Linux-Misc Digest #941, Volume #27 Fri, 25 May 01 10:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: XTerm Question (Martin Gregorie)
Re: Strange GCC problem on LINUX box ("Jonathan G. Campbell")
Re: LUG question, please help (Vegard Engen)
Re: Kernel 2.4.4 & National Language Support (LiNuCe)
Re: Strange GCC problem on LINUX box (Alex)
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free (Roger Blake)
Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ? (Gareth Jones)
Re: rsync with ssh and no password prompt (Gareth Jones)
about inetd.conf on RH7.1 ("Lucas")
Re: @Home setup SO SLOW ("LRW")
Re: about inetd.conf on RH7.1 (Christopher Albert)
Postscript file corrupted - extracting text/patching ("Theo van der Merwe")
Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ? (Roger Blake)
Re: LILO and Operating System Missing (LRW)
Re: strange output using lpr command (Jean-David Beyer)
setup a printer under Linux. ("Eric Chow")
Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ? (Jeffrey Hood)
Re: setup a printer under Linux. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help? (LRW)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Gregorie)
Subject: Re: XTerm Question
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:13:55 GMT
On Thu, 24 May 2001 18:20:30 GMT, "Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Also, there's X-Win32 from downloadable from StarNet, which is much easier
>to work with than Exceed. If you are talking from a corporate supported
>perspective get Exceed which includes FTP and Telnet sessions.
>
>
.. as well as Netsarang (which I haven't tried yet) though its much
cheaper than Exceed.
If all you need is a text window using telnet or ssh protocols then go
get PuTTY, which works very well and is free.
--
gregorie | Martin Gregorie
@logica | Logica Ltd
com | +44 020 76379111
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From: "Jonathan G. Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: Strange GCC problem on LINUX box
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:28:57 -0400
kalimuthu pothi wrote:
>
> Hai,
>
> Today i had some strange problem with newline character before the
> end of the file. Here is my program which explains my problem in
[...]
> Content on readme file:
> =======================
> hello
>
> output:
> =======
> newline character detected
>
> But note that i NEVER included any newline character in
This is more comp.lang.c territory.
I think if you read about the C model of a file/stream (Kernighan &
Ritchie ?), you will find that it has a model of a stream as a sequence
of 'lines' and each 'line' is a sequence of zero or more characters
terminated with a newline. In other words, in C's model it is impossible
to read a line without '\n', i.e. if '\n' isn't there, C will insert
one.
Another case is that of MS-DOS/Windows. There, in physical files, lines
are terminated with '\r' '\n'. However, C insures that a program never
sees the '\r'.
Best regards,
Jon C.
--
Jonathan G Campbell, Computer Science, Queen's University
Belfast, BT7 1NN Tel +44 (0)28 90 274623 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.cs.qub.ac.uk/~J.Campbell/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vegard Engen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,alt.comp.linux.xxx,alt.os.linux.best,comp.os.linux.help,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: LUG question, please help
Date: 25 May 2001 11:47:41 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
aaronBauman wrote:
>disclaimer: if this is off-topic, please email me offlist to redirect me.
>
>hi all,
>i'm trying to get together a LUG in NYC, specifically in the Columbia U.
>community. anyone have any experience with managing LUGs or starting
>them, or attending them? I'd really like to talk about linux with other
>people who are also into it, but i don't know how to start...
>help much appreciated.
Sure. We restarted Bergen Linux User Group last spring. A few experiences:
- Don't get TOO organized before it's absolutely necessary. In BLUG, the
"board" is still just the collection of members who actually happen to show
up at the management meetings.
- Start off with some easy topics. Perhaps hold them yourselves at first.
- If the interest is there, and you're a collection of people who do this
for fun, things will get easier over time. We have a public meeting every
last thursday in the month. This spring has more or less filled itself with
topics. For the april meeting, we even invited Alan Cox. This was a successful
meeting. The clue to attract people like him, is to do it because you like it,
and make it fun for THEM too.
- Direct sponsorship is easier than managing money yourselves. The Alan Cox
meeting was sponsored by a local consultant company - my employer, actually.
Less hassle with money and bureauratics, more time for Linux.
And this is really all there was. The rest really went by itself. We have a
deal with the university that we can borrow an auditorium for free. I'm not
sure you're going to be that lucky. But, there's still NO money involved in
BLUG, every meeting is free for all. The only sort of formal membership is
being on the mailing list - and it's a list open for subscription by
everyone....
The important thing is to learn something about Linux, and bring back the fun
in computing. I just have to mention our successfull RFC 1149 implementation,
in all of this: http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
--
- Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team.
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From: LiNuCe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.4.4 & National Language Support
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:50:36 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You probably mount a vfat partition (at least, I have the same
module autoloading doing this) : if you have NLS support
compiled in the kernel, and if you use kmod for module
autoloading, then when a module is needed, kmod will invoque
modprobe, which will resolv module dependencies and will load
the appropriate modules. See in/ lib/modules/2.4.4/ for a text
file named modules.dep that list modules dependencies (updated
when you use depmod -a after a kernel build).
You can find more about kmod and modprobe in kmod.txt and
modules.txt in the Documentation directory of the kernel
sources.
--
LiNuCe !
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: Strange GCC problem on LINUX box
Date: 25 May 2001 11:49:44 GMT
In gnu.gcc.help kalimuthu pothi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Today i had some strange problem with newline character before the
> end of the file. Here is my program which explains my problem in
> detail...
<snip>
> But note that i NEVER included any newline character in
> my readme file. And also if i included any (say n) newline
> character(s), then the output shows that it detects n+1 newline
> characters.
Are you quite sure? It is pretty standard to have a newline before EOF
in the unix-world.
You can check with:
cat -A readme
A newline will show as $, the dollar sign.
--
Alex
tamm at cs dot helsinki dot fi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:03:24 GMT
On Fri, 25 May 2001 03:58:01 +0000, Richard Thrippleton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>characters regardless? I know there's some reason for this, but it escapes
>me at this time. Any ideas?
Because the most popular character-cell terminals (ANSI/DEC VT-xxx series)
have 80-column wide screens. You'll notice that if you use a terminal
emulator or the Linux console, that's what you'll get by default.
(There was a time on Usenet when no one would need such a thing explained
to them. :-)
--
Roger Blake
(remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)
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From: Gareth Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:03:39 GMT
Corne Beerse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Willy Reinhardt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Somebody know a compatible Microsoft exchange server for Linux ?
>
>How compatible do you need?
>Functional compatible is avialable in every linux distribution.
What's the linux variant for the groupware features - shared
calendaring, global address books available offline etc.?
>you don't want the stability compatibility (linux tends to be more
>stable).
No doubt about that. I haven't worked with Exch2k much yet, but with
5.5, there was a definite flakiness....
Gareth
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From: Gareth Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rsync with ssh and no password prompt
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:06:23 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Zanella) wrote:
>Thanks for your suggestion which is basically the contents of one of the question
>from the FAQ I referred to earlier but with the client and server switched
>around. I tried both your approach and the FAQ's approach but in both cases
>I am still prompted for a password hence the expect script.
Forget about rsync for now, and simply work on being able to ssh to
the remote machine. If you can't do that without being prompted for a
password, and if you are sure that the identity and identity.pub files
are in the right places, then maybe it is the ssh install on the
remote machine that is at fault. Do you have root access to the remote
machine to check this out?
Gareth
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From: "Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: about inetd.conf on RH7.1
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:22:10 +0800
Anyone know where does inetd.conf go on RH7.1?
Thanks,
Lucas
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From: "LRW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: @Home setup SO SLOW
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:25:40 GMT
Thanks for the advice!! But I really want to edit the files myself manually,
as I used Linuxconf once to configue Apache, and it completely hosed my
http.conf (sp?).
BTW, is the /etc/hosts file basically the same thing as an LMHOSTS in
Windows? I ask because your saying yours is large made the connection for
me.
Liam
"Neil Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>SNIP<<
>
> My /etc/hosts file is very large but the single entry looks like this:
>
> 24.2.89.230 AB12345-A.x.yy.home.com AB12345-A
>
> I'm static.
>
> Using Linuxconf may help (it's on your system), but then you'll have
> to play with the client setting under network (and figure out where
> everything is).
>
> --
> Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>SNIP<<
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From: Christopher Albert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: about inetd.conf on RH7.1
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:26:41 +0200
Lucas wrote:
>
> Anyone know where does inetd.conf go on RH7.1?
>
> Thanks,
> Lucas
Lucas
xinetd has replaced it. Check out
man xinetd
Chris
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From: "Theo van der Merwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Postscript file corrupted - extracting text/patching
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:22:12 +0200
I have obtained a Postscript file (apparently generated with Microsoft Word)
of which I can only read the first page using gv (an error - moveto - is
generated on the next page). I have the following questions:
a) How do I extract just the text from the Postscript file? How is the raw
text in a Postscript file encoded?
b) Is it possible to fix a corrupted Postscript file (e.g. by extracting the
usable portions to a new file)?
Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Theo van der Merwe ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ?
Date: 25 May 2001 12:45:00 GMT
Gareth Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the linux variant for the groupware features
what's that?
> shared calendaring, global address books available offline etc.?
If you want something that can keep your appointment, why you don't
use an LDAP server? There are various LDAP available for Linux.
Davide
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ?
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:38:23 +0200
Gareth Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Corne Beerse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the linux variant for the groupware features - shared
> calendaring, global address books available offline etc.?
I've never understood what this is all about. Can't these windows
people share files? Don't they have email lists? news groups?
web/mail/news gateways? Hypermail?
(BTW, netscape comes with some calendar thing that I've never known
what it is for, so that might be what you are meaning).
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Subject: Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ?
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:54:32 GMT
On Fri, 25 May 2001 14:38:23 +0200, Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've never understood what this is all about. Can't these windows
>people share files? Don't they have email lists? news groups?
It's about providing point-and-drool functionality for lusers who have
worked with PCs for 10 or 15 years and *still* couldn't copy a file
to save their sorry rear ends, even *with* a GUI.
--
Roger Blake
(remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)
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From: LRW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: LILO and Operating System Missing
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:24:47 -0500
That's a lot of great info! Printed it out and saved it.
Since the WinME is on its own partition apart from my apps and
documents, I just formatted and reinstalled anyway. =) It's been almost
a year since I've reinstalled the OS anyway and it was getting kind of
messy with bad reg' entries and defunct DLL's and stuff.
But I really appreciate the info! I know I'll be able to use that info
later and at work!
Thanks!
Liam
joseph wrote:
>
> OK. What you need to do is restore the boot code in the partition of your
> winme.
> What you need to preserve are the three files : msdos.sys , io.sys and
> command.com , since "sys" command replaces them as well.
>
> Get a windows ME boot floppy. or win98 boot floppy. Beg, borrow or steal..
> The floppy should have the "attrib.exe" program. If it is not present, try
> to copy it from your windows\system32 folder .
>
> The two of the files have the hidden, system and read only attributes set.
> First you need to unset them.
> use attrib
> attrib -r -s -h io.sys
> attrib -r -s -h msdos.sys
>
> now rename them to something else, and keep them on some floppy or somewhere
> safe.
>
> Make a copy also of the command.com file .
>
> next do the "sys c:" thing. This will re-write the boot code on the
> partition ( "c:" ), and put in the io.sys , msdos.sys and command.com. Where
> does the sys command get these files ? From the boot device of course. the
> boot device, if you booted off the floppy is the floppy disk.
>
> Now comes the interesting part.
> You have to replace these new files with the ones you just made a copy of.
> Change the attributes to -r -s -h on the new files , delete them.
> then move the old files over . You can just rename them back to what they
> were.
> Finally, set the attributes
> attrib hsr io.sys
> attrib hsr msdos.sys
>
> Reboot and you should be fine.
>
> Hope this helps.
> last time I did this was when I knocked out Ez-drive off a 2 gig drive, and
> win98 had a hissy-fit!
>
> While you are at it, it would be instructional to read through the msdos.sys
> file. :)
>
> Take care.
>
> "LRW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9PPO6.225$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I have WinME installed on /dev/hda1, and Linux on /dev/hdb1.
> > I set up the install the first time to accidently install LILO onto /hda1
> > instead of /hdb1. No biggie, I just had to type "dos" at the LILO: prompt
> to
> > boot up WinME.
> >
> > However, I had to reinstall Linux, and put LILO on /hdb1 and start from
> > floppy.
> >
> > Now when I boot up w/o the floppy, after the POST I get only "LI" of
> "LILO:"
> > and it stalls. With the floppy in I get the whole LILO: and it boots to
> > Linux fine, but if I try to type dos, it says partition doesn't exist.
> > During setup with Disk Druid, I made no changes to the FAT partitions.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > IF I have to reinstall WinME, it's no big deal. My WinME OS is partioned
> off
> > on a seperate partition from the other FAT drive, so nothing important
> > should be hurt. (Again, I didn't make any changes to the FAT drive.)
> >
> > My followup question then is if I have to reinstall WinME back onto drive
> a,
> > will it change Linux on the drive b at all? I'm doubting it, since I have
> a
> > boot floppy for it.
> >
> > And a last question, I tried to edit the lilo.conf (sp?) file that
> contains
> > what OS options to boot too, and while /etc (?) has it, I mounted and
> ls'ed
> > the floppy and there's nothing there. How can I edit it on the floppy to
> > make sure the "dos" aprtition is an option?
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> >
> > Liam
> >
> >
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: strange output using lpr command
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:26:15 -0400
Eric Chow wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> when I use lpr to print a file to printer(which locate in Windows), the file
> out put not same as the original file.
>
> For example :
>
> a.txt
> ====
> abcdefg
> 123456
> ABCDEF
>
> I type a command "lpr a.txt"
>
> and then the printer output is :
>
> abcdefg
> 123456
> ABCDEF
>
> Why the result be that ? Where should I setup it correctly ?
>
> Please teach me.
>
Printer configured wrong.
It would help to know your distribution. In Red Hat, for example, you
run the control-panel and select the print tool.
Select your printer, edit, and then Select Input Filter. Check Fix
Stair-Stepping Text.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 9:20am up 3 days, 1:17, 5 users, load average: 0.06, 0.12, 0.14
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From: "Eric Chow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: setup a printer under Linux.
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:39:23 +0800
Hello,
Would you please to teach me how to install a HP 6L LaserJet Printer to
Linux ?
Would you please to teach me how I can just modify some config file to
install it ?
What config files fo I need to modify and what services do I need to restart
?
I just know to add some lines in /etc/printcap, and in /var/spool/lpd, I
have to create a directory for that printer. But it seems not worked. When I
use printtool to check it, it just shows "unrecognized".
I don't know why? Please tell me.
I can use printtool to setup a printer, but I want to setup a new printer
manually(modify config files).
Please teach me and show me how, thanks a lot ?
Best regards,
Eric
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From: Jeffrey Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft exchange server under Linux ?
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:41:33 GMT
> >I've never understood what this is all about. Can't these windows
> >people share files? Don't they have email lists? news groups?
>
> It's about providing point-and-drool functionality for lusers who have
> worked with PCs for 10 or 15 years and *still* couldn't copy a file
> to save their sorry rear ends, even *with* a GUI.
>
>
Jumping in here (and I am a -devoted- Linux user/administrator...) If
there ever became a drop in replacement for the Calendaring feature of
Exchange that was open source, I would have more business replacing
Exchange than I ever could do... All of the admins that I know would
toss out Exchange in a minute and replace the email with (insert mail
transport of choice here...), but their users are literally hooked (and
for good reason... as I was in management in a previous life, and know
the power of the group scheduling in Exchange...) on the Calendar, not to
say that a large number sync to palm-type devices... HP OpenMail
-looked- good as a drop in for small companies, and literally was
invisible to the users as a backend, but the cost wasn't that much
better, even though the stability was infinitely better... but MSoft
seemed to have crushed the idea of that getting open sourced, since HP
has stopped development...
It is mainly the condescending attitude (which I have to be also careful
about...) that anyone who uses Windows is a putz... that causes the
problems like the above statement instead of solving the problems... for
instance, most secretaries use a computer for a replacement for a
typewriter... they don't give a squat what OS it runs, but we have to
face the fact that MSoft and their marketing has Windows on 90% of the
desktops out there... once they learn how to use Windows to start Word,
and save in My Documents, it literally isn't worth their employers money
to retrain them on another OS... but the IS departments would -love- to
switch (for the most part, except for the MS religious fanatics...) to a
more stable / reliable backend... and that is where the future of Linux
and therefore consulting business will be from... I just wish that the
time spent on Eazel and the desktop interfaces would have been spent on
the server apps that -really- are needed out there... the rest is stuff
for us geeks...
My 2 cents...
JH
--
Jeffrey Hood
HM Consulting, Inc.
jhood [you-know-why] at hmcon.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: setup a printer under Linux.
Date: 25 May 2001 13:48:22 GMT
Eric Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would you please to teach me how to install a HP 6L LaserJet Printer to
> Linux ?
> Would you please to teach me how I can just modify some config file to
> install it ?
All the information for the printer(s) are into the printcap
configuration file (/etc/printcap), but I don't suggest you to
manipulate this file by hand. It's a lot complicated and the
parameters are a bit obscure. Almost all the distribution came with
a dedicated program called printtool to configure a printer.
Use that or check what kind of configuration tool your distribution
uses.
Davide
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From: LRW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help?
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:05:34 -0500
OK OK. I'm convinced.
But here's my question: I set up another account for myself, what groups
should I make myself a part of that will still allow me to add packages
and install software, like MySQL and ASP packages and various RPMs and
such?
If I give myself the root group, how would that be different from just
BEING root? And if I su to root, how is THAT different from just being
root?
I really do want to play it safe, but I also need to retain control.
BTW, one other thing if I may...I use RedHat's UserManager, but because
I like to know what's going on I'm investigating my /etc/passwd and
found something I don't understand:
liam:x:500:0:Liam:/home/liam:/bin/bash
mike:x:501:501:Mike M:/home/mike:/bin/bash
mysql:x:100:101:MySQL server:/var/lib/mysql:/bin/bash
(obviously the last 3 entries)
This is the other half of what I mean by needing to learn user managing.
I assume the 'x' is password, and the 1st number is the user number, but
what's the 2nd number? Why does 'liam' have 0 and mike have '501' which
also happens to match his user number of '501'? And for that matter, why
does MySQL have a group of '101'?
Sincerely, I appreciate any help. I'm striving to learn as much as I can
any way I can. I hate bugging people all the time (I'm also sure I've
brought many people to saying "man what a freakin newbie idiot",) so if
you have any suggestions of documentation on this and user managing in
general I'd appreciate it.
I've tried various "man" attempts and haven't been able to come up with
anything quite related.
Thanks!!!
Liam
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> LRW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The reason I asked why I asked why is because I'm confused about why
> > this box works perfectly right out of installation without a .xinitrc
> > when it sounds as though that file is necessary.
>
> Necessary for what? Not for "working"! That file is only "necessary"
> for forcing a menu choice automatically for a xdm-mediated login -
> and even then only if it's mentioned that way in your systemwide
> initrc. Lots of factors intervene.
>
> > And I'm running as root because I'm having to do installations of
> > packages left and right so I thought I might as well stay as root. I've
>
> No, DON'T run as root. Use sudo.
>
> > been so busy getting the machine set up right that I haven't had time
> > yet to study up on user managing enough yet to create another account
>
> This hardly requires study! That's like saying "I've been training so
> hard that I haven't studied up on how to walk to the door of the
> breakfast room". Edit /etc/passwd and give yourself an account. This
> should absolutely be step zero in the use of any machine. How can you
> possibly test any of your installations if you don't have any users
> to test them?
>
> > for myself that has all the benefits but none of the risks root has.
>
> Peter
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