Linux-Misc Digest #176, Volume #20 Wed, 12 May 99 21:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: RoadRunner (cable modem) in Linux? (Jeremiah)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Craig Dowell)
Re: *.tgz (Andrew Comech)
Re: RedHat price... (Jerry Normandin)
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
NFS server (mountd/nfsd) won't start -- PLS HELP (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Re: redhat 6.0 cd image (Andreas Schyman)
Re: Linux finally (Bill Unruh)
Re: Problem with /dev/ttyS2 (Andrew Comech)
What's on the RH6 Applications CD? (John Brock)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: RoadRunner (cable modem) in Linux?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:22:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Joe Strout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
> Does anybody know whether it's possible to use a cable modem
> (specifically, the Time-Warner RoadRunner service) from linux?
It should be easy... most cable modems connect to a standard
NIC, so one thing you first need to check is that your NIC is supported.
Also, Roadrunner requires you to log in to their system before you can
actually get anywhere, so you'll also need a login program for RR.
Unfortunately, various parts of the country have different login
requirements. If Roadrunner has been in your area for a while, there's
a good chance someone has already written a login utility. If not,
you'll have to write your own...
You can start your search at the Linux board on:
http://smaug.fammed.ohio-state.edu/shane/rr/c2c/
Best of luck,
Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Dowell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 12 May 1999 23:48:20 GMT
>>>>I define a free market economic system as one in which individuals, rather
>>>>than government, make most of the decisions about economic activities and
>>>
>>>But since "government" is just "a bunch of individuals" then a command
>>>economy is a type of free market by your definition.
>>
>>Uh huh. There is no difference between a free market and a command
>
>According to YOUR definition. Which obviously means that your definition
>of a free market is bullshit. Why are you too stupid to figure this out?
<SARCASM>
Jeez, sorry. I didn't realize that my deciding to buy a camera at a given
time at a particular price was actually no different than a bureaucrat
living three thousand miles away, appointed by a representative that I
didn't vote for, deciding that I should not be allowed to buy the camera.
I didn't realize that my deciding to go to school and become a software
engineer and than practice that trade for twenty-five years was no
different than a government bureaucrat deciding that there was a shortage
of sewer workers and assigning me to waste treatment plant number 1743
for twenty-five years.
I hold my head in shame for even considering that there could be a
difference. Lead me oh wise one.
</SARCASM>
>>I didn't realize that the folks in Moosejaw got their marching orders
>>from Ottawa. Hmmm. That explains a lot about the world-class products
>>flowing from Canada, eh?
>
>We have a command economy, commanded by billionaires.
For some twisted definition of a command economy, I'm sure.
>>>He's talking about the fact that labour is not a free agent. That
>>>labour is essentially enslaved.
>>
>>Uh huh. Let's redefine slavery a little more, eh? Bring up the Nazis,
>>the fascists.
>
>No need to redefine slavery at all. At the turn of the century, everyone
>accepted that wage slavery was just another form of slavery. Of course,
>there has been 50 years of heavy propaganda by corporations since then
>so weak minds (like you) and ignorant twits (again, like you) have
>swallowed the tripe whole and now believe they are "free".
Sheesh. Weak minded? Ignorant twit? I am niether. In my experience
a poster's intelligence and the general factuality of the post is inversely
proportional to the number of insults therein. Being called a moron,
weak minded, ignorant, a twit, stupid, and intellectually inferior by you
in a single post tells me exactly who and what you are, and how seriously
I should take you.
>Excerpt from
> The Capitalist System
>
> by Mikhail Bakunin 1814-1876
>
> M. Karl Marx, the illustrious leader of German Communism, justly
> observed in his magnificent work Das Kapital2 that if the contract
> freely entered into by the vendors of money -in the form of wages -
> and the vendors of their own labor -that is, between the employer and
> the workers - were concluded not for a definite and limited term only,
> but for one's whole life, it would constitute real slavery. Concluded
> for a term only and reserving to the worker the right to quit his
> employer, this contract constitutes a sort of voluntary and transitory
> serfdom. Yes, transitory and voluntary from the juridical point of
> view, but nowise from the point of view of economic possibility. The
> worker always has the right to leave his employer, but has he the
> means to do so? And if he does quit him, is it in order to lead a free
> existence, in which he will have no master but himself? No, he does it
> in order to sell himself to another employer. He is driven to it by
> the same hunger which forced him to sell himself to the first
> employer. Thus the worker's liberty, so much exalted by the
> economists, jurists, and bourgeois republicans, is only a theoretical
> freedom, lacking any means for its possible realization, and
> consequently it is only a fictitious liberty, an utter falsehood. The
> truth is that the whole life of the worker is simply a continuous and
> dismaying succession of terms of serfdom -voluntary from the juridical
> point of view but compulsory in the economic sense - broken up by
> momentarily brief interludes of freedom accompanied by starvation; in
> other words, it is real slavery.
<SARCASM>
Oh, well that makes all the friggin' difference in the world! Sheesh!
Here I am, living extremely well, able to go pretty much anywhere as I
please and do pretty much anything I want, and I'm actually an opressed
slave held in lifelong bondage by the billionaires running our command
economy. I hold my head in shame for even considering something else.
A thousand pardons. Lead me oh wise one.
</SARCASM>
>>*Yawn* Whenever one reads the word moron in a post, it can be
>>assured that the following content will ... Oh never mind; it's a wasted
>>effort. I defer to your obviously massively superior intellect.
>
>It's not that my intellect is superior to the rest. It's that yours
>is massively *inferior*. Someone brings up objections to your idiot
>rants and you go "Uhhh, what's that supposed to mean?".
Rant? You're priceless. I provided a definition of free market in a
post which says it's not perfect but it pretty much works. You started
in on your diatribe which you continue nicely here, bridge off into
a discussion on Marxism, continue tossing around insults almost at every
paragraph, and you say I'm ranting? Pretty funny. Are you a comedian?
Performance artist?
>>Believe whatever you want. Feel free to implement a workers paradise
>>in Canada. Since Canadians are basically good people, it'll work there
>>for the first time and you'll show us all.
>
>It worked in Paris for 70-odd days, until the massacre on the fields
>of March. It worked in Germany until it was brutally crushed by the
>reigning regime. It even worked in a backward country like Russia for
>an entire 3 years (from 1917 to 1920) until the entire world attacked
>Russia and bled it dry, thus paving the way for a state-capitalist
>like Stalin.
Go for it, like I said. Believe it, like I said. I could care less
what you think. Yeah, I know, I know. I'll be first up against the
wall when the revolution comes.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: *.tgz
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 May 1999 20:23:01 -0500
On Wed, 12 May 1999 15:38:57 -0700, jik- wrote:
>Nevyn wrote:
>>
>> very simple question i know but how do i uncompresscompleatly a tgz
>> file....i used gunzip(?) an it made a tar file that i can nothing
>> with...what do i do next?.....if anyones willing to help..mail me an answer
>> @ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Either that, or tar zxvf file.tgz will do the whole thing all at
>once....put a v in there if you want to watch it extract.
Well, this may be not _that_ simple...
>From RELNOTES of Xfree86:
The installation utility ``extract'' is used to unpack the .tgz files
that make
up the XFree86 distribution. The .tgz files are gzipped tar files. However,
``tar'' in its standard form on most OSs is not well-suited to the task of
installing XFree86. The extract utility is a modified version of GNU tar 1.12
built with the options required to make it suitable for installing XFree86.
The source for extract is available from the same place you got the XFree86
distribution.
It is strongly recommended that you use the provided extract utility to unpack
the XFree86 distribution. If you choose to ignore this and use something else,
we don't want to hear from you if you run into problems. It is also important
that you do not rename the extract utility. If renamed, it behaves just like
the normal GNU tar.
Is it just a joke which I did not get from the first time?
Well, if it is a joke, then it's a good one. Does anybody know?
a.
--
Looking for a Linux-compatible V.90 modem? See
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem
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From: Jerry Normandin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat price...
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:26:46 -0400
There's a kid selling copies of redhat 6.0 for $3.95.
Hey It's GPL he's not breaking any rules.
$80 is crazy... to make it worth it you need to get 10 people
to chip in and burn 9 additional copies!
Frank Waarsenburg wrote:
>
> Fully agree... Just bought a $15 RH5.0 release to set up the box, and then
> upgraded everything from the net. $80 is crazy....
>
> Frank
>
> Ray wrote:
>
> > I just checked out the price on the newest version of RedHat (6.0),
> > and I see that the basic boxed set is going to sell for between
> > $75-$80, to which I say, "ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR EVER-LOVING MINDS?!"
> > Is there really that much new in 6.0 to justify such an extreme price
> > hike? I got 5.2 for $20, for the basic boxed set. That was a good
> > sale price, but even the off-sale price ($40) was about half of what
> > 6.0 is going for. What are the thoughts on this? Is RedHat shooting
> > themselves in the foot here? As much as I like Linux, it's still not
> > *fully* ready for prime-time (by that I mean the *average* home
> > computer user).. no USB support, last I checked, for example. The
> > average consumer is going to be real pissed off if they spend $80 for
> > Linux and they encounter problems with it.. and that can't be a good
> > thing for Linux in general. OK, they readily pay $80+ and have
> > problems with Windoze, but still... And, yes, I know we can get
> > RedHat for "free" over the Net, but your average user might not want
> > to do that, or not know how to go about doing it. I just can't help
> > think that this is a Bad Thing, since RedHat is the distribution of
> > Linux most often seen in retail outlets. Or, am I way off base here?
> >
> > Personally, this has dead-set me against getting RedHat 6.0 as my next
> > Linux. It'll be Caldera or SuSE for me! Most likely the latter...
> >
> > Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:21:19 GMT
[posted & mailed]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>snip<
:> Sigh... you can't possibly think hardcoded paths are a good idea, can
:> you? Or the assumption that /usr/local/anything even exists?
:
: Again, the perl4 vs. perl5 example is suitable in this case:
No, it's not, sorry.
Perl 5.00502 currently resides in /usr/bin of recent FreeBSD
releases.
>snip<
: *BSD does not have this problem. As soon as perl6 is released, perl5
: would likely become the "system" perl [since it would then become
: "stable"], and perl6 would go in /usr/local/bin. No conflicts, no
: problems, nothing breaks.
You will not find perl4 included in recent system releases at all.
Use of perl4 on FreeBSD for so long had nothing to do with language
stability at all.
>snip<
:> Ah, I get it. If you can predict the future you can decide what
:> belongs under /usr/local. You have to know when the next revision
:> will happen.
:
: No, it's the other way around. Something goes in /usr/local *until*
: there are no more revisions.
Huh? To follow this logic the entire operating system should be
under /usr/local.
: Then, if it's a common dependency, it's reasonable to stick it in
: /usr/bin.
That does not follow.
: I don't need to be able to predict the future to know they're not coming
: out with new revisions of perl4.
Drop your perl poster child, it doesn't exist. Using it to try and
bolster your arguments is self-defeating.
: If they ever release perl6, then perl5 will stop changing and can safely
: be migrated to /usr/bin.
Perl5 (5.00502) is in /usr/bin *now*.
Perl6 (aka Topaz) won't be seen for *years*. To quote:
"There is no ETA for Topaz. It is expected to be several years
before it achieves enough robustness, compatibility, portability,
and performance to replace perl5 for ordinary use by mere mortals."
Perl4 is *dead*.
Perl5 is *stable*
Perl5 is 99.99% compatible with all Perl4 code and nearly as much
perl[1-3] code.
Perl6/Topaz will change any of this. To quote:
"Perl6 is a semi-jocular reference to the Topaz project. Headed by
Chip Salzenberg, Topaz is yet-another ground-up rewrite of the
current release of Perl, one whose major goal is to create a more
maintainable core than found in release 5. Written in nominally
portable C++, Topaz hopes to maintain 100% source-compatibility
with previous releases of Perl but to run significantly faster and
smaller."
: Think of it this way: /usr/local is for things that are still changing
Like, umm, the operating system?
: or which are extremely optional [like gimp, doom, etc]. /usr is for
: "system" files,
Agreed, finally :-)
: which are files that don't change and are commonly required by other
: applications. The contents of /usr *can* change over time, as new
: applications become commonly depended upon [perl didn't use to be in
: /usr/bin until it become so common for installation scripts] and become
: stable [no new releases].
Perl's existence in /usr/bin has nothing to do with installation
scripts what so ever and everything to do with the fact that many
other system components are built with it:
$ grep -l '#!/usr/bin/perl' /usr/bin/* /usr/sbin/* | wc -l
44
And don't forget about its use in system make files ala /usr/src.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
My code is filled with comments! It's just that my comments are
written in Perl.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: NFS server (mountd/nfsd) won't start -- PLS HELP
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:29:43 GMT
I've been trying for about two weeks to get my Linux/RH5.1 system
NFS server running. I've had some help from the net and know
more about diagnosing the trouble. At this point I'm convinced
that my configuration is correct and something else is broken.
For what it's worth, I've read a great deal of DejaNews stuff on
the topic before deciding that I should post for help again.
Excluding the NFS server, the rest of my network setup is working
just fine.
The symptom I can't get beyond is this:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs start reports these errors:
rpc.mountd Cannot register service:
RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused
rpc.nfsd Cannot register service:
RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused
I'm at my wits end on this. Please help, if you can.
Many thanks in advance....
Other relevant data follows.
*************************
/etc/hosts.allow
*************************
#
# hosts.allow This file describes the names of the hosts which are
# allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
# by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
#
ALL: 127.0.0.1
ALL: 192.123.456.78
*************************
/etc/hosts.deny
*************************
#
# hosts.deny This file describes the names of the hosts which are
# *not* allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
# by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
#
# The portmap line is redundant, but it is left to remind you that
# the new secure portmap uses hosts.deny and hosts.allow. In particular
# you should know that NFS uses portmap!
ALL: ALL
*************************
/etc/exports
*************************
/home 192.123.456.78(rw)
/home myhost.mynet.com(rw)
*************************
/etc/fstab
*************************
myhost:/home /mnt/myhost/home nfs user,exec,dev,suid,rw,noauto,bg,soft 1 1
*************************
lsmod says:
Module Pages Used by
BusLogic 20 1 (autoclean)
sr_mod 4 1 (autoclean)
nls_iso8859_1 1 1 (autoclean)
vfat 4 1 (autoclean)
nfs 12 8 (autoclean)
nls_cp437 1 1 (autoclean)
fat 6 [vfat] 1 (autoclean)
opl3 3 0
sb 6 0
uart401 2 [sb] 0
sound 16 [opl3 sb uart401] 0
*************************
chkconfig --list says:
nfsfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
nfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
*************************
rpcinfo -p myhost says:
program vers proto port
100000 2 tcp 111 rpcbind
100000 2 udp 111 rpcbind
*************************
tail -2 /var/log/messages
May 12 17:08:01 myhost mountd[13233]: unable to register (mountd, 1, udp).
May 12 17:08:01 myhost nfsd[13241]: unable to register (nfsd, 2, udp).
*************************
Program & system information
Linux 2.0.34
gcc 2.7.2.3
portmap-4.0-11
nfs-server-clients-2.2beta40-1
nfs-server-2.2beta40-1
tcp_wrappers-7.6-4
SysVinit-2.74-4
initscripts-3.67-1
net-tools-1.33-6
netcfg-2.19-4
netkit-base-0.10-10
glibc-devel-2.0.7-19
glibc-debug-2.0.7-19
glibc-2.0.7-19
libc-5.3.12-28
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From: Andreas Schyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: redhat 6.0 cd image
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:36:19 +0200
Gordon Vrdoljak wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I was wondering if there was any site I could download the entire
> redhat 6.0 cd from.
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub4/os/Linux/distributions/redhat.iso
Andreas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Linux finally
Date: 13 May 1999 00:43:04 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alex Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It took me a while to get X to start up in anything but 256 colors. But
>> hours of reading man pages and trial n error and I'm in 24bit colour.
>> I'm pretty sure that I am in more than 256 colours because if looked at
>Mind sharing please how you solved this one? I've been battling this
>little problem for almost 2 weeks now, no joy.
startx -- -bpp 16
(16 bit colour)
startx -- -bpp 24
(24 bit
or
from man XF86Config
DefaultColorDepth bpp-number
specifies which color depth the server should use,
when no -bpp command line parameter was given
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: Problem with /dev/ttyS2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 May 1999 20:10:11 -0500
On 12 May 1999 11:57:06 -0500, Andrew Comech wrote:
>On 12 May 1999 01:49:04 -0700, Michael Powe wrote:
>>I'm having a strange problem with /dev/ttyS2, which is my dialout
>>port. After I've boot up, I can't dial out on it because I get
>>"permission denied." The perms are then 644: crw-r--r--. After I
>>change the perms to 666: crw-rw-rw-, I then can dial out. However,
>>the perms keep getting changed back. I did not have this problem
>>until I upgraded to kernel 2.2.7 last week -- that included a complete
>>system upgrade for all subsidiary elements listed in the kernel
>>documentation -- pppd 2.3.7 &c.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>mp
>
>Hi Michael --
>
>Strange that you can not dial out; I have permissions like
>
>crw-r----- 1 root dialout 4, 66 May 12 11:54 /dev/ttyS2
>
>and being personally an active member of dialout group, I can
>dial out on this port..
Perhaps I should have mentioned, -- this works after I also changed
permissions of pppd to
-rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip 105532 Jun 18 1998 /usr/sbin/pppd
^
(With chmod u+s pppd; and my personal account is also in dip group.)
The names of the groups might be Debian-specific.
Best,
a.
--
Looking for a Linux-compatible V.90 modem? See
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Brock)
Subject: What's on the RH6 Applications CD?
Date: 12 May 1999 17:57:40 -0400
$80 for Official Red Hat Linux 6.0 seems a bit steep, so I'm
considering one of their other editions, the $40 Red Hat Linux Core.
The difference between the two is support (don't care), the Getting
Started Guide (should I care?), and the Linux Application CD (???).
So is the Applications CD is worth the extra $40? It would be helpful
if I could get answers to the following questions:
1) Is the Applications CD all stuff from commercial vendors, as Red
Hat's page, http://www.redhat.com/corp/corp_partners_cd.html, would
seem to suggest, or is there GPL'd software on it as well? Can I
assume, for example, that all the contents of contrib.redhat.com are on
the two base CD included in the Core edition?
2) Is everything on the Applications CD freely downloadable (albeit
perhaps on a trial basis), or are there apps that you can't get at all
via the Net?
3) Do you think that royalties for apps on the Application CD
contribute to the high price of the Official edition, or does support
totally account for that?
I will point out that except for the support (which I never really
used) Red Hat Linux Core seems to be the exact equivalent of earlier,
less expensive, Red Hat editions, which just included CDs and an
Installation Guide (and a Boot Floppy... *HEY*, what happened to the
Boot Floppy?!?).
--
John Brock
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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