Linux-Misc Digest #176, Volume #26 Sun, 29 Oct 00 06:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Stock Red Hat 7 kernel compile fails. (repost) (Jeff Workman)
Re: uninstalling... (Tyler Larson)
Re: talking to the printer (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Mutt kills Linus. (Jeff Workman)
Re: Troyan horse discoverd! (Erwin Hogeweg)
Re: install from Network ("Bastian Becker")
Re: uninstalling... (muzh)
RH 7 to RH6.2 - weird NIS error (The Archimage)
Re: RH 7 to RH6.2 - weird NIS error (Lunglet)
Re: a brave new world (Glitch)
Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system? (Glitch)
Re: env var (Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4h=E4ri?=)
Re: Red Hat on Sparc - Questions (Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4h=E4ri?=)
Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system? (Byron A Jeff)
Nameserver IP update ("P. Ekkebus")
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From: Jeff Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stock Red Hat 7 kernel compile fails. (repost)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 02:36:18 -0500
Stoned koala bears drooled eucalyptus spit in awe as Hal Burgiss exclaimed:
> Try a 'make mrproper' first to clean things out. Is this RH kernel
> source, and raw source from kernel.org?
This is the RH kernel source as shipped with RH7.
Jeff
--
"For competitive reasons we can't tell you the location of our fiber."
-- An anonymous representative of a very large telco
"For competitive reasons we can't tell you the location of our backhoe."
-- An anonymous representative of a contractor.
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From: Tyler Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uninstalling...
Date: 29 Oct 2000 07:27:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any way to uninstall a program after make install??
There's 'make uninstall' ...or at least, sometimes there is. It all
depends on the software. Generally, though, uninstalling is simply a matter
of removing the files that were created during install. Linux is very much
not like windows in that sense-- very little clutter. But to be certain,
you'd better read the README (preferably BEFORE installing) because every
software product is different.
--
-Tyler
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Subject: Re: talking to the printer
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:52:49 GMT
Guy-Armand Kamendje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
> I have a postscript capabel printer somewhere in my network sitting at
> xxx.yyy.zzz. I would like to send print commands directly from the
> command line to this printer without having to setup a queue for
> it.Someone told me that using something like gs or the like could do the
> job.
Ghostscript has nothing to do with a network. Using ghostscript, you
could dump to a printer connected to that machine locally, but if it's
a Postscript printer already, then gs is simply redundant. For
printing across a network, the machine with the printer needs to have
a daemon listening on a network port, and the client needs to send the
print job using that port. If you think that LPRng is too complex for
your needs, then try to find the older BSD lpr package. For the
command-line client on the remote machine, rlpr is pretty much
standard and requires almost no configuration. If you have trouble
finding the BSD suite, you might look on one of the search engines for
the source code, not necessarily a Linux distribution.
--
Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mainmatter.com/linux-faq/toc.html http://www.mainmatter.com/
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From: Jeff Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mutt kills Linus.
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:08:48 -0500
Stoned koala bears drooled eucalyptus spit in awe as Jerry L Kreps
proclaimed:
> Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
> > From the subject line, I hope this _isn't_ a story about how a stray dog
> > of unknown breed mauled Linus Torvalds to death ;-)
I was thinking that perhaps a stray MUA had mauled Linus to death.
Jeff
--
"For competitive reasons we can't tell you the location of our fiber."
-- An anonymous representative of a very large telco
"For competitive reasons we can't tell you the location of our backhoe."
-- An anonymous representative of a contractor.
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From: Erwin Hogeweg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troyan horse discoverd!
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:08:07 +0100
Leejay Wu,
> If you're SURE that's a correct e-mail, try forwarding any remaining
> evidence to the folks at Yahoo.
I am sure.
> FWIW, http://www.securityfocus.com has some messages that may
> be relevant; search for 'tornkit'. A message dated 26-Sep-2000
> notes a URL
>
> http://packetstorm.securify.com/UNIX/penetration/rootkits/tk.tgz
Found the info. Thanks for the help.
> Oops. Guess they didn't trojan the shell's filename completion.
> Maybe next version. *snort*
:-)
> Don't forget to check /dev for any unusual entries.
Now THAT is someting I hadn't considered yet. Thanks.
CU Erwin
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From: "Bastian Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: install from Network
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:20:16 +0100
Hello
You are right! I found the via-rhine driver on the second modules disk, and
it works fine with the DFE-530XT.
Thanks
-Bastian
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From: muzh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,hk.comp.os.linux,it.comp.linux,linux.help
Subject: Re: uninstalling...
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:27:23 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Use 'make uninstall' if it exists.
If it doesn't have a look at the Makefile under the target install. This
will tell you what files were installed where (Usually more files than you
thought possible!)
L�W�p�l wrote:
> Is there any way to uninstall a program after make install??
>
--
Never trust a man in a suit
cll
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From: The Archimage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat,redhat.general,redhat.networking.general
Subject: RH 7 to RH6.2 - weird NIS error
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:05:13 -0600
Howdy -
I have a Red Hat 6.2 server (all current patches applied as of about 20
minutes ago) running NIS (ypserv, yppasswdd, and ypbind).
I have a Red Hat 7.0 host (all current patches applied as of about 10
minutes ago) running as an NIS client (ypbind only).
When I log in as a regular user on the RH 7.0 box, all is fine. When I
log in as or su to root, I get the following error:
YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound
However, if I log out as root and then log in as a regular user, NIS is
actually working just fine. It seems to be some sort of informational
message, everything seems to work fine, but it kind of bugs me.
No log file entries at all on the server or the client.
Any ideas what is up with that error?
Thanks
The Archimage
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lunglet)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat,redhat.general,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: RH 7 to RH6.2 - weird NIS error
Date: 29 Oct 2000 09:33:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
You might need to add the following to /etc/sysconfig/network:
NISDOMAIN=<nis domain name>
Check /usr/doc/initscripts-x.xx/* for more information.
Regards,
Albert
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:36:22 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a brave new world
should be normal for a cable modem if u are like me and download movies
however i doubt your provider wil allow it with a regular account. If
they find u they will shut ur account down. You will need to buy a
commerical account probably in order to be allowed to have services
running,which i assume u will.
Paul & Cheryl Schofield wrote:
>
> We are currently developing a business plan for a home based business. The
> plan involves hosting graphical chat servers on a linux system.
>
> Our question is of bandwidth. Initally, we expect to have approxamately 5 gb
> of uploads to the server from customers and as much as 20 gb downloaded from
> the internet per month.
>
> Could anyone tell us the cost associated with this amount of bandwidth using
> a standard cable modem?
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 05:16:53 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system?
Gary Carlson wrote:
>
> I need help in making a decision whether our statewide (several hundred
> users spread out geographically over the entire state) should opt for a
> Linux OS or a Windows OS. I serve on the steering committee for the
> program. We currently use OS/2 as our OS, but intend to migrate off.
> The application software itself is being rewritten in JAVA.
>
> The application is question is the Wisconsin Circuit Court Automation
> Program (CCAP). Local users (for the most part, clerks of court,
> although also judges, registers in probate and others) input data on new
> case filings, court hearings, scheduling calendars, juror information,
> and dispositions. Interfaces with other agencies, such as the district
> attorneys, departments of revenue and transportation, etc., either exist
> or are in the planning stages for the transfer of data. Local data is
> transmitted on a hourly basis to the state capitol in Madison. The
> database is obviously huge. We maintain a website for access to a
> mirror site with the public data on a near statewide basis at
> http://ccap.courts.state.wi.us - the website is averaging 250,000 hits
> per day at last count.
well if u need uptime then go for Linux as we all know the faults of
Windows in this area. Windows will increase the budget and taxpayers
won't like that :)
>
> In addition to the CCAP programming, our users also need an office suite
> for word processing, spreadsheets, etc. Judges have software that
you can use Staroffice or Applixware for an office suite
> enables them to have court reporters provide "realtime" translation of
> court proceedings to their notebooks. Email and internet access
> (Netscape) is available for all users. In local court offices, public
> terminals are made available free for users to access the local county
> database.
>
> Disclaimer:
>
> 1. Please don't let this thread degenerate into an "I hate windows" or
> "I hate linux" mentality. This is a real decision that will have to be
> made and I need real answers based on fact.
> 2. I am a circuit judge in Wisconsin; I am fairly competent on the
> computer but certainly not a programmer; please bear with any perceived
> ignorance on my part. I have read a fair amount of the posts on this NG
> already. If you have questions I can try to answer them.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Some of our users are worried about going to Linux. They fear a
> learning curve exaggerated by the fact that those who own home computers
> are most likely on WinXX and transference of skills will be minimal.
> What do you believe the average computer user (the ones who go to
> BestBuy or Gateway Country to buy a home computer) will experience in a
> shift to Linux?
If they don't know how to use a computer what OS they are using won't
make a differece. Even if they are used to using Windows X windows in
Linux will still allow them to use graphics. Xwindows, or more
appropriately the desktop environment like KDE, will provide a 'start
menu' and in general still has the same premise as any other windows,
whether it is MS windows or Apple. Just because the icons may look
different and the close and minimize buttons may look different
shouldn't freak them out and if it does you have bigger problems. People
neeed to have more flexibility and if they can't work in Xwindows when
it has the same premise as MS Windows they need help.
>
> 2. They are also concerned that going to Linux will create a wall
> between them and other programs perceived to be beneficial that will
> only be available on WinXX. From the state's point of view, this may be
> good because we prohibit the downloading to or loading onto the state
> computers programs other than those provided. What has been your
> experience in the availability of new and exciting programs?
Napster has been made available in Linux as well as Yahoo Messenger and
AOL Instant Messenger. 2 office suites are available. I use AbiWord
for word processing; I dont even bother installing a whole suite but in
your case you may need to. For the most part you can't install
something unless you are root user because you wouldn't have full access
to the system. FOr the sysadmins you have on site they will already
have firewall and masquerading tools available out of the box w/o paying
extra (hundreds extra) if you would be using Win 2k.
>
> 3. Are there WinXX emulators that will allow us to use programs we
> already have, such as the court reporter software (CaseViewII by
> Stenograph) or legal research programs (WestLaw, LOIS), or will going to
> Linux require us to abandon those programs? How difficult are
> workarounds?
depends on how dependent they are of the Windows API. If they are made
with portability in mind you might get lucky and they would work with
Wine running however , and I could be wrong when I say this, VMWARE I
think allows anything that normally runs under Windows to be executed in
Linux, using a virtual machine. VMWare costs around $150 I think.
Worst case scenario you will need to port those programs over to Linux
or if they are closed source and therefore most likely not in-house, you
will need to find another product that is made for Linux.
>
> 4. Is Linux stable enough to be able to handle a network of several
> hundred users, potentially over a thousand in a couple of years, spread
> out over hundreds of miles across Wisconsin (we have 72 counties, 69 of
> which are currently using all or part of CCAP)?
>
I think it is although I have no real world proof other than confessions
of users in these newsgroups. The geographical really makes no
difference as long as the network itself is good enough, such as
dedicated lines.
> 5. Is Linux, in the long run, really cost effective? Moving to Win2000
> would result in a financial hit to our program of $4.4 million
> "initially" and, of course, ties us to Microsoft. But is Linux really
> that robust that it is going to be around into the future, or are we
It's been around since 91 and always getting better. Only in the last
few years has it had commerical backing; before then it was word of
mouth and the Internet that got it going and look where it's at now? As
long as people use it it will never die. Even if companies stopped
selling it like RH or Corel it would keep going as they weren't in
existence in the beginning and Linux did just fine, right?
After your first initial copy, you don't need another one. Buy one copy
and install it on all 1000 PCs or however many you have. There is no
per copy license like there is with MS WIndows so one copy can go onto
unlimited number of computers with no legal issues to worry about. One
copy would cost anywhere from free (by downloading) to say $180 for like
RH Professional version.
> just getting into another IBM OS/2 situation? (BTW, when we first went
> into OS/2 it was because we needed multitasking and Windows--at that
> stage--just didn't cut the mustard--but let's not talk about whether
> going to OS/2 initially was good, bad or ugly.)
I've heard OS/2 died b/c IBM didnt market it. Linux has never been
marketed until recently. You still don't hear it advertised on TV or
radio, only in print. It's being used and backed by corporations now
such as IBM, COREL, and Intel. It use continues to grow and even before
it was advertised in print people still kept using it and started to use
it as newcomers and no marketing was needed.
>
> 6. Have there been Linux compatibility problems with any particular
> hardware, particularly IBM (desktops, notebooks) and Hewlett-Packard
> (printers), that I should be aware of?
winprinters come to mind, winmodems come to mind as well. ANything
proprietary wil obviously have problems. Read the hardware compatiblity
howto at www.linuxdocs.org and you wil see what linux supports. USB is
coming soon, whenever kernel 2.4 is released. Plug n Play is supported
now.
>
> 7. Our techies are encouraging the use of Linux, but admit that going
> to Win2000 would probably make their jobs easier at this point. Their
> concern is more "down the road" and getting tied into Microsoft. Are
> these legitimate concerns?
yeah, you are going to have to worry about licensing and making sure you
pay for the correct number of them for each workstation. As i said
before, you buy a copy of Linux or download it and you are set. If you
have a problem with a workstation have a tech login using HIS
workstation and fix hte problem, as long as it isn't a network
connection of course :) Remote administration of a workstation is a
nice touch that Linux has that as far as I know Windows doesn't have,
maybe NT or win2k(the server versions) but I doubt it. I could be wrong
but I doubt MS really provides that much support for its products, phone
support that is. Of course anyone can goto a website for help. With
Linux you can goto RH for support however there are the newsgroups as u
have already found :) and there are a ton of sites that people have
created to help fellow users better their knowledge of linux in order to
have more fun with it. But as you are going ot be running workstations
as soon as they are up and running you probably won't need too much help
as you wont need to change their configurations too much or install that
much software.
>
> 8. Some members of our steering committee have suggested that moving to
> Linux is okay because even if it doesn't work out for some reason, it
> isn't a big deal to shift over to Win2000 later on. The reason is that
> our application is written in JAVA which, theoretically, is OS
> transparent. But I also have heard the Microsoft has its own version of
> JAVA and I'm concerned about having to rewrite hundreds of lines of code
> to work with MS if that is the ultimate result. Would it be that
> difficult?
Well, u could try linux first for $200 or less and if it doenst work out
go for Win2k. Obviously u woudlnt lose that much money in that aspect by
trying Linux first. Im not sure about the java porting though but i've
heard MS likes to control things that aren't theirs. Reading what you
said again (after reading the restof this article) I'll post a question
to you. Is it really a good idea to support a company that makes *you*
have to rewrite your code just so it works on *their* platform? I'd not
waste my time on it especially considering JAVA is supposed to work, as
u say and as SUN says, on any platform. If you have to rewrite code for
it to work on WIndows then there is a problem don't you think?
>
> 9. Are there other issues that I don't even know about or think about
> that you think I should know before this decision is made? If so,
> please tell me. If you have additional resources that you tick would be
> valuable, please tell me. I've already tracked several other Linux
> newsgroups and read several FAQ.
>
> Finally, if you want to respond directly to me rather than posting to
> the NG, my state email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I hoped I've helped.
Brandon
>
> And further, finally, if this is posted to the wrong NG, tell me what
> the best one is for my answers.
>
> Thank you in advance. I'm sorry for the length of this post but it is
> very important to me to get the right answers.
>
> Gary Carlson, Circuit Judge
> Member: CCAP Steering Committee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4h=E4ri?=)
Subject: Re: env var
Date: 29 Oct 2000 11:24:18 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Clayton Cheung wrote:
>How to set a environmental var so that it is there even after restart? I
>want to set the PATH to include a dir every time I start the computer
>thanks
>
>--
>Posted via CNET Help.com
>http://www.help.com/
Is this only for your user or system wide? If it's for one user, edit
~/.bashrc and add the following line to it:
export PATH=$PATH:/added/path/to/bin/dir
(where "/added/path/to/bin/dir" is the path that you want to add).
Do *not* add the current directory ('.') to your $PATH. Why? Read
section 2.13 of the Unix FAQ at
<URL:http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part2/section-13.html>.
/A
--
Andreas K�h�ri, Uppsala University, Sweden
========================================================================
"If you leave now, you're going to miss the real experience."
-- Richard M. Stallman, Stockholm 1986. Visit www.gnu.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4h=E4ri?=)
Subject: Re: Red Hat on Sparc - Questions
Date: 29 Oct 2000 11:32:21 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jabes123 wrote:
>Well I understand that Red Hat is NOT releasing a version of RH Linux 7.0 for
>SPARC... So I guess I'll just have to stay with my 6.2 version...
>
>My question is this - are there any office suites (or any applications for that
>matter) available for RH Linux running on a Sun SPARC? This seems to be a no
>win situation... I am thinking of wiping out my hard drives and installing
>Solaris and StarOffice and being done with it... This is frustrasting!!!
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>J
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try AbiWord: <URL:http://www.abisource.com/> and
<URL:http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=abiword>. It's
the first part of a new Office Suite for Linux.
As for GNU/Linux on Sparc, I personally recommend Debian GNU/Linux.
/A
--
Andreas K�h�ri, Uppsala University, Sweden
========================================================================
"If you leave now, you're going to miss the real experience."
-- Richard M. Stallman, Stockholm 1986. Visit www.gnu.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Linux vs Windows 2000 for a statewide computer system?
Date: 29 Oct 2000 05:50:06 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just a really small aside...
>I recently found an interesting article on the web -- it is a bit dated
>and technical, but still relevant -- it gives a good idea of the
>pitfalls of building Linux boxes:
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/lj-howtobuild.html
The update to this article is in the current Linux Journal (November 2000).
BAJ
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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:04:44 +0100
From: "P. Ekkebus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Nameserver IP update
Hi
We have a domain with a dynamic ip number.
Our gateway is a router (lrp) and a bind is running
on a internal server.
And we need to change the external ip of the router in the
dns zone files on the server. What is the best way to do this?
--
Groeten,
Piet.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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