Linux-Misc Digest #941, Volume #19 Sat, 24 Apr 99 21:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: umounting cdrom (Frank Miles)
Re: PPP/Mgetty hang-up problem HELP Please???? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Backspace going nuts under X?!? (David Brown)
Idiot Seeks Help 4: GDM...how? ("Dave Tansley")
Backspace...delete.. ("Jerome PAYS")
Re: PPP null modem (request gory details) (Bill Unruh)
Problem solved. (MrLoke)
A question (MrLoke)
Re: Idiot Seeks Help 1: Linux and Modems (Adrian Hands)
Re: xfree cant find server binary??????????????? (Regit Young)
A new video card ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: Apostraphes being replaced with question marks? (Colin Smith)
Re: Linux Newbie Web Site Updated ("ne...")
Re: Kernel 2.2.6 (jik-)
Re: scanners (DJ Delorie)
Re: Windows NTDETECT (Dave)
Kernel compilation fails couldn't connect to display ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: umounting cdrom ("Svend S. Sorensen")
Two questions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: creating a start up floppy disk ("Jerome PAYS")
Re: Backspace going nuts under X?!? ("T.E.Dickey")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Miles)
Subject: Re: umounting cdrom
Date: 24 Apr 1999 21:03:48 GMT
In article <7ft1u5$f0i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Dude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>After I mount my cdrom as a user (not root) I can't eject it. What should I
>do? Do I have to log as root and unmount it? (I can mount as a user but why
>can't I umunt?) -- Regards The Dude
It depends on the permissions that you give the various devices and drives.
One alternative to opening up the permissions is to use 'sudo'. This is useful
for handling floppies and many other things on a system. You won't need to
become root, with all the risks; and you can give 'partial powers' to others
as you (as root) see fit.
-frank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,de.alt.comm.mgetty
Subject: Re: PPP/Mgetty hang-up problem HELP Please????
Date: 24 Apr 1999 21:13:06 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Am running RedHat 5.2 with the supplied mgetty and pppd binaries. Using
>a 16 port digiboard with a U S Robotics v.everything 33.6 modem.
>Everything is working fine. Modem/mgetty answers a call, receive PAP
>authentication no prob, routing works, everything. . . except when there
>is a dropped carrier. If the connection is disabled, the mgeety
>reinitswith no problem for the next call. However, if I yank the
>connectionand just drop carrier, the pppd process just sits there. I
Well, this has nothing to do with mgetty. mgetty stays out of the way
until ppp quits (usually by looking at teh lock file, but also if it
initiated the pppd, waiting for pppd to exit) So if pppd stays running
mgetty quite properly waits.
One thing to try is to set up the DTR line so that a DTR drop
reinitalises the modem. (&D3 on my modem). The real problem is that the
modem is not signalling back to pppd that there is nothing there. pppd
does not see any carrier ever-- it just gets bytes from teh serial port.
and if it gets no bytes for a while, that could just be the otehr end
not sending them.
Ie, This is a modem issue, not an mgetty issue or a pppd issue. Get your
modem to hang up and signal the serial port tht it has hung up, on
carrier drop.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Brown)
Subject: Re: Backspace going nuts under X?!?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Apr 99 20:29:56 GMT
>> ... and the backspace key
>> works for SOME applications and not others.
>
>I like the key marked "BackSpace" to perform the "destructive backspace"
>function, and the key marked "Delete" to generate control-h for the
>purposes of emacs and the like, so I put something like this in .xinitrc:
>
>Paul
But why is it that _some_ X apps work with whatever keyboard map X uses,
and others don't?
My favorite "pet" is xterm, in which Bksp works, until you use an
application which opens the keyboard for input (<stdin>), in which
case it loses it, but doing an "stty erase ^H" doesn't change anything
at the commmand prompt, but does fix Bksp for <stdin>. How can that be?
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: "Dave Tansley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Idiot Seeks Help 4: GDM...how?
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:24:01 +0100
And finally:
- GDM. An easy one here. I've set up the machine to boot straight to XDM,
which avoids all that
pesky text business. But seeing as I have Gnome, I thought it'd be nice to
use the GDM program
instead (also it would get rid of that evil penguin that mocks me
everytime!). How do I run
gdm? Is it just a matter of putting gdm in the final line of inittab instead
of xdm. Does it
need any options? What can I do if it screws up and wont run gdm? (Please
bear in mind that LILO
will not work on my machine....so I cant boot from a boot disk...doh!)
Is there any docs for GDM? I've failed to find any, not even a nice man
page.
Thanks in advance.
--
Dave
ICQ: 20806179
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home)
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From: "Jerome PAYS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Backspace...delete..
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:14:35 +0200
Hi,
I have a problem with my keyboard. All works fine under X, but when I am on
a terminal without X running, my delete key doesn't work (it types something
like [W ) and I can only use the backspace key.. how can I fix it ??
Another question : how can I force the 'Num lock' key to be enabled on
startup ?? I always have to enable it each time I begin a new session,
whether it be X or tty ..
Regards,
Spacce
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: PPP null modem (request gory details)
Date: 24 Apr 1999 21:23:48 GMT
A null modem cable is a cable in which certainof the serial port lines
are switched-- eg 2 on one end connects to 3 on the other and 3 on
thefirst to 2 on the second. This is also true of some of the other
signal lines (which I cannot remember off the top of my head).
Then each serial port must be running at the same speed and parity, or you will get
nonesense.
you must have something on one of the machines which actually watches
the serial line and does something with it. Now you can use something
like mgetty or you could just start up pppd on each of the machines at
the same time.
pppd /dev/ttyS1 115200 crtscts
on each should do.
However at least one of the machines MUST know what the IP addresses
are. So on one of them also put
192.168.0.1:192.168.0.2
as well on the line.
You might as well also put
noauth on the line for each of them, as it seems silly to request
authentication in a case like this.
So /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1 115200 crtscts noauth 192.168.0.1:192.168.0.2
on the one and
/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1 115200 crtscts noauth 192.168.0.2:192.168.0.1
could work. (I have not tried this so no guarentee.)
You might also want to put the lines
192.168.0.1 machine1
192.168.1.2 machine2
into /etc/hosts and setup the machines with their names int eh
networking stuff.
A far far faster way is to get soem cheap ethernet cards for them and
set up a small network between them. ( a factor of 100 faster at
transfering files that way)
In <7frkvu$2i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning) writes:
nu
>Hi,
> I'd like to transfer files between two PC serial ports by
>null-modem cable. I gather it's best to use PPP to do this. So, I
>read the PPP-HOWTO (http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO-27.html)
>section about null-modem links. Despite its assurance that it
>is "very simple", I can't get it going. Call me mud.
> Right off the bat, I don't know how to use getty/minicom
>to test the connection. (I read the man pages, but apparently
>I lack the necessary background). So....I skipped that step....
>Then it says to use setserial to ensure both machines are "configured
>correctly". Whatever that means. I'm feeling lucky, so I assume that
>it's already set okay (bwah!). I continue blithely. HOWTO says
>pppd -detach crtscts lock <local IP>:<remote IP> /dev/ttyS1 38400 &
>on both machines, except I don't know <local IP>:<remote IP>, so,
>as you might've guessed, I left out <local IP>:<remote IP>. However,
>using 'ps', it seems the pppd's annihilated one another.
>Ugh, I'm getting so frustrated at this point. I even tried coding it,
>and actually was able to transfer textfiles, but, oddly enough, not
>tarballs. Can someone please help me out?
>Thanks,
>Scott
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From: MrLoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem solved.
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:12:30 +0200
I have solved my problem.
MrLoke
--
ad astra per aspera
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From: MrLoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A question
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:19:36 +0200
Hello,
Any enlightenment experts out there.. ?
I was wondering how you create icons on the enlightenment desktop that
is linked to programs...
I can't seem to find a way to do this. I'll keep trying to find a
solution until someone mails me, posts a reply or I find it out myself.
Thanks in advance
MrLoke
--
ad astra per aspera
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Idiot Seeks Help 1: Linux and Modems
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:30:11 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dave Tansley wrote:
>
> Well, I was enjoying tinkering with Linux, but I've stumbled into numerous
> problems
> that I just cant solve:
>
> - Modem. I have a Hayes Internal Accura 56k modem. It's installed on my ISA
> bus, and
> works fine with Win98. It's jumpered to be COM1 IRQ 4. However, I absolutely
> cannot
> get Linux to talk to it. I have tried following just about every HOWTO, DOC
> and manual
> out there but cant seem to come close to solving my problem. I have tried
> using setserial
> to set the config, both manually and using the auto_irq options, but no
> damned luck.
> Any help would be hugely appreciated. A step by step description of what to
> do from
> idiots level upwards would be rewarded with eternal gratitude!
Do you get something like this:
$ grep serial /proc/ioports
02f8-02ff : serial(auto)
03f8-03ff : serial(auto)
$ grep serial /proc/interrupts
3: 1878795 + serial
$
?
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From: Regit Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: xfree cant find server binary???????????????
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:34:55 +0800
Log in as root, do a "file /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA" and see what the reply
is.
mike wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks ahead for considering this message
>
> I can run xfconfig and sax on SUSE 6.0 with XF86 3.3.3.1, However when I
> run startx I get the message below.
>
> "The file XF86_xxxx (binary of X-Server) doesn't seem to be a binary
> file.
> Please check it or / and install a new X-Server-binary.
> I'm aborting now."
>
> I don't understand what the message is telling me. Also, please tell me
> the process and commands that would correct this.
>
>
> OS SuSE 6.0
> XF86 version 3.3.3.1
> graphics card matrox millenium g200
>
> I don't think it is card specific. I swapped out cards, a different
> manufacture, same message.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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I've been working for 9 weeks 3 days 5 hours 3 minutes
non-stop. Please ask my stupid owner to reboot me.
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A new video card
Date: 24 Apr 1999 15:35:25 PDT
I need some video card recommendations. I now have an on-board ATI Mach 64
w/ 2 MB, and I need more oomph to run Netscape and GIMP, preferably at
1024x768, and 24 or 16 bpp. I get a lot of color map errors at 800x600, and
GIMP won't even run. Win 98 performance is important too, but I think X is
the main concern, since it seems a bit more video-hungry. I'm not a gamer,
so I don't really care about 3D (yet). I want to invest in a card that will
last me awhile, so I can move it over to a new machine in the next year or
so.
Thanks,
Matt O.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Smith)
Subject: Re: Apostraphes being replaced with question marks?
Date: 24 Apr 1999 22:48:54 GMT
On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:14:58 -0400, Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmm... this is weird, I've just noticed that in Netscape some of the
>apostrophe's seem to be replaced by question marks. At first I thought
>this was a typos on the part of a crummy webmaster, until I noticed it
>on several sites. I'm assuming that this is a font issue, anyone else
>seen this?
It's people writing web pages with Windows software that uses the wrong
character for apostrophes. Instead of the ' character, it uses a Windows
specific character set that pretends to be iso-8859-X compatible but has
characters in the "non printable control code" part of the ISO character
sets. That's why you see them as question marks.
>
>Steve
>
>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.comfig,redhat.general
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Newbie Web Site Updated
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:38:41 GMT
[posted & mailed]
On Apr 24, 1999 at 23:17, Diane Adams eloquently wrote:
>Hi,
>I just finished updating my web site. The site has links and information
>about Linux. I have designed the site to help newbies to Linux find
>informationon the OS. I would greatly appreciate it if you just checked
>it out and let me know what you think, I can use all of the input I can
>get. Thanks to all of the people who comented on the site already. I
>hope you like the new additions. The address is:
>http://www.angelfire.com/sc/linux/lin.html
IMHO U left out two important sites:
- Freshmeat - www.freshmeat.net
- Deja News - www.dejanews.com
--
perfect guest:
One who makes his host feel at home.
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:12:47 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.6
MrLoke wrote:
>
> I appreciate the help, thanks.
>
> MrLoke
> --
> ad astra per aspera
I meant modem not mouse, sorry.
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:23:58 -0400
From: DJ Delorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: scanners
jik- wrote:
>
> I can't find a scanner howto, were do I get info on scanners?
A good starting point is http://www.mostang.com/sane/
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows NTDETECT
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:44:01 -0400
Hello,
I recently upgraded my machine and want to create a boot configuration
similar to yours. I have Win95 on the primary dos and extended dos
partitions on an existing drive. I also have Linux kernel 2.0.34 on
/dev/hda3 and use Lilo to boot.
I now have a new 17.5GB drive and want to run Win95A, WinNT4.0, Linux
2.0 and Linux 2.2, with one of the Linux partitions to be a test bed for
upgrades and new software. Eventually, with any luck win95 will go
away.
I know that MS software can be somewhat picky (not to mention buggy)
:-). What I am wondering is, are there any restrictions as far as which
physical disk or partition it is installed in or how it is booted?
I would appreciate any practical suggestion on how to do this.
Thanks
Dave
diahedrial wrote:
>
> My recommendation: First, make sure you have a floppy that can boot
> Linux, then, boot off the NT install boot floppies and choose the
> "repair" option, (you do have your emergency repair disk, right?),
> and in the repair options, just have it repair the boot files.
> Hopefully that will get your NT install booting again... and maybe
> the win95 as well. Then, if you want to use LILO for the multi-boot,
> boot off the Linux boot floppy, check your /etc/lilo.conf then re-run
> /sbin/lilo and when you reboot, you should have a lilo prompt and
> be able to boot Linux, or NT, if you choose NT, it should give you
> the option of booting win95. Also... you can use NT's boot loader
> to boot linux as well as NT. Just setup your /etc/lilo.conf file
> to install in the linux root partition, instead of the MBR, then
> use "dd" to write out the boot file for NT's loader, like this:
> dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/mnt/c_drive/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1
> (this assumes that the linux root partition is "/dev/hda3", and
> that your "C:\" drive is mounted under "/c_drive", adjust acording
> to your setup...). Anyway, then just edit the "C:\boot.ini" file
> and add a line at the bottom:
> Linux = C:\bootsect.lnx
> and reboot, Linux will show up in NT's boot menu, select it and
> boot Linux, I've been booting win95/NT4.0/Linux via NT's bootloader
> for years... (your mileage may very) Hope this has been of some help,
> -diahedrial
>
> Paul Blaylock wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like a real mess! I dont really understand enought about these things
> > to offer a solution but I have set up a few dual boot systems so maybe some
> > of what I have learned will help.
> >
> > AFAIK the 1024 cylinder bit is fairly crucial when booting operating
> > systems, in that the bios will not look past 1024 cyclinders for the boot
> > partition.
> >
> > I looked at installing linux dual boot with NT and it looked pretty daunting
> > the procedures involved in making the boot sequence work. The one thing I
> > did pick up was that the NT boot loader likes to control things so you
> > should avoid messing with it! (I got around this by installing linux and not
> > letting it install Lilo, I boot linux from a floppy which works fine and is
> > no slower than booting NT off HDD).
> >
> > If it comes to a reinstall I would install windows95 then NT so that the NT
> > boot loader is in charge. Install Linux and boot that from a floppy
> >
> > Justyn Bridge wrote in message <7f7e30$1e6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >Have got myself in quite a sticky situation. This quite a long story but
> > >feel if anyone can help i will have to put in as much info as i can so
> > >please bare with me.
> > >
> > >I have got Win95b and WinNT 4 WS station installed om my PC. A few weeks
> > ago
> > >my PC started booting straight into 95 with out giving me the WinNT
> > NTLoader
> > >menu. It didn't bother me much at the time as i didn't have any use for NT.
> > >However i have now created a network between 2 PC's and would like to be
> > >able to WinNT again. I have always wanted Linux on my PC and from what i
> > had
> > >read up about it, i could get 95, NT and Linux to boot up from the Linux
> > >menu. So i installed Redhat 5.2 and tried to get Lilo ( Linux command
> > >promt ) to see my NT boot sector. Uhh,uhh - no way. When trying to boot
> > into
> > >NT from Lilo i got tis error message ( A kernal file is missing from the
> > >disk. Insert a system diskette and restart the system ) So that didn't work
> > >although i could get to 95 from Lilo. Hokay, not so bad, more or less the
> > >same situation i was in before installing Linux. So i decided to use the NT
> > >repair disk option and go through the repair, During the repair i get this
> > >huge message explaining that setup has determined that one or more of your
> > >hard disks has more than 1024 cylinders. ( Not to sure about my cylinders
> > >side of things - however at the end of this message it states "This message
> > >does not necessarily indicate and error condition. It is intended to alert
> > >you to the fact that one or more of your hard disks may actually be larger
> > >than the size for which it is currently configured.
> > >
> > >Right, so i read up on this and find that a DOS utility called Bootpart can
> > >repair my WinNT boot sector - nice one! Try to repair it - all seems okay,
> > >cross my fingers and then reboot the PC hoping that NT menu will appear or
> > i
> > >will beable to get to it from Lilo.l What happens, I get an error message
> > >NTDETECT Failed and the PC hangs. So now no 95 no NT but linux is ok.
> > >However when using the 95 startup disk, i can see al my files no prob and
> > >using NTFSDOS i can see all my NT files. I tried to boot 95 from DOS and
> > >got this error message." Registry file was not found. Registry services may
> > >be inoperative for this session. XMS cache problem. Registry service may be
> > >inoperative. A device or resource required by VFAT is not present or is
> > >unavailable. VFAT cannot continue loading. System halted".
> > >
> > >Pretty screwed huh!!! I am going to try and replace NTDTECT.COM this
> > weekend
> > >and NTLDR. But it's looking pretty grim for any recovery. I appreciate
> > >anyone reading this huge posting and if you have the slightest hint/tip or
> > >any info - i will be most greatful.
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kernel compilation fails couldn't connect to display
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:19:02 GMT
Hello, i got the following error when compiling the kernel (linux S.U.S.E
5.3):
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 101
application-specific initialization failed: couldn't connect to display
"linuxtjpc:0"
invalid comand name "button"
while executing
"button.ref"
(file "scripts/kconfig.tk" line 26)
make: *** [xconfig] Error 1
what is wrong in that case? how can i get it run and what could have happened
because it ran some day before.
Torsten Jenkner
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From: "Svend S. Sorensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: umounting cdrom
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:40:12 -0700
The standard unmount command is "umount /mnt/cdrom" not "umount
/dev/cdrom"
The Dude wrote:
>
> After I mount my cdrom as a user (not root) I can't eject it. What should I
> do? Do I have to log as root and unmount it? (I can mount as a user but why
> can't I umunt?) -- Regards The Dude
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Two questions
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:39:25 GMT
(1). What's the name of FORTRAN compiler under linux and where can I get it?
I use RH5.1 and couldn't find any program like f77 or f90 in the CD, and
the only place I've seen words related to FORTRAN was in Emacs, which I
don't know how to use.
(2). I installed crxvt & xcin(gb version, 2.1d), crxvt runs fine, but when I
issue the command "xcin" I got a core dump saying couldn't find some path
or something. If I type "Xcin" instead, the program runs, the window
popped up, and the options did change when clicked them, however that's
all I get, I can't input anything! Anyone knows what I'm doing wrong?
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanx!
--yl
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From: "Jerome PAYS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: creating a start up floppy disk
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:40:29 +0200
mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 <kernel_version>
your kernel version is given by 'uname -r'
Spacce
The Dude a �crit dans le message <7ft23t$f41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi
>I have have Red Hat 5.2 + KDE 1.1 up and running.
>I would like to make a start up floppy disk (just in case...), how do I do
it?
>
>Regards
>
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backspace going nuts under X?!?
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 20:45:48 GMT
David Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My favorite "pet" is xterm, in which Bksp works, until you use an
> application which opens the keyboard for input (<stdin>), in which
> case it loses it, but doing an "stty erase ^H" doesn't change anything
> at the commmand prompt, but does fix Bksp for <stdin>. How can that be?
That's because some applications look at stty, some look at termcap,
some look at terminfo (and a few are hardcoded). I've been recently
working on changes to make stty follow terminfo/termcap (or make
termcap follow stty), so there's a little less confusion.
The XFree86 3.3.3 xterm supports ANSI color and VT220 emulation
There's an faq at
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html
ftp://ftp.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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