Linux-Misc Digest #251, Volume #20 Tue, 18 May 99 15:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: JDK stops working after RH6.0 upgrade (Chris Aiken)
CD-R driver (multi-session) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Rob Potts")
Re: CD-R as backup device (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Help with suid (David L. Bilbey)
Re: In defence of UNIX man pages (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help with suid (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: SuSE 6.1 anyone? ("ed johnson")
Re: Please help mounting hda2 (Jason Yeung)
Re: how do I interrupt boot sequence? ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Redhat 6 and Samba. smb start not loading during boot ("Rui Soutelino")
Re: How to UPGRADE LIBC? (Peter Englmaier)
Some Common Questions (Curt Corum)
Motti 2.1 released (Kari Pahula)
Re: SB PCI 128 under RH 6.0 (Sim)
Re: silly windows (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Registry in Linux ??? (William Wueppelmann)
New cable modem means I have a lot to learn ("Steve Snyder")
Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page (Johan Kullstam)
Re: MS Exchange and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Chris Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.setup
Subject: Re: JDK stops working after RH6.0 upgrade
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:33:32 -0400
I had to update to version 1.1.7-v3. All is well now.
Get at: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html
Hope this helps...
...cwa
Robert Lynch wrote:
> Ben Sandler wrote:
> >
> > I had installed the JDK 1.1.7 from Blackdown under RedHat 5.1. It was
> > working fine. Then, I upgraded to Redhat 6.0, and I get the following
> > error when running java or javac or appletviewer:
> > /local/jdk117_v1a/bin/../bin/i586/green_threads/java: error in loading
> > shared libraries:
> > /local/jdk117_v1a/bin/../lib/i586/green_threads/libjava.so: undefined
> > symbol: _dl_symbol_value
> > Java running from Netscape still works. The above path to java is
> > correct and hasn't changed.
>
> On the Java-Linux mail index there is this msg:
> ==========
> I upgraded to the 1.1.7v2 and it fixed this. You might try the latest
> 1.1.7v3
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zak McGregor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 3:34 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: glibc2.1 & libjava.so
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Does anyone know if downloading a version of jdk will help fix the
> > "/libjava.so: undefined symbol: _dl_symbol_value" error I'm getting?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > =========================================================
> > Zak McGregor Linux:
> > Infoline South Africa Easy pane relief
> =============
> > Anyone know what's wrong???
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Ben
> >
> > --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
> > Ben Sandler
> > email me: sandler at ymail dot yu dot edu
> >
> > The Roman Rule
> > The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the
> > one who is doing it.
>
> HTH. Bob L.
> --
> Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CD-R driver (multi-session)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:09:25 GMT
I have a Teac CD-R56S drive with an Adaptec 1502
SCSI controller. I am trying to write a driver
to write a multi-session CD with an ISO9660 file
system that contains digitized, multiple frame,
medical images. I have the Teac Software
Specification which contains only the SCSI
command structure, and the ISO9660 spec.
So far I have been able to do packet writing and
reading, but having no luck when I try multi-
session. Can anyone point me to where I might
find references to help me develop this software.
Thanks.
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From: "Rob Potts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:13:08 -0400
I want what that guy is smoking. It must be really good to make such a bold
statement.
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD-R as backup device
Date: 18 May 1999 12:28:57 -0400
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Cees de Groot wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I've got one of those too and I do multi-session backups.
> >
> > Multi-session backups are quite expensive in terms of space overhead on
> > the disk, so I'm investigating the packet writing mode of cdrecord. I
> > don't know whether it is possible, but something like writing small
> > ext2fs images in packet mode without closing the disk would be very
> > useful for incremental backups (pending full UDF support).
>
> How do you read these disks once they are written in packet mode?
i am just wondering...
can you use _tar_ with cd-r? as in
tar cvf /dev/cdrom <list of dirs and files>
and add to it with
tar uvf /dev/cdrom <newfile>
???
i use tar on my floppies all the time. maybe it'd be good for disks too?
tar is nice because it's so easy to use. there is no mounting
hassle and i am familiar with the syntax.
--
johan kullstam
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From: David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with suid
Date: 18 May 1999 14:36:16 GMT
+-----On Mon, 17 May 1999 22:53:06 GMT, NF Stevens spoke unto us:----------
| Check /etc/permissions. This will list system files and what their
| group/owner and permissions ought to be. A daily/weekly cron job
| will check these and reset any that differ from the list in
| /etc/permissions.
| Norman
Thanks I figured it was somthing simple like this.
I also have another problem: I can't mount the floppy as a user. Here is
my setup:
/dev/fd0 is rwxrw---- owned by root(actually it might be owned by the
user that I'm talking about...I don't know how that happened either) and
group floppy
/mnt/floppy is rwxrwxrwx
/bin/mount is rwsr-xr-x
The message I get is somewhere along the lines of:
mount: only root can mount
Thanks for any help,
David Bilbey
--
"Basically, this is the way the economy works: I do a service for you,
and you pay me, even if you claim you didn't want the service and that I
`ruined' something of yours." --Jack Handey
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In defence of UNIX man pages
Date: 18 May 1999 12:38:36 -0400
"Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm a university student who in order to share an opinion requires an
> "experts" opinion to back up my point of view. If you are an expert, please
> read on.
>
> Our task is to criticise the UNIX man pages and rewrite our selected man
> page topics for a novice user.
> The following is an extract from my report which I am planning to include,
> but I will require an "experts" opinion to back me up. If you agree with
> what I have written below or have something to add to my 'defensive
> criticism of the UNIX man pages, I would appreciate an e-mail.
>
> I'm still working on the wording and grammar so please excuse.
>
> "The UNIX man page format is similar to that used to describe most command
> line operating system commands. This format was acceptable not long ago, as
> a majority of computer users would have been using ms-DOS and would
> therefore have a fair understanding of command line operating system
> documentation.
>
> The post ms-DOS generation of users have been lured into a world which uses
> �point and click� to control a computer. Most will have never
^^^^ ^^^^
ack! microsoft's own brain damaged char encoding in action.
> been exposed
> to a command line operating system. New graphical operating systems such as
> MS-Windows have become very popular with a vast majority of the computer
> population. The skills of reading command line documentation have been
> lost, so if a novice user is placed in command line environment confusion
> abounds.
windows help files are about the most unhelpful help system i've ever
used. does anyone manage to find anything useful in them? imho it's
the crappy content and bad organization more than the format itself.
> It is because of a strong swing to graphical operating systems that the UNIX
> man pages are both unfamiliar and difficult for novice users to understand,
> not because they were poorly written."
imho unix man pages are bad for novices because they contain no
examples.
man pages are good for someone who is familiar with the command
but wants to know what option does what.
they are also poorly cross-referenced with other pages (compare eg
html docs to the see also list). complicated commands/programs like
bash have horribly long man pages, which, due to their linear nature,
can be hard to sift through to find anything (if you can search, it's
fine, but what if you don't really know what to call it....)
info might be good but the reader leaves a bit to be desired.
--
johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:35:32 GMT
In article <7hr072$mn8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently upgraded from kernel 2.0.36 to 2.2.3. I have the following
> questions:
> 1) With kernel 2.0.36 my parallel port/printer is detected at
/dev/lp1,
> and at /dev/lp0 with kernel 2.2.3. Why?
I ran into this too going from 2.0.36 to 2.2.8. Since 2.1.138,
there is a new way of detecting parallel devices. If you bulit
the kernel, you will see that there is a new device call parport.
My printer didn't work and it took me about a day to figure out why.
The new support is nice, once I bulit the right stuff into the kernel,
Linux detected my HP 5P Laserjet via PnP! Pretty sweet.
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Help with suid
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:11:54 GMT
In article <7hpnb7$c15$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David L. Bilbey wrote:
>I made pppd suid root, so that any user can connect to my isp. However, after a
>certain amount of time (or possibly with some action that I don't realize
>I'm doing), the suid bit gets turned off. Why is this, and how can I fix
>it? Thanks.
Sounds like a very good question ... very spurious and you might mount
/usr read only and see what or who complains.
Take a look into root's crontab too ...
su - root
crontab -l
... whether there is something resetting it since no, I am pretty sure
this is not a built in feature.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: "ed johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.1 anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:41:46 +0100
Try purchasing and support suse
�19. +vat from http://www.softalk.co.uk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <7hpruv$uj9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Is there anyone willing to lend me their SuSE CDs to make a copy? I
>purchased version 5.3, but I would like to upgrade. Of course I will pay
>shipping. I live in Pennsylvania.
>
>Thanks,
>bf
>
>
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From: Jason Yeung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please help mounting hda2
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:29:38 +0800
Hello,
Is it
/dev/hdb1 /mnt/w98d vfat ....etc etc etc....
^^^^
Actually, I am not sure whether it will work.
Jason
Brad wrote:
> I am having no luck at all mounting my primary slave hard drive. My set
> up is this..
>
> Primary Master c: (Win98 Fat32)
> Primary Slave d: (Win98 Fat32)
> Secondary Master (Linux)
>
> So, three hard drives. I have a line in my /etc/fstab file that goes
> something like...
> /dev/hda1 /mnt/w98 vfat ....etc etc etc....
> (sorrry I dont remember the exact syntax and I am in windows now)
>
> That works so I made a new file in /mnt called w98d and in the fstab
> file added a new line...
>
> /dev/hda2 /mnt/w98d vfat .....same as the above line....
>
> I rebooted the machine and the mounting of hda2 didn't work.
>
> I am using Redhat 5.1. What do I need to do to get this to work.
>
> thanks
>
> Brad
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do I interrupt boot sequence?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:52:33 +0100
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Keith York wrote:
> I am using Debian linux and it is hanging during startup when it tries
> to load a corrupt program.
>
> How do I interrupt the startup to get a root prompt so I can remove the
> offending line. (I tried ctl c etc but that doesn't stop it.)
Try booting into single user mode with the single parameter to lilo.
eg linux single
or use the rescue disk (or CD-ROM if it's bootable) and mount the drive
from the console.
or get one of he special boot disks which have more programs on them than
you can shake a stick at.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: "Rui Soutelino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6 and Samba. smb start not loading during boot
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:24:24 +0100
You have to start smbd and nmbd daemons from init.d
Gary Quiring wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I'm running RedHat 6 and Samba is not loading during boot. The smb file
>is in /etc/rc.d/init.d. What is the proper file that controls what modules
>load during boot?
>
>Gary Q
>
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From: Peter Englmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to UPGRADE LIBC?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:05:02 -0400
Don't. Better get RH6.0 which comes with all the new stuff.
Breaking glibc will make your system unusable. Also: you
might to have to upgrade all sorts of things so why not upgrading
to 6.0 ?!
Denis wrote:
>
> I need to upgrade glibc/libc, the files in these (rpm) packages
> obviously conflict with the existing ones (in my RH5.1). I'm all worried about
> uninstalling the existing ones, because I don't understand how then Linux is
> going to install new ones without any working glibc/libc. Please, help me
> understand how to do that if you can.
> thank you.
> Denis
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From: Curt Corum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,intel.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Some Common Questions
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:35:23 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anybody out there know the answer to what I'm assuming are some
common questions?
Netscape - how to get rid of the "bookmarks changed on disk" window that
seems to keep coming up every few minutes?
RealPlayer5.0 - how to get it to work from a user account, I'm assuming
there must be some file permission problems? I't works fine (through a
firewall even) from my root account?
any input appreciated,
Curt
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and not of Intel Corporation...
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Intel Corporation
CH6-438
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Chandler, AZ 85226-3699
(480) 552-0283
(480) 554-7350 fax
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From: Kari Pahula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,alt.sources.d
Subject: Motti 2.1 released
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:59:12 +0300 (EEST)
Motti version 2.1 has been released. It is available by ftp from
ftp.gnu.org/gnu/motti/ and mirrors of that site (see below for list).
Motti is a simple strategy/board game that works on both X and console.
Major changes since version 2.0:
- Portability issues, now should work (hopefully) on other platforms than
GNU/Linux
- Curses-based interface
Report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sim)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: SB PCI 128 under RH 6.0
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:55:52 GMT
On Sat, 15 May 1999 22:11:35 -0400, "Jay"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How do I get SoundBlaster PCI 128 card to work under RedHat 6.0?
>
Should work out fo the box - use sndconfig
If you want real audio, however, you'll need the ALSA drivers
Simon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: silly windows
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:58:44 GMT
In our last episode (Sat, 15 May 1999 22:05:59 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Juergen Heinzl said:
>In article <7hkp25$o9g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nevyn wrote:
>>k.....i'll elaborate.....i get these commands are in all operating
>>systems.....but y do they us the same syntex....eg postfixes in ftp are
>>'-'[unix] not '/' like in other windows things......how come, i would have
>>thought that the operating system would use there own all the time, or the
>>standar all the time so not to confuze poor users....or am i just an
>>idealistic youth?
>
>are you smoking something or am I just to old to understand your problem
I think it's the new spelling combined with a broken shift key. According
to my illiterate <-> English dictionary:
k = okay
get = understand that
us = use
..... = . , : or ; (depending on the context)
y = why
syntex = syntax
eg = e.g. or "for example"
, = ?
there = its
standar = standard
confuze = confuse
Based on my interpretation of the question, I think that the answers are:
1. There is no standardized command line argument syntax for WinDOS
programs. Some use "/" to indicate switches, some use "-". Some switches
are case-sensitive, some are not. Some require switches to come before
file arguments, some require that switches come after file arguments.
2. Typically, Unix programs that are ported to WinDOS retain their original
command line syntax. In fact, most of them mimic the wildcard expansion
performed by most Unix shells, since command.com passes the command line to
the program as-is without any sort of shell expansion or manipulation.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Registry in Linux ???
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:58:36 GMT
In our last episode (Sat, 15 May 1999 13:44:04 +0200),
the artist formerly known as Thomas Scholz said:
>First of all let me say thanks to all of you for your help.
>
>So there is nothing that keeps track of the applications installed
>on the system, regarding location, configuration, ... things like that.
>Everything else (e.g. finders) is put on top of the os. There are also
>no obligatory(!) conventions, that cannot be overcome.
>
>Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Most distributions have some sort of package management system that keeps
track of what you have installed *from that distribution*, but there is no
central database consisting of everything you've installed, including
programs you write yourself, import as source code and compile yourself, or
import as binaries and install yourself. There are a number of conventions
as to how things *should* be installed, but these aren't hard fast rules.
In Windows, installation routines are often opaque and messy. They install
files all over the place, modify other files, and don't tell you what
they're doing. This makes the idea of having a registry where the program
can tell the system what it's done a lot more important than it is in Linux
where the installation routines are generally open to your inspection (and
if you don't install programs as root, they can't write files all over the
system without your knowledge). They generally don't install lots of
files, and when they do, they typically install one executable to */bin,
perhaps a config file to /etc, and maybe some support files to
*/share/program_name or /usr/local/program_name. The only real exceptions
are programs like X which will need to install additional shared libraries,
but these are normally managed by the distributions package management
system.
>So it is just as it is under windows. I mean the registry isn't obligatory
>and therefore IMHO of no use. Except for the hw-settings.
There is actually no registry in the Windows sense.
>Of course, it's almost a kind of philosophical question whether applications
>should be administrated by the os or by the user/admin
>(as it is under linux and windows). However, I think that especially
>regarding systemadministration, the powerful capabilities of computers in
>these days should be used.
Computers aren't smart enough to configure or administer applications the
way you want them. The power of the computer lies in its speed, storage,
recall, and accuracy. The power of the human lies in its ability to
reason, understand and make intelligent judgements. The division of labour
so that the computer does what it is good at and the human does what it is
good at would seem to make system administration a job for a human. Linux
does help the human administer the system by making sure that
administrative tasks are carried out correctly in the right order and at
the right time, but it is the human who decides what those tasks are and
when they should be carried out. If you want an example of how bad a job
the computer does at making administrative decisions, just look at Windows
9x.
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From: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: New cable modem means I have a lot to learn
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:03:07 -0400 (EST)
Reply-To: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The good news: after years of dithering my cable TV provider is providing
Internet access. The bad news: I need to quickly get up to speed on
everything needed to provide Internet access to my whole LAN via the cable
modem.
My simple LAN consists of a server running RedHat v5.2 (updated to kernel
v2.2.x and glibc v2.1) and 10 clients (running Win95, Win98 and OS/2) all
running on the same subnet. Name resolution is done via an identical hosts
file on each system. The server does not provide Internet access to the
clients.
I do not intend to run any additional local services (mail, Web, news, etc.)
at this time. I just want my LANs server to pass packets between the client
machines and the cable modem.
With the imminent arrival of my cable modem I quickly need info on:
0. My ISP will provide a dynamically-allocated IP address. Does that mean I
need to configure my server for DHCP? All the client system will continue
to have static addresses.
1. Supporting a 2nd NIC in my server. Having Linux recognize both NICs is
a no-brainer, but how do I configure it to communicate only with the cable
modem? (The 1st NIC will remain connected to the hub, of course.)
2. IP Masquerading?
3. Firewall? Up to now I haven't had to think much about security, since
the LAN doesn't have direct Internet access. Now that we'll be constantly
connected, I'm wondering if I need a firewall. I have an older machine that
I could use solely as a firewall if needed.
Any information, or pointers to info, on these topics would be gratefully
received.
Thank you.
***** Steve Snyder *****
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page
Date: 18 May 1999 09:22:27 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Greer) writes:
> -->ok, maybe not officially.
> Heh....well there goes your argument :)
>
> btw, have you used the vi (and I mean _used_, not looked at, or played
> with)? What dont you like?
where's the lisp engine? ;->
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johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS Exchange and Linux
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:35:36 GMT
In article <373149cf@nap-ns1>,
I've used pop3 w/ netscape to connect to exchange 5.0 (boo, hiss)
without any problems. The only issue I have with this setup is not being
able to access any of the public folders that some people use there. Are
these accessed thru the mapi interface or will imap be able to give me
this functionality? I'm hoping it's not the former, though I'm pretty
sure it will be :( With the Outlook Web Access turned on, is it
available through there?
trying to avoid MS Outlook at all costs!
Cheers,
James.
> Ken Williams wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Koch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>Does anyone know if someone is working on a Linux client for MS=20
> >>Exchange? My company is going to Exchange in the near future and
I=20
> >>would really like to divorce myself permanently from Windows...
> >
> >There isn't anything like Exchange for Linux, but its just a pop
client, so
> >you can use anything. You won't be able see ms post office messages
with
> >another client though, but the post office is waste because of E-mail
now.
>
>
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