)
Re: Simple text processor (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: More bad news for NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E Larson))
Re: Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Justin Murdock)
Re: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux... (steve)
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open source MS bad for Linux?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:53:29 -0800
Reply-To: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
William Wueppelmann wrote:
> The real remedy has been that some of Microsoft's veneer of being an
> industry leader and innovator that brought cheap computing and quality
> software to the masses has been stripped away, and that to some extent, the
> public is seeing Gates and Microsoft more for what they really are. In
> addition, news about alternative systems (especially Linux) is going
> mainstream. I've been really surprised at how programs like CNN Moneyline
> have been giving a lot of attention to not only the M$ trial, but also
> Linux. Whatever the penalty the courts impose, if any, this has been the
> real benefit of the trial.
Am I the only one cynical enough to consider it possible that Gate$ has
secretly sponsored the recent linux publicity extravaganza in order to show
that there indeed ARE other viable operating systems and that M$ is
therefore not a monopoly?
--
Cheers,
Bev
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Protect privacy, boycott Intel:
http://www.bigbrotherinside.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Micha� Kuratczyk)
Subject: Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:22:34 GMT
jik- wrote:
>3.6 has glibc runtime support libraries.
I heard that it hasn't. Thanks.
--
Micha� Kuratczyk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RLink)
Subject: Mini-FAQ: antivirus-software for Linux, version 1.2, released 03/05/1999
Date: 5 Mar 1999 19:50:02 GMT
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Mini-FAQ: "antivirus software for Linux"
Version: 1.2
Release Date: 03/05/1999
Maintainer: Rainer Link
http://members.aol.com/rlink/
1. About this mini-FAQ
This mini-FAQ informs you about currently available antivirus software
for Linux.
2. Overview
All listed products do not only search for known Linux-viruses (such
as Staog or Bliss), but also for known viruses for DOS/Windows, macro
viruses or Trojan Horses.
According to the producers, the Linux-version of their av-software
uses the same scanning engine as it is used at the Windows-version.
Only "Linux-native" av-software is written down here.
2.1 H+B EDV AntiVir/X
Producer/Developer: H+B EDV Datentechnik GmbH, Tettnang, Germany
Download: http://www.hbedv.com/
Version: 5.16.01, 22th Dec. 1998
Size (compressed): approx. 0,8 MB
contact person: Martin Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pricing: AntiVir/X is freeware for private use, but it is recommended
to register the software via eMail.
2.2 NAI Netshield (uvscan) for Unix (Linux)
Producer/Developer: Network Associates, USA
Download: ftp://ftp.nai.com/pub/antivirus/unix/linux/
Version: 3.18, July 1998
Size (compressed): approx. 2 MB
contact person: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pricing: should be part of the "Total Virus Defense", please ask their
sales team.
Comments: According to Network Associates, Germany, the Dr Solomon's
engine will be integrated into NetShield/Unix (version 4.0x). An
official release date is not announced yet.
2.3 Sophos Sweep for Linux [Intel/Alpha]
Producter/Developer: Sophos UK / Sophos US
Download: http://www.sophos.com/downloads/
Version: 3.19, March 1999
Size (compressed): approx. 1 MB
contact person: Ian Whalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pricing: In Germany it is freeware for private use, but it is
recommended to register it by email, phone or fax.
2.4 Trend Micro Virus Scanner fuer Linux
Producer/Developer: Trend Micro, USA
Download: not available yet.
Version: 3.1, VSAPI 2.041-1208
Size (compressed): approx. 1,6 MB
contact person: David Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pricing: unkonwn
Comments: Until now, in Germany the Linux-version is only
available by request, if you buy a Trend Micro product. As far as I
know, the Trend staff is discussing, whether the software will be
freeware for
private use or not.
2.5 AMaViS - A Mail Virus Scanner
Developer: Christian Bricart, Juergen Quade, Mogens Kjaer
Download: http://www.aachalon.de/AMaViS/amavis.html
Version: 0.2-pre2, 25th Feb. 1999
Size (compressed): approx. 100 KB
contact person: Christian Bricart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pricing: Freeware
Comments: AMaViS is not really a virus scanner, but a tool for
sendmail to check attachments for viruses using H+B EDV AntiVir/X,
NAI NetShield or Dr Solomon's AVTK for SCO Unix.
2.6 CyberSoft VFind Security ToolKit (VSTK) for Linux
Developer: CyberSoft Inc., United States
Download: an evaluation copy is available upon request
Version: Current VSTK147
Size (compressed): approx. 1 MB
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pricing: see http://www.cyber.com/products/masterprice.html
Comments: The VFind Security ToolKit is a suite of computer security
and
antivirus tools.
2.7 KasperskyLab AntiViral Toolkit Pro (AVP) for Linux [Intel]
Developer: KasperskyLab, Russia
Download: ftp://ftp.kaspersky.ru/eval/english/avp30lin.tgz
http://www.avp.ru or www.avp.com
Version: 3.0 - beta 1
Size (compressed): 67 KB (scanner) + 1.2 MB (database)
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pricing: free of charge (according to press release)
Comments:
3. Contacting the author
If you have questions, critics or if you find an error in this
document, please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thanks!
4. Distribution of this document
This document may be distributed freely via eMail, in Newsgroups or
be put on a web-site, if it is garantied that it is not altered in
any way. If you put this mini-faq on your web-site, I would be pleased
if you put a link to
http://members.aol.com/rlink/security/av-linux.htm
on your site, too.
(c) by Rainer Link, 03/05/1999 - All rights reserved.
All information in this document are provided "as it is".
There is no warranty, that it is faultless or that
all (known) products are listed. All trademarks are respected.
Please apologize any misspellings for the reason that English is not
my native-language.
This document can by found at:
http://members.aol.com/rlink/security/av-linux_e.txt
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From: Richard Griswold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:05:29 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wulin Suo wrote:
>
> Can someone please tell why when I visit the freshmeat.net with Netscape
> it crashes all the time?
> I had that trouble when I use netscape 4.08, and got worse after I
> installed netscape 4.5.
> When I check the log file it says "bus error". So far this site is
> the only place that crashes my
> navigator.
>
> Am I missing some library?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wulin Suo
I've had problems with Netscape 4.5 with XFree86 3.3.3 and kernel
2.0.35. http://www.cnn.com/TECH would kill it every time, even if Java
and JavaScript were disabled. I tried different versions of glibc, but
that didn't help. I also tried removing Java from my PATH and CLASSPATH
so Netscape couldn't find it, and it still didn't help. The funny thing
is, when I first put Netscape 4.5 on my system, Netscape was fairly
stable. I'm not sure what changed.
I finally went back to 4.08, but it still isn't very stable.
--
Richard Griswold
griswold | Opinions, ideas, etc. are not
at | necessarily those of me, my
acm | employer, the government, or
dot | any other person or group,
org | real or imaginary
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 05 Mar 1999 23:48:03 -0500
"David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote in message ...
> >Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> 2 GB RAM is a satisfactory virtual address space for a single process
> >> for most purposes, but 1 or 2 GB RAM is not a satisfactory upper limit
> >> on RAM today.
> >
> >but these are not `most purposes'. the big ram user will almost
> >certainly need a shitload of ram for *one* process. otherwise, you'd
> >just buy more machines and run one of the big (but not humongous)
> >processes on each.
> >
> >e.g., a finite-element analysis requiring 7GB of memory for the matrix
> >math. or a database application juggling a giant lump in memory.
>
> My question is why would anyone try to run a finite-element analysis with a
> 7GB matrix on any Intel based machine.
because they are out of their minds. ;-)
> Again this is an address space
> issue best solved by a 64 bit processor. Even NT breakes up the address
> space of an i386 in such a way that user adressable memory is
> limited.
exactly.
i was responding to someone who thought that you might need more than
4 GB of RAM yet no single process needed more than 4 GB (in order to
avoid `far' pointers). if you need the BIG RAM, it is because you
have ONE task which requires it. 7 tasks needing 1 GB each would be
better served running one after another in series on a smaller machine
or spread over several smaller boxes.
since intel cannot access more than 4 GB cleanly, it would make a
whole lot of sense to use a processor with real 64 bit address modes.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 04:45:38 GMT
On 04 Mar 1999 23:18:48 -0500, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>John Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > >I think this is a tad unfair. I'm disappointed that Linus doesn't
>> > >want to enable large memory addressing on the x86.
>
>i can understand linus completely. do you remember 16 bit segment
>hell? i sure do. i never want to see that kind of brain damage ever
>again as long as i live. far pointers are a monumental crock. shame
>on you for even bringing it up!
>
>what would want a larger address space? most likely, it'd be a single
>massive program like a number cruncher or database application. you
>would have near and far 32 bit and 32+32 bit pointers. it would suck
>royally. it'd break all the assumptions that linux makes (basically
>all memory is accessible by a 32 bit pointer).
>
>if you need more address space, get a 64 cpu! for someone really
>needing the 36 bit space, the cost of an alpha or sparc is *not*
>prohibitive.
It's fair enough for someone to want to build a 36 bit Linux port, so
long as they're willing to take responsibility for:
a) Writing it,
b) Rewriting GLIBC to use 36 bit values,
c) Creating a 36 bit distribution.
Nothing is inherently wrong with any of those ideas. Except to assume
that any of those things are Linus' responsibility.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Hinds)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: setting the IRQ on the 3c589
Date: 28 Feb 1999 07:49:41 GMT
Peter Bruley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: David Hinds wrote:
:
: > You do it indirectly, by indicating which interrupts are unavailable
: > in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts.
: >
: > (you don't really need to tell the card to use a specific irq for it
: > to work: what's important is to tell it which irq's NOT to use)
:
: Only one problem with this. If your system only has one IRQ to spare and the
: modem grabs the IRQ first the Network card will fail.
I don't see how this relates to the question. If your system has one
irq to spare and a modem is using it, then the system has no irq's to
spare, and there wouldn't be anything you could say to the PCMCIA
system that would make any difference. What would you like to have
happen in this case? The network driver can't kick off another driver
that has allocated a resource.
-- Dave Hinds
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From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Problems with Chat Script/pppd/diald on RedHat 5.1 ...
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:01:07 GMT
Umm.. err... Try checking out what you have set as the 'timeout' in the
diald connect scripts. It will 'alarm' and hang up if this timeout is too
short.
Jas
David M. Cook wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:06:57 -0500, Eli White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>I've been having a problem with my chat script I am trying to use to
>>automate connecting to the net through diald.
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From: nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cut and Paste
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 00:22:52 +0000
On the Solaris machines I used to work with, we used the copy and paste
keys on the keyboard to move text between the terminal and texteditor
(say for saving compilation output). With my PC of course I dont have
those keys. I can use the middle mouse emulation to copy in a Bash shell
but cant paste to a texteditor. How do I set up my desktop to enable me
to cut and paste between a Bash shell and Textedit??
Thanks in advance
Ignorantly
Nick
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From: Walt Fles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Question about ZIP Disks with Linux
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:04:46 -0600
Monte Milanuk wrote:
>
> Chris in sunny Manitoba wrote:
> >
> > Me newbie. Me hear [EMAIL PROTECTED] say:
> >
> > >Does anyone know if and when I finally get my ZIP disk drive to work
> > >with Linux, if I can then access my DOS formatted ZIP disks?
> > >
> > >Or will I have to format them with a Unix/Linux Partition thus making
> > >it non-cross platformable?
> > >
> > >Ian
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > My Zip's the scsi version and worked in RH5.2 out of the box... pretty
> > good way to transfer files, aamof.
>
> 1d10t way to keep straight which you have mounted, dos or linux => mount
> your linux zip disk under /mnt/zip/ext2, and your windoze zip disks
> under mnt/zip/fat32, or something similar. Makes it easier for me, at
> least.
>
> Monte
All,
I have an internal IDE zip, and it is the master device on the
seconday IDE port. It is hdc4. I put an entry in my /etc/fstab file and
had absolutely no problem with it.
I created a mount point named /mnt/zip and access it that way.
I just put in a ZIP disk, and do a "mount -a" and it mounts
the drive into that directory. it's slick and a great way to
archive LINUX downloads.
Walt Fles
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Micha� Kuratczyk)
Subject: Re: Oh..me so dumb..me need help big time!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:04:54 GMT
K Lee wrote:
>So, is there anyway to resolve this? I know, I removed glibc! That was
>soooo stupid! But is there a fix for this? I'd appreciate any input.
1. Start Linux from bootdisk
2. mount /dev/your_/_partition /mnt/partition
3. rpm -ivh glibc*.rpm --root /mnt/partition
--
Micha� Kuratczyk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Motif-Libraries
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:20:25 GMT
Marcus Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>If I not in the correct news group please tell me.
Well, this is basically a general UN*X question , and not Linux-related
at all. Nevermind :)
>I am new LINUX user. I tried to install an astro-program xephem. xephem
>only runs under motif. I need for linking static libraries for motif. I
>downloded lesstif, but it seems for me very difficult to produce the
>right libraries whitout destroying our running LINUX-mail-server.
[...]
Yes, you'll probably have to hack the xephem sources to get it running
with lesstif . If you need the Motif libraries, you'll have to buy
them. These are not in the public domain or GPL'ed .
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't mungle your address.
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From: Stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: chrony and hardware clock
Date: 6 Mar 1999 11:06:47 +0100
OK, yesterday I installed chrony 1.02 on my Debian 2.0 system. I did
not change the system clock. It was one hour behind, since windows 95
messed around with the hardware clock. I stopped my ppp connection,
but let the machine run overnight. Now the system time is only about
15 minutes behind. Good.
But the hardware clock is still one hour (plus an additional one
because it is kept in UTC) behind.
Do I have to tell chrony to explicitly set the hardware clock?
What if I shut down my machine now, an restart it? Will the system
time be read from the hardware clock an be behind one hour again?
Thanks for any response!
Stef
--
WebMaster D-WERK
President SOS-ETH
ETH Zurich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hoes.li
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 04:54:34 GMT
In article <7b6a0t$fff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Is it possible to have both a FreeBSD kernel and a Linux
>kernel on the same system ?
>
>Can a FreedBSD kernel be compiled on a Linux system ?
>(and vica-versa) ?
Yep. but it won't run. You need glibc, though.
>Or can we only get executable compatablity ?
>(I assume this isn't a simple yes/no answer ? What level of compatability
>is there and what effort is required to improve this ?)
Binary compatibility for Linux is excellent in FreeBSD. I
haven't seen anything linux_lib-2.6 can't handle.
>
>Mike
>
>P.S. I'm only interested in the technical issues and not licencing
>issues !!!
>I think all the newsgroups ally - apologies if its look long.
>
-Chris
--
Powered by FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT. "The Power to Serve!"
int main(int m){main(!main(0));}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Simple text processor
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:05:45 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:27:38 +0000...
..and Joe (theWordy) Philbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
>
> > Yes. Do you really want to hear the story of how I came to use
> > schnibble instead of snip?
>
> Sounds like an interesting read to me... But perhaps it would be better to
> put it in an E-mail reply, rather than risk the ire of all your fellow
> experts who probably already know "once upon a [scnibble] by heart by
> now... <<snicker>>
Actually, I am not an expert and I never told the story. But it's not
long, so I can as well tell it here.
`schnippeln' means `to snip' in German. Thus Germans use to use
<schnipp> instead of <snip>. A long time ago, there was a
computer game called `[blahblah] and the Schnibble of Azimuth'.
Subsequently, I replaced [snip] by [Schnibble of Azimuth] in my
postings, and since this became tedious to type, I resorted to
[schnibble].
> Oh Oh... Ahem... Is there perchance any such thing as a full screen console
> NON-X previewer available???
Have a look at freshmeat. If there is no DVI previewer, you can
format all your DVIs into PostScript and use a console PostScript
viewer - there's at least one.
mawa
--
Level 3 - Network Layer
User has a major package that may make it to the distros in the
future, or submits major context diffs for obscure kernel problems.
-- Cliff Pratt
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 Mar 1999 23:18:48 -0500
John Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "David A. Frantz" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Robert;
> >
> > Robert Krawitz wrote in message ...
> > >"David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > >> Try this site http://humbolt.geo.uu.nl/Linux-MM/more_than_1GB.html to
> > gets a
> > >> little info on the current I386 capability. Nothing specific on XEON
> > >> there, well at least I didn't find anything. Sounds like your trying
> > to
> > >> apply a low end (Yes I mean the XEON) PC chip to a project that requires
> > a
> > >> 64 bit CPU. You may want to consider an Alpha, or a POWERPC box from
> > IBM.
> > >
> > >I think this is a tad unfair. I'm disappointed that Linus doesn't
> > >want to enable large memory addressing on the x86.
i can understand linus completely. do you remember 16 bit segment
hell? i sure do. i never want to see that kind of brain damage ever
again as long as i live. far pointers are a monumental crock. shame
on you for even bringing it up!
what would want a larger address space? most likely, it'd be a single
massive program like a number cruncher or database application. you
would have near and far 32 bit and 32+32 bit pointers. it would suck
royally. it'd break all the assumptions that linux makes (basically
all memory is accessible by a 32 bit pointer).
if you need more address space, get a 64 cpu! for someone really
needing the 36 bit space, the cost of an alpha or sparc is *not*
prohibitive.
> > As with any general purpose operateing system there are trade offs, one
> > outstanding feature of Linux is the freedom to transform it into something
> > that suits your purposes. The reallity is that there is nothing to be
> > gained by trying to use a special capability of the XEON just to fillfull
> > the special needs of a few users. This is especially the case when the
> > Chip and Chip SETs are not suited for the application. I firmly believe
> > that if you really need 64 bit addressing to main memory then you need to
> > look at a 64 bit system.
exactly.
> There are multiple reasons for and against going with an Alpha or PPC
> vs. Intel... on of which is *all* the other hardware is Intel x86 based
> and having *binary* compatibility is important.
who cares about binary compatibility? just recompile!
if it's some proprietary offering, chances are it would never be
offered in 32+32 bit large mode. even if linux were to support it,
it'd be a bitch to port.
> That said, I too am interersted in this topic for the simple reason
> that the 450NX chipset motherboards can support 4 way interleaving
> of memory, plus the use of alternate (4 32bit PCI buses, 2 64bit PCI
> buses or 2 32bit & 1 64bit PCI buses) bus structure, up to 8 Xeon
> CPUs (with cluster controller)... I'm not as interested in the size
> of the address space as much as the size of the memory bandwidth and
> I/O bus structure...
sgi, sun, the former dec all make *much* better high end machines.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
From: whistler<blahblah>@twcny.rr.com (Paul E Larson)
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:24:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason
Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, it was written:
>
>> > 95/98 are clones of the Mac and all the other GUI's that came way
>> >before Win 3.1/95/98. The Mac, GEM, GeoWorks on the Commodore 64/128 first,
>> >then the IBM clones.
>> >
>> YUP.... Just like a Jaguar is the clone of a horse and buggy.
>
>There is nothing in the Windows 95 interface that was not present in the
>Apple Mac interface in 1991 and earlier. The GUI itself was invented and
>widely used on non-PC systems many years before MS released any version of
>Windows.
>
It is just better in Windows95, 98, and NT4. Yup... the GUI was dreamup at
Xerox's PARC facility from whence many great ideas come.
Paul
Get rid of the blahs to email me :}
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes?
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:14:03 +0000
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Harry wrote:
> My local bookshop, Mahler's in Newbury, is selling boxed copies of
> Red Hat 5.2 for fifty squid (about eighty dollars). As I'm running
> 5.1 and would like upgrade to 5.2 for it's (I'm told) better PCI
> support etc, I'm considering the investment.
Yes although if you prefer not to pay so much you don't have to. John
Winters Linux Emporium (http://www.polo.demon.co.uk/emporium.html) has Red
Hat boxed sets for #42.00 inclusive of P&P and VAT. He also has Cheapbytes
CDs available for #2.00 each plus P&P.
If you want a more up to date (remastered this evening) release then you
could consider Definite Linux which has all of the errata updates already
applied, includes updates versions of many standard system packages, and
comes with over 150MB of additional bonus software include KDE 1.1, Gnome
1.0, crypto software, office software, rendering software and much more.
It costs #10.00 inclusive of UK P&P and VAT.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Justin Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 05 Mar 1999 14:19:26 +0000
>>>>> "Johan" == Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Johan> in the uk, the shifted three gives the proper pound symbol and
Johan> what in the us is displayed as # is in the uk shown as the
Johan> wacky L.
Whilst you might call me a pedant, I wish to inform you that being in
the UK has no effect on the outcome of pressing Shift and 3. However
many of the toy computers sold in this country have weird keyboards
that are have an enter/return key shaped like an L but rotated through
180 degrees, and many of the non alpha-numerics printed in strange
locations - including the $; this in turn has caused many users to
load keyboard mappings into their system; which results in an
appearance of computers behaving differently. Also, regardless of
where you might be located, the character indicating the start of a
directive to the C preprocessor is that denoted by a the symbol
reminiscent of a house surrounded by eight fields.
--
"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a
means of communication." --Western Union internal memo,1876
"[We] are too possessive for this CERN hypertext thing to catch on" --me,1990
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux...
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:35:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:34:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian
Woo) wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Is there a way to export MS-Windows filesystem and let Linux mount it?
>I have tried the following:
>
>mount -t msdos 123.123.123.2:/public /mnt/public
>
>However, it wasn't successful...
>This reason that I am asking is because I wanted to use WINE to run some
>of the Win95's applications on my Linux... but unsuccessfully... Would
>Samba work? I thought Samba is just like FTP... you can only transfer
>files but not share the same file system.
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>Brian
>
mount -t vfat /dev/whateveryourhdisnamed /mnt/somemountpoint
Your hard drive will be named something like "hda" and the partition
something like "hda1". You can name the mount point in /mnt whatever
you wish.
steve
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