Linux-Misc Digest #941, Volume #20 Tue, 6 Jul 99 08:13:12 EDT
Contents:
conversion ("FTO")
Re: How do I tell "man" or "emacs" to use full telnet window? (Chris Mahmood)
Re: Solving the 1024 cylinder LILO problem (Villy Kruse)
Help Telnet (Regione Piemonte Settore Decentrato OO. PP. Cuneo)
Newbie problems! ("Jose A. Jones")
NIS and portmap (Pawel Skonecki)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (De Messemaeker Johan)
Re: ESS1868 installation under 2.2.x (Peter Caffin)
Re: Lynx And Proxy Server (help) (John Thompson)
Re: Kernel 2.2.x and arp (Clifford Kite)
Ports in dosemu ("rick")
Linux T-Shirts (Michael Ransburg)
Re: first/second/third world (Richard Kulisz)
What good are portmap, routed, and atd? (Yan Seiner)
diskless linux (Piyush Agarwal)
Did anyone compile imlib in solaris? (Guillermo)
Re: Plugin problems!
Re: Lynx And Proxy Server (help) (Mark Howson)
Re: Linux vs Solaris (Martin)
Comments about distro wars ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "FTO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: conversion
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:41:43 +0400
Are there any programs that can convert a Linux or Unix spreadsheet into
excel. I need to do this at work because unfortunately we use office97 in
the office.
Thanks
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Subject: Re: How do I tell "man" or "emacs" to use full telnet window?
Date: 05 Jul 1999 11:57:33 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
eval `resize`
-ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Solving the 1024 cylinder LILO problem
Date: 6 Jul 1999 10:23:21 +0200
IN short this text in German says that you can get around the 1024 cyl
limit using the below mentioned patch. This will change the lilo
loader os it will use the int13ext call whenever available in
the bios and you specify "linear" in the lilo.conf file. With this
they could load things located at cyl 5103 without problem.
The say, however, that there are stilla 8Gb limit with this solution
because of the 24 bits available for each sector number.
Also, this is highly experimenta
because of the 24 bits available for each sector number.
Also, this is highly experimental code.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holger Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Die 1024 Zylinder Grenze von lilo ist in der NG ja h�ufig genug
>diskutiert worden. Selbst lilo-21 schafft hier noch keine Abhilfe. Ich
>habe einen kleinen Patch gemacht, der lilo auf dem Extended INT13
>Interface aufsetzen l��t, sofern es im Mainboard BIOS vorhanden ist.
>Damit entf�llt die 1024 Zylinder Grenze. Nach Anwenden des Patches (und
>Neukompilieren usw.) bewirkt das Einsetzen der Option "linear" in die
>lilo.conf einen gr��eren Unterschied als vorher, n�mlich nun Nutzung von
>INT13Ext. Ich kann hier z.B. prima von einer Partition booten, die bei
>Zylindernummer 5103 beginnt. Es bleibt allerdings bei diesem
>vergleichsweise geringf�gigen Eingriff eine 8 GByte Grenze bestehen,
>weil auch in der linearen Darstellung die Sektordeskriptoren mit nur
>24bit Breite gespeichert sind; das reicht bis 2^24 * 512 Byte.
>
>lilo bietet ja sehr viele Features.... ob die alle mit dem Patch
>funktionieren, habe ich nicht getestet. Es bleibt also vorl�ufig im
>experimentellen Stadium. Die ganz normale Anwendung von lilo
>geht aber damit - jedenfalls hier. Wer auch damit herumprobieren m�chte,
>--> http://home.t-online.de/home/rolf.siebrecht/lilo1024.html
>
>
>Bye,
> Rolf
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Regione Piemonte Settore Decentrato OO. PP. Cuneo)
Subject: Help Telnet
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:19:22 GMT
Hi to all,
I'm using Slackware 3.6 (2.0.35 Kernel ver.) and I want to use
it without monitor, I'm connecting via Win95. Please, anybody knows
what kind of Terminal Client works best for this job? (the telnet prog
coming with win95 doesn't work with some programs like minicom or
color command).
Thanks
P.S.: sorry for this reply of question but my first e-mail adress was
wrong
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From: "Jose A. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.answer,comp.os.linux.hardware,dc.org.linux-users,linux.dev.newbie,linux.redhat.install,linux.dev.laptop,linux.dev.sound
Subject: Newbie problems!
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:27:40 GMT
Hi, I'm a newbie and had few questions/problems.
1. I created a regular account so that I didn't had to log in as
root. The problem is that when I try to use the dial up (kpp) it gives
me this error. "pppd not properly installed. The ppd binary must be
installed witht he SUID bit set. Contact your system administrator" It
works fine under root, but not this regular user. I it as part of the
"root" group.
2. My sound card doesn't work. I have an IBM Thinkpad 310ED laptop
with an OPL-3 SAx sound card, I tried all of the settings with no joy.
Can anyone help me out here please. You can send me responses to
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Thanks in advance for all of your help.
J.
Linux rules, windoze blows!
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From: Pawel Skonecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NIS and portmap
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:35:31 +0000
I can not run the NIS. I have a Mandrake 5.3 and RH 5.2 (Alpha).
I have to make the NIS servis betwen that serwers.My version of
NIS server is ypserv-1.3.5-1
OK. When I start to configure I have to sign my NIS in portmap.(I make
all
step by step from HOWTO-NIS).
My portmap is runing everytime
[root@kft /root]# ps aux | grep portmap
bin 269 0.0 0.3 760 332 ? S 12:08 0:00 portmap
root 648 0.0 0.3 840 352 p0 S 12:15 0:00 grep portmap
[root@kft /root]#
and I edited /var/yp/securenets
#
# securenets This file defines the access rights to your NIS server
# for NIS clients. This file contains netmask/network
# pairs. A clients IP address needs to match with at least
# one of those.
#
# One can use the word "host" instead of a netmask of
# 255.255.255.255. Only IP addresses are allowed in this
# file, not hostnames.
#
# Always allow access for localhost
255.0.0.0 127.0.0.0
# This line gives access to everybody. PLEASE ADJUST!
255.255.255.128 212.182.8.0
I didn't change my /etc/ypserv.conf
#
# ypserv.conf In this file you can set certain options for the NIS
server,
# and you can deny or restrict access to certain maps
based
# on the originating host.
#
# See ypserv.conf(5) for a description of the syntax.
#
# Some options for ypserv. This things are all not needed, if
# you have a Linux net.
sunos_kludge: no
dns: no
# The following, when uncommented, will give you shadow like passwords.
# Note that it will not work if you have slave NIS servers in your
# network that do not run the same server as you.
# Host : Map : Security :
Passwd_mangle
#
# * : passwd.byname : port : yes
# * : passwd.byuid : port : yes
# Not everybody should see the shadow passwords, not secure, since
# under MSDOG everbody is root and can access ports < 1024 !!!
* : shadow.byname : port : yes
# If you comment out the next rule, ypserv and rpc.ypxfrd will
# look for YP_SECURE and YP_AUTHDES in the maps. This will make
# the security check a little bit slower, but you only have to
# change the keys on the master server, not the configuration files
# on each NIS server.
# If you have maps with YP_SECURE or YP_AUTHDES, you should create
# a rule for them above, that's much faster.
* : * : none
I think that I did all ok. I start ypserv after I make it.
rpcinfo -u kft.umcs.lublin.pl ypserv
and It's answer my system
rpcinfo: RPC: Program not registered
program 100004 is not available
if I run my ypserv again i have this information
program 100004 version 1 ready and waiting
program 100004 version 2 ready and waiting
and I find in my messages
Jul 6 12:08:57 kft ypserv[395]: sunos_kludge (line 12) is not longer
supported.
Jul 6 12:08:57 kft ypserv[395]: Parse error in line 12: => Ignore line
and with option -d
[root@kft yp]# ypserv -d
[Welcome to the NYS YP Server, version 1.3.5 (with tcp wrapper)]
sunos_kludge (line 12) is not longer supported.
Parse error in line 12: => Ignore line
ypserv.conf: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0:shadow.byname:2:1:2
ypserv.conf: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0:*:0:0:2
Becouse I have to make the NIS I please help my by my NIS server.
My network is 212.182.8.0 and NIS server 212.182.8.104
--
******************************************************************************
Pawel Skonecki
Polecam strony o Zydach lubelskich http://platon.man.lublin.pl/~stona/JEWS/
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From: De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:32:43 +0200
Jon Skeet wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Exactly *what* do you define WWII as? The war against Germany began
> > when Britain and France declared war. As far as I am concerned, WWII
> > began when the US declared war on Japan and Germany declared war on
> > the US.
>
> Presumably this means that as far as you're concerned, any wars in which
> the US didn't participate never happened at all. How lovely it must be to
> live in a world with a more peaceful history than the real one.
Their is a rumour that the education-level in the states is much lower than
here in Europe. Stuff like above makes me believe it ...
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ESS1868 installation under 2.2.x
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:52:20 +0800
Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still haven't heard anything from anyone who has one of these cards
> who's running kernel 2.2.x..
Finally got around to getting this working properly :-)
After entering the linux kernel `make menuconfig` script's Sound section,
I chose:
| |[M] Sound card support | |
[...]
| |[M] OSS sound modules | |
[...]
| |[M] 100% Sound Blaster compatibles (SB16/32/64, ESS, Jazz1 | |
| |[M] Generic OPL2/OPL3 FM synthesizer support | |
[...]
| |[M] MPU-401 support (NOT for SB16) | |
[...]
| |[M] Microsoft Sound System support | |
[...]
| |[M] FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL-3) support | |
| |[M] Loopback MIDI device support | |
[...]
I have in my /etc/isapnp.conf the following settings:
(DEBUG)
(READPORT 0x0203)
(ISOLATE)
(IDENTIFY *)
(VERBOSITY 2)
(CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING
(CONFIGURE ESS1868/1 (LD 1
(DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1))
(DMA 1 (CHANNEL 0))
(INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E)))
(IO 0 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220))
(IO 1 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388))
(IO 2 (SIZE 2) (BASE 0x0330))
(NAME "ESS1868/1[1]{ESS ES1868 Plug and Play AudioDrive}")
(ACT Y)
))
(WAITFORKEY)
I created a script in /etc/rc.boot/ess1868_init.sh which has the following:
#!/bin/sh
# ESS1868F AudioDrive initialization
echo "Initialising AudioDrive modules..."
/sbin/modprobe sound
/sbin/insmod uart401
/sbin/insmod sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=-1
/sbin/insmod mpu401 io=0x330
/sbin/insmod opl3 io=0x388
/sbin/insmod v_midi
Hope this has been useful to somebody else out there :-).
--: _ _ _ _
_oo__ |_|_ |__ _ | _ |_|_o _ peter at ptcc dot it dot net dot au |
//`'\_ | (/_|(/_| |_(_|| | || | http://it.net.au/~pc |
/ PO Box 869, Hillarys WA 6923, AUSTRALIA |
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lynx And Proxy Server (help)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:44:46 -0600
"Brett R. Rosselle" wrote:
> I searched DejaNews and didn't come up with anything. Can someone tell me
> how to get Lynx to work through a proxy server?
Did you look in /etc/lynx.cfg? It's a heavily commented
configuration file:
# Lynx version 2.2 and beyond supports the use of proxy
servers that can
# act as firewall gateways and caching servers. They are
preferable to
# the older gateway servers. Each protocol used by Lynx can
be mapped
# separately using PROTOCOL_proxy environment variables (see
INSTALLATION).
# If you have not set them externally, you can set them at
run time via
# this configuration file. They will not override external
settings.
# The no_proxy variable can be a comma-separated list of
hosts which should
# not be proxied, or an asterisk to override all proxy
variables.
# Note that on VMS they are set as process logicals rather
than symbols,
# to preserve lowercasing, and will outlive the Lynx image.
#
#http_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#https_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#ftp_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#gopher_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#news_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#newspost_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#newsreply_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#snews_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#snewspost_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#snewsreply_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#nntp_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#wais_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#finger_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#cso_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#no_proxy:host.domain.dom
Perhaps that will help?
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: kite@NoSpam.%inetport.com (Clifford Kite)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.x and arp
Date: 5 Jul 1999 21:38:07 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I see the same behavior with any kernel v2.2.x and v2.3.x (through 9).
: Also, Proxy arp *doesn't* work. No matter what I do. I have checked with
: a sniffer. The Linux box receives the ARP request, and *ignores* it.
See if this helps:
echo -n 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp
Or replace "all" with the appropriate interface. There's a one-line
reference to this in linux/Documentation/proc.txt from the 2.2.x kernel
source tree.
--
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com> Not a guru. (tm)
/* Editing with vi is a lot better than using a huge swiss army knife. */
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From: "rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ports in dosemu
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:59:06 GMT
Dear friends. I have RH 5.0, kernel 2.0.32 . I have to run a DOS programm in
dosemu. This programm has to comunicate with a device connected to PC
through RS232. Everything is ok when it's connected to com1 (in dosemu.conf
related line is: com1 /dev/ttyS0 ),
but when I try to change to com2 problem arises. I can receive data from my
device, but I can't send anything to. Setserial is the same for both ttyS.
Minicom can operate on this com without any problems.
Who can help me ? Thank You in advance. Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ransburg)
Subject: Linux T-Shirts
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:06:01 GMT
Hi!
I'm looking for a site with some cool Linux T-Shirts, mugs, tuxs and so
on. If they are distribution specific I'd prefer RedHat. I already went to
redhat.com, but the T-Shirts they have there are simply boring ;)
I'm looking for something funny, maybe a little provocating :) A wide
range of different T-Shirts / wearables would be nice.
thanks
mike
--
Curious? Look at http://daneel.tsx.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 6 Jul 1999 11:42:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Rob Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Are you referring to Haiti? *laugh* Moron.
Are you going to grace us with a Beavis and Butthead laugh next?
I'm pretty sure I know more about what happened to Jean-Bertrand
Aristide than you do, asshole.
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What good are portmap, routed, and atd?
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:40:54 -0400
All of these are enabled and started as part of the standard RH 5.2
install. I do not run NIS, my network is basically static (DHCP
assigned clients, fixed IP servers, and a fixed internet IP) - no
routers, etc. I use cron to schedule jobs.
>From reading the man pages, it seems I don't need any of these, so I
eliminated them from the startup scripts and killed the processes. No
problems so far, but is there something I'm missing?
BTW, I've gone through the startup scripts and inetd.conf, and I'm
amazed at how much stuff is running that's unnecessary. Security aside,
something like 30% of my system resources was being consumed by stuff
which I never used....
Yan
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From: Piyush Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: diskless linux
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:33:49 +0530
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need to boot diskless linux from flash. I saw etherboot and netboot
but they require a server on the net. I have a standalone linux board
with no NFS server. The kernel image has to be burnt in flash and if any
directory structure is required then it has to be created in flash or
RAMDISK. Please advise on how this can be achieved.
Thanks,
Piyush
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From: Guillermo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Did anyone compile imlib in solaris?
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:32:37 +0200
The solaris always displays the same message, despite the configure
check looks all fine.
I have installed gtk1.2.3 and it works properly.
Any help
Thanks a million
Guillermo
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I. -I. -I../gdk_imlib
-I../gdk_imlib -I/usr/openwin/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include
-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/openwin/include
-I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include
-INONE/include -g -O2 -c imlib_config.c
In file included from /usr/include/locale.h:47,
from imlib_config.c:35:
/usr/include/libintl.h:25: parse error before `const'
/usr/include/libintl.h:26: parse error before `const'
/usr/include/libintl.h:27: parse error before `const'
/usr/include/libintl.h:28: parse error before `const'
/usr/include/libintl.h:29: parse error before `const'
imlib_config.c: In function `add_onoff_visual':
imlib_config.c:1293: warning: passing arg 2 of
`gtk_clist_new_with_titles' from incompatible pointer type
make[2]: *** [imlib_config.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/imlib-1.9.4/utils'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/imlib-1.9.4'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Plugin problems!
Date: 6 Jul 1999 11:30:50 GMT
Gergo Barany wrote:
>
> In article <7lqfis$hbp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > libc.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory
> > Can't load plugin /opt/netscape/plugins/nppdf.so. Ignored
> >
> >
> >I'm using SuSE Linux 6.1 on my PC, and don't know how to switch from
> >libc.so.6 to 5. My system uses libc.so.6 as default I suppose!
>
> You don't want to switch to libc.so.5, believe me. It's outdated; forget
> it. What you could do is to complain to Netscape about this, or to wait
> patiently for just a few months until all this libc horror is over.
>
> >------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> > http://www.searchlinux.com
>
> I've seen many people use this, and I can only tell you, stop it. As you
> might be able to see from the quoted parts of your message, it puts
> garbage at the end of your lines. Use Usenet with a newsreader like
> everyone else. It's a lot more comfortable that web-based news, believe
> me.
>
> Gergo
>
> --
> If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all.
> -- Ronald Reagan
>
> GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
> PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
Dear Gergo,
Thanks for your response! I'm however afraid that I don't understand what
is happening at all. Okay, I can wait, and I'm to eager, to at least, try
to understand things, and tried the following.
I succeeded in locating the libc.so.5 on my system and it's still present,
but in the directory called: /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib. So I added this
to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and started the ldd command, which completed
successfully!
Next I started netscape, and found that the plugin nppdf.so was being
recognised by the browser. But clicking on a pdf icon on a randomly
selected site results in a Bus error????
So, my next question is, what is causing this error message? Am I doing
something terribly wrong, or what?
Please try to be help, if possible! Thanks for your attention!
Regards,
Gerard
================== Posted via SearchLinux ==================
http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: Mark Howson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lynx And Proxy Server (help)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:35:43 +0100
"Brett R. Rosselle" wrote:
> I searched DejaNews and didn't come up with anything. Can someone tell me
> how to get Lynx to work through a proxy server?
Try setting http_proxy to your proxy address and port (from the shell)
like:
http_proxy=http://<your proxy ip>:<your proxy port>/
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin )
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Linux vs Solaris
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 99 11:37:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm building a mission-critical high throughput OLTP application which
>required considerable scalability. I'm trying to choose between Linux and
>Solaris for the operating system.
>
>Does anyone have any views on this matter?
>
>Any help or advice appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>
>
There used to be a saying that "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". The
same is probably true in your case - Linux is pretty good these days and quite
probably would meet your needs but, IF you do have a problem, you could have a
difficult time explaining your choice! If you run Solaris and it falls over -
blame SUN.
Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Comments about distro wars
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:25:20 GMT
I was browsing the newsgroup trying to find a distro for myself, getting
tired of redhat as server (too much preset stuff, had to erase them all
to setup my own) Then I saw all those distro wars, for some reason, I
feel that the distro war nowadays is different from before. It used to
be distro war on package management, technical....... Now, it seems that
the people involved are mainly newbie.
With no reasons to support themselves (xyz distro works for me,
therefore, it is better) Very tasteless, some guy can't even distinguish
between disto and desktop manager and comparing KDE with a distro... :-)
Some of them even compare the price of Linux distro 70 something for RH
vs 20 something for mandrake. And some say since xxx is more expensive,
it is better.
Some guys just got to wake up and learn more before they make up all
these things and post it on newsgroup.
Jason Lam
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