Linux-Misc Digest #121, Volume #24 Wed, 12 Apr 00 01:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: trouble going to http sites (John Scudder)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Michael Westerman")
New Dell with a ATA66: any hope? ("Kirk Wythers")
Gentus distro for ABIT BP6 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: sendmail with attachment ("Gero H. Marten")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Gentus distro for ABIT BP6 (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Can't mount Win95 FAT32 ("Michael Westerman")
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] ("Michael
Westerman")
Re: Apache -- CGI (Gordon Hooton)
Re: Minimal installation on small harddisk? ("Michael Westerman")
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Roger)
Re: newbie question (Arun Keswani)
Re: help with 'make' (G. Asch)
Re: Programming Languages on Linux (G. Asch)
Re: [Q] Decrypt (Christopher Browne)
Re: Programming Languages on Linux (Christopher Browne)
Re: [Q] Decrypt (Bill Unruh)
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From: John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: trouble going to http sites
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:30:11 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:19:26 -0500, John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >The ethernet card configuration seems to have gone all right. I can
> >ping and ftp addresses from the console or Xterm with no problem. I can
> >access the simplest of http sites (no graphics) with a kfm window. But
> >as soon as I try to go to a site with the least bit of graphics or
> >complexity, the desktop slows to a crawl and finally freezes.
>
> COL 2.3 had an installation bug where sometimes the swap partition wasn't
> enabled even though you told it to create one. With 32 MB and KDE, that's
> a Bad Thing. Do a "free" and verify that it shows swap > 0. If not, add
> this to your /etc/fstab:
>
> /dev/hda2 none swap defaults 0 0
>
> Substitute the proper swap partition of course.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> -| http://www.codem.com/
Hey, I think that might be the problem! Come to think of it, when I edited
fstab to add my ZIP drive mount point, I don't remember seeing a line for the
swap file. I'll check it out, thanks!!
John
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From: "Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:02:37 +1000
appligys for droped o's key board faulty.
They seem to know how best to exploit tehnlogy (software) to get the most
money or market advantage don't they.
It worked any way till the law steped in.
general share prices drped as a result of court rulling didn't they
i could be wrng though.
>
> 'Breaking up Microsoft will stifle innovation.' Goodness
> knows Microsoft is single handedly built computing to what
> it is now. They invented operating systems (ignore OS/360,
> MVS, VM, VMS, CP/M, Unix). They invented programming
> languages (ignore FORTRAN, PL/1, ALGOL, APL, . . ., C).
> They invented the programming IDE (ignore Turbo Pascal).
> They invented the GUI (ignore Xerox/PARC, Apple Lisa and
> Mac, X). They invented office productivity suites (ignore
> WordStar, WordPerfect, VisiCalc, 123, . . .). They invented
> networking (ignore Novell, Sun, IBM, telnet, . . .). They
> invented the web and web browsers (choke!).
>
> Microsoft is definitely the world's best exploiter of
> technology originally developed by other people. But a
> irreplaceable source of software innovation?
>
>
> * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is
Beautiful
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From: "Kirk Wythers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: New Dell with a ATA66: any hope?
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:02:52 -0700
What have I gotten myself into? I have a Ultra ATA66 controller card and a
30 gig quantum fireball for a hard disk. Seems that no matter how carefully
you look at the "supported hardware" page, you overlook something. I'd like
to install linux on a 6 gig partition. Are there any "work arounds" for
controller card issue?
Thanks in advance,
Kirk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Gentus distro for ABIT BP6
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:17:05 +0800
Hi folks,
Just checking if anybody had tried the Gentus Linux distribution. Any
issues? Would be very appreciated if you can share as i'm going to try
it on my BP6 mobo.
Thank you.
Regards
Damon
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sendmail with attachment
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:39:06 +0200
> Wolfgang Rupprecht wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> how can I attach some file when posting mail with
> sendmail -t < laber.txt
>
> Thanks,
> Wolfgang
Sendmail only transports mail. Attaching is done via your mail client
(Netscape, pine, elm, etc.).
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:01:09 -0500
>
> What "some senile hack judge decides in a courtroom" *is* reality.
> You can refuse to accept it all you like, but courts are the
> final arbiter, and the only one who is going to suffer from you
> lack of acceptance is you.
You're one out of three. Yes, the court may be final. They can make
decisions and they can use force to enforce their decisions. That does
not make their decisions economically, morally, or even legally correct.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:15:22 -0500
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Harlan Grove wrote:
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ws.net>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, if you insist on using the dictionary definition
> >> of 'monopoly',
> >
> > works for me.
>
> It would.
Well...yeah...words do have meanings
> >> The fact is that Microsoft has engaged in discriminatory
> >> pricing of Windows etc., selling these products at lower
> >> prices to OEMs that make their buyers pay for Windows
> >
> > actually I kind of like the notion of producers and
> > buyers agreeing on a price without some third party
> > butting in.
>
> You seem to be the sort of person who'd consider protection
> rackets nothing more than unorthodox insurance products.
No, and I don't see how that follows from anything I've said.
> > What some senile hack judge decides in a courtroom
> > doesn't change reality anymore than a jury saying OJ
> > Simpson is not guilty changes reality.
>
> Ah, the strengths of your argument have led you to the
> inevitable ad homenim attack. Or, one miscarriage of
you're right, I should have left him out of it.
> Finding it difficult to offer any cogent reasons Microsoft
> shouldn't get dismembered?
I don't think the ball is in my court. I think it's up to you give reason
for breaking up Microsoft.
> Microsoft is definitely the world's best exploiter of
> technology originally developed by other people. But a
> irreplaceable source of software innovation?
And where is it written in the law that Microsoft is responsible for
innovation? Anheuser-Busch hasn't innovated in a hundred years and nobody
is clamoring that they should be broken up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Gentus distro for ABIT BP6
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:29:05 GMT
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:17:05 +0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Just checking if anybody had tried the Gentus Linux distribution. Any
>issues? Would be very appreciated if you can share as i'm going to try
>it on my BP6 mobo.
Just FYI, its RH6.1 with Andre Hedrick's ide patch (for UDMA66), and a
couple of other minor patches. Bit newer kernel too IIRC.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can't mount Win95 FAT32
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:34:16 +1000
redhat 5.x had fat32 n vfat. no errors on it.
Timo Nieminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Sandhitsu R Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> # cat /proc/filesystems
> >>
> >> ext2
> >> msdos
> >> nodev proc
> >> vfat
> >>
> >> # mount /dev/hda1 /dosc
> >>
> >> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1 or too
> >> many mounted file systems
>
> vfat is not FAT32. vfat is FAT16 with long file names. (Unless fat32
support
> has been added to vfat module recently, but it wasn't there when your
kernel
> was born)
>
> --
> Timo A. Nieminen - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/nieminen.html
> Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
>
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From: "Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:34:40 +1000
can linux kernel be upgradeed and then laded in t memry with out a reboot?
if so how id like to try it.
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From: Gordon Hooton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache -- CGI
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:39:14 GMT
Just a suggestion, Apache and Linux sometimes need an emply print line
after the "Content-type:..." or they give malformed headers
Try:
#!/usr/bin/perl
print "Content-type:text/html\n\n";
print "";
print "<html><head><title>Test Page</title></head>\n";
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
paul simdars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> print "Content-type:text/html\n\n";
>
> print "<html><head><title>Test Page</title></head>\n";
> print "<body>\n";
> print "<h2>Hello, world!</h2>\n";
> print "</body></html>\n";
>
> I guess it is not executing it as a script but opening it as a file.
I
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Michael Westerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Minimal installation on small harddisk?
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:54:18 +1000
you can still pick individual paks
just picking the right ones is a problem.
if x is chosen you must must must unselect some of the biger window systems
eg gnome, Kde, Enlightenment.
and if you want 1 remove games etc or thing you don't want.
don't install kernel headers.
nly netscape if you need it, not communicator.
don't wrry about removing too much it will tell you if you need it.
you can allways rerun setup and choose upgrade pakages to install what you
missed last time.
install sme gui (menu driven or X ) rpm manager at least t make life
easyer..
Grant Edwards <grant@nowhere.> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Wiegand wrote:
>
> >> Hi, we have some old Sun IPCs with small 200Mb harddisks. We'd like to
use
> >> these machines as X terminals. We've tried installing Redhat but even
with
> >> minimal packages chosen we can't seem to meet the 160Mb (40 Mb swap)
> >> available. Any suggestions, or should we try something else, i.e. *BSD?
> >
> >RedHat is probably not the best choice for a small system.
> >
> >I have installed a Debian system (including X) on a 100M Zip disk.
>
> You used to be able to pick and choose individual packages
> under RH. I did an install of RH 4.something on an 80M disk.
> That included X and gcc. If you can't get a RH 6.x
> installation in 160M, then things sure have bloated up in the
> last couple years...
>
> --
> Grant Edwards grante Yow! BARBARA STANWYCK
> at makes me nervous!!
> visi.com
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:09:23 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mork wrote:
>
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:54:14 GMT, "Michael W. Coulson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >That's not entirely correct. Nothing NEVER crashes. :) I had Linux
> >crash on me once - but that's with 2 years + constant running. That's a
> >good track record don't you think. :) Personally - everything I want to
> >run has a Linux version. My main machine has not booted another OS in
> >over 2 years. My other machine runs Windows(all versions) Beos,
> >Freebsd, solaris,etc - only 'cause I like to tinker. :)
>
> Wish I could go 2 years, let alone 2 days. I'm writing this in
> windows (forte free agent) because I got tired of rebooting linux
> every time a process hung, which refused being killed in any way.
Probably a bad CPU or bad memory.
Seriously.
Linux will push your hardware a LOT harder than lose-blows.
>
> The differences in peoples mileages is amazing.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Roger <roger@.>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:17:05 GMT
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:49:35 GMT, someone claiming to be fungus
wrote:
>Yep. Are people forgettign that this is the company
>whose '97 version of a word processor was incapable
>of reading files created by their '95 version of the
>same program.
Nope. It's not really possible to forget what did not actually
happen...
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From: Arun Keswani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: newbie question
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:17:56 -0400
Just to update everyone on what is going on. I tried most everything that
everyone
suggested. I started out by going into linuxconf. I set up the eth0 adapter
using the dhcp option and specified tulip as the module. This added a line
to the conf.modules file in /etc automatically. I then tried ifconfig, but
nothing
came up. When I am in the control-panel the eth0 shows up but it is
inactive.
When
I try to activate it , it just tried to obtain an ip address for a while,
during
which
time if you type "ifconfig" the card shows up. But then it gives up
"Operation
failed"
and the card is no longer seen if you type ifconfig.
Now I am not too sure what is going on. I tried to compile the driver that I
got with the card, but I suspect that it was designed for an earlier kernel.
At any rate it fails giving me various errors about arguments not being the
correct number. I had a look at the code, but could not decipher anything.
Something to do with pointers. So that was a no go.
I am willing to take suggestions here. Do you folks think that the card is
being
recognized or that the driver is the right one, after all the card does show
up in the control panel ? Or is it a problem with the DHCP. Incidentally,
as you may have gathered from the previous postings, this is a strange case,
because the tech who set up the service, used DHCP in windows , but
when I contacted @Home , they gave me an IP, gateway add, dns numbers
etc. So I am not completely sure if I should DHCP or static. I have tried
the
static settings to no avail too. Incidentally the DHCP works under windows.
So I am wondering should I throw the noname card out the window and buy
something more conventional ? Your ideas, suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks
A.
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Subject: Re: help with 'make'
Reply-To: G. Asch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: G. Asch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 11 Apr 2000 22:19:04 -0400
root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
search ftp for make binaries in rpm format
for documentation look at www.fsf.org for the make manual in HTML
and other formats
r> Does anybody know where I can download a copy of make with some
r> good docuimentation?
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Subject: Re: Programming Languages on Linux
Reply-To: G. Asch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: G. Asch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 11 Apr 2000 22:32:47 -0400
Robie Basak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
RB> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:58:59 +0200, Peet Grobler said:
>> What programming languages are there on linux? I know about C++,
>> Fortran and Pascal. But anything else? Anything that's "own" to
>> Linux?
RB> Just about everything is available for Linux; apart from Microsoft
RB> Visual Basic (and even then someone's working on a clone).
Is there a way to stop that someone before the damage is done ;-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: [Q] Decrypt
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:39:34 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>Robie writes:
>> You can't decrypt a UNIX 'crypt'ed plaintext;
>
>He means the old Unix crypt encryption program, not the password hashing
>function.
>
>> ...it's one way (unless you have massive computing power at your
>> disposal).
>
>No amount of computing power will reverse the hash. There's information
>lost.
On the other hand, there will be *some* amount of computing power that
can find *a* password that satisfies the hash... Perhaps not with
MD5, but it ought not to be *too* computationally difficult to find
solutions for "old UNIX passwd."
--
Tell a man that there are 400 billion stars, and he'll believe you.
Tell him a bench has wet paint, and he has to touch it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/crypto.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Programming Languages on Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:39:36 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Robert Heller would say:
> Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> In a message on Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:28:08 GMT, wrote :
>
>LP> Peet Grobler wrote:
>LP> >
>LP> > What programming languages are there on linux? I know about C++, Fortran and
>LP> > Pascal. But anything else? Anything that's "own" to Linux?
>LP>
>LP> Let's see... We had this question come up a couple of months ago, and
>LP> I believe that we concluded that there were something like 30+
>LP> programming languages useable on Linux. Most of then are freely
>LP> available, but a few are commercial products. Off the top of my head,
>LP> there was...
>LP>
>LP> COBOL, C, C++, Fortran, Simula, Modula, Lisp, Pascal, Perl, Python,
>LP> Java, TCL (and TK), Bash, Csh, Ksh, pdsh, and Assembly language
>LP> (platform specific). I know I've forgotten more of the list than I've
>LP> remembered.
>
>BASIC, m4, logo, smalltalk, postscript (it is a programming language!),
>IDL (see http://www.rsinc.com). Tk is not a language in itself, but a
>toolkit layered on top of Tcl, Perl, or Python. Tex is *kind* of a
>programming language (like postscript it is a *specialized* programming
>language).
>
>I *think* I've heard mumblings of forth being available.
>
>MicroEmacs runs under Linux and includes it own extension language,
>this probably counts as well.
There are *several* Forth implementations available.
Toss into the fruit salad:
- At least ten implementations of Scheme
- About 4 implementations of Common Lisp
- Probably another half dozen Lisps of other sorts
- Eiffel
- Modula-2, Modula-3
- Icon
- Objective C [a cross between C and Smalltalk]
- Practically every scripting language imaginable, where Rexx, Lua,
scsh, es, esh, ruby, awk, gawk, mawk, s-lang, ECMAScript, Rebol,
Gush should be added to the list...
- Inferno
- Algol68
- COBOL
- Self
- APL, J
- Sisal
- Haskell
- Miranda
- ML
- CAML
- OCAML
- Poplog
- Beta
- Mercury
- Erlang
- FORTRAN, Fortran
- Intercal
- Sather
- M
- Prolog
- Pliant
- TRAC
- BASIC
Almost all of these are available freely for Linux; some offer
commercial support...
--
Warning: Dates in calendar are closer than they appear.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: [Q] Decrypt
Date: 12 Apr 2000 05:01:50 GMT
In <a6TI4.82803$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher
Browne) writes:
>On the other hand, there will be *some* amount of computing power that
>can find *a* password that satisfies the hash... Perhaps not with
>MD5, but it ought not to be *too* computationally difficult to find
>solutions for "old UNIX passwd."
There has never been any evidence that two plaintexts hash to the same
crypted password under crypt(3).
There is no necessity, since there are only 2^56 possible inputs and
2^64 possible outputs.
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