Linux-Misc Digest #109, Volume #20 Sat, 8 May 99 10:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Omnis on Linux ("Steve Cholerton")
Re: Tuning Linux? (Izzy)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
(Peter Mutsaers)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (Peter Mutsaers)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: How to get the target of the link? (Izzy)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
Re: URGENT. Dead or life. (Martin Burkhardt)
Re: running Linux on a 2 cpu system (Christopher Mahmood)
Re: Testing my CPU! (Christopher Mahmood)
which CD-ROM for CD-DA extraction (Arcady Genkin)
Re: wine ("D. Vrabel")
Initial Ramdisk (Sven Suebert)
Re: DFP digital LCD monitor, Matrox card, framebuffer/X woes (Roland Schmehl)
? loopback: ping `hostname` (jianhong)
Re: How to setuid an executable ? (Bill Unruh)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Jerry Lynn
Kreps)
Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage (brian moore)
Re: Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("Joshua E.
Rodd")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("Joshua E.
Rodd")
Re: How to determine IRQ's (John Forkosh)
epson drivers ("primus")
Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!! (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: PHB ammunition - microsoft hate links (Ken Williams)
Re: LILO, can't boot from 2nd SCSI drive. ("Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"")
Re: rpm error (Gerald Willmann)
Re: Another problem (Gerald Willmann)
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From: "Steve Cholerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Omnis on Linux
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:09:49 +0100
Check this out
http://www.omnis-software.com/whatsnew/press/linux.html
Omnis is a relatively low key but excellent 4GL software development system,
despite Linux' obvious technical superiority to WinXX this is the type of
product Linux needs to get developers of high level applications to switch
to Linux.
I believe this is excellent news.
-Steve
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From: Izzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tuning Linux?
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:03:38 -0400
Try www.tunelinux.com. I haven't looked at it in depth, but I ran
across it at slashdot.
Eric
Marc wrote:
> Just where exactly have you seen anything about tuning linux in those
> how-tos???
>
> Erik Svenkerud schrieb:
> >
> > Marc wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > does anyone of you have information on tuning linux?
> > > links r welcome, too.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Marc
> >
> > Hi there,
> > look in the linux how-to`s,
> >
> > Erik
--
We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.
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From: Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
Date: 08 May 1999 10:34:40 +0200
>> "JK" == Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JK> that's strange. i seem to be able to use twm even with my most modern
JK> of linux boxes. i have no kde or gnome or whatnot. maybe i'm weird.
JK> i do notice that i've got bash, emacs, vi, ls, cp, awk, &c. looks
JK> like unix to me.
Yes
JK> can't you use kde in freebsd? if not, that'd be a freebsd failing.
Yes
But: look at where the most effort is directed to in both Linux and
FreeBSD.
In Linux, lots is happening on the desktop, easy-to-use sysadm tools
etc. Other Unices such as FreeBSD may profit a bit from that.
Otoh I don't see much development in the kernel anymore. Look at the
very very slow pace of Linux kernel development at the moment. I
browsed a bit through linux-2.2.5,6,7 recently, and really not much is
happening and a lot is old.
FreeBSD in contrast is very alive w.r.t. more fundamental
developments. It used to lag behind Linux until maybe a year ago (and
still does in some areas such as laptop support) but has caught up in
many parts. Amount of hardware drivers is almost the same now, and
FreeBSD does have beginning of USB (still 100% missing in Linux), does
have the same level of ISDN support, has new concept for busses, in
-current very efficient ATA (disk driver) support is coming up,
softupdates (i.e. modern better performing filesystem), SMP is
starting to be better than Linux's.
Linux seems to come to a grinding halt in these areas, probably also
because of the horribly inefficient and confusing development process.
--
Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | the Netherlands | what I'm doing.
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Powered by FreeBSD (-current). See http://www.freebsd.org
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From: Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: 08 May 1999 10:42:27 +0200
>> "MW" == Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Of course you can run KDE on FreeBSD (I do, but only to support a
>> few KDE based apps). Does FreeBSD push KDE, GNOME, and the rest of
>> the desktop style code the way Linux does? No, not in the least.
MW> How does `Linux' push KDE or GNOME? Hint: Linux doesn't. Maybe the
MW> distributors do. Maybe the community does. Linux doesn't.
No, but the distributors (esp. Redhat) do a lot of the Linux
development (that is, development on packaging distributions and doing
desktops). Part of this effort had better be spent on improving the
kernel, doing sane libc development etc.
For many users a distribution *is* Linux, even when in theory they are
wrong.
Just look at the mess that distributors made of glibc 2.0/1. Even
though glibc2.0 was not intended for production use, they shipped it
(only positive exception is Slackware). Now a few months later you get
glibc2.1 with subtle differences, needing recompilation of many
binaries. Things like Oracle 8 for Linux were released in the
meantime. They don't work anymore unless you do some very dirty tricks
(partly included in glibc2.1/libc6.1).
Instead of waiting and taking care for some stability, the
distributors (and thus Linux in the perception of many) only go for
the most flashy desktop ASAP.
--
Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | the Netherlands | what I'm doing.
===============+=====================+==================
Powered by FreeBSD (-current). See http://www.freebsd.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 01:01:25 -0700
On Fri, 07 May 1999 14:40:48 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The only thing that Free Software really lags in at this
>> point is that same thing that has plauged any platform !DOS.
>
>But that is an enourmous set of things to be missing! ("The only
>reason we lost the game is the other side made more goals!")
What 'side'? You are attributing quite a bit to
Microsoft or Windows that's merely a matter of
people wanting to get stuff done or make a buck
and merely having to go through the 'marketleader'
as a side effect of software economics.
[deletia]
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From: Izzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to get the target of the link?
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:14:22 -0400
Try ls -L and ls will return what the link points to. Check out man ls for
all options.
Sergei Gnezdov wrote:
> All I know is, that `ls -l` command will show me the target of the link.
>
> What ate the another ways to get it?
> If I want to get just name of the target, how can I do this?
>
> Thanks
--
We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:31:07 GMT
In article <7gkh2b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin Knoblauch wrote:
> Hayden wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello) wrote:
> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Ok, I misunderstood that part. How about this hypothetical
> >> > >situation:
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm writing a closed-source database system, but I *really*
> >> > >like the sort code from FooSQL, the GPLed SQL server. So I have
> >> > >it working with my closed database system. Can I sell it
> >> > >legally?
> >> >
> >> > Sure. You just have to provide source. Distribution
> >> > requires disclosure of source regardless of what you
> >> > charge for it. Don't distribute it (just use it like
> >> > Walnut Creek) & you don't have to release your source.
> >>
>
>
> So, what happens if the fictual ClosedSQL has a mechanism to replace the
> sort code at run time (plug-in). They take the fast FooSQL sort algorithm
> and
> tweak it to work with that mechanism. Next they package it as an option to
> ClosedSQL and sell/distribute it including the source to the better
> algorithm. The binaries
> of ClosedSQL and the FooSQL-Sort-PlugIn would be kept separate (with
> ClosedSQL
> able to work without that package - the slow algorithm is still builtin).
> Does the
> GPL still mandate that the full ClosedSQL source has to be released? IMO
> the intention of the "owner" ow FooSQLs sort algorithm is observed and
> ClosedSQL
> can keep their own property secret.
I must say that your post is by far the most interesting on
this thread! A very good idea! And your plan is similar to the
method of a linking mechanism like Apache uses, correct?
>
> Martin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Martin Knoblauch
> Compaq Computer EMEA BV
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Std.Disclaimer: Not speaking for COMPAQ in any form on this medium
>
>
>
--
Chris Costello
When all else fails, let a = 7. If that doesn't help, then read the manual.
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From: Martin Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: URGENT. Dead or life.
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:26:06 -0500
Nuno Donato wrote:
>
> This is a dead or life situation.
> I am going to explain what happened to me, because I REALLY need help.
> I have changed a file, that contains info about the window-managers.
> Now, every time i run linux, XDM autostarts, i enter the username(root
> is the only user), and the password. But there must be an error some
> whera, because, no window manager run.
> And I am taken again to enter the name and password.
> How can I solve this. If i haven't XDM enabled, I could edit the file
> again from the console.
> My second question is, how can I turn off LILO?
>
> Please I really need help.
try hitting Ctrl Alt F1 or F2 and you will be in a console. From there
you can edit all the files with your favorite editor. If you want to
turn xdm off, edit /etc/inittab, there you can modify the default
runlevel. For multiuser without xdm you probably have to set it to 2 in
SuSE or 3 in Redhat, depending on your distribution.
To turn off lilo, do man lilo. There you should be able to read how to
get rid of it. You may have trouble booting back into linux though. You
may want to install lilo on a floppy first and make sure you can boot
into linux - or any other OS you may have installed - before taking lilo
off your hard drive.
MB
PS: please limit your cross-posting
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From: Christopher Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: running Linux on a 2 cpu system
Date: 07 May 1999 07:45:54 -0700
yes and yes. There's a ton of stuff online.
-ckm
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From: Christopher Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Testing my CPU!
Date: 07 May 1999 07:54:24 -0700
edit the top-level makefile in /usr/src/linux so that 'make' is 'make -j' --
this will spawn an unlimited number of processes and bring any machine
to its knees. It's actually a good test of new hardware.
-ckm
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Subject: which CD-ROM for CD-DA extraction
From: Arcady Genkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:52:14 GMT
Hi all:
I'm thinking of uprgading my CD-Rom drive. I am looking into buying
one capable of excellent audio extraction. Right now I have only a x4
burner, but I want my CDROM be compatibe with burning at x8.
Which CDROMs are reputable in this respect? I'd prefer not to spend a
truckload of money, so IDE would be preferable, although if there is
an inexpensive SCSI one I'd look into it too. The problem is that I
have a SCSI-2 card (50-pin), and don't want to upgrade that too.
TIA!
--
Arcady Genkin
"I opened up my wallet, and it's full of blood..." - GsYBE
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wine
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 10:02:22 +0100
On Fri, 7 May 1999, Anup Rao wrote:
> I'm trying to run starcraft on wine.
> The file i'm trying to run is brood.exe on my windows partition. So i
> punched in wine brood.exe, and came up with the error starcraft.exe not
> found. starcraft.exe is in the same directory, it's just called
> star~1.exe. Anybody know how to fix this?
You need to mount the drive as vfat not msdos.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: Sven Suebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Initial Ramdisk
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 03:58:36 +0200
Hello world,
is there anybody out there who can tell me howto setup a properly
working initrd-image, and how to make it bootable off a dos-partition ?
As I try to continue that startup with setting up a loopback-fs and
want to have root to be remounted on that, I want the initrd's
"/linuxrc"
script to be executed. But, whatever I do - it won't work:
I can start ramdisks with the boot-option "... root=/dev/ram" - but then
the init-program is startet instead of "/linuxrc" - so I can't change
the root filesystem any more (can I ?).
Every other attempt results in the following:
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
RAMDISK: Uncompressing root image: done.
VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem).
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
I'm missing the lines a minimal /linuxrc looking like
#!/bin/sh
/bin/echo Hello World !
/bin/echo blafasel
should give me ?!!?
/bin/sh is a link to a statically linked bash, libs like libc and the
ld-stuff is available, too.
So, what could be wrong ?
Do I maybe just use a wrong loadlin-commandline ?
It looks like :
c:\linux\loadlin c:\linux\bzImage initrd=c:\linux\initrd.img
root=/dev/sda2
thanks in advance ...
swente
p.s.:
kernel 2.2.7
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From: Roland Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DFP digital LCD monitor, Matrox card, framebuffer/X woes
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:50:19 +0200
>
> Hi!
>
> Use Modes "default" (or something similar, see the
> XF86FBDev-documentation available from xfree.org).
>
> Marc Mutz
Hi Marc,
sorry, I can't find the original question to this answer.
Since I want to get a digital IBM flat panel, the T55D featuring a
P&D connector, running under Linux, my question is: Is it possible
anyhow and when, which combination of graphics card (ATI, Matrox, ...)
and X-server do I have to use?
Thank you,
Roland Schmehl
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From: jianhong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: ? loopback: ping `hostname`
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:43:02 -0700
Hello, Everyone,
I'm trying to get loopback to work on a stand alone machine, called
"slackbox",
with no network card, running slackware 3.5 Linux. My /etc/hosts is like
this,
#/etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost loopback
172.16.1.1 slackbox
`ping localhost` and `ping loopback` worked just fine, however,
`ping slackbox` FAILED with the error, "... network unreachable".
Can someone please enlight me on how to get this to work?
How do I let the computer loopback by referencing the hostname, i.e.,
ping `hostname`
-------------------
By the way, slackware 3.5 doesn't support `ifconfig dummy ...`.
TIA. Jianhong
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: How to setuid an executable ?
Date: 8 May 1999 04:45:46 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> christophe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I'd like to allow others users (than root) to
>execute pppd. What shall I do ?
>I don't want to chmod 777 /usr/sbin/pppd
chmod a+x /usr/sbin/pppd
chmod +s /usr/sbin/pppd
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 07:49:38 -0500
Tesla Coil wrote:
>
> On 6 May 1999 Mike Coffin wrote in reply to Ed Avis:
>
> >> Private companies and individuals have done some bad things too.
> >
> > True, but hardly on the scale of governments.
>
> Need we list the many profitable environmental catastrophes? I know
> a huge factory that turned off the chimney filters on Sundays and federal
> holidays, that is, when the EPA wasn't monitoring. This activity *after*
> receiving the largest EPA fine in the history of the state, which they fully
> deserved. Behind that factory is a stream that glows at night with blue
> phosphorous flames on the surface. It's polluted with over 60 deadly
> chemicals. A neighbor's dog went to play in it, and died of severe burns.
> Hardly on the scale? That is one example of screwed up *forever*, and
> not a second-hand report--I used to work across the street from it.
How come we haven't heard of this flagrent violation in the news?
Videos of a stream burning with a visible blue flame at night is Dan
Rather's dream story or would certainly be the center piece of a
Nightline investigation. Well, maybe not Nightline - the temptation to
spike the flames would be too great.
Name the factory and location, Mike. I want to research this one.
--
JLK
Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is
right.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Boycott Intel on your own webpage
Date: 8 May 1999 04:47:49 GMT
On Fri, 07 May 1999 21:31:32 -0500,
Tesla Coil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The CDA decisions held that
> credit card adult verification schemes are too flawed for law, but their use
> persists quite as if meaningful.
Um, the use of credit cards as proof of age has little to do with proof
of age, and much to do with "we're charging you ten bucks to ensure this
card is real".
> Tell me whether this is technically possible (and I post it for warning, not
> to distribute bomb designs): Remember the Cherynobyl virus? Checking
> against the system clock...how old-fashioned. Why be so indiscriminate
> with your victims when it becomes possible to torpedo specific machines
> by checking against their PSN? Replicates on unaffected carrier systems.
> Too rare a disease to be noticed and put into scanware. Targetted system
> is whacked upon being identified; attack code erased until opportunity for
> reentry. Logical troubleshooting will rule out a virus in the absence of any
> local evidence of an epidemic, and after seemingly random crashes, maybe
> conclude (correctly in a sense) that it is a manufacturing flaw in the CPU.
Not logical.
Most viruses are detected long before they do damage: they're detected
because they change other software.
So the targetted virus would be caught just as any other.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caldera OpenLinux 1.3
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 08:06:43 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
<snip answer to another question>
> --
> 11:45:00 up 73 days, 1:05, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Bob,
Just curious ... do you let your box stay on even through thunder and/or
lightning storms?
--
JLK
Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is
right.
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:09:19 -0400
Marco Anglesio wrote:
> On Fri, 07 May 1999 18:51:32 -0400, Joshua E. Rodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Literacy was around 99% in the late 19th century, before there were
> >educational systems funded by federal or state governments on a
> >widespread scale. Since the implementation of universal government
> >education, literacy has declined.
> I've read less than half that. Why don't we both dig up our cites? I'm
> game if you are; and if you're not, I'm still game.
I don't remember where I read the 99% figure, but I'll pick my brains
today and post if I remember something.
The latter figures are available from a number of sources: almost any
right-wing book about education (e.g. None Dare Call It Education, John
Stormer).
One problem with literacy is that it's ill-defined--for example, many
people can read well but have no comprehension of what their reading;
they can't understand something when they read it they could have understood
if it were spoken.
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:10:19 -0400
Ed Avis wrote:
> AFAIK all bitmap fonts are public domain in the US. So couldn't you
> take a proprietary outline font, create an enormous set of bitmaps
> (say 1000x1000 pixels for an uppercase M), and then use some kind of
> outline tracing or bezier curve fitting program to create a new, free,
> set of outlines?
The font won't be hinted correctly. Hinting is the hardest part of
creating an outline font, and is also the most important factor to
good quality, esp. at low resolutions.
Are there any good freed-software solutions for developing fonts?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Subject: Re: How to determine IRQ's
Date: 8 May 1999 09:10:00 -0400
D. Vrabel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Jason Bond wrote:
: > Is there a program that shows which IRQ's are assigned to which
: > devices? Thanks,
: cat /proc/interrupts
: I thinks it here... Have a poke around and see what else you can find.
: David Vrabel
There was an article on interrupts in some recent issue
of linux gazette. Sorry I can't recall exactly which one.
Nor am I sure it will address your question directly,
but you might take a look. Hope it helps,
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "primus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: epson drivers
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 15:00:24 +1000
Hi sorry if this in the wrong section.
I am thinking of switching to Linux and was wondering if I can still run a
Epson stylus color 640. It says that it is a "Windows only" printer.
Does this meant that it only comes with a Windows driver but a Linux driver
is (or may be) available or can the printer physically only communicate with
windows regardless of driver.
Thanks,
Richard
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!!
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 08:23:33 -0500
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
>
> In article <7gvie8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Tice USG) writes:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > No, not really, besides the fact you need people to not be greedy
> > and self serving, and to agreee to live a certain way. Since we
> > are long way from that on any large scale, the world isn't ready
> > for it - it says something about human nature, not the ideals
> > of communism per se.
> Other than that it is irrelevant, maybe? I mean, if pigs had wings...
>
> Capitalism tends to be about steering the genetically determined
> (cfr our cousins the apes) behaviour of humans, whereas communism,
> in order to work, requires humans to be something they can't be.
>
> <SNIP>
>
> >>I think history speaks for itself and has shown communism (and
> >>socialism for that matter) to be a dangerous failure, trying to
> >>control and plan the uncontrollable and too complex human behaviour,
> >>thus naturally resulting in corruption and lots of damage.
> >
> > I agree that the attempts so far have been pretty poor, but that
> > does not mean it does not have merit, or that there are not ideas
> > which can be adapted. For instance, the notion of cooperatives
> > is quite useful, and is being put into practice all around us.
> > That is some group of people promise to come together, and do
> > things in a certain way for the benefit of all. This is not a
> > bad thing, is it?
> No, but isn't a socialist/communist original. Early Christians
> did that about 2000 years ago.
Not really... While early Christians "contributed to the common good",
they were not required to. Ananias and Sapphira, as you may recall,
lost their lives not because they faild to contribute to the common
good, but because they lied about how much they contributed. Peter
instructed, in Acts 5:4, ".. Didn't it belong to you before it was
sold? And after it was sold wasn't the money at your disposal? ..."
Private ownership of property and goods wasn't outlawed by early
Christians. They were not practicing communism, which doesn't allow
private ownership of land.
JLK
Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is
right.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams)
Subject: Re: PHB ammunition - microsoft hate links
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 04:56:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ken Williams wrote:
>
>Please post this kind of junk to alt.puberty or better suited groups
>like alt.dev.null.
You must work for Microsoft. How much was that post worth? $100?
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From: "Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"" <*****@ix.netcom.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: LILO, can't boot from 2nd SCSI drive.
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:06:30 -0400
Christopher Mahmood wrote in message ...
>this has been well documented in the HOWTO's.
>-ckm
I'm sure it has, and it's also in the faq's, and in the documentation that
came with the program, as well as everywhere else everyone pointed out to
me. And yes, I have printed and read it all and tried most of it. Did I
correct my problem? No. I'm sure it's just pilot error on my part or just
my low IQ? Well, logic dictates when you have followed all protocols in
solving a problem and exhausted all options then it's time to ask help.
Since life is to short to be dicking around with a simple problem like this,
I hope that I haven't jumped the gun on this and asked for help to quickly?
I only printed a ream of paper and spent a few days on this and felt it's
time to ask for help.
Thanks to all the wonderful people that offered all their help. I will
continue to struggle through this since I won't let this beat me into the
ground. Thanks again to all.
Ed
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rpm error
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:55:05 -0700
On Mon, 3 May 1999, Mars wrote:
> I'm running redhat 4.2. I want to install gtk and qt rpm packages,
> however, a error message appear:
> Data type 9 not supported
> I don't know what to do now. And some packages are for redhat 5.1, for
> example, qt-1.42-3rh51.i386.rpm. Is there any problem installing those
> packages?
first of all upgrade to the latest rpm-rpm you find in the 4.2 updates
(at least I found it there some time ago), that should get you around the
type 9 not supported. But then you still can't use any RH5 rpm because
those are compiled with libc6/glibc while RH4 uses libc5. Try to find rpms
for libc5 on w3.rufus.org or compile yourself.
Gerald
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another problem
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:59:36 -0700
On Mon, 3 May 1999, John Holmes wrote:
> John van der Zanden wrote:
> > Under xwindows the RPM manager was available. I don't know what happened but
> > it is gone. Can someone tell me how to get it back under Xwindows that is ??
> The Red Hat package manager (glint) gets replaced by a package called gnorpm.
> This is now your package manager.
you could allways use rpm from the (xterm) command line. I've found this
much better than glint - don't know about gnorpm but guess that's just
another frontend to rpm so why don't use it directly.
Gerald
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