Linux-Misc Digest #31, Volume #20 Sun, 2 May 99 23:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^ (Bill Bonde)
Re: Problems upgrading to 2.2.6: dip, X, glib (Thomas Zajic)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Lee)
Re: CTRL-S ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Lee)
RedHat 5.2 & Dell Inspiron 7000 ("Derek S. Smigelski")
Re: Slackware and glibc2 (Thomas Zajic)
Download problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Memory being limited to 16M (Matthew R Ashe)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Lee)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^ (Chris Lee)
HELP - can't boot after kernel upgrade! ("Aaron Dershem")
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^ (Chris Lee)
Re: Can linux damage my hardware? (Carl Fink)
Re: Textpad/ultraedit class editor (Bob van der Poel)
Re: Textpad/ultraedit class editor (David M. Cook)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Re: Slackware and glibc2 (brian moore)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Lee)
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From: Bill Bonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:58:47 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mlw wrote:
>
> Chris Costello wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
> > > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
> > > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
> > > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
> > >
> > > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
> > > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
> > > humanity minus Bill Gates?
> >
> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
> > You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
> > being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
> > problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
> >
>
> One is always FREE not to use GPL, aren't they? I think GPL is quite
> liberating. You are free to use GPL and free not too. Freedom of choice.
>
But this is not really freedom, is it? You aren't free to use the code
as you see fit, are you?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Problems upgrading to 2.2.6: dip, X, glib
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 02:24:16 GMT
On Mon, 03 May 1999 00:41:08 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://www-stu.calvin.edu/~clug/users/jnieho38/goto22.html
> gives you step by step instructions on what you need to do to upgrade to the
> 2.2 kernels. It also provides links to everything you need, including
> glibc-2.0.7pre6, which is what I installed.
Well, as I said, I found that one on alpha.gnu.org already. So I take it
there�s no glibc-2.0.7 "final" available? Okay, but where do I get the
matching glibc-crypt and glibc-localedata versions? On alpha.gnu.org,
there�s only glibc-crypt-2.0.6 and glibc-localedata-2.0.7pre3. I�d guess
mixing different versions is asking for trouble, no? Wouldn�t it be
safer to stick with the (all matching) glibc*-2.0.6 packages in that
case?
Anyway, thanks for your help!
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 3 May 1999 02:31:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>Chris Costello wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
>> > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
>> > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
>> >
>> > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
>> > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
>> > humanity minus Bill Gates?
>>
>> The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>> You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
>> being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
>> problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
>>
>
>One is always FREE not to use GPL, aren't they? I think GPL is quite
>liberating. You are free to use GPL and free not too. Freedom of choice.
Free not to use GPL code? What an concept. Pity the anti-GPL crowd's main
argument in all this seems to be they want the "freedom" to rip off other's
people code and claim it as their own...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: CTRL-S
Date: 1 May 1999 19:38:53 -0400
Tony Smolar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In the olde days of Terminals, this was the method to freeze scrolling text
: so that it could be read. CTRL-Q resumes.
On a somewhat related topic, what was the the purpose of the "Here is"
key found on old serial teletype printer terminals and what character
sequence did it send over the serial line? Did mainframe computers
make use of this key, or was it for Radio/Landline point-to-point
communications.
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 3 May 1999 02:35:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>> >
>> > It also makes it easier for a company to add its own
>> >proprietary code for its servers to it without worrying about
>> >having to make it free. I fail to see any problems in that.
>>
>> As does LGPL. It just doesn't make it quite as easy
>> to make minor modifications and then crassly declare
>> the result to be your property. This kind of
>> shenanigan is what inspired creation of the GPL to
>> begin with.
>
> As seen in the BSD license:
>
> * Copyright (c) [year] [your name]
> * All rights reserved.
> *
> * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
> * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
> * are met:
> * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
> * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
> * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
> * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
> * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
>
> This prevents the same thing.
Who cares? The vast majority of people prefer the GPL license to the BSD
license. Get over it.
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From: "Derek S. Smigelski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat 5.2 & Dell Inspiron 7000
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 21:32:00 -0500
I have Redhat 5.2 install and dual booting just fine on my I7K from Dell. I
need some serious step by step help. I have been refered to the
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/ site and Lila's I7K site many
times and still have no luck. Here's the problems:
1) Connecting to my local ISP (Setting up PPP)
2) Getting RH to recognize the card services software (PCMCIA cards 1 -
Linksys 10/100 Card & 1 - 56k Modem)
I have downloaded the pcmcia-cs-3.0.9 and have attempted to follow the
instructions but receive errors when I attempt to
run 'make config' and described in the instructions.
3) Sound - Mastero -2 (ESS) will not recognize.
If anyone has an I7K and has it configured properly please help ! I am
slightly a newbe at redhat 5.2.
Email :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
Derek
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Slackware and glibc2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 02:28:31 GMT
On Sun, 02 May 1999 18:13:24 -0700, jik- wrote:
> > > AND it also comes with an optional
> > > package which will reaplce libc5 with glibc2....
> > ... but where�s this?
> contrib/
You mean the glibc-devel-2.0.5c package? Seems to be a rather
old version, no? Oh well, if it works ... :-)
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Download problem
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 02:15:37 GMT
Ok, here's an odd problem I've been running into:
First off, let me begin by stating that my modem works. I can connect to the
net, view web pages both through lynx and netscape, as well as other internet
features such as real audio. Now, here's a description of the problem:
I can download files off the web with no problem. I'm on a dial-up connection
to my University, Penn State. However, sometimes I run into this weird
problem. The file begins downloading, my transfers go from 500 bytes/sec
towards a max high of around 1.2-1.8 kb/sec (max is usually around 2.5-3.0
depending on site), and then it dips back down towards 0, eventually stalling
and never resuming again. Ok, perhaps this is a busy site? Nope. I tried
going to the local computer labs which run NT. I had no problem downloading
the file. I stuck it on my web space, which 0 users use (I don't really have
a popular webpage :) ). Anyway, I still couldn't download the file. It would
retrieve maybe 11k, and then die. Using the split.exe program from DJGPP, I
was able to split the file into 5 chunks, each 500k each. I was able to
download the last 4 chunks fine, with no problem. However, the first chunk
kept stalling on me as written above. What could be causing this? The
majority of the things I download come in fine, but for some reason, I get a
problem on some files. The file in the example above was the qt-devel-1.42
rpm. Other files that have given me problems were gtk and glib, and an
occaisional .mov file. However, every other rpm comes in fine. Like I said,
any other computer I use, besides mine, gets these "problem" file fine.
I don't think the problem is my modem, as everything else works. Can anyone
offer some suggestions as to how I can fix this odd problem? One final
note...downloads have been attempted by netscape, lynx, and lftp, all with the
same results. The modem is a 56K Zoom modem, model 2919.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Eric L. Rovner
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From: Matthew R Ashe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory being limited to 16M
Date: 3 May 1999 02:32:29 GMT
Przem Kowalczyk wrote:
>
> Matthew R Ashe in comp.os.linux.misc wrote:
> >I have RedHat 5.2 with the 2.2.7 kernel. I noticed X was taking an
> >extremly long time to bring up Netscape, as well as a few other
programs.
> >When I checked the system info, X reported there was 13M being used and
3M
> >free. I actually have 128M memory. The system definitely seems to be
> >swapping out. If I append mem=128M to lilo.conf or enter it at bootup,
I
> >get various messages telling me somthing is wrong and the system
freezes.
> >Take the line out, all is well. I am not a long time Linux user, I've
> >mainly used NT 3 and NT4, play a few games on 98. I would love to say
> >goodbye to MS on a more or less permanent basis, but so far I can't
master
> >Linux enough to get the things I need done day to day. I am getting a
LOT
> >closer though, and my programming (3 years college, no real world
> >experience) is getting better. I am miffed how to get this seemingly
> >simple problem fixed(it is simple, right???. Any help would greatly be
> >appreciated.
>
> Perhaps you have got 'Memory hole at 15MB' in Bios turned on.
>
> Przem
>
>
> --
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> and lift into your dreams
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 3 May 1999 02:46:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, brian moore wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:44 GMT,
>> Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
>> > that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
>> > IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
>> > for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
>> > I?
>>
>> Certainly you can. You just can't distribute the binary without giving
the
>> source to anyone who gets it.
>>
>> If you don't like it, don't use it.
>
> I avoid it like the plague.
Good for you. Now go play tag with a WWII era landmine...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Date: 3 May 1999 02:48:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 02 May 1999 15:02:32 -0700, Bill Bonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
>> >> >> to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
>> >> >> humanity minus Bill Gates?
>> >>
>> >> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>> >>
>> >> The way that anti-slavery laws make one not free to own
slaves?
>> >>
>> >Is it wrong to keep software proprietary?
>>
>> Considering what the legal justifications are for allowing the
>> goverment (US at least) to exercise power in this regard, yes.
>>
>I'm not following. You are saying that Microsoft should be forced to
>release its proprietary code for all to see?
Why not? We all could use a good laugh....
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From: "Aaron Dershem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: HELP - can't boot after kernel upgrade!
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:28:33 -0500
I tried to upgrade to the 2.2.6 kernel today from the standard RH 5.2 kernel
(2.0.36). Everything appeared to be fine. I didn't get any errors when I
ran all the different 'make's, etc. The problem is that when I rebooted, I
get this:
LILO boot:
Loading Linux........
Uncompressing Linux...
ran out of input data
-- Sustem halted
What happened? Did it not compile correctly? I'm running a Cyrix P150+
chip. It's an older one, so I chose the 5x86,6x86 processor option in make
xconfig, rather than the PPRO, 6x86MX choice. Should I have chosen the
other? Please help out a poor idiot.
Aaron Dershem
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Date: 3 May 1999 02:57:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>mlw wrote:
>>
>> Chris Costello wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> > > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
>> > > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
>> > > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
>> > >
>> > > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
>> > > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
>> > > humanity minus Bill Gates?
>> >
>> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>> > You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
>> > being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
>> > problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
>> >
>>
>> One is always FREE not to use GPL, aren't they? I think GPL is quite
>> liberating. You are free to use GPL and free not too. Freedom of choice.
>>
>But this is not really freedom, is it? You aren't free to use the code
>as you see fit, are you?
What's your point? It's not like it's *YOUR* code to begin with,is it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Can linux damage my hardware?
Date: 3 May 1999 09:21:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 02 May 1999 22:03:49 +0200 Shaun Schembri
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Now here is my question. Was it a coincidence that both cards went
>bonkers while using Linux?
Yes.
It is theoretically possible to ruin your video card with X . . . but
I've never met anyone who actually did it. Certainly, if the same
settings had worked for six months, they wouldn't abruptly damage your
video card.
I don't think it's actually possible to damage a sound card from
software, even in principle.
> . . . Finally my PC is
>almost 3 years old and never gave me this kind of problems while using
>Windows.
. . . and there's your answer. Three years is about enough time for
components to start to fail, although video and sound cards generally
last much longer than that. There's a reason people retire servers
after 18 months or less -- because after that the probability of
failures starts to increase.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: Bob van der Poel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Textpad/ultraedit class editor
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 19:43:47 -0600
David M. Cook wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 May 1999 12:10:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I find XEmacs bloated and cumbersome; and nedit, edith, fte, kwrite and
> >gnotepad too weak.
>
> FTE struck me as fairly powerful, but I just downloaded it to have a look.
> I use XEmacs for programming and JED for most other work. JED can do a lot
> of what Emacs can do in a much, much smaller footprint. You might also try
> Xcoral (you can get it from ftp.x.org). See also
>
> http://www.bsyse.wsu.edu/~rnelson/editors/editors.htm
>
> >Or has somebody ever seen a crack for Visual Slick Edit?
>
> No, please don't suggest it again.
>
> Dave Cook
I am in the process of making my own editor, ved, available to the linux
community. It is relatively small, easy to use, etc. For a look, bounce
over to my web site: http://users.uniserve.com/~bvdpoel and follow the
link to the Ved Text Editor. Comments appreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Textpad/ultraedit class editor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:40 GMT
On Sun, 02 May 1999 12:10:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I find XEmacs bloated and cumbersome; and nedit, edith, fte, kwrite and
>gnotepad too weak.
FTE struck me as fairly powerful, but I just downloaded it to have a look.
I use XEmacs for programming and JED for most other work. JED can do a lot
of what Emacs can do in a much, much smaller footprint. You might also try
Xcoral (you can get it from ftp.x.org). See also
http://www.bsyse.wsu.edu/~rnelson/editors/editors.htm
>Or has somebody ever seen a crack for Visual Slick Edit?
No, please don't suggest it again.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:06:37 -0700
On Sun, 02 May 1999 18:58:47 -0700, Bill Bonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>mlw wrote:
>>
>> Chris Costello wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> > > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
>> > > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
>> > > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
>> > >
>> > > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
>> > > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
>> > > humanity minus Bill Gates?
>> >
>> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>> > You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
>> > being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
>> > problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
>> >
>>
>> One is always FREE not to use GPL, aren't they? I think GPL is quite
>> liberating. You are free to use GPL and free not too. Freedom of choice.
>>
>But this is not really freedom, is it? You aren't free to use the code
>as you see fit, are you?
Sure you are.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:05:54 -0700
On Mon, 03 May 1999 02:11:32 GMT, Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:44 GMT, Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, D.
>Vrabel wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 2 May 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> >> > > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
>> >> > > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
>> >> > > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
>> >> > > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
>> >> > > humanity minus Bill Gates?
>> >> >
>> >> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>> >> > You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
>> >> > being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
>> >> > problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
>> >
>> >> Alas, your argument is wrong because your not forced to use the GPL or
>> >> to use GPL software.
>> >
>> > I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
>> >that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
>> >IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
>> >for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
>> >I?
>>
>> Sure you can. You just can't try to sell the derivative work.
>
> Ok, I misunderstood that part. How about this hypothetical
>situation:
>
> I'm writing a closed-source database system, but I *really*
>like the sort code from FooSQL, the GPLed SQL server. So I have
>it working with my closed database system. Can I sell it
>legally?
Sure. You just have to provide source. Distribution
requires disclosure of source regardless of what you
charge for it. Don't distribute it (just use it like
Walnut Creek) & you don't have to release your source.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Slackware and glibc2
Date: 3 May 1999 02:18:21 GMT
On Sun, 02 May 1999 21:02:27 GMT,
Thomas Zajic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And, surprise, Slack 4.0 will also be glibc2 based if I understood the
> ChangeLog.txt in the /slackware-current (4.0-beta) directory correctly!
> YEAH!!! :-)
Nope, you understood wrong.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: 3 May 1999 02:42:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, brian moore wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 May 1999 22:39:05 GMT,
>> Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Loren Petrich wrote:
>> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > > Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >> Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
>> > > >> to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
>> > > >> humanity minus Bill Gates?
>> > >
>> > > > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
>> > >
>> > > The way that anti-slavery laws make one not free to own slaves?
>> >
>> > Totally different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
>> > proprietary software.
>>
>> Some people said the same thing about slavery.
>
> Is proprietary software causing harm to anyone? Comparing
>free software and proprietary software with free life and
>enslaved life is ridiculous.
Ask the people who got nailed by the Melissa virus that question....
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