Linux-Misc Digest #221, Volume #20 Sun, 16 May 99 00:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Energy Star Usage? (jik-)
silly windows ("Nevyn")
Re: Ftp software ? (Jim Henderson)
Re: silly windows ("Nevyn")
Re: Need help setting up system. ("theoddone33")
intro(1) lost?, Re: In defence of UNIX man pages ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: Can I change X login screen In RedHat 5.2 (Michael McConnell)
RH6.0 won't boot after install! (Mianne)
Re: car mp3 player (David L. Bilbey)
Re: "doc contain no data" error on internet access ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Logger and syslog (echico)
Re: was getting a Lexmark 3200 a mistake? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot: (Bernd Eckenfels)
Staroffice registration key ? (James Chang)
Re: Q: Can Linux read IRIX (5.3) filesystem? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Xfig can't fit!! (ron cole)
Filesystem and Ext2 module? (Ju Wang)
Re: making linux go away (Chris Lee)
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (Enkidu)
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (Robert Krawitz)
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (Bev)
Re: 'Find'. what a strange command ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: silly windows (Enkidu)
Re: silly windows (Lew Pitcher)
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Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 02:35:04 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Energy Star Usage?
Jason Bond wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there know how to use (or of any good programs that make
> use of) the energy star features (If I'm talking about the right thing)
> of monitors? What I'd like is for my monitor to power off (or go on
> standby) after a specified amount of time (ack...like windows can
> do...sorry for that)? Thanks much,
xset dpms 0 0 300 sets it to shut off at 5 minutes with no suspend or
standby mode.
Or at http://web3.foxinternet.net/jik/ I wrote a GUI app which allows
you to enter in values and set the dpms modes for the server.
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From: "Nevyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: silly windows
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:59:51 +0100
does anyone have any idea why windows has exe's that are linux
commands?...pind and ftp are tw but im sure i found more...look in ur
windows directory...they use the same commands syentex everything....y?
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From: Jim Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ftp software ?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:15:16 -0600
I wish there was - I've just found that my download of Redhat 6 doesn't
include the symlinks; I'm building them from the ls-lR files manually,
but I have a Linux system running that I can do this on while building
my CD image.
I'll keep my eyes open. :-)
Jim
Steve McClay wrote:
>
> Yup the recursion option really works :)). Now the only problem is the
> symbolic links. Is there any way to ensure that I get them too ?
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jim Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I use NCFTP myself, and love it.
> >
> > get -R -C *
> >
> > Will recurse subdirectories and force a continuation on files you
> > already have.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Steve McClay wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I wanted to know if there is any Good Ftp software for (Redhat)
> Linux? I
> > > am using NCFTP currently. I would also like to know if there is any
> > > command that would let me transfer subdirectories as well (in
> NCFTP)?
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
> > > ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
> >
> > --
> > Jim Henderson
> > Novell Support Connection SysOp - http://support.novell.com/forums
> >
> > Homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~jhenderson (email instructions
> > located here)
> >
> > Please note that as an NSC SysOp, I do not provide support for Novell
> > products on a personal basis - if you need help with a Novell product,
> > please post a reply in the public newsgroup or visit the Novell
> support
> > forums at the URL above.
> >
>
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Homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~jhenderson (email instructions
located here)
Please note that as an NSC SysOp, I do not provide support for Novell
products on a personal basis - if you need help with a Novell product,
please post a reply in the public newsgroup or visit the Novell support
forums at the URL above.
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From: "Nevyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:14:36 +0100
ok i'll try again.....an read the spelling this time
does anyone have any idea why windows has exe's that are linux
commands?...ping and ftp are two but im sure i found more...look in ur
windows directory...they use the same commands syntex(?) everything....y?
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From: "theoddone33" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help setting up system.
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:26:05 -0500
Thanks, I have a feeling those HOWTOs are just what I needed.
--
theoddone33
"Brevity is the soul of wit"
AGQ2 Configs Page:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/crbray/
My homepage:
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To email, descramble the pig latin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7hlblm$n5o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>theoddone33 scribbled manically:
>: From
>: my limited experience installing windows, I'm assuming it will only
install
>: itself in the first partition. Is this correct?
>
> I admit I'm not sure about the first partition, but I know Windows
>_does_ want to be on the first hard drive (the master, that is), so it
seems
>a good guess that it would want the first partition. OTOH, the LILO mini-
>howto suggests that you can boot DOS, at least, from a later partition.
>
>: Also, I read in Linux
>: Journal that LILO can load windows. I would like RH to load by default,
>: even if windows is in the first partition and I want to put LILO in the
>: Master Boot Record. Is there anyone who knows how to do this that would
>: like to explain it to me further? Specifically, I need help with getting
>: LILO to load windows. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> You might want to take a look at the LILO mini-howto at
>http://www.linux-howto.com/ptHOWTO/mini/LILO
>and the Linux+Win95 mini-howto at
>http://www.linux-howto.com/ptHOWTO/mini/Linux+Win95
>Plus, of course, the lilo and lilo.conf manpages, which are pretty good,
>and the lilo docs in /usr/lib/lilo/doc (assuming you installed them, or
have
>them on CD). The short description is: install windows first (making sure
>you leave empty space for your linux partition), then install linux, then,
>from linux, install lilo, with a lilo.conf file which gives you a choice
>between Windows and linux, with linux as the default. Not hard at all...
>like I say, 'man lilo.conf' is your friend.
>
>JD
>
>
>
>--
>"Corporations can't teach hacking. It has to be in you."
> --Emmanuel Goldstein
>
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: intro(1) lost?, Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: 16 May 1999 02:32:33 GMT
"Genuine Bell" Unix (Sys V, anyway) had a manpage "intro(1)" that was bound
out of alphabetical order, at the beginning of the book.
It was an introduction to manpages! Told what the square brackets
and font changes in the command synopses meant.
A determined newcomer could start with intro(1) and init(8)
and follow the "See also" references and learn enough about the
system to use it. I know people who taught themselves Unix that way.
Seems to be missing from Linux. Without intro(1), manpages suck.
This seems to me to be due to the GNU folks' distain for this
form of documentation. I guess it's *supposed* to be possible to
learn the GNU environment from texinfo, starting where? Emacs?
Some BSD's came with a pack of interesting papers called the Supplementary
Documents. This included the authors' guides to vi(1), make(1),
and troff(1), among other things. Whatever happened to those?
They never made it back into Sys V, nor into the Linux distros,
perhaps due to the not-invented-here snobbery about the .ms and .mm
troff macro sets. (Bell used .mm Memorandum Macros while Berkeley used
Manuscript Macros .ms. Pissing contests suck.)
Are the Supplementary Docs on the Web someplace?
Cameron
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From: Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can I change X login screen In RedHat 5.2
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:39:18 +0100
On Sat, 15 May 1999, Mike Rego wrote:
> I have X started as I login can I change the background of the login
> screen and how do I do that?
I think it's in: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XBanner
Can't remember what to tweak, but the file is well commented.
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell [Red Hat 6.0 Available!]
Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amush.cx/linux/ Fax: +44-8701-600807
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mianne)
Subject: RH6.0 won't boot after install!
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 02:39:53 GMT
I have been using RH5.2 for a few months and it has generally been running fine.
Actually
installed it 5 times (because of mistakes I made during use!) and each time it
installed
and ran fine.
Recently got RH6.0 and it won't boot after supposedly successful installs. I've tried
two
new installs and one upgrade from RH5.2
When booting after new installs in gets to 'Loading Linux' and that's it! -not even
any dots after it such as 'Loading Linux.............'
When booting after the upgrade it gets to 'Loading Linux' and then goes straight to the
next line with an Error message 'Error 0x09' -and no further - can't even boot from
the
rescue disk that was made during the installation.
Does anyone have any ideas???
Mianne.
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From: David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: car mp3 player
Date: 13 May 1999 21:06:21 GMT
+-----On 13 May 1999 20:25:21 GMT, brian moore spoke unto us:----------
| > I've also got another problem. Shutting the car off/shutting down the
| > computer. If I mount the file-system read-only, is it okay to just shut it
| > off? If not, how would I go about addressing this problem?
| If you mount it readonly, yes... but that will cost some flexibility.
What kind of flexibility? If I'm just playing the mp3s, then what do I
need to write? Nevermind, I just thought about it, and it would be useful
to write new playlists and stuff.
| You may want to look into using APM type stuff to handle things more
| gracefully: running the player off an unswitched circuit in the car and
| having it go into sleep mode when you kill the ignition or 'accessory'
| power.
What is an unswitched circuit? (I know _nothing_ about electronics)
So it would still be running off the car battery? Or would I have another
battery that it switches to once the car power is cut? If it is the car
battery, won't it kill the battery in little to no time?
David
--
"In the first castles, I bet a common mistake was putting the torture room
next to the master bedroom. Boy, you're just not going to get the good
sleep that way." --Jack Handey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: "doc contain no data" error on internet access
Date: 16 May 1999 02:58:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mukund scribbled manically:
: I installed RedHat 6.0 recently and set up a ppp connection using kppp.
: When I tried to get to any site using Netscape, I get an error "The
: Document contains no data. Try again later, or contact the server's
: administrator". lynx says something to the effect of "Network
: error. Connection terminated unexpectedly". Tried using different
: browsers for the same result. I could ping most of the sites.
I don't have an _answer_ per se, but a little troubleshooting info
that might help... That message generally occurs when you connect to a
webserver, but then the connection is dropped before anything gets sent.
Can you telnet to the websites? Try telnetting to port 80 (like
'telnet www.website.com 80', see if it responds, and then say
"HEAD / HTTP/1.0" and see if it gives you something back. It should look like
this:
alderamin:~>telnet www.inficad.com 80
Trying 207.19.74.19...
Connected to www.inficad.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:56:16 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.4 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:25:19 GMT
ETag: "43d97-571-3523c9ff"Accept-Ranges: bytesContent-Length: 1393
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Connection closed by foreign host.
alderamin:~>
That's a normal connection. If it looks like that, then you know
your connection is OK, and it's probably something wrong with your browser
setup(s). If not, I would start to question whether your ppp connection is
OK. Can you do other things over the connection - telnet out, read news,
etc?
JD
--
"Corporations can't teach hacking. It has to be in you."
--Emmanuel Goldstein
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From: echico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Logger and syslog
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:40:15 -0700
please do not send me any more messages. I don't know how I got on this list to
receive.
Thank you
Juergen Heinzl wrote:
> In article <7hk9lj$965$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, subzerofire wrote:
> >anyone know how to use logger from the command line to send a message to syslog
>
> man 1 logger
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: was getting a Lexmark 3200 a mistake?
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 02:38:48 GMT
In article <dEfBft5hvBuv-pn2-gIyr8ILgBLHC@localhost>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Williams) wrote:
> I recently bought a Lexmark 3200 after reading good comments in
> comp.os.os2.misc. This was before I got Linux, but I was planning on
> getting Linux in the near future. Well I have RH 5.2 now, and as you
> might expect, this printer doesn't work with Linux. I didn't realize
> it was a Windoze-type printer (since there was an OS/2 driver for it)
It is truly bizarre that Lexmark went so far as to write a driver for
OS/2 but then left Linux conspicuously absent from the support list.
You're screwed. The printer needs proprietary drivers to work. Lexmark
won't write a Linux driver, and no one else can write one because
Lexmark won't release the specs. Catch-22.
Lexmark has done some Linux support for its more expensive laser
printers, but I think that's 'cause those people are spending the
serious money. Lexmark doesn't seem to want any business from home
Linux users printing on inkjets. They just don't like us.
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From: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SECURITY ISSUES: Single user restriction at lilo boot:
Date: 16 May 1999 02:06:59 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Comming to the point, How do you block the "linux single" param at boot
> up?
Look in the lilo docu for password= and restricted options. But you should
be aware that this does not help u at all. Since it is still possble to plug
a notebook into the net to get to those unprotected nfs home dirs.
> This issue is what prevents us fom deploying linux and new students and
> prospective members of the linux community are at risk.
Well.. other systems arent more secure, are they? You can use samba/smb
filesystem instead of nfs, with this the user needs to give its password to
access the home. This is a bit more secure (og course there can be trojans
to get those passwords). You can add kerberos authentication, that would
help some more. But this, and even NT-user-authentication cant solve the
problem of unprotected hardware. You will need a Single-sign-on system with
smartcards and protected readers.
Greetings
Bernd
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From: James Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Staroffice registration key ?
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:37:33 +0800
Hi there
Could anybody tell me the staroffice 5.0 registration key ?
Thanks in advance
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Q: Can Linux read IRIX (5.3) filesystem?
Date: 16 May 1999 03:51:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ron scribbled manically:
: I have an SGI-box, a Linux box, a Win98-box.
: I also have a couple of SGI-cd's (patches / newer version) but no player in
: the SGI-box.
: Q: What options do I have, without bying a player for the SGI...
No responses to this? Well, let me give it a shot. I believe that
CDROMs are always in what's called ISO9660 format - that is to say, _not_
a FAT, ext2, UFS, or any other kind of filesystem. Therefore, you should
be able to mount the CDs in the linux box, then NFS-mount the CDROM drive from
the SGI and read it that way. This should work fine if you just want to read
files off the CDs. If you actually want to do an install from CD, I don't
know if it's going to work.
JD
ps You lucky dog...I want an SGI! <g> An old one - the old logo rules,
the new logo sucks.
--
"Corporations can't teach hacking. It has to be in you."
--Emmanuel Goldstein
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From: ron cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xfig can't fit!!
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:51:46 -0700
sorry! run xf86config from the console. bad typing in my message!
On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Tranchant wrote:
> 1. Use the geometry settings that most applications obey - they are a
> part of X. Look at "man X". It's something like "xfig -geometry
> 800x600+0+0" you want. I think you'll lose some of the tool buttons
> though.
>
> 2. Set up a virtual desktop size and scroll around that.
>
> 3. Get a smaller .sig. 18 lines is too much.
>
> Mark.
>
> Kenny Zhu wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I need some help. I'm working on a laptop the screen is 800x600. I
> > have a problem with xfig. I just can't see the bottom tool bars and some
> > of the side bars below as well. Any remedies? Thanks.
> >
>
>
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From: Ju Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Filesystem and Ext2 module?
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:15:59 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I have trouble when config the ext2 as modules, the kernel just panic,
is there any
restriction about file system config?
Beside, does some one know how to make kernel support a new file system,
I think somewhere of the kernel configuration file must be modifed to
integrat a new filesysmte. any information will be appreciated.
Thanks
-Ju
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: 16 May 1999 03:02:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>I hate to tell you this Chris but only very small companies run a
>Linux only enviroment, big companies tend to run Solaris and even
>bigger ones will go for AIX. Depending on their need and what they can
>afford. And I find it very hard to belive that there are Unix only
>places.
Who cares what you belive?
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:54:32 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas Scholz wrote:
>
> Solution would be a database (integrated into the os, no user
> manipulation) that recognizes everything(!!!) that goes in and
> out of the system. This would provide system integrity.
>
> Ok, question is, if something like this is desirable.
>
My guess is that this is unlikely. In my experience, there is
almost always some sort of packet manager, whatever the OS but
it does not ever cover anything.
Imagine, if you are developing a package, and the only way to get
fixes out to your testers was to use a package manager. In general
a package manager is an all or nothing affair - you replace the
whole thing.
These difficulties can be overcome - IBM has come close with SMP
which allows the temporary patching of a module without the
necessity of adding or removing a whole module.
Cliff
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Date: 15 May 1999 23:06:06 -0400
"Thomas Scholz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> These packet managers are exactely what I ment with being just put on top of
> the os. As you said these managers (or comparable sw) don't recognize the
> stuff you put on the system, let's say manually, nor the stuff other apps
> might put on the system. So the data these managers are maintaining is
> "corrupt", not complete. The concept is wrong.
The issue is, what do you want to store? As was pointed out, if you
use RPM or some other package manager, anything you install using RPM
will be registered. System configuration is traditionally managed
through a well-known collection of text files; user configuration is
managed by a collection of text files in the user's home directory.
If you want to put other stuff on your system, that's your lookout.
It's certainly possible to wind up with a rather messy system.
However, Unix applications don't normally interact with each other in
weird ways the way Windows applications do (they rarely modify the
kernel, whereas in Windows it seems to be a perfectly normal state of
affairs to modify the core system). It's not at all unusual for a
Unix (including Linux) system to contain multiple installations of one
applications -- different versions, for example.
A registry doesn't solve this, either. It concentrates everything in
one place, but that doesn't make it easy to actually find anything.
> Solution would be a database (integrated into the os, no user manipulation)
> that recognizes everything(!!!) that goes in and out of the system. This
> would provide
> system integrity.
Well, the filesystem does exactly that -- it keeps track of exactly
what's on the system. The only thing is, it doesn't actually
interpret anything beyond a stream of bytes.
That aside, it's not entirely clear what you want this database to
do. I suspect that you really want it to have more semantic knowledge
of what's installed on the system. Certainly the Windows registry
doesn't keep track of what is or isn't on the system; it only knows
what things tell it to store, and doesn't actually know anything about
the keys or values.
> Ok, question is, if something like this is desirable.
Consider the complexity it would add to the core operating system,
first.
Second, consider that while it centralizes information in one sense,
in another sense it distributes it more widely. Unix applications are
often completely contained within one or a few directories; removing
these directories removes the rogue application. The Windows
registry, at least, stores information quite apart from the files that
comprise the application. Cleaning out stray registry keys seems to
be a major raison d'etre for they myriad uninstaller programs on the
market.
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:48:02 -0700
Reply-To: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Scott Smith wrote:
>
> On Fri, 14 May 1999 09:58:00 +0930, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >It is because of a strong swing to graphical operating systems that the UNIX
> >man pages are both unfamiliar and difficult for novice users to understand,
> >not because they were poorly written."
>
> I'm not an expert, but I'll comment.
>
> I don't think the trouble is caused by users coming from a GUI, but
> from users having poor reading abilities. Perhaps GUIs don't encourage
> good reading skills. But many man pages are pretty clear, provided you
> are willing to read carefully and look up cross-references.
>
> One of the biggest irritations is users who refuse to read. There is a
> quote on a tech support humor page that goes like this:
>
> "I just spent $2000 on my computer! I don't see why I should have
> to read some documentation!!"
Nope! I used DOS for years. I read lots of stuff -- manuals AND books. I
was comfy with a command line (since I used it for at least 5 years before I
was forcibly flung (by netscape, it turns out) into win3.1). I wrote .bat
files. I showed other people how to do things.
The problem is that the man pages were written for programmers -- people
who are already intimately familiar with how computer systems work and who
don't have to learn a whole new vocabulary. I hate programming. I wish I
liked it, but I hate it. The last time I did much of it was 1994, writing
dBase crap. I hated that too, but it was part of my job. What I know
about it is only what I've been forced to learn in order to do my job.
What I want in a man page is EXAMPLES. Tell me some stuff and show me
some examples and tell me some stuff about the examples and I can probably
figure out the rest -- or at least as much as I need. When I have to look
up every tenth word in a references which requires me to look up every
fifth word in a reference which requires me to look up every other word in
a reference that I don't have, do you blame me for getting a little testy?
DOS 5.0 (I think) came out with a really slick help file which offered
discussions, syntax, and examples. Must have been done by somebody
besides M$ because it was really good. They took it out when they issued
win95, of course, but I used an old copy. Right, almost nobody knew
about it, but I did and that's what counts :-)
I conclude that the writers of the man pages have some sort of BOFH code
wherein it is definitely bad form to give useful information to somebody
approaching the subject cold. I actually dread having to open up one of
the damn man pages -- and I am neither lazy nor stupid. I'm just tired of
climbing unnecessary hills. People have written slick stuff, it's just a
shame that they have to keep it secret from everybody except those who
know the secret handshake.
Thanks for listening...
--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Why put fault tolerance in the OS, when it's already built
into the User?" -- Steve Shaw, regarding Win95
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'Find'. what a strange command
Date: 16 May 1999 03:44:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bill Unruh wrote:
>>
>> Uuurgle.
>>
>[cliffy@inanna cliffy]$ Uuurgle
>bash: Uuurgle: command not found
>
>Eh??
He either meant
uucico
which is the yo-yo simulator, copy-up copy-down, or
xmkmf
which is actually a set of five random letters, the command to generate
a huge, incomprehensible command file.
Or maybe he was trying to uuencode the output of xmkmf, to uucico it someplace.
How many times have you typoed mv(1) and gotten a line of guff from Metafont?
What's mf doing here? Does anybody use it?
Who thinks these names up, anyway?
cls
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:01:04 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nevyn wrote:
>
> k...if u want to put an option on an msdos command like a page
> at a time on the dir command.....u go dir /p
> to add summin to a linux command u would put say ls -a
> in the msdos ping command u still woudl use -a....not /a
> i jus wonder y if they could keep it the same an not confuse people
Nevyn,
I think this is a good question. I think that the Microsoft Mafia
when developing the networking commands had to use the Unix commands.
After typing /a (under Unix) then going to Windows and typing -a
they decided to standardise on the Unix way.
By the way, the commands are NT identical. Just try the "route"
command sometime under Unix and Windows!
Cliff
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:17:42 -0400
Nevyn wrote:
>
> ok i'll try again.....an read the spelling this time
> does anyone have any idea why windows has exe's that are linux
> commands?...ping and ftp are two but im sure i found more...look in ur
> windows directory...they use the same commands syntex(?) everything....y?
Because the designers of MSDOS (and the follow-on product, 'Windows')
borrowed a number of concepts and utilities from Unix and it's brothers.
The tree-structured directory and it's commands come from the Unix
side of the world, as does the networking components of ping, ftp, etc.
Winsock is a port of BSD sockets to the Windows environment, with API
changes that were made necessary by the difference between BSD Unix
and MicroSoft Windows.
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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