Linux-Misc Digest #31, Volume #26 Sat, 14 Oct 00 23:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux? ("Eric Vey")
Re: Netscape uses cache more than its quota? (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: can't get via82cxxx to sing (Rod Smith)
Re: MTA to replace sendmail... is it worth it? (Rod Smith)
Re: make using very less CPU/How do I speed up? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: How can one app crashing bring down whole system? (John Hasler)
Re: make using very less CPU/How do I speed up? (Carl Fink)
Re: VMware on Linux -- help making it work! (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Soltek sl-77v and AC 97 sound does not work ("Jay Johnson")
Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux? (Lou Abney)
Re: Netscape uses cache more than its quota? (Mike Castle)
2 mice, built-in works, serial doesn't (Andrew)
Re: make using very less CPU/How do I speed up? (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Re: IPChains and Cable Modems - Fequently loosing connectivity to the Internet
("Vinson Armstead")
Re: VMware on Linux -- help making it work! (Carlos Moreno)
Re: How can one app crashing bring down whole system? (Christopher Browne)
Re: HELP: RPM database updating on a package? (John)
Re: noisey MP3's ripped on Linux (Konstantinos Agouros)
NNTP upload/posting client? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux? (Igor)
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From: "Eric Vey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.video.desktop,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:16:30 -0400
I like the Hauppauge card. It runs fine in Windows 2000.
Not many bells and whistles in the software as in no scheduled digital
recordings, though. And you have to bring your own codec (I like PicVideo's
MJPEG free for registering one).
640x480 is the maximum I can get out of it, but the drivers are rock solid on
either an Intel chipset MB or a VIA based one.
"Igor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> If you know of any decent TV/Video Capture card that supports EITHER
> Win2k or Linux, please let me know. (I expect that most people would not
> know a card that supports both just because they do not deal with the
> two operating systems. So please let me know the cards that support
> one of them).
>
> --
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape uses cache more than its quota?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:32:21 -0400
Kousik Nandy wrote:
> Hi,
> Did anyone notice if Netscape is eating up more
> disk space as cache than it is asked to use?
>
> $ rpm -q netscape-communicator
> netscape-communicator-4.75-0.6.2
> 51M /home/kouzik/.netscape/cache
> $ cat ~/.netscape/preferences.js | grep disk_cache_size
> user_pref("browser.cache.disk_cache_size", 8192);
>
> $ cat /etc/issue
> Red Hat Linux release 6.1 (Cartman)
> Kernel 2.2.14-12 on an i686
>
> Anyone has any idea why netscape uses 51M of cache when
> I asked it to use 8M? How do I limit this usage?
The most usual problem is the first of these three lines from
.netscape/preferences.js:
user_pref("browser.cache.directory",
"/home/jdbeyer/.netscape/cache/");
user_pref("browser.cache.disk_cache_size", 24000);
user_pref("browser.cache.memory_cache_size", 12000);
See that slash just aftr the string
/home/jdbeyer/.netscape/cache? It must be there. If it is
missing, the cache size seems to grow without limit. My machine
has been up for over 5 days lately and I browse the Internet a
good bit. I get:
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$ du -h .netscape/cache/ | tail -1
6.3M .netscape/cache
valinux:jdbeyer[~]$
> Thanks in advance,
> Kousik.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 8:25pm up 5 days, 2:04, 3 users, load average: 2.12, 2.13, 2.09
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: can't get via82cxxx to sing
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:39:41 GMT
In article <39e89886$4$qnivfs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> I had trouble with the Alsa though mainly my own lack of
> concentration but had better success (with equal inattention)
> getting the OSS drivers to work under Linux.
My experience with the OSS drivers for the VIA sound support was largely
negative because it crashed my test system about 1 in 3 attempts to load
the drivers. This was several months ago, though, and on a Compaq
Presario 1200-XL106 notebook, so the problem might not exist any more or
on other hardware.
> One of your webpages is referenced by an OS/2 site -- I'll have
> to look it up for you -- but leads to a dead link. I'm trying to
> access your site as given in your signature as we 'speak'. I have
> profitted a lot from reading your posts in these groups.
I've got a few OS/2 web pages up, but haven't updated them in quite some
time. Your problem accessing my site was an oversight on my part. I
updated my web server this morning, but it apparently didn't restart
properly, so it was down for several hours and I didn't know it. :-(
It's now running again, though. My apologies for the inconvenience.
> I'll look for the OS/2 drivers though I suspect after all of
> this, I'm going to have to buy an addon card if I want my trinity
> of operating systems up and running.
I've not used them myself, but I remember hearing they exist. I just
boot into OS/2 so seldom these days that I've not bothered installing
them.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: MTA to replace sendmail... is it worth it?
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:49:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.Brautaset) writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
>> little reason to bother with changing. If you really find sendmail to be
>> slow, please elaborate -- how much incoming and outgoing mail does your
>
> I was a bit to quick to send this message, and/or a bit slow to cancel it. I
> have been more specific about my request in a later message. But a fast
> explanation; no it is not for large amounts of mail. It is for single user
> only, I do not notice that sendmail is particularly slow (other than at boot,
> but I think I know what does this).
If sendmail is causing delays at boot time (1-5 minutes), that's a
symptom that your machine's hostname is set incorrectly. You may just
need to create an appropriate entry in /etc/hosts to get around the
problem. IIRC, if you're not connected to any network at boot time, you
may need to change
127.0.0.1 localhost
to
127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
It's been a while since I've dealt with this issue, though, so I'm not
positive that's exactly it. A Deja News search may turn up a more
complete and/or accurate answer.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: make using very less CPU/How do I speed up?
Date: 14 Oct 2000 16:00:07 -0800
Tijmen Stam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>HI.
>I'm installing Linux from Scratch, and while building glibc i launched
>top, and was surprised that the compiling programs (make, cpp & gcc)
>usually use about 5-10% of the CPU's power, with maxima of about 45%.
>Top is telling me +- 65 % user, 10% system, 0.5% nice, 25% idle, but in
>the CPU-sorted list, the first two or three items user 5,0 and2.5%, the
>next 5 somthing between 1 and 0.1, and the rest 0.0%.
>
>I assume some systemCPU is overhead, but sometimes it's working for a
>couple of second on one compiling instruction... Where does the 60%
>system use come from then???
>And, I don't want the 25% idle, I want to go to bed and therefore speed
>up the compiling, damn'it! ;-)
>
>Who can clear things up a bit on this?
>
>All numbers checked...
>By the way, my system is a amd k6-2 450 w/ 64 meg ram, but the hd i'm
>installing glibc on, is an old and thus slow (I don't know (don't wanna
>know) how slow) 500 mb harddisk.
A slow disk is certainly going to be cause for a lot of CPU idle
time while it has nothing to do but wait for the disk to provide
more data.
However... check out the -j option for make to see how you
might provide the CPU with something to do while the disk is
chugging along.
-j jobs
Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to
run simultaneously. ...
There might be a trick to this though, because for many builds
(I would assume glibc is one, but have not looked to see) the
main Makefile invokes make again in subdirectories. Which means
you not only need to use the -j option on the command line, but
need it to be given to the commands issued by your invocation of
make. Usually you can do that with a command line like:
make -j2 MAKE="make -j4"
Note that the "-j2" will determine how many subdirectories will be
worked in at one time, and the "make -j4" is the command given in
each subdirectory, allowing make to try compiling as many as 4
source files at one time if that is possible.
Just which numbers, or combinations, will work best depends
greatly on the number of CPU's, the speed of the CPU's vs. the
harddisk, and of course the particular nature of the program
being compiled. On a dual CPU system it easily can cut compile
time in half for many large compiles, but that shouldn't be
expected on a single CPU system.
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can one app crashing bring down whole system?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:48:16 GMT
Robert Heller writes:
> What sometimes happens is one process does something that the other
> cannot deal with (the bad application has a bug and did a nono and the
> other could not deal with the problem and crashed).
Then they are both buggy. No program should crash as result of "bad"
input.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: make using very less CPU/How do I speed up?
Date: 15 Oct 2000 00:33:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:37:29 +0200 Tijmen Stam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Please don't do that.
>And, I don't want the 25% idle, I want to go to bed and therefore speed
>up the compiling, damn'it! ;-)
Might I suggest "man nice"?
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>
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From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMware on Linux -- help making it work!
Date: 15 Oct 2000 01:28:05 GMT
Carlos Moreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have no idea what could be the appropriate newsgroup to
> seek for help on this, but I'm hoping that I'll be able to
> find some info or pointers with you guys.
VMware (the company) runs a news server at news.vmware.com.
> I just downloaded the trial version of VMWare for Linux, to
> emulate Win on my Linux box (I'm so sick of this dual boot! :-))
> When I run it (after installing and configuring everything),
> I try to emulate Win2K, and it goes through the boot process
> (including counting the memory, etc.), but it ends up telling
> me "Operating System not found"
Are you running in virtual disk mode? If so, you do know that you
need to actually install an OS, don't you? VMware provides a
hardware emulation layer, not an actual OS.
> I went to the vmware site, but didn't find any FAQ or
> troubleshooting section. Could anyone give me a hand, or
You must not have looked too hard:
http://www.vmware.com/support/
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: "Jay Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Soltek sl-77v and AC 97 sound does not work
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:40:28 GMT
Using Mandrake 7.0 and I can't get onboard sound chip
to work. Any ideas
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:55:10 -0500
From: Lou Abney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.video.desktop,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux?
I bought an ATI Wonder VE and it has a bt848 chip which bttv knows.
The tuner works and the video input works after I fiddled with the module.conf
file. But no sound yet. Search www.freshmeat.net for bttv and xawtv and then
find their supported card lists.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > If you know of any decent TV/Video Capture card that supports EITHER
> > > Win2k or Linux, please let me know. (I expect that most people would not
> > > know a card that supports both just because they do not deal with the
> > > two operating systems. So please let me know the cards that support
> > > one of them).
>
> > Check out
> > http://www.ati.com/na/pages/resource_centre/dev_rel/linux.html
>
> Stay away from ATI. The "ATI-TV Wonder" is the single worst expansion
> card I have _ever_ used. There were no Windows 2000 or NT drivers;
> the Windows 95/98 drivers were literally buggy to the point of being
> unusable; the "fixed drivers" ATI released over a year and a half
> later were actually _worse_; for some inexplicable reason, the Linux
> bt848 (or whatever) drivers don't work with the card, even though it
> actually is a bt848.
>
> That dismal experience has guaranteed that I will never, ever buy
> another ATI product. I sold the card for $50, and the only good thing
> I can say about the card is that it has pretty good resale value.
>
> --
> Eric McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Castle)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Netscape uses cache more than its quota?
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:43:04 -0500
Some Unix tips:
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kousik Nandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>$ du -h ~/.netscape/cache/ | tail -1
>51M /home/kouzik/.netscape/cache
du -hs ~/.netscape/cache
>$ cat ~/.netscape/preferences.js | grep disk_cache_size
>user_pref("browser.cache.disk_cache_size", 8192);
grep disk_cache_size ~/.netscape/preferences.js
mrc
--
Mike Castle Life is like a clock: You can work constantly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and be right all the time, or not work at all
www.netcom.com/~dalgoda/ and be right at least twice a day. -- mrc
We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan. -- Watchmen
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From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2 mice, built-in works, serial doesn't
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:47:31 GMT
My built in (annoying) pointer works. I've tried setting up my serial
mouse in SaX and it works until I leave Sax, perhaps I'm not properly
saving the changes? I'm using SuSE 7.0, and am very new to Linux.
Thanks in advance
--
tempestivo@Spam?home.com
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: make using very less CPU/How do I speed up?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:16:19 GMT
Tijmen Stam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --------------F177F9F6C470D314DF0FE0CD
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> HI.
> I'm installing Linux from Scratch, and while building glibc i launched
> top, and was surprised that the compiling programs (make, cpp & gcc)
> usually use about 5-10% of the CPU's power, with maxima of about 45%.
> Top is telling me +- 65 % user, 10% system, 0.5% nice, 25% idle, but in
> the CPU-sorted list, the first two or three items user 5,0 and2.5%, the
> next 5 somthing between 1 and 0.1, and the rest 0.0%.
>
> I assume some systemCPU is overhead, but sometimes it's working for a
> couple of second on one compiling instruction... Where does the 60%
> system use come from then???
> And, I don't want the 25% idle, I want to go to bed and therefore speed
> up the compiling, damn'it! ;-)
>
> Who can clear things up a bit on this?
>
> All numbers checked...
> By the way, my system is a amd k6-2 450 w/ 64 meg ram, but the hd i'm
> installing glibc on, is an old and thus slow (I don't know (don't wanna
> know) how slow) 500 mb harddisk.
<snip>
'vmstat 2 20' may give you a better idea. the fields r, b, w tell you
if to many processes are running. The si and so tell you if you are
swapping a lot. The bi and bo tells you if there is too much
IO. Lastly, us, sy and id tells the various cpu utilization times.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Vinson Armstead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: IPChains and Cable Modems - Fequently loosing connectivity to the
Internet
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:20:31 GMT
"Jem Berkes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I then checked and re-seated all the cables (all OK but did not restore
> > service). I ran the same test from my RH server and got the same results
as
> > above. I would stop/start the IPChains FW (still service was down). I
> > rebooted the RH server (still service was down). The only way to restore
> > services was to power off/on the Cable modem.
>
> A friend of mine who has a cable modem tells me that occasionally due to
> cable modem buffering errors (hardware) he has to disconnect the cable
> modem and switch it off/on. Have you ever used this particular cable
> modem on (e.g.) a Windows machine without the same problem?
During my testing I connected to cable modem directly to a Win98 PC and it
worked fine. I was able to download 1 or 2 GB worth of data from the
Internet (several different ftp sites).
That is what make this problem so wired. It works when connected directly to
a Win9x, NT, 2K PC but not with a Linux PC
Any suggestions?
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From: Carlos Moreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMware on Linux -- help making it work!
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:21:58 -0400
Thanks to all that replied!
I have to get used to the idea that when I get an error
message telling me "Missing operating system" is because
the operating system is missing!!!! :-)
(no, I did not know that I had to actually install the
operating system!!! :-))
I did install Windows NT and it is working (I'm now running
into other difficulties, but it does work -- pretty neat,
BTW! I guess I'll check vmware news server, or check
again their support page -- I did check it before, going
through the link to "support" in the main page).
(also, I didn't know they would offer support to people
that are evaluating -- I assumed they would only support
their customers -- i.e., the people that have bought the
license; I guess it makes sense; after all, they're
trying to sell the product!)
Anyway, sorry to bother you because such a silly oversight
on my part! I appreciate the advice and the pointers!
Thanks!
Carlos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: How can one app crashing bring down whole system?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:29:05 GMT
In our last episode (Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:48:16 GMT),
the artist formerly known as John Hasler said:
>Robert Heller writes:
>> What sometimes happens is one process does something that the other
>> cannot deal with (the bad application has a bug and did a nono and the
>> other could not deal with the problem and crashed).
>
>Then they are both buggy. No program should crash as result of "bad"
>input.
It's a bit difficult to guarantee; libc and POSIX offer too many openings
for invalid input to cause problems.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
Flashlights are cases for holding dead batteries.
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From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP: RPM database updating on a package?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Date: 15 Oct 2000 09:42:51 +0800
In comp.os.linux.setup Friedhelm Neyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> try a rpm --rebuilddb
Don't be silly; doesn't register software installed from tarballs.
> McManus Leo Root DSP Consultant schrieb:
>> I removed my Netscape 4.72 RMP package and installed 4.73 from a .tar
>> file. Now I cannot install my PLUGGER.RPM file as it cannot see the
>> Netscape 4.73 in the RPM database. Is there anything I can do about
>> this?
rpm --upgrade --nodeps
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Konstantinos Agouros)
Subject: Re: noisey MP3's ripped on Linux
Date: 14 Oct 2000 21:57:03 +0200
In <8s9np5$imr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Hi,
>I'm starting to explore mp3 ripping on Linux using Grip, cdparanoia and
>either lame or bladenc.
>I have some mp3 files ripped on other platforms, with samplig rates as
>low as 44khz yet sound good.
>On linux setting this low giveme just noise.
>Even with the sampling rate at 128 khz I would say the sound quality is
>poor, with high levels of hiss and odd volume-compression effects during
>quiet passages .
>I'm replaying with XMMS and the eSound plugin 1.2.3
>Any ideas where I'm going wrong ?
I have no problems at all. I only get problems if I rip across the network
via NFS.
Konstantin
--
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Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185
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"Captain, this ship will not sustain the forming of the cosmos." B'Elana Torres
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: NNTP upload/posting client?
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:37:32 GMT
Is there a way to automate uploading of a newsgroup posting? Something
like ncftpput command. I need something to run via cron to a private
newsgroup.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor)
Crossposted-To: rec.video.desktop,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: TV Tuner/Video Capture cards that support Win2K or Linux?
Date: 15 Oct 2000 02:56:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks. Sounds like the Happauge WinTV card is the winner.
igor
Lou Abney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* I bought an ATI Wonder VE and it has a bt848 chip which bttv knows.
* The tuner works and the video input works after I fiddled with the module.conf
* file. But no sound yet. Search www.freshmeat.net for bttv and xawtv and then
* find their supported card lists.
*
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*
* > Jem Berkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
* >
* > > > If you know of any decent TV/Video Capture card that supports EITHER
* > > > Win2k or Linux, please let me know. (I expect that most people would not
* > > > know a card that supports both just because they do not deal with the
* > > > two operating systems. So please let me know the cards that support
* > > > one of them).
* >
* > > Check out
* > > http://www.ati.com/na/pages/resource_centre/dev_rel/linux.html
* >
* > Stay away from ATI. The "ATI-TV Wonder" is the single worst expansion
* > card I have _ever_ used. There were no Windows 2000 or NT drivers;
* > the Windows 95/98 drivers were literally buggy to the point of being
* > unusable; the "fixed drivers" ATI released over a year and a half
* > later were actually _worse_; for some inexplicable reason, the Linux
* > bt848 (or whatever) drivers don't work with the card, even though it
* > actually is a bt848.
* >
* > That dismal experience has guaranteed that I will never, ever buy
* > another ATI product. I sold the card for $50, and the only good thing
* > I can say about the card is that it has pretty good resale value.
* >
* > --
* > Eric McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*
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