Linux-Misc Digest #221, Volume #21               Fri, 30 Jul 99 11:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: How to create bootdisk on a LS120 drive? (Tom Fawcett)
  Re: Download and burn Debian and slackware. (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
  Re: where is the binary and source code after rpm? (Bob Tennent)
  Re: What I think of linux. (Fulko van Westrenen)
  Re: Good IRC client for Linux? ("David")
  Re: modem not responding ("David")
  Re: Professional Sound / Digital Audio Support for Linux? (Thorsten Ohl)
  uuups: [mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel] + [MODULES] (Nicolas Anquetil)
  Re: Kernel Rebuild Problem ("Brad Stevenson")
  Re: AWE64 and 2.2.5? (Stewart Honsberger)
  [mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel] + [MODULES] (Nicolas Anquetil)
  Does Oracle8i work on Linux? ("Fabio A. Arnaboldi")
  Re: What I think of linux. (Jay Fink)
  Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
  Re: GNOME & E (Ken Corbin)
  Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
  Q: Linux >< Net2Phone On Win9x/NT ("Young4ert")
  Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz." (De Messemaeker Johan)
  Re: What I think of linux. (Jon Skeet)
  Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz." (Robert)
  Re: What I think of linux. (Chris Lee)
  StarOffice 5.1 and Java (Jim McIntyre)
  How to inline C-functions in Fortran (Karsten Breuer)
  Re: [Q]  Printer doesn't go Online... Any ideas? (Daniel Buettner)

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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How to create bootdisk on a LS120 drive?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 07:40:49 -0400

"Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've got an IDE LS120 drive in place of a floppy drive on a RedHat
> v6.0 system.  I would like to use the LS120 as a boot disk.
> 
> I understand that I must partition the LS120 disk because Linux thinks 
> it's a hard disk.  So now I've a 120MB partition which is identified 
> as /dev/hda1 (the hard disks in my system are all SCSI).
> 
> The mkbootdisk utility that RedHat ships with their distro seems to
> assume that it is being used on a floppy disk.  It doesn't seem to
> understand that there may be more than a single partition on the
> destination drive.
> 
> How do I write LILO to the boot sector of the LS120 and use /dev/hda1
> at the boot device?

This might help you:

http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/floppy.shtml

Go to the section "Enter the LS-120".

-Tom

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Download and burn Debian and slackware.
Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:43:57 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there any bootable cd images of those two linux distributions
>(slackware 3.9 and debian) out on the internet. Or can someone please
>tell me where i can download the installation trees and burn a
>bootable cd myself.

For Debian, see http://cdimage.debian.org/ .

>Please give me a short explanation how make the cd bootable,

cdimage.debian.org points to the scripts used to produce the Debian CD
images.

HTH,
Ray
-- 
PATRIOTISM  A great British writer once said that if he had to choose 
between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would
have the decency to betray his country.                                      
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: where is the binary and source code after rpm?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:33:51 GMT
Reply-To: rdt(a)cs.queensu.ca

On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:58:12 -0800, Eric wrote:
 >
 >   I had redaht6.0,  after I rpm -vhi    binary.rpm and  source.rpm,
 >where is these binary and source code go, which directory and which
 >files(have it any doc or readme file?)?
 >
To see where the files go, do

rpm -qlp something.rpm

or rpm -ql package

after instalation.

For a source rpm, rpm -i installs the sources (tarballs, patches) under 
/usr/src/redhat/SOURCES.  To unpack the tarballs and apply the
patches, you have to use rpm -bp spec-file.  The files unpack under
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD.

There is a lot of free documentation available on-line on rpm, including
the entire text of a book.  Check out the Red Hat site.

Bob T.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fulko van Westrenen)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 30 Jul 1999 11:57:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 30 Jul 1999 11:02:10 GMT, Robert V. Grizzard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>
>>Donn Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, alann wrote:
>>> 
>>> > You're right, somewhat.  I would be curious as to the average age of 
>Linux
>>> > users.  I'm 34.  First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore 
>PET.
>>> 
>>> Same here.  I can't remeber what year, must have been 1981 or 1982.  What
>>> processor did the PET have, and how much memory did it have?  It seems
>>> like it was like the 64, with Microsoft Basic built in, embedded like.
>>> 
>>> > That was a LONG time ago.  Right now there are a gazillion Windows users.
>>> 
>>> I'm 30, and started using Linux in 1995.  But from 1997 on, I'd been using
>>> FreeBSD almost exclusively.  It'd be interesting to have someone take a
>>> survey on a web site.  I think a quick guestimation would be that the
>>> average age of FreeBSD users are 10 years greater than those of Linux
>>> users.
>>> 
>>
>>33 here.  Learned to program on a Cray in '78 (it's been downhill ever
>>since).  Did the TRS 80 CO-CO, Timex Sinclair, Apple IIe, etc until '91
>>when I got my first PC.
>>
>>Started Linux in 1997 and have never looked back.  Got a priest to come
>>over and exorcise Bill Gates from my machine about 3 months after I
>>started using Linux.
>
>38.  First computing experience was with a HIS 6000 running some flavor of 
>B---C.  I've been playing with Linux since 1995 and have decided this is the 
>summer I leave Micro$oft behind -- but whether for Linux or *BSD is unknown.
>

37. Started on a PDP11-70, used most micro based compu's.
Started using Linux in '95, and I will clean my computers from M$-Windows*
as soon as I haven't used it for over a year (soon, have to check my dairy).


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From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.irc.questions
Subject: Re: Good IRC client for Linux?
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:00:43 +0200

>>>> I'm looking for a good IRC client for Linux/X11. I'm used to mIRC a
bit,
>>>> but that isn't available for X, is it?
>>>
>>>ircii as the engine, and tkirc as the gui front end.  Then you have an
>>>irc client for console AND X.  Also tkirc is the best X irc IMHO, and
>>>I have tried those that other people mentioned and they didn't stand
>>>under scrutiny.


that tkirc worked well, til one day i discovered i couldnt see "actions" ->
when ppl go /me blabla...

can anyone try that btw?  maybe i had an old version.





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From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modem not responding
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:02:50 +0200

perhaps try echo'ing atz first. just a thought



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From: Thorsten Ohl <ohl@*RemoveTheStars*hep.tu-darmstadt.de>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.hardware.arch.intel
Subject: Re: Professional Sound / Digital Audio Support for Linux?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 14:12:46 +0200

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What I'm looking for is something with a full DSP, excellent midi
> syth, and full digital i/o. I also would like at least >18 bit
> ADC/DAC, and something which uses a PCI bus. [...]  I've been
> looking at the Hoontech ST128 DDMA Ruby. Anyone with this card like
> it?

I received mine yesterday and had less than 24h to play with it, but
so far, I like it.  I just plugged it into a free PCI slot and the
driver http://www.anime.net/~sam9407/ worked immediately as
advertized.

I have no testing equiment, but the results of

  # start DAT recorder replay (32kHz, non-linear)
  cat /dev/dsp > foo.wav
  ^C
  # stop DAT recorder
  cat foo.wav > /dev/dsp

sound good to me.

I can not comment on the midi synth, because I have no reference to
compare (I play guitar and my keyboarding abilities are very limited,
to put it mildly).  I just send a few midi commands to /dev/midi00 and
liked most of it.  The grand piano sounds surprisingly good with the
big bank.  Strings are OK.  I was not convinced by wind instuments,
but these are probably tough anyway and I have not fiddled a lot with
parameters yet.

I think that the Hoontech fits the bill and they should be commanded
for recognizing Linux (their web site mentions it and the German
distributor donated a card to the driver's developper), unlike
Terratec and others.

Btw: the english manual is hilarious ...
-- 
Thorsten Ohl, Physics Department, TU Darmstadt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://heplix.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/~ohl/ [<=== PGP public key here]

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From: Nicolas Anquetil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: uuups: [mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel] + [MODULES]
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:48:10 -0400

Uuuups, forgot to give my real email in the previous message.
Sorry about that.

So my email is: anquetil "at" site.uottawa.ca

And the question was:

----
I just recompiled the kernel (2.2.5-15) and removed many things that I
didn't need.

But now I have a some "warning" messages that I would like to tackle:

mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel

I think I can remove this by saying `mount -a -t nodevpts' somewhere in
rc.d, but what is this devpts filesystem.  should I rather "reinclude"
it in the kernel ?


I also have warnings:
modprobe: can't locate module lo:1
modprobe: can't locate module lo:2
...
modprobe: can't locate module lo:48

What is this module `lo' ?
Same thing how to remove the warning message or to reinclude the needed
kernel?


================

Sligthly different question although related:

How do I make a link between a module name (such as `lo' or `ad1848') to

its "function".
and vice-versa.

I have this problem with lo right now, I already had problems with
ad1848, it took me an hour or so to figure out that was the module in
charge of my sound card.

I am sure I have a very naive view on the problem since many modules
seem very specialized (for example to use my iomega ZIP drive, I need a
dozen of them), but some more information would be welcome.

Thanks

nicolas




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From: "Brad Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel Rebuild Problem
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:09:42 -0500

Thanks all. I have successfully compiled the kernel. I went home last night,
rebooted the machine, did exactly what I had tried before (atleast I think).
It compiled. I had to do it a few times before I got it to compile
correctly, but it did.

Most likely I had some kind of massive brain fart when I tried it the first
time. I don't know exactly what, but...

Thanks again.


Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <7npl2m$hrp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brad Stevenson wrote:
> >>> "make: ***No rule to make target 'config'. Stop"
> >>>
>
> > Thanks for your response. I do have the kernel sources installed and I
am
> > quite sure I am executing the command from the directory where the
kernel
> > sources are located "/usr/src/linux".
>
> In which case there should be a file called "Makefile" there.
>
> --
> Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: AWE64 and 2.2.5?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:03:14 GMT

On 29 Jul 1999 15:29:08 GMT, David L. Bilbey wrote:
>A friend of mine just installed RH6.0 and he has an AWE64.  From what I've
>read elsewhere, I didn't think he had to do anything special to get it to
>work (other than compile in sound support and support for his card).  Am I
>mistaken?  He did these, but the card does not work still.  Can someone
>point me to a _recent_ HOWTO or other document (one that pertains to kernel
>2.2.5)?  Thanks.

The only thing I needed to install my AWE64 into the 2.2.x kernel series was
the file AWE32 in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound

Follow those instructions to the letter and you shouldn't have any problems.

-- 
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4

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From: Nicolas Anquetil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel] + [MODULES]
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:26:21 -0400


I just recompiled the kernel (2.2.5-15) and removed many things that I
didn't need.

But now I have a some "warning" messages that I would like to tackle:

mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel

I think I can remove this by saying `mount -a -t nodevpts' somewhere in
rc.d, but what is this devpts filesystem.  should I rather "reinclude"
it in the kernel ?


I also have warnings:
modprobe: can't locate module lo:1
modprobe: can't locate module lo:2
...
modprobe: can't locate module lo:48

What is this module `lo' ?
Same thing how to remove the warning message or to reinclude the needed
kernel?


================

Sligthly different question although related:

How do I make a link between a module name (such as `lo' or `ad1848') to
its "function".
and vice-versa.

I have this problem with lo right now, I already had problems with
ad1848, it took me an hour or so to figure out that was the module in
charge of my sound card.

I am sure I have a very naive view on the problem since many modules
seem very specialized (for example to use my iomega ZIP drive, I need a
dozen of them), but some more information would be welcome.

Thanks

nicolas


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From: "Fabio A. Arnaboldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Does Oracle8i work on Linux?
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:01:19 +0200

Hi there,
    We have developed an application for P&U (Biostatistics and Data
Management, Italy), based upon Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 and Oracle8i
Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.5.0.0. We have detected a bug in the
software cited, that causes the operating system handles number and/or
resources allocated to increase and never decrease until the application

crashes. The bug has been identified by Oracle as 935119 with severity
level 1. This
should mean that Oracle development works on it until it's fixed. They
didn't tell us when this will be :(. At the moment we cannot use our
system (NT
4.0 + Oracle8i + "java stored procedures") as production server.

Can someone try to verify if the problem arises also on a Linux
platform?

The following java class, stored in Oracle8i as a java stored procedure
and called in an infinite loop, allows the problem to be detected.

The java class:

public class Test {
    public static String request(String string) throws Exception {
        return string;
    }
}

The pl/sql package to �publish� the java class in the dbms:

create or replace package Test as
    function request(stringa IN varchar2) return VARCHAR2;
end;
/
create or replace package body Test as
    function request(stringa IN varchar2) return VARCHAR2 as
    language java name 'Test.request(java.lang.String) return
java.lang.String';
end;
/

The infinite loop:

declare
    dummy varchar2(100);
begin
    while TRUE LOOP
        select Test.request('Hello') into dummy from dual;
    end loop;
end;

Thank you for any help.

--
Biostatistics & Data Management
Pharmacia & Upjohn - Milano - Italy



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Fink)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:24:56 GMT

On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:18:10 -0400, uRBaN_WeaSeL
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Jay Fink wrote:
>> 
>> Crap I totally mucked this up:
>> 
>> >
>> Linux inherently has tons more power than Windows and more stability -
>> but - the end user interface is rough for Windows or MAC users.
>
>I just came from Win95 and decided to use Linux exclusively. Actually, I
>didn't have too much trouble using XFree86 and WindowMaker. I admit it DOES
>take some getting used to but I find it quite usable. And FAR more stable than
>Windoze ever was!
>
>> The "new fangled" is a reference to the Interface, not the Core OS.
>> Most end users are more concerned with task oriented eye candy.
>
>Gotta admit, me too. Even though I can (barely) navigate at the command
>prompt, and maybe write a very simple shell script (if one dare call it even
>that), I find myself 99% of the time in X-Windows.


I was not referring to myself but most users. I am very comfortable
with text interfaces. Actually I prefer them for configuration and
some programming.

When i tried to use KDE I got lost. It didn't make any sense to me,.
perhaps to a regular windows user it might but I am used to using
terminals or simple X windows.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:09:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 29 Jul 1999 18:38:56 +0100, Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>>>>> "MK" == MK  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  >> But what if both of them took for themselves freedom?  Perhaps
>  >> this kind of life changing experience would change them both for
>  >> the better.

>  MK> Most certainly, I just don't see the way to make them to.

>       Well this is the point. You cant make them do it. It has
>to come as a choice by the masses. Which doesnt mean that there isnt
>any room for prodding them into activity. This has happened
>before. The French still celebrate it 200 years on, it happened in
>Russia, 

Nope. There was only vulgar October Putch in Russia,
funded with German money who helped Lenin to get
power in order to get Russia off Germany's back in WWI.


<snip>
>  >> Believe it or not many people have an attachment to the land (not
>  >> the same thing as the nation) where they were born and they have
>  >> lived.
>
>  MK> If we _don't_ exploit it, many people will be practically forced
>  MK> to live and work elsewhere.  One does not have moral duty to
>  MK> stay on the sinking ship.

>       Well this is a difficultly with socialism these days. Capital
>unlike govts have gone global very very quickly. Ultimately therefore
>socialism in one country I dont think is feasible nowadays, only a
>watered down left leaning capitalism (contradiction in terms or
>what). Im many ways its why I cease to have much faith in
>parliamentary democracy. Direct action is getting rapidly to be the
>last resort of democracy.

Which does not have to end up badly, provided govts will be
pragmatic and limit themselves to the role of preventing
external and internal violence. This might work; after all,
this is what made US economic superpower, so why it should
not work elsewhere?

<snip>> 
>  MK> I would not want to move out of my country permanently either,
>  MK> but if the disparities between Europe and US will continue, I'll
>  MK> try to move to US (though I would not want to move there
>  MK> permanently). I don't have whole life waiting till Europe
>  MK> reforms itself. Time is running.
                
>       If you decide to go to the US good luck there. I may even move
>there myself. If I do I shall take my lfet wing, socialist (communist
>if you like) views with me....

I would not count on socialism prevailing again. Socialism is
historical anomaly, a kind of population going bonkers on crazy idea
like seeking philosophical stone or that tulip craziness in
Netherlands in the past.





Marcin Krol

==================================================
Reality is something that does not disappear after
you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
==================================================

Delete _spamspamlovelyspam_ from address to email me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Corbin)
Crossposted-To: ahn.tech.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: GNOME & E
Date: 30 Jul 1999 13:32:35 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,        R.K.Aa writes:
> Hmm exactly which option sends the selected window from the Gnome pager
> to foreground? I tested every option i found in enlightenment
> configuration but none seems to trigger that behaviour.

Clicking on the task window fromt he Gnome pager is supposed to raise a
background Window to Foreground.  It fails to do so in the version of
Gnome/Enlightenment shipped with Redhat 6.0, which is why everyone is having
problems with it.  Upgrading to a newer version fixed that particular 
probelem.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:03:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:17:54 +0200, "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


<snip>
>> >wallet, but only on stockexchanges and on the bank. The Euro is going to be
>> >one of the major currencies in the world.

>> This is subject to politics between central bank and EU bureaucracy.
>> The struggle over currency issues between governments and central
>> banks is typical. I have faith in Euro, but I have little faith in
>> socialist bureaucrats not trying to screw it up.

>Agreed, but when you check how many potential buyers there are, it is going to
>be the largest internal market. True, politicians are playing all sorts of
>games.

When you will learn that size does not matter.. ;-)

The problem is, as Adam Smith put it, in effective demand. The demand
only matters when it can be paid for. There are lots of people in the
world who have a demand for very basic things, but their demand is not
effective, because it can't be paid for. It does not matter really
what the size is. It's the quality, not the quantity, that matters.
The number of customers is not panacea.

>> The Europe is still horribly expensive. Too expensive. US has world
>> superiority in technological and financial advancement,  Asia has
>> hardworking and very inexpensive labor, but what Europe is to feature?
>> What is it that will allow Europe to exploit the Comparative Advantage
>> law?

>All caused by the politicians. I think the internal market might get much
>protection from Brussel. You see it already happen. My company is not allowed to
>import MS products form the US without permission from MS. Brussel protects MS
>and companies like HP, Toshiba and others against this.

Not good, not good. This is not going to end up good.

>> >Generally speaking, I don't think Europe is much better then the US. If you
>> >want to move to the US, why don't you.
>>
>> When I graduate (soon), I certainly will try.

>Good luck.

Thanks!



Marcin Krol

==================================================
Reality is something that does not disappear after
you cease believing in it - VALIS, Philip K. Dick
==================================================

Delete _spamspamlovelyspam_ from address to email me

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From: "Young4ert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Q: Linux >< Net2Phone On Win9x/NT
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:14:19 -0400

I have a friend who wants to be able to verbally communicate with his girl
friend using his Linux (SuSE-61 distro) over the Internet.  His girl friend
who is in Latin America uses Net2phone on Windows95 platform.  Is it
possible for my friend to verbally communicate with his girl friend using
his Linux machine over the Internet?  If so, what software does he need to
run?

Any other suggestion is certainly welcome so long as he can utilize his
Linux to verbally communicate with his girl friend over the Internet (to cut
down the long distance telephone call).  Thanks in advance.

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PS. Please remove 4 from the reply address should you decide to reply.



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From: De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz."
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:47:13 +0200

Robert wrote:
> 
> Oh well i found out the answer to my littlle problem.
> It seems that when I try to gunzip first then tar -x the file wont
> uncompress
> but if I do as earlier suggested tar zxvf file1 then everything is just
> fine and dandy and I can uncompress what I want :)
> 
> Robert

That's not normal behaviour :-)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:37:06 +0100

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yep. Thing to rember is that is nearly all MS boosters were taught Windows 
> in school because after the PC replaced the Ataris and C64's in the 
> classroom windows/dos was pretty much the only thing around to run on them. 
> That's pretty much not the case anymore.

Ataris and C64s in the classroom? Interesting... which country was that 
in? In the UK I believe most schools used BBC Micros.

-- 
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/

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From: Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz."
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:29:03 +0200

Oh well i found out the answer to my littlle problem.
It seems that when I try to gunzip first then tar -x the file wont
uncompress
but if I do as earlier suggested tar zxvf file1 then everything is just
fine and dandy and I can uncompress what I want :)

Robert


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 30 Jul 1999 13:51:18 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...

>
>>As the second poster said, Linux was made by geeks for
>>geeks, and unfortunately it will probably always remain
>>so.  I have to say that there is NO WAY Linux will ever
>>become mainstream... simply because of the lack of computer
>>savvy demonstrated by over 90% of PC users.
>>
>
>Nope, your wrong. Kids now have more computer skills than most "windows" 
users.
>
>I see this now in my local linux user group.  A lot of the members are 
"kids"..
>HS'ers, college kids that know thier way around
>linux  as much as I *WOULD* like to..  Today's kids at 8,9,10-15 that 
master
>Windows are not going to be satisfied with "sh*tty software and OS's.
>
>Linux gives thier minds a chance to grow.  I give M$ 10 years max.
>They might still be around, but they will be writing apps, not OS's..
>Todays kids will certainly make sure that happens.

Yep. Thing to rember is that is nearly all MS boosters were taught Windows 
in school because after the PC replaced the Ataris and C64's in the 
classroom windows/dos was pretty much the only thing around to run on them. 
That's pretty much not the case anymore.




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From: Jim McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: StarOffice 5.1 and Java
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:50:11 +0000

I installed SO 5.1, and during the install, setup could not find any
jre. I have java 1.1 installed, but I need to know where to tell
StarOffice to look for the jre .
TIA
Jim


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From: Karsten Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: How to inline C-functions in Fortran
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:54:05 +0200

I'm using gcc and g77 to compile C and Fortran77 on a Linux
box with kernel 2.2.7. Is there a possibility to inline some
C-Functions in the Fortran Code while linking the objects
for a better performance of the executable? What statements
or flags have to be used on the C and Fortran side?


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From: Daniel Buettner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Q]  Printer doesn't go Online... Any ideas?
Date: 30 Jul 1999 13:14:33 GMT

Augusto Cardoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'using Linux 2.2.7 (SuSE) for several weeks without problems. 
> I had to recompile the kernel because I changed the processor, and from
> then, I can't print a single page.
> Everything seems OK; print requests are queued, but "lpq" shows the printer
> status as beinf "off-line"

> What can I do, to get it "on-line".
> Nothing symptomatic appears during boot...
Do the boot messages indicate that the kernel has found your
parallel port?  The default compile options don't usually include
printer support, so I suspect you may need to recompile your kernel,
this time being certain to include printer support.

HTH,
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