Linux-Misc Digest #176, Volume #27 Tue, 20 Feb 01 16:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (chrisv)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
Re: Hard drive space. (Lori Holder-Webb)
Re: Replicate/Clone RH6.2 Linux (Steven Conway)
Re: What is this? (Jean-David Beyer)
fdisk /mbr, install issues ("Jeremy Paiz")
read linux disk from windows ("fred")
Re: read linux disk from windows (Lew Pitcher)
redhat glibc dist - where the heck is posix lib? (billd)
Re: fdisk /mbr, install issues ("ne...")
Re: Supermount for 2.4.1? (David Bell)
HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS? (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: Two Linuces in a box? (Mike Mcclain)
Re: Extracting files from (Mike Mcclain)
Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS? (Juergen Heinzl)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:14:00 -0500
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> On 16 Feb 2001 23:36:41 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>: That's why Materialism is hopelessly flawed. We all know that JFK
> >>>: was shot, but can't repeat the experiment. How do we go about
> >>>: proving a historical event.
> >>>
> >>>WTF does that have to do with materialism?
>
> >> Whether or not JFK was shot or not is a question of history.
> >> The techniques of historians are not the subject of this discussion.
>
> > I though we were disscussing how does a person "know" something?
>
> > Many have claimed that a repeatable experiment is the only way.
>
> > I've given an example of a fact that can not be repeated and can't
> > be proven with the Scientific Method.
>
> Well, we can test your hypothesis. If JFK was not shot, then he must
> have been alive after the event, no? In that case the body buried
> might not have been his. So go and do a dna test. They just did
> it for the russian royal family remains, it should be a doddle for
> jfk.
>
> But there are simpler tests. Just ask lots of people if they saw jfk
> alive after the event. And ask the people who filmed him being
> shot how shot he was. You can also ask his wife how she managed to get
> legal permission to remarry! Whilst these are not conclusive tests,
> they can take the probability of error down to negligable values.
> I think he's dead, with a very high degree of certainty.
Unless the body is at the Heisenberg Institute...
in which case, he might spontaneously re-animate for VERY VERY
brief instances
:-)
>
> Peter
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:23:06 GMT
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Income taxes of ANY sort punish those who WORK, while letting those
>who live off of Grandpa's trust funds (Kennedys, Rockefellers) without
>paying a dime. Replacing Income taxes with Sales taxes reverses
>this situation.
But then the less you earn, the HIGHER PERCENTAGE of your income goes
to taxes.
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From: Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:32:44 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Your missing the point. How do we "know" that a historical event happened?
> We do not miss the point. We know it because we can subject the question
> to test. There are archives and witnesses and things that have been influenced
> by the event in such a way as to make them distinct from the way they would
> have been if the event had not happened. In this case, "the body" is one
> of those things. While we cannot say for certain that the event did or did
> not happen (nor tell whether a human being is or is not really a computer
> with a biological facade), we can become reasonably sure, to most peoples
> satisfaction, that it did.
> For one thing, I remember it - and/or think I do.
Exactly... One can know something without setting up a repeatable
experiment.
Much better, now we have 2 ways to "know" something.
1. The Scientific Method where applicable.
This is good for tests that can be expected show reproducable
Data. Should not be the only requirement to "knowing".
2. The Historic Method... records, independent accounts, witnessess etc.
How about a 3rd... The Legal Method. The old motive, means and oportunity?
> Peter
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- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- http://www.fred.net/surenko/
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From: Lori Holder-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hard drive space.
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:07:08 -0600
John Giddings wrote:
>
> What command do I use to show me available hard drive space from the
> command line?
> Thanks in advance
> John
df -h (unless you want to translate)
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From: Steven Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Replicate/Clone RH6.2 Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:37:54 -0500
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:18:54 -0500, Steven Conway
Thanks Scott, Tim & Jim for your input. But two problems:
1) The workstations are ICL/Fujitsu workstations that are extremely
difficult to access the on board HD controller & indeed have no
additional PCI or ISA Slots (Everything is on the main board).
Compounding the issue is that the workstations are physically secured
into a counter. So to access the drives would be about 1Hr/ea not
including cloning time.
2) I am Habitually a lazy person :). Is there a way that I can make a
image of this PC. store it on a central location on the network,
create a boot disk and have the workstation clone its self from the
image. Or am really just too lazy :)
Steven Conway
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is this?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:48:57 -0500
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Erik de Castro Lopo wrote (in part):
>
> > [snip]
> >>
> >> Rpc.statd is part of NFS and it is really dangerous to have that
> >> open to the internet. It would not be too surprising if your
> >> machine has already been compromised.
> >>
> > Could you clarify this? Since I run NFS, I assume I need to have
> > rpc.statd running. It does not appear in /etc/inetd.conf, so I
> > suppose it is difficult to protect from Internet crackers. But what
> > is especially dangerous about this one compared to something like
> > sendmail or named (bind) that can take measures of their own to
> > protect themselves?
>
> Nothing in particular .. it's just been rather weak against buffer overflow
> exploits lately. I am very happy with mine :-).
>
> You should firewall and hosts.deny it off, though.
My entire hosts.deny contains (other than comments):
ALL : ALL
so that has it off if it looks there.
My hosts.allow does not turn it on except by the
ALL : LOCAL
line.
My inetd.config file has no reference to it, so /usr/sbin/tcpd is
not enforcing anything on it. Does rpc.statd do its own equivalent
of tcpd internally, as a few other programs do?
> That only leaves it
> for those people who are already in to have a go at. Big deal .. if they
> are in and can physically access one machine with nfs as root, they can
> get most places by other means. No statd required. This has always been the
> case, as long as nfs (v2) has been around. It is not an inherently secure
> medium.
>
> Peter
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 2:15pm up 22 days, 22:41, 4 users, load average: 2.01, 2.05,
2.00
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From: "Jeremy Paiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: fdisk /mbr, install issues
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:41:34 -0500
this query is in response to a previous query i had about installing red hat
linux 6.2 in a dual boot environment with windows me. the original problem
arose when i tried to partition /boot because my windows partition exceeded
beyond the 1024 sector. it was suggested that i do the following:
1. run "fdisk /mbr" from dos.
2. install red hat linux 6.2, choose to install lilo over the mbr
3. configure lilo to boot either linux or windows
i just wanted to verify that this sounded correct, or if someone saw a
problem with it. this is my first stab at setting up a dual boot system, so
some of these things are new to me. also, if i have a problem doing the
above, is there a way to recover? i guess what i would like to know is what
exactly does "fdisk /mbr" do, and how does one return to the state prior to
running it?
thanks.
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________________________________________________________________________
JEREMY M PAIZ
Software Engineer
Research & Development Division
Welding Technology Corporation
24775 Crestview Court
Farmington Hills MI 48335-1507
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.weldtechcorp.com
Phone: (248) 477-3900 x3362
Fax: (248) 477-8897
Mobile: (248) 568-1592
"Jeremy Paiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:95p91j$a7k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> okay, so here's my plan: i'm going to configure lilo to boot either
windows
> or linux. in redhat linux 6.2 installation, lilo installation immediately
> follows the partitioning part. i tried partitioning as normal "/",
> "<swap>", "/usr", "/home" and "/var", along with "/boot" (which appeared
in
> red indicating it failed). when i clicked to move ahead to the lilo
> installation, the partitioning dialog froze and i was forced to restart.
> this happened twice more. my question now is: do i skip partitioning
> altogether and proceed with lilo installation? do i leave out the "/boot"
> partition? is there something else i should do?
>
> --
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> JEREMY M PAIZ
> Software Engineer
> Research & Development Division
>
> Welding Technology Corporation
> 24775 Crestview Court
> Farmington Hills MI 48335-1507
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web: http://www.weldtechcorp.com
> Phone: (248) 477-3900 x3362
> Fax: (248) 477-8897
> Mobile: (248) 568-1592
>
>
>
>
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From: "fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: read linux disk from windows
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:50:30 GMT
hello,
how can i read my linux disk partitions from windows ?
thanks
fredo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: read linux disk from windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:10:02 GMT
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:50:30 GMT, "fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hello,
>how can i read my linux disk partitions from windows ?
>thanks
I've successfully used Explore2fs (found at
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm)
Freshmeat also lists FSDEXT2 (found at
http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk/), but I've never used it.
Lew Pitcher
Information Technology Consultant
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: billd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: redhat glibc dist - where the heck is posix lib?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:08:33 +0000
Hi,
I posted this a while ago, someone answered but the
messages had gone stale on my news server so I didn't
get to see it and I'm stil curious.. I'd appreciate if you
could copy my email if you know the answer...
I was trying to build the latest version of perl on
my redhat i386 7.0 system. I had applied all the latest
security updates to it and when I tried to configure perl,
it said it couldn't fine libposix and that I had a big problem
I searched around for it and found it under
/usr/i386-gibc21-linux/lib
copied it into /usr/lib
and then the perl build was happy... but I am unclear what
this dir tree is for??? When I applied the RedHat security
updates, it did update my glibc to 2.2-12... I am no expert about how
rpm really works, so I'm not sure if this is left over from the
old version of glibc or what, but then why isn't libposix with the
new version? I though posix was kinda central to the whole thing...
Any insight into this would be appreciated...
Thanks
Bill
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fdisk /mbr, install issues
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:27:42 GMT
On Feb 20, 2001 at 14:41, Jeremy Paiz eloquently wrote:
>this query is in response to a previous query i had about installing red hat
>linux 6.2 in a dual boot environment with windows me. the original problem
>arose when i tried to partition /boot because my windows partition exceeded
>beyond the 1024 sector. it was suggested that i do the following:
>
> 1. run "fdisk /mbr" from dos.
> 2. install red hat linux 6.2, choose to install lilo over the mbr
> 3. configure lilo to boot either linux or windows
>
>i just wanted to verify that this sounded correct, or if someone saw a
>problem with it. this is my first stab at setting up a dual boot system, so
>some of these things are new to me. also, if i have a problem doing the
>above, is there a way to recover? i guess what i would like to know is what
>exactly does "fdisk /mbr" do, and how does one return to the state prior to
>running it?
fdisk /mbr will install the windows boot stuff to the mbr.
If you need a dual boot machine, I advise getting a second
drive and dedicating that to Linux. This assumes the machine
comes with windows installed first. It is easier to install
windows first, then any of Linnux/*BSD next.
[...]
--
Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org)
Ring around the collar.
3:21pm up 15 days, 17:56, 3 users, load average: 0.14, 0.08, 0.22
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Bell)
Date: 20 Feb 2001 20:29:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Supermount for 2.4.1?
>You must wait..
>or you can try applying the patch to the 2.4.0 kernel, then apply the 2.4.1
>patch..
Never thought about that.. Thanks!
=========================
David Bell - Otherwise known as DB7654321
Remember to remove nospam, notrash or anything odd looking from my email
address. :)
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:53:50 -0500
I was trying to install a new version of vixie-cron using rpm, and
it just locked up. Here is its entry in the top listing:
PID USER PRI NI PAGEIN SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM CTIME
COMMAND
14897 root 0 0 222 1024 1024 640 D 0.0 0.1 0:00
rpm -Fvh vixie-cron-3.0.1-40.1.i386.rpm
The D in the STAT column means that an ordinary kill -9 14897 will
not work until the process completes some IO operation that
obviously will never complete. I know I could reboot my entire
system to get over this, but there must be a better way. I cannot
install this RPM (or even run rpm at all) because it cannot create a
shared lock (or something like that). I assume that rpm has set up
an exclusive lock on its database and nothing will break loose that
lock until that process does an exit.
So how to I get it off without rebooting?
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 3:50pm up 23 days, 16 min, 4 users, load average: 3.04, 2.96,
2.55
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Mcclain)
Subject: Re: Two Linuces in a box?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:04:14 GMT
Howdy Ana,
Yes I can say from experience it works fine. You can
also install FreeBSD and Solaris x86 if you want. They both
want primary partitions on the first drive but linux runs
fine from an extended partition or second or third drive.
If you have a big drive ( >8GB ) you will have to put the
kernel low enough to be read by BIOS. I only share swap
here but have seen others say sharing /home gives no trouble.
I've seen others say sharing /usr or /usr/local will work but
suspect you'll need to keep the libs on the different
installations in sync or programs in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin
compiled on one system will fail when run from another.
Have fun,
MiKe
-=> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to ALL <=-
AL> Hello,
AL> Does anyone know whether it is possible to have
AL> two Linuces (or more :-)) installed in one computer?
AL> I am just sick and tired of RH7.0 and I would like
AL> to try something else.
AL> TIA,
AL> Ana
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Mcclain)
Subject: Re: Extracting files from
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:04:14 GMT
Howdy Bastian,
I'm not sure but believe mc uses a virtual file system.
If you just want to look, by all means use mc. Put the cursor
on the rpm and hit enter. Bang you're inside the rpm and it
looks like a normal directory tree, traverse it and read to
your hearts content. When you see something you want, copy
it out.
Have fun,
Mike
-=> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to ALL <=-
BA> fred smith wrote:
> : Does anybody know of a way to just extract individual files from rpm's?
> : I want to look at some of the files, but I don't want to install the rpm
> : to do it.
> Midnight Commander (mc) will do it.
BA> How does mc do it? Does it use rpm or own code?
BA> If it uses RPM, it must be possible to extract a single file from an
BA> rpm on the command line.
BA> --
BA> Bastian Voigt
BA> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: HOW DO I KILL THIS PROCESS?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:08:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>I was trying to install a new version of vixie-cron using rpm, and
>it just locked up. Here is its entry in the top listing:
> PID USER PRI NI PAGEIN SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM CTIME
>COMMAND
>14897 root 0 0 222 1024 1024 640 D 0.0 0.1 0:00
>rpm -Fvh vixie-cron-3.0.1-40.1.i386.rpm
>
>The D in the STAT column means that an ordinary kill -9 14897 will
>not work until the process completes some IO operation that
>obviously will never complete. I know I could reboot my entire
>system to get over this, but there must be a better way. I cannot
>install this RPM (or even run rpm at all) because it cannot create a
>shared lock (or something like that). I assume that rpm has set up
>an exclusive lock on its database and nothing will break loose that
>lock until that process does an exit.
>
>So how to I get it off without rebooting?
[-]
You can't .. end of story,
Juergen
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