Linux-Misc Digest #185, Volume #20 Thu, 13 May 99 12:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Strange password problem (Rob Fisher)
Re: installation with win95 n linux ("Kenan KILICTEPE")
Re: installation with win95 n linux (G-man)
Re: speech synthesizer for linux? (Andrea Fuller)
command schedular ("Jort Verhoeven")
Re: display flickers nonstop (Steffen Kluge)
Re: Telnet to WINE/Linux App Server Running Office97 (Mark Tranchant)
Re: Please help me configure Netscape "Helpers" (Mark McCoy)
Installing an RPM on Turbo Linux (medelinux)
Re: *.tgz ("Jort Verhoeven")
Re: RedHat price... (Jim Henderson)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RoadRunner (cable modem) in Linux? ("Anthony J. Gabrielson")
Re: USB Support ("Anthony J. Gabrielson")
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
WAV file editing/filtering under Linux? (Stewart Charnell)
Re: Linux finally (and Fixed) Thanks Gerald (Brad)
China: angry at US's bullying attempts (Igor)
Printer Help Please (Brad)
Pdf tools in Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Peter Seebach)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: 'Find'. what a strange command ("D. Vrabel")
'Find'. what a strange command (Brad)
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From: Rob Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Strange password problem
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:05:56 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I am running RH5.2 and when I log on to the OS I have noticed that
> as long as I type the correct password everthing is OK. When I type the
> password plus additional characters, it also is accepted.
>
> For example, if my password is 'simple' , I can also type
> 'simple12345' or 'simpleabcd' or any other string as long as my password
> is the first set of characters. Is this normal ?
How long is your passwd? Unix only uses the first eight characters of
the passwd, so the ninth letter onward are igonred. Does that explain
it? If not then I don't see what it could be.
Rob
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From: "Kenan KILICTEPE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: installation with win95 n linux
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:14:52 +0300
If you use disk Druid you lose your datas on your hdd. If ok i can help. if
you dont want to lose your datas use something else partion magic or partion
comander vb.
Bye
Jemas wrote in message <7hegfd$e7l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I'm new to linux, i just got rh5.2 and i want to install it onto my current
>Win95 OS harddisk. When ever i run the set up straight from the rh5.2 CD,
>i'm alway stuck somewhere in the partition of my harddisk. How can i mount
>the drive, How can i partition with Disk Druid and how do partition the
>necessary drive and how to set a root drive.
>
>Thank a lot for the help.
>
>
>
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
From: G-man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installation with win95 n linux
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:18:11 GMT
Instead of using Disk Druid, try using Fdisk to partition your drive. If you
have only one large hd, you can defrag it and run FIPS (located on your RH5.2
CD) to cut it into smaller partitions without losing data.
Then name one of your new partition as root (/) as a mount point and then
continue from there.
Good Luck.
Jemas wrote:
> I'm new to linux, i just got rh5.2 and i want to install it onto my current
> Win95 OS harddisk. When ever i run the set up straight from the rh5.2 CD,
> i'm alway stuck somewhere in the partition of my harddisk. How can i mount
> the drive, How can i partition with Disk Druid and how do partition the
> necessary drive and how to set a root drive.
>
> Thank a lot for the help.
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From: Andrea Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.speech,comp.speech.users
Subject: Re: speech synthesizer for linux?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:21:44 +0100
The beta ViaVoice for Linux can be downloaded from
http://www.software.ibm.com/is/voicetype/dev_linux.html . The download is
near the bottom of the page and there is also information on how to get
technical support. Dive right in!
Cheers,
Andrea
Jonathan Epstein wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Does some know a good, understandable speech synthesizer that runs
> > under Linux? A free one is even better, but first and foremost it must
> > work. ;-)
>
> I was going to suggest looking at the new ViaVoice for Linux, but
> apparently they haven't yet bundled the speech synthesis portion of
> ViaVoice into the Linux project.
>
> >
> > Also, does someone know a speech synth that can speak formulas (even if
> > it runs under Windows)?
>
> Aster, by the author of emacsspeak, is likely to be your best bet
> (Unix-only, I believe).
> http://cs.cornell.edu/home/raman/aster/demo.html
>
> Good luck,
>
> - Jonathan
--
Andrea Fuller
MQSeries for MVS/ESA Development
IBM Hursley, England
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From: "Jort Verhoeven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: command schedular
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:00:38 +0200
Hello,
I am looking for a freeware command scheduling program for linux, like, for
instance, Tivoli Maestro.
Is there anyone with suggestions??
Thank you
Jort Verhoeven
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffen Kluge)
Subject: Re: display flickers nonstop
Date: 13 May 1999 14:14:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7hc6un$8hc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
david letchumanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi there, I am one of the newbie to Linux and to this site. We have a
>Linux PC sitting in a courner as a printserver. We swapped the monitor
>without any changing any configuration. It was ok for monre than two
>months. Yesterday I did a shutdown now -r on it. It has configured to
>start xwindows. It came back upto starting xdm and the display flickers
>nonstop. We are unable to do anything to stop this. "Ctrl+Alt+F1" did not
>help.
Sounds like something in your system changed since the last
reboot that keeps X from starting.
>We are running s.u.s.e Linux 5.1. We have no boot disk. We need
>help getting into the system. PC is running and the printing is fine.
>Just the flickering display. Please help!
The system is probably fine, it's just the console that is
practically inaccessible due to X constantly trying to startup.
If the box is networked you can telnet to it and change
/etc/inittab to stop respawning xdm, or do telinit 3 or
something like this.
If the machine is not networked and the console is all you have,
bring it down with Ctrl-Alt-Del and reboot with "linux single"
at the LILO prompt. The system will then come up to runlevel 1
and you can investigate/fix from there.
The first thing to look at would be xdm's error log...
Hope this helps
Steffen.
--
Steffen Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fujitsu Australia Ltd
Keywords: photography, Mozart, UNIX, Islay Malt, dark skies
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Telnet to WINE/Linux App Server Running Office97
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:21:00 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tantalizingly almost, for a "savvy" user. This should really be on
comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine.
Mark.
Martijn Kruithof wrote:
>
> "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" wrote:
>
> > Try http://www.vmware.com
> >
> > Brian Eckrose wrote:
> >
> > > Is it possible to run Office97 on a Linux/WINE application server from a
> > > remote system via a telnet session (with X display exported)?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
>
> Is it possible to run Office 97 on a Linux/Wine platform?
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From: Mark McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please help me configure Netscape "Helpers"
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:26:53 -0500
"Christopher R. Carlen" wrote:
>
> I had this working once before, now it's all screwed up. Lets start
> with .pdf
>
> I have in the "Helpers" dialog box the entry:
>
> Type: application/pdf
> Suffix: .pdf
> Handle by: (Application) acrobat
>
> Now when I click on a .pdf link, I see some sort of downloading action,
> then acrobat gets started, but the .pdf doesn't show up. It gets lost
> somewhere.
>
> Anyone know how to fix this?
>
> Later, I will get into the matter of what happens when I try to download
> .tgz files. They seem to want to get displayed in the browser, no
> matter what I enter into the "Helpers" options.
> --
> _____________________________
> Christopher R. Carlen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <-- Remove "bogus_field" to reply !!!
> My OS is Linux 2.0.29
try "acrobat %s"
the %s gets replaced by the filename that gets downloaded
--
Mark McCoy -- Proud to run Linux since February 1996
Systems Administrator - Cajun Brothers Technology, llc
The views in this message do not necessarily reflect the views of my
employer
This message posted from snowdog, a 100% MS-free machine.
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From: medelinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing an RPM on Turbo Linux
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:06:15 GMT
Turbo Linux 3.0.1 has a problem with the turbonetcfg program that does
not permit you to configure IP-Aliasing correctly. The pht web site
says to download a new version of turbonetcfg and to install it. Does
anyone out there know the correct RPM syntax to get this to work? I get
to the point where turbopkg will UNINSTALL the package but will neither
update it or install the new one.
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From: "Jort Verhoeven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *.tgz
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:56:59 +0200
gzip -cd <filename> | tar xvf -
Nevyn wrote in message <7hcols$r3r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>very simple question i know but how do i uncompresscompleatly a tgz
>file....i used gunzip(?) an it made a tar file that i can nothing
>with...what do i do next?.....if anyones willing to help..mail me an answer
>@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: Jim Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat price...
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:36:53 -0600
Considering that I just spent a few days downloading the entire
distribution from the redhat mirrors and didn't spend a penny (other
than the connect time from work), seems to me the price is still about
right. My cost was *free*.
All the support I seem to need is in these newsgroups, and what I don't
find help on, I peruse source code and script files. I'm no genius on
script files, but it's a great learning experience.
Jim
--
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Novell Support Connection SysOp - http://support.novell.com/forums
Homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~jhenderson (email instructions
located here)
Please note that as an NSC SysOp, I do not provide support for Novell
products on a personal basis - if you need help with a Novell product,
please post a reply in the public newsgroup or visit the Novell support
forums at the URL above.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:54:40 GMT
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
: Hate to disagree with you there but Ports blows donkey chunks compared to
: a decent packaging systen. So far I've had minimal problems with my
: Debian system.
And the problems you've had with ports are what, exactly?
: Meanwhile I've seen FreeBSD systems that need to be upgraded so they can
: compile software they *NEED* to run yet the admins leave it alone because
: upgrading is too damned hard.
Upgrading the system, or user apps?
If it's the system, what's so hard about sysinstall->Upgrade?
-Which, BTW, has *nothing* to do with ports.
If it's a user app, what's so hard about cd /usr/ports/foo && make
install? This is "too damned hard" how, exactly?
: Ports, IMHO, is a joke compared to a good packaging system. A big, fat,
: joke.
But you haven't said *why*. Until you do, you're nothing but
baseless FUD.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
My code is filled with comments! It's just that my comments are
written in Perl.
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From: "Anthony J. Gabrielson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RoadRunner (cable modem) in Linux?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:41:42 -0400
It's just like configuring ethernet with dhcp (although I've never used
the mac port) I've done it with linux many times. Just make sure your
ethernet card is supported.
Anthony
On Wed, 12 May 1999, Joe Strout wrote:
> I'm thinking of switching my home machine entirely from MacOS to
> LinuxPPC, after Apple kicked me in the teeth this week. There's one
> potential show-stopper: the cable modem. The computer's practically
> useless to me if I can't access the net.
>
> Does anybody know whether it's possible to use a cable modem
> (specifically, the Time-Warner RoadRunner service) from linux?
>
> Many thanks,
> -- Joe
>
> --
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> | Joseph J. Strout Biocomputing -- The Salk Institute |
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From: "Anthony J. Gabrielson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: USB Support
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:47:32 -0400
I heard the new kernel 2.2.8 already has minimal support for usb.
Anthony
On Thu, 13 May 1999, Chris wrote:
> First off, please excuse my ignorance, it is about to become apparent.
>
> I would like to have an option to boot my very expensive (!) laptop into
> Linux which could house a mirror of my server configuration.
>
> PCMCIA is OK I believe, etc..
>
> However I have invested in USB peripherals, (Primarily zip/mouse) for use
> with the machine.
>
> WIll an incantation of Linux be able to address this port sometime. Or is
> the architecture such that Linux will very likely not support USB for a long
> time to come?
>
> I can certainly survive, my interest is as much curiosity as necessity.
>
> --
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:06:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:
:> Perl 5.00502 currently resides in /usr/bin of recent FreeBSD
:> releases.
:
: I just checked my 3.1 box, and you are indeed correct.
: Anyone in cubfm know why this was done? It seems a bit premature to me.
Actually it's very long overdue...
:> Use of perl4 on FreeBSD for so long had nothing to do with language
:> stability at all.
:
: Hmm? Why was it done, then?
Quite simply, no one had found the time yet to make perl5 build
under Berkeley make ala "make world". For awhile it was simply
easier to maintain perl4 (yes, they did do non-standard patches to
it since the perl team had stopped) then to get perl5 to fit.
:> > Then, if it's a common dependency, it's reasonable to stick it in
:> > /usr/bin.
:
:> That does not follow.
:
: Why not? How else do you define "system" packages?
System components are ones that the core system requires for
standard operation.
: I consider them to be precisely those packages which are used [and
: expected to be there -- WITH standard features] by other standard system
: components.
I misunderstood you, or rather over-understood. :-) "common
dependency" is a pretty vage term.
I've got no less then 20 different packages that depend on libjpeg
(Which I only can tell because I use the package database:-), but I
still wouldn't call it a system component. :-)
: perl is in usr/bin because so many other parts of the system depend upon
: /it, and not for any other reason.
Yes. This is however, only the case on FreeBSD and maybe Linux.
Solaris has no need for perl and thus has no perl in /usr/bin.
>snip<
:> > Think of it this way: /usr/local is for things that are still
:> > changing
:
:> Like, umm, the operating system?
:
: Darnit, can't you just read what I mean instead of what I write? :)
: Fine, think of it THIS way: /usr/local is for things that are still
: changing _relative_to_the_OS_.
Hmm, joe hasn't moved past version 2.8 in almost four years. Should
it be installed in /usr? :-)
: If it's likely to change before you upgrade your system, it definitely
: doesn't belong in /usr.
Like CVS that's been at 1.10 for some time, but FreeBSD still ships
with 1.9.26? :-)
: Certainly there are exceptions [freebsd.org's decision to put perl5 in
: /usr/bin will, regrettably, create many more than usual][okay, okay, I'll
: shut up about perl already], but it's still a reasonable rule of thumb.
:-)
:> Perl's existence in /usr/bin has nothing to do with installation scripts
:> what so ever and everything to do with the fact that many other system
:> components are built with it:
:
: Umm... since when is "building system components" not a part of the
: installation process?
Since *BSD started shipping binary installs/upgrades. :-)
But anyway, by "built with it" I really meant "written in it". Many
system apps are written in perl and thus perl must be around since
compiled perl isn't a valid option.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
My code is filled with comments! It's just that my comments are
written in Perl.
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From: Stewart Charnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WAV file editing/filtering under Linux?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:09:24 +0100
I would like to transfer audio from cassette tapes to CDs and
would like to filter out the background noise/hiss. Are there
any Linux programs which can edit and/or filter WAV files? I
am looking for Linux equivalents for Windows programs such as
CoolEdit.
-
Stewart Charnell
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From: Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux finally (and Fixed) Thanks Gerald
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:28:21 +1000
Alex Kaufman wrote:
> > It took me a while to get X to start up in anything but 256 colors. But
> > hours of reading man pages and trial n error and I'm in 24bit colour.
> > I'm pretty sure that I am in more than 256 colours because if looked at
>
> Mind sharing please how you solved this one? I've been battling this
> little problem for almost 2 weeks now, no joy.
Geralds reply worked. I was in 24bit colour. I got into the XF86Config file
and changed it to start it 32bit colour and it worked. I also had the same
problem with Word Perfect but didn't mention it in my original post as I
figured it was the same problem.
Thanks everyone
Brad
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:10:49 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor)
Crossposted-To:
soc.culture.french,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.college,soc.culture.china,nyc.general,soc.singles
Subject: China: angry at US's bullying attempts
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A natural consequence of the US aggression against Yugoslavia...
Soon America will be surrounded by the world of enemies... Spending
billions on "defence" projects that we would not need in the first
place had we not messed around. All because of power hungry liars like
Bill Clinton and the rest of the US establishment...
igor
South China Morning Post
Beijing vows to beat back
Nato
WILLY WO-LAP LAM
Beijing is to abandon Deng Xiaoping's low-profile
foreign policy to beat back the challenges of a
fast-expanding Washington-led Nato.
The rethink came about since the bombing of the
Belgrade Embassy, when leading Politburo members
and their advisers discussed how to counter what they
regarded as a deliberate trampling of Chinese
sovereignty.
"The Politburo Standing Committee has decided that if
the Washington-led Nato has its way in Europe, it will
next target China," a diplomatic source in Beijing said.
"The elite body has endorsed a number of measures to
seize the initiative through asserting itself in foreign
policy."
Among the recommendations given preliminary
approval are:
Playing a more aggressive role in the United Nations.
Sensing that President Bill Clinton is considering using
a UN-backed peace plan as a face-saving measure to
retreat partially from Yugoslavia, Beijing has insisted
Nato ends air strikes before endorsing the scheme.
But should a UN peace-keeping force that meets
Beijing's approval be formed, the Jiang leadership has
signalled its willingness to dispatch PLA officers.
Analysts said this was a rare gesture of commitment
given Beijing's traditional reluctance to join international
peace-keeping efforts.
Developing a world-class arsenal, particularly missiles,
to counter the "Nato military machine". Beijing has
served notice on the US that unless Nato reins in its
aggressive tendencies, it will delay ratification of the
Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. Diplomats said
Chinese strategists had engaged in vague talk about the
resumption of an active nuclear development
programme.
Forming a potential anti-Nato alliance. Beijing is
working with Moscow to ensure the "multi-polar
nature" of the new world order. Further
"anti-hegemonistic" plans are to be worked out in a
November summit between President Jiang Zemin and
President Boris Yeltsin.
A Western diplomat said Beijing had made veiled
threats about resuming or upgrading "nuclear
co-operation" with Iran and Pakistan.
Serving warning on America's Asian allies not to abet a
Nato-initiated anti-China containment policy. It is
understood Beijing recently warned Japan not to
provide a launch pad for US or Nato weaponry should
the alliance target China.
A Chinese source said Mr Jiang, who is de facto
diplomat-in-chief, had, in effect, jettisoned Deng's
well-known dictum.
In the wake of the post-Tiananmen Square embargoes,
the late patriarch said that in foreign policy: "China will
keep a low profile, maintain a cool head, and never
take the lead."
The source said the outburst of anti-Nato feelings since
the embassy bombing had put pressure on Beijing.
"National People's Congress deputies and students
have written to the leadership asking why China always
abstains in the UN Security Council," the source said.
"In internal talks, Politburo members expressed the
fear that the students would next stage protests against
a 'weak central Government' unless Beijing counters
threats to national security."
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From: Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Printer Help Please
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:01:11 +1000
I want to get my Epson 640 printer working under Linux. I am not asking
how to do it. What I am asking is 'what do I read?'.
I know nothing about setting up a printer under LInux and there are tons
of man pages, info, etc etc. I dont know where to start. Could someone
suggest what I shoud read and in what order I should read it.
Thanks.
Brad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pdf tools in Linux
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:29:38 GMT
I would like to know if there are some tools for creating pdf files in
Linux. I know that are programs that can transform Postscript into pdf
but I am looking for something more (how do I create a pdf that has web
links in it?).
Sergiu
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:12:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yeah, a libertarian is a person who fancies himself genetically and
>morally superior to the rest of the human race. He spouts a line of
>political pseudo-philosophy that incorporates the word `freedom' in
>every sentence & that is all designed to justify his own position at
>the top of the ant hill.
Uh, no. You don't know. You're taking a word and applying it to a group
of people, but they aren't otherwise related.
-s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Carol)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:59:23 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nothing wrong with my memory. My contention is simply that if you set
> up a linux box for your mother the way her Windoze box was set up, she
> would have no more problem learning how to use it than she did
> learning the 'doze box. And she'd have the advantage of never having
> to deal with broken video drivers, illegal ops or BSOD.
Is this serious?
As much as I dispise Windows, I'd really hate to have to help my Mom
through root, permission, /etc, fdisk, etc.
Most of the Windows users I know just plugged their machine in and it
worked. Their biggest trouble comes with trying to add peripherals.
Windows makes that pretty hard, plug n play is a joke today. But
their systems work. They surf, they play games, they are generally
happy. The system rarely crashes if that's all they ask out of it.
They could be just as happy if they had a Free OS which was completly
GUI in nature and had as large a wealth of Free GUI software to run.
When that happens I'll be sure to get them to switch.
I see the Free GUI OS coming, but todays offerings on top of Linux
are very immature and are no improvement over Windows. They are
too contstricting for the power user to work within, and to little
for the beginer.
Oh well.....
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Andrew Carol [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'Find'. what a strange command
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:08:42 +0100
On Fri, 14 May 1999, Brad wrote:
> I was trying to find where netscape is installed on my newly installed
> Linux setup. I figured there must be a 'find' command and I wasn't
> dissapointed. I typed 'man find' and had a read.
> There was the traditional user friendly syntax guide.......
>
> find [path....] [expression]
>
> so I typed
>
> find / netscape
No it looked for all files from / upwards and from ./netscape upwards...
use find / -name netscape
You need to tell find what criteria to select from.
Or use
locate netscape
(provided it is installed and the locate database has been updated.)
Or use
which netscape
to find the path where netscape is installed.
> As the man pages poorly written man pages have no examples, I figured
> that this would search from the root and show me all the occurences of
> 'netscape' on my machine.
> Wrong. This, for a reason I hope someone can explain, listed, I think,
> every file on my machine.
>
> I got around the problem by typing 'find / netscape >> find.txt' and
> then using the wonderful grep command to display all the lines with
> 'netscape' in them. Exactly what 'find' should have done in the first
> place.
David
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David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 'Find'. what a strange command
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:39:42 +1000
I was trying to find where netscape is installed on my newly installed
Linux setup. I figured there must be a 'find' command and I wasn't
dissapointed. I typed 'man find' and had a read.
There was the traditional user friendly syntax guide.......
find [path....] [expression]
so I typed
find / netscape
As the man pages poorly written man pages have no examples, I figured
that this would search from the root and show me all the occurences of
'netscape' on my machine.
Wrong. This, for a reason I hope someone can explain, listed, I think,
every file on my machine.
I got around the problem by typing 'find / netscape >> find.txt' and
then using the wonderful grep command to display all the lines with
'netscape' in them. Exactly what 'find' should have done in the first
place.
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