Linux-Misc Digest #328, Volume #21 Sun, 8 Aug 99 05:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: can't connect to my isp using kppp ("NG")
!!!!!!Re: can't connect to my isp using kppp ("NG")
Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss? ("kgb")
Ghostly modules still cry for life (too dramatic?) ("kgb")
Re: currencies (Anthony DeRobertis)
Re: currencies (Anthony DeRobertis)
PATH is going wild (scable)
Re: helping the Third World (Anthony DeRobertis)
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From: "NG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: can't connect to my isp using kppp
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:22:08 -0500
Michel,
You are a definite godsend!
You would not believe the troubles I have had for 2 weeks with trying to
connect. (just see my "BULLSHIT" post at the top of the list.)
Unbelievable how your 1 sentence advise at the bottom of this post was the
answer to my prayers. Everyone else had me running ragged changing
everything but my underwear :)
Thanks Again,
Mark
Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Fritz Whittington wrote:
> >
> > DonJr wrote:
> > >
> > > Bev wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Melle wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > i've got a problem with my RH5.2 distribution of linux! i
configured kppp
> > > > > the way it was shown in several comp-magazines for logging in at
my isp's
> > > > > server using PAP - but it doesn't work at all.
> > > > > the modem dials properly, but it fails to log in. my isp said that
my login,
> > > > > password and servername should be added to the file
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets,
> > > > > but i don't know how in detail. there are two lines of
introduction: the
> > > > > format of an entry should be something like:
> > > > > client server secrets IP adresses
> > > > > but what does this mean? i'm not good in English at all (you may
have
> > > > > noticed that already *grin*) since i'm from Germany, hmm.
> > > > > if you know the answer to my problem please mail me to:
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx, Melle
> > > >
> > > > We could never get it to work under RH either, so we just copied
over the
> > > > files from our slackware installation. Here is what the
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets
> > > > file should look like:
> > > >
> > > > # Secrets for authentication using PAP...
> > > > # client server secret IP addresses
> > > > "yourloginname" * "yourpassword"
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Bev
> > > > ====================================================================
> > > > "We thought of one of those discount store caskets, but, frankly, we
> > > > were worried about the quality." -- mortuary commercial
> > >
> > > Basicaly put "kppp" is not written for the Red Hat Dastro and will not
> > > work without major configuration change.
> > >
> > > The easiest way I've found to setup pppd under RH 5.2 or RH 6.0 is:
> > > # linuxconf { either under X or text mode take you pick}
> > > - Networking
> > > - Client tasks
> > > Select PPP/SLIP/PLIP
> > > Click the ADD button
> > > Make sure PPP is selected
> > > Click the Accept button
> > > Fill in the following fields
> > > Phone Number
> > > Modem Port
> > > Click the use PAP check button
> > > Login Name
> > > Password
> > > Click the Customize button
> > > Select Allow any user (de)activate the interface
> > > Click the Accept button
> > > Click the quit button on the PPP/SLIP/PLIP page
> > > Select Name server specification (DNS)
> > > Fill in the Name Server Information asked by this page.
> > > Click the Accept button
> > > Click the Quit button
> > > Press enter on the next screen to apply the updates.
> > >
> > > Now at the command prompt
> > > $ /sbin/ifup ppp0 will bring up the connection
> > > $ /sbin/ifdown ppp0 will bring down the connection
> > >
> > > Under X simplily load the program "usernet" is a simple to use one to
> > > get you started, though there are other choices out there.
> > >
> > > RedHat 5.2 and 6.0 versions of the Linux Dastro's are simple enough,
> > > even a MicroS*t user should be able to set it up.
> > > It's a whole lot simpler then MS-Widows to install and setup.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -----------------------
> > > Don E. Groves, Jr.
> > > my Email is jetnick AT erols DOT com
> > >
> > > I'll add a witty saying here later.
> > > Such as:
> > > Give a man a fish and he will eat now.
> > > Teach him to fish and he will ........
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ... drink beer by to pond all day with his new friends.
> > >
> > > ----------------
> >
> > Fine, then. What do you do if you need to use CHAP, since it
> > doesn't seem to offer that option?
> >
> > --
> > Fritz
>
> Just use control-panel, it always works
> --
> use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.
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From: "NG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: !!!!!!Re: can't connect to my isp using kppp
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:22:44 -0500
Michel,
You are a definite godsend!
You would not believe the troubles I have had for 2 weeks with trying to
connect. (just see my "BULLSHIT" post at the top of the list.)
Unbelievable how your 1 sentence advise at the bottom of this post was the
answer to my prayers. Everyone else had me running ragged changing
everything but my underwear :)
Thanks Again,
Mark
Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Fritz Whittington wrote:
> >
> > DonJr wrote:
> > >
> > > Bev wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Melle wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > i've got a problem with my RH5.2 distribution of linux! i
configured kppp
> > > > > the way it was shown in several comp-magazines for logging in at
my isp's
> > > > > server using PAP - but it doesn't work at all.
> > > > > the modem dials properly, but it fails to log in. my isp said that
my login,
> > > > > password and servername should be added to the file
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets,
> > > > > but i don't know how in detail. there are two lines of
introduction: the
> > > > > format of an entry should be something like:
> > > > > client server secrets IP adresses
> > > > > but what does this mean? i'm not good in English at all (you may
have
> > > > > noticed that already *grin*) since i'm from Germany, hmm.
> > > > > if you know the answer to my problem please mail me to:
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx, Melle
> > > >
> > > > We could never get it to work under RH either, so we just copied
over the
> > > > files from our slackware installation. Here is what the
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets
> > > > file should look like:
> > > >
> > > > # Secrets for authentication using PAP...
> > > > # client server secret IP addresses
> > > > "yourloginname" * "yourpassword"
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Bev
> > > > ====================================================================
> > > > "We thought of one of those discount store caskets, but, frankly, we
> > > > were worried about the quality." -- mortuary commercial
> > >
> > > Basicaly put "kppp" is not written for the Red Hat Dastro and will not
> > > work without major configuration change.
> > >
> > > The easiest way I've found to setup pppd under RH 5.2 or RH 6.0 is:
> > > # linuxconf { either under X or text mode take you pick}
> > > - Networking
> > > - Client tasks
> > > Select PPP/SLIP/PLIP
> > > Click the ADD button
> > > Make sure PPP is selected
> > > Click the Accept button
> > > Fill in the following fields
> > > Phone Number
> > > Modem Port
> > > Click the use PAP check button
> > > Login Name
> > > Password
> > > Click the Customize button
> > > Select Allow any user (de)activate the interface
> > > Click the Accept button
> > > Click the quit button on the PPP/SLIP/PLIP page
> > > Select Name server specification (DNS)
> > > Fill in the Name Server Information asked by this page.
> > > Click the Accept button
> > > Click the Quit button
> > > Press enter on the next screen to apply the updates.
> > >
> > > Now at the command prompt
> > > $ /sbin/ifup ppp0 will bring up the connection
> > > $ /sbin/ifdown ppp0 will bring down the connection
> > >
> > > Under X simplily load the program "usernet" is a simple to use one to
> > > get you started, though there are other choices out there.
> > >
> > > RedHat 5.2 and 6.0 versions of the Linux Dastro's are simple enough,
> > > even a MicroS*t user should be able to set it up.
> > > It's a whole lot simpler then MS-Widows to install and setup.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -----------------------
> > > Don E. Groves, Jr.
> > > my Email is jetnick AT erols DOT com
> > >
> > > I'll add a witty saying here later.
> > > Such as:
> > > Give a man a fish and he will eat now.
> > > Teach him to fish and he will ........
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > ... drink beer by to pond all day with his new friends.
> > >
> > > ----------------
> >
> > Fine, then. What do you do if you need to use CHAP, since it
> > doesn't seem to offer that option?
> >
> > --
> > Fritz
>
> Just use control-panel, it always works
> --
> use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.
------------------------------
From: "kgb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss?
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:33:06 -0500
> Forgetting, for a moment, that question of what is causing the
> crashes, I just wanted to weigh in on the crash recovery question. As
> a RH6.0 newbie, I have to wonder why Linux seems far more susceptible
> to catastrophic mangling of disk volumes when it is not shut down
> properly than DOS/Windows.
I had heard somewhere, it was because Linux/UNIX keeps the disk heads in
motion writing from a constant buffer for disk I/O. You order something to
be written, it sits in the buffer and writes it eventually. Making you
unable to tell when the disk isn't actually writing or reading data. Same
case I assume since linux uses swapping for memory, and would entail much
more reading and writing. As well as processes doing their own reading and
writing to disk as well. So, abruptly shuting down while the heads are
grazing across the platter planting bits and bytes can cause problems I'd
assume. Once again, no concrete refrence or anything, so it's more of an
assumption.
> I have recently moved into a nicer neighborhood, but the local power
> utility is far worse than at my old address. I often get a few
> momentary power interruptions (<2 seconds) per week, sometimes several
> per day, whereas I got only a few in my entire 8 years at the old
> address. I know... UPS... I'll be getting one soon, but for now it
> still begs the question.
Power here is fine, so can't worry there, unless, the errant thunderstorm
comes by, at which point I think, did I turn the computer off and unplug it?
> Anyway, I have been using DOS/Windows (ALL varieties) since about
> 1980, and although some files may be trashed, overall a simple
> "scandisk" or "NDD" will restore the disk volume almost like new.
> WinNT is even less likely still to have its volumes damaged by an
> improper shutdown. But Linux, ah... Linux.
Once again I'll point up there. Though I've had nasty shutdowns, a prime
example would be yesterday. mpg123 jumped into hyperspace on me, vomited up
it's core, and failed to exit. Meaning, no three fingered salute would
suffice. I had to manually power off the system. I booted, partition failed,
no sweat, I ran fsck, and all is well. I have yet to encounter an
irreversable problem.
On the windows note, which I am using right now, it crashes constantly, as
could be expected, and it memory leaks like crazy. But, I have never
corrupted my disk. I have never encountered a problem, hell, I don't even
run scandisk after a dirty shutdown. I'm not sure how I did that, but I know
I did at one point. Perhaps it stems from a morbid wish to see the OS give
me one good excuse to chuck it and introduce my family to linux. They seem
to *love* PySol and The GIMP, as well as Enlightenment.
> I have had about a half dozen power burps long enough to cause Linux
> to reboot since I installed it a couple of weeks ago, and in two
> cases, damage to the Linux volumes was catastrophic, requiring a full
> sytem reinstall both times. In the other cases, the volumes were badly
> damaged, but were successfully repaired during the boot sequence.
Ouch
> Why is a Linux volume so screwed up by a bad shutdown while a
> FAT16/FAT32/NTFS volume is hardly ruffled at all?
Look above.
> CIAO - Martin R. Green
shutdown -r now - Farrell O'Rourke ;)
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From: "kgb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ghostly modules still cry for life (too dramatic?)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:21:14 -0500
Earlier I had posted the question on why my kernel was complaining of
size. I had neglected to read the Kernel HOWTO carefully, and was pointed
out on here to try make bzImage as opposed to make zImage.
Worked just fine, kernel hums along nicely.. somewhat.
I had said I disabled APM in the kernel, since it smacked of laptops,
well, aparently my previous kernel used APM. No failures, just this. When I
boot, even though I have my system map changed, it screams something along
the lines:
Starting APM daemon:
[FAILED]
And then happily boots along as if it never happened. Just to make it
happy I'm thinking about compiling again, this time WITH APM. But... Since
it appears I don't need it... Why add it's size? Why is it still insisting
on starting the APM daemon that was at first part of the kernel? I'm
guessing a config, file, or another related boot file either in /etc or
/boot.
I compiled sound into my kernel, I don't know why I didn't opt for a
module. As a matter of fact, I left few things to a module, and left out
others entirely. SCSI, NFS, Ethernet card support, SLIP, etc. This machine
will be a dialup beast when I get a new modem. <knock off PPP for now>.
Sound works fine compiled in, the system actually seems *faster* than
2.2.5-15. Sound doesn't seem to take me out of commission much anymore if it
fails. Still it screams:
Loading sound module :
[FAILED]
And then happily moves along. Boots, etc. sound works. Except...
xplaycd, or anything cd-audio related. No sound eminates from the speakers
in that case. But that's no problem, the sound drivers work fine, wavetable
output through mpg123 works OK. Even though mpg123 crashed on me once,
spewing core files here and there, and actually corrupting my filesystem in
a minor way. Nothing a fsck couldn't fix.
Last but not least, I've been having a minor, and reproducable bug with
Eterm. I updated to redhat's gnome update in errata dated jul 27. A few
problems fixed, but this Eterm problem remains. I won't mention it in here,
for sake of length, but if you're interested in hearing more, please feel
free to mail me.
So the root of the matter, no pun intended, is this:
1.) Why must these ghostly, and false failure messages presist?
2.) Was my more monolithic approach to the kernel compiling less wise?
3.) Do I really need APM?
4.) and unrelated: what is amiss with eterm?
Thanks alot, feel free to e-mail, post here, whatever :)
Farrell O'Rourke
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony DeRobertis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: currencies
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 03:55:49 -0400
In article <7ogt16$1v4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) wrote:
>You're assuming that if the USA prints more dollars then its currency
>will go down. That's precisely my bloody point; it will *not*.
You're forgetting why the US Dollar is honored by most nations as a bearer
of value: because we *don't* go on orgies printing money -- unlike a good
portion of the world.
If the United States we to change that, no one would use the dollar as a
bearer of value any longer.
Consider, now, the result of the United States destroying that trust.
Everone wants out ASAP. So everyone sells all thier dollars. The USD would
crahs and burn.
>When France wants to do business with its own colonies, it frequently
>had to convert French francs to dollars and then back again. That
>sounds like the dollar is the international currency to me.
Yes, it is an inbternational currency -- because it can be trusted to hold
value. But in the event that trust were breached, everyone would get out,
as I stated above.
--
Windows 95 (win-DOH-z), n. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical
shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system
originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was used in a PC
built by a formerly two bit company that couldn't stand one bit of competition.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony DeRobertis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: currencies
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 03:57:07 -0400
In article <7oguee$33u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Thanks for a refreshingly sensible post. I happen to live in the US now,
>>and I have found that it is an obnoxious few that makes everyone look bad.
>
>It isn't even the obnoxious few, it's the *powerful* few that makes
>the Yankee the hated enemy of all humanity. If it were only about
>arrogance, pomposity or obnoxiousness then nobody would give a damn,
>but peoples around the world have witnessed their nations, and them-
>selves, raped by the USA and *that* is the source of the enmity.
WTF?! We actually agree! I doubt we agree on who the powerfull few who
have commited the crime, though.
--
Windows 95 (win-DOH-z), n. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical
shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system
originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was used in a PC
built by a formerly two bit company that couldn't stand one bit of competition.
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From: scable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PATH is going wild
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:04:57 -0500
When I log on, my system (RH 6.0) goes hog wild and gives me a PATH that
is five screen lines long. Most of it is the same path elements
repeated over and over again. I have tried to find whether I have some
sort of loop, for example, between local and global bashrc files, but I
can't find anything of the sort. Anybody have an idea what else could
give rise to this curious behavior?
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony DeRobertis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:11:06 -0400
In article <7ogu14$2rn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Kenneth P. Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:31:35 GMT, MK
>>>>What real economy that you would like to live under does not
>>>>redistribute wealth?
>>>
>>>The one that uses it for securing negative rights of citizens only.
>>
>>What is this supposed to mean?
>
>He's talking shit based on his force and contract dogma. In Libertarian
>theology, forcing a billionaire to feed a starving child is Wrong; the
>only right the child has is to buy (with what? maybe Libertarians favor
>child prostitution -- the "jewel of capitalism" that is Thailand seems
>to demonstrate it) the food he or she needs. Libertarians don't see
>beating a child for stealing food as "initiating force". They also do
>not see laying an ownership claim to desperately needed food as force.
>On the whole, Libertarianism is a very convenient ideology for property
>owners; "force" is defined as what the propertyless do.
Force is defined a wha ta small number of looters do: Initiate physical force.
Your argument seems to assume that the billionare is somehow responsible
for the guy starving on the street.
I have some news for you: If you were to redistribute all the property in
the world 'equally' then you'd cause the biggest depression in history.
You'd cause mass starvation. You'd kill millions. And within a few years,
there would be rich and poor again, and they'd be the same people --
unless you by force stopped them. And then no doubt you'd want to repeat
your experiment.
I'd encourage anyone who believes against libratarians to consider what
happens when that's done. With the force to prevent the re-aquiring of
wealth, you have the Soviets, the Cubans, the Chinese, the Koreans, the
Vietnemese, etc. And they onyl thing they managed to build -- it certainly
was/is not prosperity -- was/is weapons and graves.
OTOH, you have a country that has been on the balance more libratarian
than any other. And it is one of the most prosperous on Earth. Draw your
own conclusions.
--
Windows 95 (win-DOH-z), n. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical
shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system
originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was used in a PC
built by a formerly two bit company that couldn't stand one bit of competition.
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