Linux-Misc Digest #30, Volume #20 Sun, 2 May 99 22:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: HELP - can't boot after kernel upgrade! (Chris Lee)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
Re: Distribution (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Slackware and glibc2 (jik-)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
Re: q3test video problems (Greg Suing)
Re: linux to replace windoze machines ? (jik-)
Re: i need a file (David M. Cook)
Re: Problems upgrading to 2.2.6: dip, X, glib ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Disk Read Errors from VFAT partition = Big Worry (jason)
Redhat 6.0 (Samba shared printers) + Windows 2000 Professional (beta 3) == NO GO!
("Bleh")
Re: New Pic For Linux!!! Look At It!!! (David M. Cook)
Beginner question : Installing applications with RED HAT RPM ("Radar")
Re: fvwm (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Downloading RedHat 6.0 w/Win95 (Mogley)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (brian moore)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (brian moore)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Chris Welch)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
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From: Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: HELP - can't boot after kernel upgrade!
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:07:20 -0700
Ok, I had the same exact problem after I upgraded my kernel- you need to have a
boot disk, and get the system to load from it. Once you're in (you did make a
bootdisk, right?) log in as 'root' and run lilo. You have to tell linux that you
have a new kernel. You did copy the compressed kernel image into your /boot
directory, as well, correct? (There should be a 'bzImage' or a 'zImage' in the
/boot dir.) That's all that you need to do to get it to work, and then you're on
your way!
Aaron Dershem wrote:
> I tried to upgrade to the 2.2.6 kernel today from the standard RH 5.2 kernel
> (2.0.36). Everything appeared to be fine. I didn't get any errors when I
> ran all the different 'make's, etc. The problem is that when I rebooted, I
> get this:
>
> LILO boot:
> Loading Linux........
> Uncompressing Linux...
>
> ran out of input data
>
> -- Sustem halted
>
> What happened? Did it not compile correctly? I'm running a Cyrix P150+
> chip. It's an older one, so I chose the 5x86,6x86 processor option in make
> xconfig, rather than the PPRO, 6x86MX choice. Should I have chosen the
> other? Please help out a poor idiot.
>
> Aaron Dershem
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, D. Vrabel
wrote:
> On Sun, 2 May 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
> > > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
> > > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
> > > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
> > >
> > > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
> > > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
> > > humanity minus Bill Gates?
> >
> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
> > You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
> > being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
> > problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
> Alas, your argument is wrong because your not forced to use the GPL or
> to use GPL software.
I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
I?
>
> David
> --
> David Vrabel
> Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
>
--
Chris Costello
This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.
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Subject: Re: Distribution
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 01 May 1999 16:55:58 -0400
"Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm a newbie to linux, but from what little experience I have I say this:
> RedHat is a nice distro, but configuring is harder given somewhat unorthodox
> file locations.
if you're *really* a newbie, how would you know where the orthodox
locations would be? ;-)
> Also, rpm is great for installing, but upgrading and
> uninstalling is a pain, especially libraries.
i've found the opposite. rpm is merely ok for installing but very
nice for upgrading and removing -- especially when it comes to
libraries.
> I'm considering switching to
> Debian. any comments?
it's the same but different. give it a shot.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:13:24 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware and glibc2
> > AND it also comes with an optional
> > package which will reaplce libc5 with glibc2....
>
> ... but where�s this?
contrib/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:21:41 GMT
In article <7gimtl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Floyd Davidson wrote:
> Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>Mark S. Bilk wrote:
> >>>>>For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
> >>>>>interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
> >>>>>advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
> >>>>
> >>>>Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
> >>>>to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
> >>>>humanity minus Bill Gates?
> >>>
> >>> The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
> >>>You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
> >>>being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
> >>>problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
> >>
> >>It's equally extreme as what it was meant to replace.
> >
> >Nonetheless, there are better licenses out there than the GPL,
> >such as the BSD-style license shipped with FreeBSD. I also have
> >nothing against the real BSD license.
>
> I fail to see where BSD is better than GPL. Allowing open software
> to assist in the development of proprietary closed projects just is
> not an advantage.
Why isn't it?
>
> It is also absolutely false that GPL forces openness on anyone.
> Nobody is *required* to use GPL's code. GPL _permits_ openness,
> and we have all seen the effect that it has had over the past 15
> years or so as the GNU project has developed into an exceedingly
> significant force. Not to mention what Linux has become in the
> past 6-7 years...
>
> When a fellow like Torvalds (as opposed to Stallman) stands up
> at Comdex and threatens to bury MicroSoft, it's pretty hard to
> say that open software is a crock, or that the GPL hasn't been a
> major enabling factor.
Please tell me where I said open software is a crock.
>
> Floyd
>
>
>
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> North Slope images: <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
--
Chris Costello
Programmers do it bit by bit.
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From: Greg Suing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: q3test video problems
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:02:36 -0500
make sure you're using 16 bit depth:
startx -- -bpp 16
root wrote:
>
> Hey all. I'm having some issues getting q3test to even start on my box.
> Here are the details:
>
> I'm running a redhat 6.0 install, with the 2.2.5 kernel, GNOME,
> eligthenment, working sound, and a voodoo1 (the voodoo graphics card).
> I'm using a P1 200mhz, 64 RAM, 10 gig hd, and I have a matrox millenium
> II video card for 2d.
>
> I downloaded and rpm-installed the Glide_VG-2.46-1.i386.glibc.rpm first,
> then I installed the q3test rpm. I attempted to install the
> Device3Dfx-1.1-2.src.rpm as recommended by 3dfx, but got a lot of error
> messages (mostly "function not defined: first use"). However, since q3
> SHOULD run while I am logged in as root (which I am), i figure this is
> probably not the issue.
>
> When I type "./linuxquake3" in /usr/local/games/q3test, I get the
> following output:
>
> ----- FS_Startup -----
> Current search path:
> /usr/local/games/q3test/baseq3
> ----------------------
>
> Running in restricted demo mode.
>
> ----- FS_Startup -----
> Current search path:
> /usr/local/games/q3test/demoq3/pak0.pk3 (639 files)
> /usr/local/games/q3test/demoq3
> ----------------------
> execing default.cfg
> couldn't exec q3config.cfg
> couldn't exec autoexec.cfg
> ----- GI_Init -----
> 12 arenas parsed
> 4 bots parsed
> -------------------
> ----- Client Initialization -----
> ----- Initializing Renderer ----
> -------------------------------
> ...loading libGL.so: QGL_Init: Can't load libGL.so from
> /etc/ld.so.conf or curre
> nt dir: /usr/local/games/q3test/libGL.so: cannot open shared object
> file: No suc
> h file or directory
> failed
> ...loading libMesaVoodooGL.so.3.1: Initializing OpenGL display
> ...setting mode 3: 640 480
> Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 0.8
> Couldn't get a visual
> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (3)
> Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
>
> When I attempt "./linuxquake3 +set r_glDriver libMesaVoodooGL.so.3.1", I
> get essentially the same ouptut, just the libMesaVoodooGL error is
> first, and the libGL.so error is second.
>
> Any ideas? I'm at my wits end, and I could REALLY use some help....
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve Carstensen
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Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:16:17 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux to replace windoze machines ?
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Sat, 01 May 1999 14:25:10 -0400,
> -bill- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Coming from a SCO environment I am somewhat cluless.
> > Does Linux come with Xfree ?
>
> Well, virtually every distribution does. (The only exceptions I know of
> are the various 'mini' distributions intended for things like routers
> and other embedded machines).
Depending on the age of the CD, and the video card, and upgrade to
3.3.3.1 or in the case of redhat even a 3.3.3 upgrade. The upcomming
redhat 6.0 I believe should have 3.3.3.1, the current version has
3.3.2. Slackware 3.6 comes with 3.3.3, I do not know about the
others....but upgrade packages should be 'available' for all.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: i need a file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:18:10 GMT
On Sun, 02 May 1999 20:47:03 +1000, aamon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i have installed libpng manyy times but it keeps asking for a file
>called libpng.so.0
>does any one have this or know how to fix it???
When you try to install the program or when you try to run it?
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Problems upgrading to 2.2.6: dip, X, glib
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 00:41:08 GMT
> where did you get glibc-2.0.7?!
http://www-stu.calvin.edu/~clug/users/jnieho38/goto22.html
gives you step by step instructions on what you need to do to upgrade to the
2.2 kernels. It also provides links to everything you need, including
glibc-2.0.7pre6, which is what I installed. I was unsuccessful in converting
to 2.2.X because of my dip problem, but I upgraded to 2.0.37pre11, including
all of the system upgrades listed on the page, and everything is working
smoothly.
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From: jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disk Read Errors from VFAT partition = Big Worry
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 21:24:56 -0400
Chunky wrote:
[ I'm rearranging your sentences, I hope you don't mind... ]
> My theory is that I suspect that the reading from VFAT routines are a little
> buggy and this becomes apparent with large files.
Nope, Linux is flawless. ;-) Just kidding, but I think the situation I will
describe below is more likely than your suspicion.
> I have noticed that occasionally with
> large files I'll get errors when using TAR, such as bad CRC etc. and the TAR
> will halt. Sometimes I'll redo the TAR and all will be ok.
Hmmm, this sounds *very* familiar... Try this: run several md5sum's on a big
file on that drive (create one, if needed... about 50-100MB). Try this on
different partitions on the same drive, if you have other partitions on it.
Vfat, ext2, whatever. If you get inconsistencies in the md5sum outputs, you
may have a bad hard drive cable. I had this problem, and I traced it down to
a bad cable by noticing that transfers between:
hda <--> hda produced files with occasional errors
hda <--> hdb produced files with occasional errors
hda <--> hdc produced files with occasional errors
hdb <--> hdb produced no errors
hdb <--> hdc produced no errors
hdc <--> hdc produced no errors
where "occasional errors" meant that multiple md5sum results (5 or so) didn't all
match.
So the problem was actually not the whole cable (since I had two drives connected
to the cable that hda was connected to), but just the connector between the drive
(hda) and the cable. It seemed that a bit would get mucked every 50 MB or so, so
I didn't notice this problem for several months. :-(
Try experimenting to see if your problem looks similar, or just swap hard drive
cables and see if the problem goes away.
Hope this helps,
-jason
(to reply via email, make the appropriate substitution in my email address)
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From: "Bleh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,linux.redhat.misc,linux.samba,comp.protocols.smb
Subject: Redhat 6.0 (Samba shared printers) + Windows 2000 Professional (beta 3) == NO
GO!
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 15:14:14 -0700
I have an Epson Stylus COLOR II hooked up to my Linux server. I have it
shared in Samba, and I was able to add it as a printer in Windows NT
Workstation before I went to the -released- Windows 2000 Pro Beta 3. Now I
try and add the shared printer, and it says "unable to connect to shared
printer...". I have the file shares mounted as drives, so I know Samba
itself is working. I can also print a testpage fine with Redhat's
printtool.
What's up with that?
p.s. - It also seems that Samba freezes from time to time (well, according
to Windows) and won't list files on the shares for like a couple minutes at
a time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: New Pic For Linux!!! Look At It!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:28:03 GMT
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:11:11 +0200, FRANK PERSSON
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Cool Pic For Linux......
You forgot to mention that it's an animated gif, so view it in netscape.
Dave Cook
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From: "Radar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Beginner question : Installing applications with RED HAT RPM
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:49:36 -0400
Ok, So I just got my first Linux. (Red Hat 5.2). Got the OS installed no
problem. No I wanted to install Corel Wordperfect that comes on one of the
CD'S. I used RPM, and went throught the install process. It appears that
everything installed properly, but now what do I do. I don't know how to
launch Wordperfect. After running the RPM process, what is next? I have
looked in Xwindows for icons, nothing. I have looked all over my partition
for what looks like a wp exe.(Even though I found all the WP install stuff).
Regards,
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Subject: Re: fvwm
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:59:47 GMT
In article <7fqn64$7mo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoff McCaughan:
|> Johan Kullstam:
|> > "MandM":
|> >
|> > > i just got xfree86 going how can i reconfigure fvwm??
|> >
|> > edit your ~/.fvwmrc file. i like to launch fvwm on the last line of
|> > my X startup script as `exec fvwm -f ~/etc/fvwmrc'[1]. use whatever
|> > feels natural.
As noted by the poster below, this is not obvious on the stock RedHat 5.2
install I received on my ASL Workstations laptop. The KDE login manager's
default for nonroot accounts seems to be fvwm95 or some such, and there's
no .xinitrc/.xsession to select another desktop. I tried to get its input
follows mouse in all kinds of .fvwm* as below to no avail. I appreciate a
tip here to enclose the * window selector in quotes, but it does not seem
to even consult the user startup file(s). I'd settle for just olwm again,
if it came ready, but apparently I need to fetch the rpm and install. But
what's the point of that if it seems to ignore the local startups?
|> I start X at boot by putting the system into runlevel 5. However as far as I
|> can tell it's note reading my ~/.fvwmrc file, or any of the other names that
|> have been suggested I try to use.
Precisely my experience.
|> This is an RH 5.2 system BTW, the X setup out of the box seems awfully
|> messy. While hacking around trying to figure out what files the window
|> manager reads on startup I found 3 different sets of menu configurations,
|> none of which are what I actually get on the screen.
Again, exactly what I noticed, after a series of find / ... sessions.
Don't get me wrong. This ASL laptop is wonderful and those fine folks are
highly recommended for my part (I have no interest other than as a *very*
happy ASL customer). It booted beautiful right out of the box into a root
KDE session, and has worked flawlessly since. I'm using for this session,
and cannot speak highly enough of it to this point.
|> It would be really nice if I could configure my window manager and have it
|> start up with the changes next time I log on.
True, and I know I am doing something really stupid, and would appreciate
any polite correction in the error of my ways. :)
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From: Mogley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Downloading RedHat 6.0 w/Win95
Date: 3 May 1999 01:32:28 GMT
**************Disclaimer***************
<<I'm new to linux, don't hurt me, 0x4e75>>
***************************************
It seems when my win95 ftp client encounters a symbolic link on the host
server, it downloads the links target and not the actual link. Will this
cause a problem.
I'm curious. Just wanna know whats going on.
There seemed to be alot of symbolic links in:
redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/instimage/lib/
here's one example,
/ftp.cs.fiu.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/instimage/lib/
libc.s0.6 13bytes -----> point to libc-2.1.1.so
libc-2.1.1.so 3.39M
c:\redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/instimage/lib/
libc.s0.6 3.39M
libc-2.1.1.so 3.39M
Could this mess up an install, or is it just wasting space and bandwith.
I was also wondering what the /redhat/redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/instimage is
for?
thx,
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 3 May 1999 01:54:32 GMT
On Sun, 02 May 1999 22:39:05 GMT,
Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Loren Petrich wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
> >
> > >> Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
> > >> to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
> > >> humanity minus Bill Gates?
> >
> > > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
> >
> > The way that anti-slavery laws make one not free to own slaves?
>
> Totally different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
> proprietary software.
Some people said the same thing about slavery.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 3 May 1999 01:56:55 GMT
On Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:44 GMT,
Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
> that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
> IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
> for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
> I?
Certainly you can. You just can't distribute the binary without giving the
source to anyone who gets it.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 18:45:26 -0700
On Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:44 GMT, Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, D. Vrabel
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 May 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
>>
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> > > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
>> > > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
>> > > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
>> > >
>> > > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
>> > > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
>> > > humanity minus Bill Gates?
>> >
>> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>> > You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
>> > being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
>> > problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
>
>> Alas, your argument is wrong because your not forced to use the GPL or
>> to use GPL software.
>
> I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
>that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
>IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
>for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
>I?
Sure you can. You just can't try to sell the derivative work.
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From: Chris Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 3 May 1999 01:24:36 GMT
> read it on slashdot. ESR quickly said that he had *no* intenvions for
> physical violence whatsoever.
Of course he would say that, anyone in that situation would. I believe him,
but just because someone says that, doesn't mean it's true. At any rate,
we don't need one of the big names to go around threatening people (empty
or not).
--
-
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My mother not mind to die for stoppink Windows NT! She is
rememberink Stalin- Pitr from UF comic strip (userfriendly.org)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 02:06:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, brian moore wrote:
> On Sun, 02 May 1999 22:39:05 GMT,
> Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Loren Petrich wrote:
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
> > > >> to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
> > > >> humanity minus Bill Gates?
> > >
> > > > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
> > >
> > > The way that anti-slavery laws make one not free to own slaves?
> >
> > Totally different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
> > proprietary software.
>
> Some people said the same thing about slavery.
Is proprietary software causing harm to anyone? Comparing
free software and proprietary software with free life and
enslaved life is ridiculous.
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
--
Chris Costello
Systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult. - R. S. Barton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 02:11:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, brian moore wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:44 GMT,
> Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
> > that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
> > IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
> > for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
> > I?
>
> Certainly you can. You just can't distribute the binary without giving the
> source to anyone who gets it.
>
> If you don't like it, don't use it.
I avoid it like the plague.
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
--
Chris Costello
Stack Overflow: Too many pancakes...
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