Linux-Misc Digest #121, Volume #20 Sun, 9 May 99 03:13:36 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: QT Library Problems (don lebow)
Re: Debian: still viable? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Ultra DMA/66 hard drive problems (Andrew Comech)
Re: groff 1.11 make error (William Adderholdt)
RH-6, NFS and kernel 2.2.7 (Matt)
Programming crashes my system ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: cdrom filesystem? (Rod Smith)
Re: How can X be so slow? ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: Programming crashes my system (brian moore)
Re: Newbie with Printer Problems (Martijn Kruithof)
Re: Testing my CPU! ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
Re: DosEMU problem (Reinhard Karcher)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: Turtle Beach Fiji/Tahiti setup ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Debian: still viable? (Marco Anglesio)
Re: C++ Problem under Linux (Donn Miller)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (david parsons)
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:43:37 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Avis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I had a choice between hardware with built-in 'licensing
> protection', and hardware without, I'd choose the uncrippled version
> every time. Hardware manufacturers will recognize this, and with a
> little competition, hardware 'protection' would all but disappear.
> Look at what is happening with DVDs and 'regional coding'.
I would make the same choice you would. I don't like this idea very
much, but I don't see enough people standing up to matter.
I always come back to the typical consumer. If they had no way to know
would they care? They buy the software, register it on-line, and it
just works.
USB was built into most PC's for two years before W98 could use it.
What if the dongle were built into each CPU for several years, then the
companies switched over? Most people that they care about would own
machines bought within the last few years and they will just continue
on.
AMD would be forced to come on board because nobody who _had_ to run MS
products would be able to on their machines if they did not.
People who talk boldly about boycotts and how nobody would use it given
a choice, forget that the readers of this group are not "typical".
--- Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (don lebow)
Subject: Re: QT Library Problems
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:36:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jason Bond writes:
>Sorry to inundate this newsgroup with my problems
>but I am having some trouble installing programs
>that depend on the QT libraries. Specifically, I have QT-1.42 installed
>on my Redhat 5.2 system:
>
>(root@blah: ~/kuickshow-0.6.3) rpm -q -a | grep qt
>qt-1.42-3rh51
>
>and when I try and install a program that depends on the qt libraries, I
>get error messages of the form:
>
>checking for QT... configure: error: QT-1.3 (headers and libraries) not
>found. Please check your installation!
>
The package you have now contains runtime files only. You need to also
install the "developer" package, which contains the source files that
are missing. You should be able to snag it from wherever you got your
current one.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Debian: still viable?
Date: 9 May 1999 00:50:58 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gene Wilburn wrote:
> I don't hear as much about the Debian distro as I used to. I visited the
> website today and it seems to be a bit behind the more commercial
> releases (Red Hat, Caldera, SuSE).
>
> There's a 'non-stable' release called 'Potato' that runs on the Linux
> 2.2.X kernel but the 'stable' release (2.1) is back at 2.0.36.
There is a page somewhere on the Debian site that lists which (few)
packages need to be upgraded for use with 2.2.x. I started running
the 2.1.10x kernel almost immediately after installing Debian 2.0.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Ultra DMA/66 hard drive problems
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 May 1999 01:50:31 -0500
Hi Bruce --
On Sat, 08 May 1999 23:24:10 -0500, Bruce Parkin wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I was stupid enough to get a Gateway with a Promise Ultra66 controller card in
>it..... And have slackware 3.6 which has kernel 2.0.35.
>
>I kludged my way around things and got Linux installed, but then could not get
>it to boot no matter what I did. I finally found out I could only one way - by
>using LILO from a floppy with some extra kernel stuff appended.
>
>1) did you ever get this question of yours answered, and do you think it also
>applies to my system?
Nope, nobody answered me..
>2) if I upgrade my kernel to 2.2 will I be able to go back to booting LILO on
>the MBR and just select the O/S at boot time?
I do not know.. I have 2.2.5 kernel ad I boot easily, and I suspect that I
was also able to boot older kernels (2.0.36 or something).
But keep in mind that I only have UDMA/66 drive; the chipset on the
motherboard is Ultra ATA(whatever; UDMA)/33, which is supported.
/* from /proc/pci */
Bus 0, device 7, function 1:
IDE interface: VIA Technologies VT 82C586 Apollo IDE (rev 6).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0xe000 [0xe001].
About your particular case -- it would not hurt to upgrade to a newer kernel,
and you can also install LILO on a floppy. See Bootdisk-HOWTO.
Or, get Hurd's "Grub-boot" floppy with GRUB (Grand Unified Boot Manager),
which is cool: GRUB reads the kernel from the file system on the hard disk
if you only supply the kernel name (no need to rerun LILO each time you
"move" kernel). But this thing is experimental; please no false expectations
(GRUB works for me just fine, but Hurd crashes; maybe things will be
better when I get more memory). If you feel like trying this, see
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/jtobey/inst.html
...
I did not return to UDMA thing after I figured that the difference
between 5MB/s and 12MB/s disk reads accounts for at most 3% difference
in speed of kernel compiles.
I even tried to use the RAM disk, instead of a hard drive (I have had some
128MB of RAM and I copied the kernel source into memory; I am sorry if
this sounds too stupid ;-), but this only gave another 1% increase in speed.
That is, I still can not use DMA for my Quantum UDMA/66, but I do not care
much.
Best,
a.
--
Looking for a Linux-compatible V.90 modem? See
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem
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>
>Andrew Comech wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I was stupid enough to get a newer Quantum CR UDMA/66 (4.3 GB) hard drive,
>> instead of Quantum EX UDMA/33 (which I know is good), and now can not use
>> DMA support at all.
>>
>> The kernel (2.2.5) has been compiled with DMA support, and when I use
>> Quantum EX UDMA/33 drive, then, after boot-up, DMA is enabled,
>> and hdparm -t reports buffered disk reads at about 12 MB/sec
>> which is twice as much as when DMA is disabled.
>>
>> With Quantum CR UDMA/66 drive, DMA is disabled and can not be turned on.
>> See the details below.
>> hdparm -t reports buffered disk reads at about 5 MB/sec.
>>
>> I know that my motherboard was only mentioned to support UDMA/33, but
>> why would this newer drive work slower? Is not there some backwards
>> compatibility? Or should I just wait for a newer kernel?
>>
>> Please let me know if there is a way to fix this.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Andrew
>>
>> PS. The speed difference in buffered disk reads, 12 MB/sec vs. 5 MB/sec, does
>> not seem to affect the system performance seriously.
>> But still I'd like to know why DMA fails.
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>> Here are the details:
>>
>> If I attach Quantum CR UDMA/66 and boot up:
>> ...
>> VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
>> VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
>> ide0: BM-DMA at 0xe000-0xe007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA
>> ide1: BM-DMA at 0xe008-0xe00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
>> hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL CR4.3A, ATA DISK drive
>> ide2: ports already in use, skipping probe
>> ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
>> hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL CR4.3A, 4110MB w/418kB Cache, CHS=14848/9/63
>> ...
>>
>> Note: _no_ UDMA word appears at the end of the above line, as it were
>> when I use Quantum EX UDMA/33 drive.
>> Now:
>>
>> Port:~# hdparm -d /dev/hda
>>
>> /dev/hda:
>> multcount = 0 (off)
>> I/O support = 0 (default 16-bit)
>> unmaskirq = 0 (off)
>> using_dma = 0 (off)
>> keepsettings = 0 (off)
>> nowerr = 0 (off)
>> readonly = 0 (off)
>> readahead = 8 (on)
>> geometry = 14848/9/63, sectors = 8418816, start = 0
>>
>> Port:~# hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
>> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
>> using_dma = 1 (on)
>> Port:~# hdparm -d /dev/hda
>>
>> /dev/hda:
>> using_dma = 0 (off)
>>
>> At the same time, the following messages appear in /var/log/messages:
>>
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
>> 21:31:00 kernel: hda: DMA disabled
>> 21:31:00 kernel: ide0: reset: success
>>
>> For the completeness, the relevant details about the system:
>>
>> motherboards: VA-503 (rev. 1.2a), PA-2013 (both are mentioned to support
>> UDMA/33, not UDMA/66); CPU is K6-2 300 (not overclocked).
>> Debian GNU/Linux (slink), kernel 2.2.5.
>>
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Subject: Re: groff 1.11 make error
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Adderholdt)
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 05:08:57 GMT
In article <7h2bic$gsk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Arne Pierstorff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>GNU-Linux Kernel 2.0.33 (former SuSe Linux 5.2), gcc 2.7.2.1 . While
>trying to make groff 1.11 I get this message:
>
>[...]
>make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/groff-1.11/tmac'
>for f in tmac.e tmac.doc tmac.doc.old doc-common doc-ditroff doc-nroff
>doc-syms; do \
> rm -f $f-s; \
> sed -f ./strip.sed ./$f >$f-s; \
>done
>touch stamp-strip
>if test -n ""; then \
> for m in ; do \
> rm -f $m-wrap; \
> echo .cp 1 >$m-wrap; \
> echo .so $m >>$m-wrap; \
> done; \
>fi
>/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
>/bin/sh: -c: line 1: `if test -n ""; then for m in ; do rm -f $m-wrap;
>echo .cp 1 >$m-wrap; echo .so $m >>$m-wrap; done; fi'
>make[2]: *** [stamp-wrap] Error 2
>make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/groff-1.11/tmac'
>make[1]: *** [tmac] Error 2
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/groff-1.11'
>make: *** [all] Error 2
>
>Any clues?
I'm a bit of a newbie at makefiles, but I think I may see what's wrong.
The Makefile.sub in the tmac directory looks like this:
stamp-wrap:
if test -n "$(tmac_wrap)"; then \
for m in $(tmac_wrap); do \
rm -f $$m-wrap; \
echo .cp 1 >$$m-wrap; \
echo .so $(sys_tmac_prefix)$$m >>$$m-wrap; \
done; \
fi
touch $@
It's substituting $(tmac_wrap) in these lines, the value of which it gets
from the Makefile in the top directory. The value of tmac_wrap is null in
your build, which is causing syntax errors in the shell script. ("for m
in" requires an argument, which is why its complaining about the
"unexpected token `;'")
Look in the top Makefile for the definition of tmac_wrap. (It's on line
100 in my build.) If the field is empty, this would be causing your
errors.
I'm not sure what is supposed to go in this field, however. Sorry I can't
give any advice there.
Hope this helps.
William Adderholdt
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From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH-6, NFS and kernel 2.2.7
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:23:45 -0700
I Loaded RH-6 onto my system several days ago. I had been using RH-5.2
and NFS with acceptable results. I just tried to upgrade my kernel to
2.2.7 (Downloaded from kernel.org). When I boot to 2.2.7 and start nfs,
I get an error message "nfssvc function not implemented." I use make
xconfig and can't find anything in the kernel configuration that would
implement this. Can anyone help me out?
Thanks,
Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux-redhat
Subject: Programming crashes my system
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:14:32 -0400
I am using several programming languages on a Win98 environment :
Borland's C/C++ compiler and Microsoft's VJ++ for Java 1.0. C allows me
to use pointers and sometimes I get into infinite loops and while
Windows can terminate these most these most of the time, on rare
ocassions, it can't, or creates havoc in the system, forcing me to
reboot. Same with Java. I think I did something or VJ++ did something
and it might have messed up my registry, and caused "Explorer" to
malfunction, and therefore would not let me boot up to Windows. I had to
do a tedious re-install of Windows to solve that problem.
My question is, what exactly is causing these problems? Is it a bad
compiler? Is it an inherent danger in programming (especially with
pointers in C)? Or, is it Window's fault for not "isolating" the problem
program and letting it cause havoc?
And another important question, would Linux be a more stable environment
to program C or Java in? I need an operating system that is stable and
won't crash on me because of any programming mistakes I make. Or, is
programming just plain "dangerous" to any OS? The specific Linux version
I am talking about is Red Hat.
Thanks for any suggestions or comments.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: cdrom filesystem?
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:20:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Frank Waarsenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> since my Linux box does not have a CD of it's own (Usually it's just a
> dedicated router), I share a CD on a Windoze box if I need one, using
> smbmount. This works, but the files on the CD appear on the Linux
> console in 8.3 all capital format. Is there a way to mount the CD so it
> presents long filenames?
If you can find a way under Windows to extract an "image file" (aka "ISO
image" or various other things) from the CD, you can mount that via
Linux's loopback driver:
mount image-file.iso /mnt/cdrom -o loop
This will do the trick, but it will require that you have enough disk
space to store the image file, and it'll take a minute or two to prepare
for this.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can X be so slow?
Date: 8 May 1999 16:24:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mattias Dahlberg wrote:
>>
>> > It goes very fast, but then I also have a 400MHZ machine with 512MB of ram.
>>
>> Well, I have 450MHz and it crawls...
>Somehow I don't think processor speed is as big of a factor here as
>people think.
>
>But I've also got a Diamond Viper V550 AGP with 16 MB of video RAM, not
>some low-end S3 card.
Whether a system is "fast" or "slow" depends on whether it's slowing
your work down or not.
A bunch of xterms running light text apps (vi etc.) will be "fast"
on a 40 MHz 386 with a reasonable graphics accellerator.
The same software will be "slow" with a 200 MHz pentium and a dumb ISA
video card such as ET4000. The xterms will not be able to scroll text
fast enough to keep up with vi.
If your video card is fast enough to keep up with the commands your
applications send, and you have enough RAM that your apps' working set
fits in it (so there's a pitter-patter of swapping when you change
windows, not a torrent whenever you do anything) you should not have
a performance problem with XFree86. If you do, chances are something's
badly misconfigured.
Cameron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux-redhat
Subject: Re: Programming crashes my system
Date: 9 May 1999 06:16:12 GMT
On Sun, 09 May 1999 01:14:32 -0400,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am using several programming languages on a Win98 environment :
> Borland's C/C++ compiler and Microsoft's VJ++ for Java 1.0. C allows me
> to use pointers and sometimes I get into infinite loops and while
> Windows can terminate these most these most of the time, on rare
> ocassions, it can't, or creates havoc in the system, forcing me to
> reboot. Same with Java. I think I did something or VJ++ did something
> and it might have messed up my registry, and caused "Explorer" to
> malfunction, and therefore would not let me boot up to Windows. I had to
> do a tedious re-install of Windows to solve that problem.
That sounds like Windows.
> My question is, what exactly is causing these problems? Is it a bad
> compiler? Is it an inherent danger in programming (especially with
> pointers in C)? Or, is it Window's fault for not "isolating" the problem
> program and letting it cause havoc?
Yes, in Windows you can do anything, up to and including formatting your
drive -- all with no protection.
Although something as specific as formatting your drive is unlikely, the
old "thousand monkeys" can make it happen, or other things that damage
your system forcing you to reinstall.
A stray pointer can quite easily trash tables within the "OS" itself,
without Windows stopping it or caring. You can even, with some skill,
have Windows kill itself from a plain old user-land program. Windows is
quite willing to run 'loadlin' and have the entire OS replace by Linux
-- that is how unconcerned about self-preservation it is.
> And another important question, would Linux be a more stable environment
> to program C or Java in? I need an operating system that is stable and
> won't crash on me because of any programming mistakes I make. Or, is
> programming just plain "dangerous" to any OS? The specific Linux version
> I am talking about is Red Hat.
Yes, Linux would be more stable: the nature of Linux is that users do
not get access to memory that doesn't belong to them. A pointer gone
astray won't have you writing garbage all over the kernel: it will
certainly let you trash the memory image of your progam, or your
progam's dats. Most likely, though, it will be detected as being an
access to memory you don't own, and you'll get the infamous
"segmentation fault" and your program will be terminated. (Of the 4
billion possible addresses in memory on an x86, it's not likely your
program will have access to one chosen at random.)
This is, of course, highly useful for a programmer: at that point, a
copy of the state of the program is saved to disk, including the
contents of all the registers and all your data. A "postmortem" can
often find the cause of the problem.
The only way to run the equivalent of 'loadlin' from Linux is to
actually request the kernel to reboot (something only root can do, for
obvious reasons). A simple userland request to write on top of the
kernel will fail. The kernel knows enough to not allow that.
Linux is a wonderful development environment. Add in years of
development toys (because once you have a good dev environment, people
strive to make it better) and it's quite simply the nicest place I
know of to work on code.
It doesn't matter which distribution of Linux you use: they will all
have the same protection and keep userland code in the box.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Martijn Kruithof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie with Printer Problems
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:27:45 +0200
Farley Brant Carter wrote:
> My printer does not support the single linfeed that linux uses. Instead
> I need the linefeed/return.
>
> I know i need to set up an input filter but I do not know how to do
> this.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
Try to find the apsfilter /apsprint program, this set up an appropiate
filter
for you
Kind Regards, Martijn
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From: "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Testing my CPU!
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:17:21 +0400
Folks,
Many thanks for the wonderful suggestions.
Badong
Ferdinand V. Mendoza wrote:
> HI all,
> I have a PII 400 stand alone PC and running Mandrake 5.3 on it.
> I wanted to put some load to my CPU close to 100% to test it's
> stability.
> I can't find a single app to do that except the password cracker
> program I'm running now. It can push my CPU up to 99% usage
> and still my PC can run well even if I'm runnning other programs
> like X11amp, netscape and do some cron schedules to run the
> updatedb program every 5 min. interval, check mail regularly,etc.
> Is this a sound test?
> I just want to compare because in the office, I'm running WIN NT
> and if the cpu usage is close to 100% I cannot move my mouse
> pointer anymore. Any suggestions?
>
> Badong
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reinhard Karcher)
Date: 08 May 99 15:32:03 GMT
Subject: Re: DosEMU problem
Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>when i run dosemu, with Freedos, i cannot lredir any of my disks
Hi Alex,
Freedos dosn't support lrdir'ed devices yet.
Reinhard
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:38:09 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Formal
> copyright protection doesn't really buy that much. People still
> see an making extra copy of appfoo as a near zero cost process
> and intuitively devalue that software and pirate away.
I don't see us going to dongles so much as Intel developing a hardware
"uber dongle" which will live on the PC board or even in the CPU. It
would hold licence information etc.
With billions at stake, we should not underestimate what they would do
to stop the loss of revenue from the loss of copyrights.
Oh well...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Fiji/Tahiti setup
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:59:05 GMT
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I'm trying to put the Turtle Beach Fiji Card to work, I
>
> I'm having almost exactly the same problem with my Turtle Beach Tahiti card.
Well, thanks to a helpful e-mail from Antonio, I realized that the default
mixer settings for the Turtle Beach driver are at zero. I had my Tahiti
configured properly, I just needed to adjust the mixer. I ran the "aumix"
command line utility to set the mixer, then used the "play" command line
utility to play a .wav file. Perfect! I suspect that the Fiji/Pinnacle will
work just fine as well.
Good luck!
-Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Subject: Re: Debian: still viable?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 06:54:22 GMT
On Sat, 08 May 1999 23:43:12 GMT, Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There's a 'non-stable' release called 'Potato' that runs on the Linux
>2.2.X kernel but the 'stable' release (2.1) is back at 2.0.36.
Well, that's the point of unstable vs. stable. Stable is supposed to be,
well, stable. Only bug-fixes to be submitted. Unstable is supposed to be
under development, new stuff coming in all the time. That said, unstable
is quite decent.
>What's the word on Debian these days? Is it losing ground to the slicker
>distros or is it holding its own?
I'd certainly think that it's holding its own. More to the point, Debian
isn't supposed to appeal to the whole body of Linux users; Debian has a
specific goal, as spelled out in the social contract, to create a 100%
free Linux distro. This is going to create the illusion of "losing ground"
as non-free software gets introduced into other distributions, but not
into the Debian core.
I would think that it's just as easy as any other distribution to run; you
can import rpm's (convert them to debs with alien first - I've only had a
problem once, with the codeforge 1.2 rpms). The deb packages are generally
very well qc'ed - I can't remember ever having had a problem with them.
There's a fair bit of discussion going on with debian, but it's mostly on
the mailing lists; it's not a distribution that will slip beneath the
waves anytime soon.
marco
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C++ Problem under Linux
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:05:44 -0400
On 7 May 1999, No Limit Hacker wrote:
> I can=B4t install C++ under Linux 6.1
> I have allready installed it with YAST, but I can=B4t start the
> programm,
Include the path, like so:
=2E/program
Donn
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Date: 8 May 1999 23:30:39 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just look at the mess that distributors made of glibc 2.0/1. Even
>though glibc2.0 was not intended for production use, they shipped it
As much as it's tempting to blame the distributors for gl*bc 2.0,
alas, you must also blame the developers. The developer of libc 5
dropped libc 5 like a hot potato as soon as glibc 2.0 was even
slightly viable, and many many other developers scrambled to get on
the glibc bandwagon as soon as they could. And the glibc developers
weren't extraordinarily good at announcing that "this is beta
software and you shouldn't use it!"
If it's any fault, it's the Linux community's feeling that if a piece
of code isn't absolutely leading edge, it's ``stale'' and should thus
be shunned as if it was radioactive.
____
david parsons \bi/ It's to FreeBSD's credit that the core team had to
\/ be forced at gunpoint into switching from a.out to
ELF.
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