Linux-Misc Digest #219, Volume #20 Sat, 15 May 99 20:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: CD-R as backup device (jik-)
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Bash Question ("J�rgen Exner")
Odd problem with mpg123 (Chris Wilson)
silly windows ("Nevyn")
Re: Trouble connecting to ISP using PPP (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: Ken Thompson on Linux (Bob Hauck)
Re: good, free ORB w/ C++ & Java lang support (Jim Nicholson)
Re: making linux go away (Chris Lee)
Re: silly windows (Juergen Heinzl)
Non-Destructive ext2 repartitioning (mike)
G-N-O-M-E as default instead of Fvwm ("Itzik S.")
Re: Logger and syslog (Juergen Heinzl)
Need help setting up system. ("theoddone33")
printing problem (Edouard Oyer)
Re: making linux go away (Hubertus A. Haniel)
Re: Odd problem with mpg123 (Chris Wilson)
Re: good, free ORB w/ C++ & Java lang support (Andy Piper)
Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc) ("Charles Sullivan")
Changed Audio permissions after kernel upgrade (mike)
Re: Odd problem with mpg123 (Chris Wilson)
SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot: ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LS-120 (Rex Basham)
Re: silly windows (brian moore)
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:58:03 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD-R as backup device
Cees de Groot wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I've got one of those too and I do multi-session backups.
>
> Multi-session backups are quite expensive in terms of space overhead on
> the disk, so I'm investigating the packet writing mode of cdrecord. I
> don't know whether it is possible, but something like writing small
> ext2fs images in packet mode without closing the disk would be very
> useful for incremental backups (pending full UDF support).
How do you read these disks once they are written in packet mode?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: 15 May 1999 20:19:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scott Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 14 May 1999 09:58:00 +0930, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>It is because of a strong swing to graphical operating systems that the UNIX
>>man pages are both unfamiliar and difficult for novice users to understand,
>>not because they were poorly written."
>
>I'm not an expert, but I'll comment.
>
>I don't think the trouble is caused by users coming from a GUI, but
>from users having poor reading abilities. Perhaps GUIs don't encourage
>good reading skills. But many man pages are pretty clear, provided you
>are willing to read carefully and look up cross-references.
>
>One of the biggest irritations is users who refuse to read. There is a
>quote on a tech support humor page that goes like this:
Man pages are also *not* tutorials, but are intended to be technical
reference manuals. It does happen that most people just do not like
reading tech manuals, and of course some types (techie nerdo types!)
do. Different strokes for different folks.
Floyd
--
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bash Question
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:51:03 -0700
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On my Linux machine I do "bash -version" from the
> command line 5 times.
[...]
>What is going on here? Why should doing "bash -version"
>fork a new shell for me?
Because that's the way UNIX works.
Whenever you enter a command a new process is created by the shell and your
command will be executed in this new process.
jue
--
J�rgen Exner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Wilson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Odd problem with mpg123
Date: 15 May 1999 21:23:53 GMT
The application mpg123 plays tracks fine, but only until I stop the player.
After the player stops, I can't restart it until I reboot the system. It
doesn't give me an error message -- the application actually indicates that
it's playing the track, although it isn't. No sound is coming out. And I
know that my volume is high enough because I got sound before stopping the
application.
I'm running the RH6.0 distribution of Linux, in case it matters.
Any ideas on how to combat this problem?
Please CC.
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From: "Nevyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: silly windows
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:26:10 +0100
k.....i'll elaborate.....i get these commands are in all operating
systems.....but y do they us the same syntex....eg postfixes in ftp are
'-'[unix] not '/' like in other windows things......how come, i would have
thought that the operating system would use there own all the time, or the
standar all the time so not to confuze poor users....or am i just an
idealistic youth?
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Trouble connecting to ISP using PPP
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:06:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron and Lisa Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem seems to have something to do with PAP
> authentication.
Did you edit your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file ?
Is it filled with your login-name and password ?
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: Ken Thompson on Linux
Date: 13 May 1999 12:12:09 -0600
Rob Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> .... I've been offered contracts with _other_ ISPs though who have
> been moving an awful lot of stuff from Linux to Sun.
It could be that they are growing and need more horsepower. Migrating
off of PC's gives them greater scaleability. This is an advantage of
starting with Linux or FreeBSD...you can scale up to non-PC hardware
much easier.
--
11:30:00 up 79 days, 50 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: good, free ORB w/ C++ & Java lang support
From: Jim Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 May 1999 23:02:01 +0100
Salman Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am looking to learn CORBA, and want to know if someone
> can recommend to me a good, free implementation of
> CORBA for Linux (RedHat 5.2 w/ kernel 2.0.36).
>
Have a look at ORBacus (formerly OmniBroker) at http://www.ooc.com/
> I intend to write CORBA apps in both C++ and Java, and
> won't be using any of the advanced features of the CORBA
> spec.
>
ORBacus comes with the Naming, Event and Property Services.
If you want a Trader Service, you can use JTrader (I think from
www.intellisoft.com), a couple of tweaks are needed to get it to
compile with ORBacus 3.1.2, I have the diffs if you're interested.
> Also, what is the recommended JDK for Linux ? I know that
> Blackdown's JDK is pretty highly recommended. Are there
> any other good Java implementations for Linux ?
>
I'm using Blackdown's port of JDK 1.1.7, I don't know of any others.
Jim
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From: Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:43:00 -0700
Umm... I hate to tell you this, Scott, but lots of companies now are running
linux-only businesses... and a LOT of the major apps that business corporations
use are being ported to linux. EG: Oracle, DB2, Corel WordPerfect (just because
it helps with end-user productivity) StarOffice (which can read and write to M$
formats) and in the event that there ISN'T the type of program that you're
looking for under linux, there is almost a guarantee that there's at least a
win3.1 version. In that case it's a simple matter to install Wabi and/or use
Wine to run the "Windows-Only" apps that businesses need. Also.... IMHO
businesses that are smaller should be using linux simple because of the low
overhead and cost of running a linux-only business. And why does asking "why do
you want to remove linux?" make someone a freak? If somebody asks "Why do you
want to remove Windows?" do you think that they are a freak? Just a bit to
think about.... no hard feelings.
Scott L wrote:
> maybe to actually run 90% of the applications he needs to that wont run on
> Linux ? its remarks like this one below that gives linux users the name of
> freaks - get a grip would you - theres no way to run a linux only business
> environment unless you use very FEW apps
> THEVENIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:05:59 GMT
In article <7hkp25$o9g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nevyn wrote:
>k.....i'll elaborate.....i get these commands are in all operating
>systems.....but y do they us the same syntex....eg postfixes in ftp are
>'-'[unix] not '/' like in other windows things......how come, i would have
>thought that the operating system would use there own all the time, or the
>standar all the time so not to confuze poor users....or am i just an
>idealistic youth?
are you smoking something or am I just to old to understand your problem
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Non-Destructive ext2 repartitioning
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:03:26 GMT
Hello,
Does anyone know if it is possible
to repartition ext2 on the fly? I
would like to add a new partition
and shrink my current partition to
make room without losing my data.
Any suggestions would be much
appreciated...
thanks
Mike
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From: "Itzik S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: G-N-O-M-E as default instead of Fvwm
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:41:14 +0200
Hi,
I'm re-sending this question, fixed ( i hope so ) and more detailed.
I'm trying to set G-N-O-M-E to be default instead if Fvwm,
but with no success.
I'm using RedHat 6.0 .
As far as I understand, this the scenario in my computer ( and many
others i guess.. ):
"/etc/x11/xdm/Xsession"
then
"root/.Xclients"
then
"root/.Xclients-defaults" ( who choose what to run according to
".wm_style" )
I think that "/etc/x11/xdm/Xsession" is trying to find some file and
can't find it because there i see the command "exec gnome-session", but
it fails and continues to "root/.Xclients" etc.
Can anybody help, and tell me in which i set the default ?
Thanks,
Itzik.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Logger and syslog
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:34:23 GMT
In article <7hk9lj$965$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, subzerofire wrote:
>anyone know how to use logger from the command line to send a message to syslog
man 1 logger
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From: "theoddone33" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Need help setting up system.
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:13:23 -0500
Hi
I just ordered RH 6.0, and I'm getting a 10 gig HD in a few weeks. Right
now, I've got a 240 meg HD running slackware 3.5. I want to split the 10
gig into 2 5 gig partitions with windows on one and RH on the other. From
my limited experience installing windows, I'm assuming it will only install
itself in the first partition. Is this correct? Also, I read in Linux
Journal that LILO can load windows. I would like RH to load by default,
even if windows is in the first partition and I want to put LILO in the
Master Boot Record. Is there anyone who knows how to do this that would
like to explain it to me further? Specifically, I need help with getting
LILO to load windows. Any help is greatly appreciated.
--
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"Brevity is the soul of wit"
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From: Edouard Oyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: printing problem
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:37:51 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Guys,
I really need your help on that one. I am in despair of doing anything.
I already went through the printing HOWTO and things are not the way
they should be.
I am trying to print on a printer that is on a netwrk. The way I am
accessing is through an IP number.
I am able to print when I am logged as root. I can't otherwise. The
message I get is
"lpr: connect: permission denied.
Jobs queued, but cannot start daemon."
The printing HOWTO says it is generally due to a bad network
configuration. In that case how can I be able to print when being root?
I am loosing my last hair.
Thanks for your help,
Edouard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hubertus A. Haniel)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:33:36 GMT
I hate to tell you this Chris but only very small companies run a
Linux only enviroment, big companies tend to run Solaris and even
bigger ones will go for AIX. Depending on their need and what they can
afford. And I find it very hard to belive that there are Unix only
places.
Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Umm... I hate to tell you this, Scott, but lots of companies now are running
>linux-only businesses... and a LOT of the major apps that business corporations
>use are being ported to linux. EG: Oracle, DB2, Corel WordPerfect (just because
>it helps with end-user productivity) StarOffice (which can read and write to M$
>formats) and in the event that there ISN'T the type of program that you're
>looking for under linux, there is almost a guarantee that there's at least a
>win3.1 version. In that case it's a simple matter to install Wabi and/or use
>Wine to run the "Windows-Only" apps that businesses need. Also.... IMHO
>businesses that are smaller should be using linux simple because of the low
>overhead and cost of running a linux-only business. And why does asking "why do
>you want to remove linux?" make someone a freak? If somebody asks "Why do you
>want to remove Windows?" do you think that they are a freak? Just a bit to
>think about.... no hard feelings.
>
>Scott L wrote:
>
>> maybe to actually run 90% of the applications he needs to that wont run on
>> Linux ? its remarks like this one below that gives linux users the name of
>> freaks - get a grip would you - theres no way to run a linux only business
>> environment unless you use very FEW apps
>> THEVENIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
=====================================================================
Hubertus Alexander Haniel ,,, http://www.haniel.demon.co.uk
Greenhithe, Kent, UK (o o) ICQ UIN: 1470384
=========================oOOo==(_)==oOOo=============================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Wilson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Odd problem with mpg123
Date: 15 May 1999 23:39:35 GMT
Dammit, actually, the thing is just unpredictable. I've come to find out that
even what I've written below is incorrect. Sometimes it WILL fail to play a
track, even if if I don't hit control-C.
This wouldn't be so frustrating if I was able to get Real Audio to work on my
system.
>Actually, I found out that this only happens if I cancel out of the app by
>hitting ^C. If I wait for the file to finish playing, then the application
>will still work on other files without rebooting.
>
>Does anybody know of how I can safely stop the player without hitting
>control-C so I don't have to reboot in order to play it again?
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From: Andy Piper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: good, free ORB w/ C++ & Java lang support
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:23:44 +0000
Salman Ahmed wrote:
> I am looking to learn CORBA, and want to know if someone
> can recommend to me a good, free implementation of
> CORBA for Linux (RedHat 5.2 w/ kernel 2.0.36).
A colleague of mine who knows CORBA seems to like MICO,
which can be found at http://www.mico.org
Andy
--
Andy Piper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fareham, Hampshire
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc)
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:21:40 -0400
The 'which' command will find procmail only if procmail is on your path.
Try using the 'find' command. If that doesn't work either (and you've used
it correctly), then your comment is justified and you'll have to install
it.
Steve Lamb wrote in message ...
>On 13 May 1999 00:52:54 -0700, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>Use procmail to sort your mail. That's what it's for & it's already
>>installed.
>
> Wow, gotta love assumptions. I love them, don't you?
>
>{morpheus@teleute:~} which procmail
>procmail not found
>
>
>
>--
> Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
> ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of
souls.
>-------------------------------+-------------------------------------------
--
>
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Changed Audio permissions after kernel upgrade
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:28:01 GMT
Hello,
I just upgraded from 2.2.3 to 2.2.8
and now none of my audio
applications have permissions to use
the sound card. If I log in as root
there is no problem. I have tried
changing the permissions of /dev/dsp
and /dev/audio but that didn't solve
it. Does anyone know where this is
defined and how I can fix it? Any
help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Wilson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Odd problem with mpg123
Date: 15 May 1999 23:09:50 GMT
Chris Wilson wrote:
>The application mpg123 plays tracks fine, but only until I stop the player.
>After the player stops, I can't restart it until I reboot the system. It
>doesn't give me an error message -- the application actually indicates that
>it's playing the track, although it isn't. No sound is coming out. And I
>know that my volume is high enough because I got sound before stopping the
>application.
Actually, I found out that this only happens if I cancel out of the app by
hitting ^C. If I wait for the file to finish playing, then the application
will still work on other files without rebooting.
Does anybody know of how I can safely stop the player without hitting
control-C so I don't have to reboot in order to play it again?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot:
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:38:12 -0700
Hi ,
I know that booting from floppy as single user and mounting the root
disk can be used to rescue a system with a forgotten root password. I'm
also aware that this is a part of any unix system.
It so happens that Lilo form the harddisk accepts the "linux single"
boot option. Allowing any one to gain root access.
This poses a problem because we plan to depoly some PCs with linux in
our computer labs and have /home nfs mounted. Given the lack of security
that nfs presents, this posses great problems because a user who has
gained root access can su to any user in the domain. since most of our
UNIX systems are setup this way, the /home directory has to be nfs
mounted.
Comming to the point, How do you block the "linux single" param at boot
up? what other work arounds can you suggest? Since these are PCs and
have reset buttons, power cords any user can reboot the machine.
This issue is what prevents us fom deploying linux and new students and
prospective members of the linux community are at risk.
All help would be greatly appriciated.
Thanx
Arun.
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From: Rex Basham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LS-120
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:22:19 +0000
Cameron Spitzer wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Reply to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Dave Spensley;
> >
> > DS> But I'd still like to know how to low-level format the damn things under
> > DS> Linux.
> >
> >mkfs? Works for me, on some disks whose sectoring was at best AFU due
> >to a hardware fault when the drive was attached to another machine (this
> >one)
>
> The mkfs command does not perform the function known in the MS-DOS world
> as a "low level format." Mkfs requires that the media already contain
> tracks and sector marks. If you bulk-erase a floppy you will find mkfs
> can't do anything with it. That's because mkfs performs a write(2) which
> fails on unformatted media.
>
> The two commands I've seen that perform a "low level format" are fdformat
> and SuperFormat. They're using special system calls, not write(2).
> According to the superformat manpage, it's only good for formats up to
> about 3.8 MB. This may be unfinished business for the ATAPI/EIDE driver
> that communicates with the LS-120 drive. Perhaps the writable CD-ROM
> formatting utilities will work on an LS-120 drive.
>
> Cameron
Why would you need to low level format anything? Run fdisk, delete all
the partitions, create a single primary, and write it to disk. Now mkfs
works fine. Only problem I have with LS-120 is getting one to boot.
mkbootdisk --device /dev/hda1 2.2.8 appears to write everything fine
but the boot gets to LI and hangs forever. Any insight?
rexb.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: 15 May 1999 23:20:42 GMT
On Sat, 15 May 1999 22:26:10 +0100,
Nevyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> k.....i'll elaborate.....i get these commands are in all operating
> systems.....but y do they us the same syntex....eg postfixes in ftp are
> '-'[unix] not '/' like in other windows things......how come, i would have
> thought that the operating system would use there own all the time, or the
> standar all the time so not to confuze poor users....or am i just an
> idealistic youth?
You would have to ask Microsoft.
Unix predates DOS by well over a decade, and was using '/' for directory
seperation and '-' for options when Microsoft was loading programs from
300bps cassette tapes.
--
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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