Linux-Misc Digest #294, Volume #20 Fri, 21 May 99 18:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Can't communicate through 2nd NIC ("Steve Snyder")
Re: SETI comparisons ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: DTP software anyone? ("D. Vrabel")
Re: PHB ammunition - microsoft hate links (Robert Washburne)
Re: newbie question...plz answer~ (Mark Tranchant)
Re: SYS FILES:another nwebie question!!! (Mark Tranchant)
Re: NT the best web platform? (John Hascall)
new kernel under RH6? ("Piers B.")
RedHat 5.2 install. SMB and FTP options dont work. ("Avnish Gupta")
Re: TTF fonts under Linux (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Mindcraft may be partly right about Apache (James Lee)
Re: Commercially speaking....?
Re: Cannot access modem (jason)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (James Lee)
Re: w and who, how do I re-install (Johan Kullstam)
Re: WordPerfect 8 & Printers (Johan Kullstam)
Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page (William Wueppelmann)
a quick newbie question... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pine and files (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?) (id
est)
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From: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Can't communicate through 2nd NIC
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:32:50 -0400 (EST)
Reply-To: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I am attempting to configure my server (RedHat v5.2 /w kernel v2.2.9) to
act as a gateway to @Home through a cable modem.
Apart from any name resolution issues that I have not yet addressed, I
can't even communicate through the 2nd NIC using a static IP address. Note
that I am not yet trying to communicate across my LAN, but to just
establish communications locally on the server with the Internet via the
cable modem.
Attempting to ping @Home's name server (IP = 24.4.162.33) fails. The ping
just hangs until killed. Attempts to telnet to the same IP address gets me
the message "Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host". Hmm...
Device eth0 (IP = 192.168.0.12) is connected to my LAN's hub and has been
working all alone. Device eth1 (IP = 24.4.162.173, assigned by @Home) is
the NIC connected to the cable modem. The LEDs on the 3Com USR cable modem
indicate that it is communicating with my NIC and that it recognizes the
signal on the coax cable.
Here is where I'm at:
At boot time
==========
eth0: 3Com 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0xe400, 00:10:4b:9a:82:e5, IRQ 11
8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface.
MII transceiver found at address 24, status 786d.
MII transceiver found at address 0, status 786d.
Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives.
eth1: 3Com 3c900 Boomerang 10Mbps Combo at 0xe800, 00:60:97:c8:01:c8, IRQ 10
8K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/10baseT interface.
Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives.
#cat /etc/sysconfig/network
=======================
NETWORKING=yes
FORWARD_IPV4=yes
HOSTNAME="corona.snydernet.lan"
DOMAINNAME=snydernet.lan
GATEWAY=24.4.162.173
GATEWAYDEV=eth1
#cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
=======================================
DEVICE="eth0"
IPADDR="192.168.0.12"
NETMASK="255.255.255.0"
NETWORK=192.168.0.0
BROADCAST=192.168.0.255
ONBOOT="yes"
BOOTPROTO="none"
#cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
=======================================
DEVICE="eth1"
IPADDR="24.4.162.173"
NETMASK="255.255.255.0"
ONBOOT="yes"
BOOTPROTO="none"
#netstat -nr
==========
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface
192.168.0.12 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0
24.4.162.173 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth1
192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
24.4.162.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo
0.0.0.0 24.4.162.173 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1
Can someone advise me on what to configure just to get basic communications
going? If there's any info missing from above I would happily provide it.
Thank you.
***** Steve Snyder *****
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SETI comparisons
Date: 21 May 1999 13:46:34 GMT
Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got about a dozen machines currently running Distributed.net's
> RC5 cracker that I'm about to migrate over to the SETI project. I
> should get a nice cross section of performance numbers under NT
> and linux (K6-233 to dual PIII-500).
I'd be very interested to have you run both the win client (with both
processors, maybe even at normal priority) and the linux client on the
dual PIII box and post the results here. I've got dual PII-450's/512 MB RAM,
but I have too much real work to do to leave the machine in NT long enough
for it to do a whole work-unit. Plus, leaving the win client at
normal priority on both processors makes NT _very_ unresponsive.
--
====================================
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DTP software anyone?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:44:04 +0100
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Paul Jimbo Duncan G7KES wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to convince my Dad that Linux is a good idea. He's getting
> close to accepting it, but I just need to find some desktop publishing
> software for him. Does anyone have any suggestions? He's currently using
> Serif Page Plus.
A quick search turned up
http://www.axene.com/english/xclamation.html
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: Robert Washburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PHB ammunition - microsoft hate links
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:36:29 -0400
Ken Williams wrote:
>
> Over the past long time I've collected a bunch of pro linux/hate ms links.
> There are as follows for those who give a damn.
>
Great stuff!!
But some of the links came back 404'ed.
Any chance for a cleaned-up list?
Thanks again!
--
Bob Washburne
610-939-3551 (office) 610-939-6058 (fax)
800-759-8888 1636840# (pager)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie question...plz answer~
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:10:02 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/etc/inittab is read by init to find out what files to run for which
runlevel. These files are usually in /etc/rc.d or similar.
Mark.
pikachu73 wrote:
>
> herro...
>
> Me use dos til now... switched to linux a few weeks back. Like it very
> much. Have even managed to get sound going and upgrade kernel to
> 2.2.9.... kinda proud of myself and kinda pissed cuz i had to read so
> many docs, mans, faqs, howtos, user's guides and newsgroups to get
> pppd, kernel, sound going.
>
> Enjoying self mutilation as I do, i am trying to change the boot
> sequence of my OS now.
>
> Like in dos... all i gotta do is change the config.sys and
> autoexec.bat files... and in win i can just edit the registry but I
> have no idea which files linux goes through at boot
>
> could anyone plz tell me the which files linux reads and in which
> order?
>
> thx in advance
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SYS FILES:another nwebie question!!!
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:10:38 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Most important system files have associated man files.
Mark.
pikachu73 wrote:
>
> in addition to my earlier question about boot files... can anyone
> point me to someplace that describes the function of each system file
> in linux?
>
> I like doing sys maintenance by hand and would like to know which
> files are relevent to which tasks...
>
> thx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hascall)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 21 May 1999 14:03:28 GMT
Carrer Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}Benoit Goudreault-Emond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}>The Ghost In }>The Machine wrote:
}>> Hmm..this gets ugly. Of course, Apache may not cache static web
}>> content (read: files), but the operating system may well do so
}>> (Linux, in particular, has a built-in file cache; RAM that would
}>> otherwise be unsed is actually doing something useful -- and it's
}>> far quicker to fetch a file into RAM when it's already *in* RAM,
}>> after all :-) ).
}>Then again, NT caches files as well, so the OS cache should be about
}>equivalent. However, the webserver knows better what to cache (or so one
}>would think), so it might reserve away memory that would be used for caching
}>some other stuff. IIS does that, AFAIK, but Apache doesn't. Hence my
}>comment.
} An OS doen't cache a "file", but inodes :) The web cache don't look if
} the file has changed on the disk :-)
I don't know about NT, but Unix certainly does cache the
data blocks of files. And typically the web cache does
look if the file has changed *sometimes*. Typically
something rougly like:
request = cacheLookup(path);
if (request != NULL) {
if ((now - request->stat_time) < cache_slop) {
return request->data; /* saved a 'stat' syscall */
}
request->stat_time = now;
stat(request->fd, &request->stat);
if (request->mtime == request->stat.st_mtime) {
return request->data;
}
request->mtime = request->stat.st_mtime;
/* cached data is stale */
} else {
/* not in cache, init a request struct, put it in cache */
}
/* load (new copy) of data into request->data */
(error checking, cache size mgmt, FDcaching, etc omitted for clarity)
John
--
John Hascall, Software Engr. Shut up, be happy. The conveniences you
ISU Computation Center demanded are now mandatory. -Jello Biafra
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.cc.iastate.edu/staff/systems/john/index.html <=- the usual crud
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From: "Piers B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: new kernel under RH6?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:24:50 +1000
What is with the scripting on the start up of RH6?
I go to update my kernel to the latest of 2.2.x and when I reboot I get this
failed crap being sprouted cause some script in RH6 which earlier versions
didn't have, doesn't update with the kernel.
RH what are you doing?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
Piers B.
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From: "Avnish Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat 5.2 install. SMB and FTP options dont work.
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:35:06 +0530
I am trying to install Red Hat Linux 5.2 using the following options:
SMB option:
I have shared the cdrom on a WIN98 machine giving read only access to
everyone. The IP address of this machine is 192.168.103.50. and the name is
xyz. After using supplemental disk and partitioning i configured my network
adapter. For network configuration i chose the following options:
IP Address: 192.168.103.144
Netmask: 255.255.255.0 (same as that of WIN98 machine)
Default Gateway: 192.168.103.144
Primary Nameserver: 192.168.103.144
Domain Name: pqr
Host Name: abc.pqr
Secondary Name Server: None
Tertiary Name Server: None
SMB Server Name: xyz
Share Volume: cdrom
Account Name: None
Password: None
After this configuration i get the message "I could not mount that directory
from the server". The only way to come out of this is Ctrl+Alt+Del.
Ping to Linux machine gives the following output:
Pinging 192.168.103.144 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.103.144: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.103.144: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.103.144: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.103.144: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Ping statistics for 192.168.103.144:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 1ms
What could be wrong?
FTP option:
I have a WINNT 4.0 machine (Name: def, IP address 192.168.103.254, Subnet
Mask 255.255.255.0) which is a FTP server. Its cdrom is made a Virtual
Directory with name /cdrom. I have allowed read only anonymous access to
this.
After using supplemental disk and partitioning i configured my network
adapter. For network configuration i chose the following options this time:
IP Address: 192.168.103.135
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.103.135
Primary Nameserver: 192.168.103.135
Domain Name: pqr
Host Name: abc.pqr
Secondary Name Server: None
Tertiary Name Server: None
FTP Site Name: 192.168.103.254
Red Hat Directory: cdrom
i didnt choose the option "use non-anonymous FTP or a Proxy Server"
After this i was prompted for the list of packages to install and i chose
everything.
I got the message "I cannot get file
cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/setup-1.9.2-1.noarch.rpm: File not found on Server". When
i clicked OK i got the message "I m having trouble getting %s. Should i keep
trying?" I selected No. This time i got the message "I cannot get file
cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/filesystem-1.3.2-3.noarch.rpm: File not found on Server".
And so on. The only way to come out of this is Ctrl+Alt+Del.
When i used the follwing command "dir setup*.*" on my cdrom using my WINNT
4.0 machine i got the following list of files:
setup-1.9
setuptool-1.0-1
and the command "dir file*.*" gave me the following results:
file-3.25-2
filesystem-1.3
fileutils-3.16-10
When i use "ftp 192.168.103.254" from my WIN98 machine which i mentioned in
the SMB option i can login using the following information:
User: anonymous
Password: none
Here i can browse all my directories. I used the following command "cd
/cdrom/redhat/rpms" and it worked well. It also displays the list of rpm
packages using the command ls. But here also the same names are displayed
which i saw using the command "dir *.*" on my WINNT machine.
Pinging my Linux machine from my WINNT machine gives the following result:
Pinging 192.168.103.135 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.103.135: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.103.135: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.103.135: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.103.135: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=64
What could be wrong?
I am not a regular visitor to newsgroups so please cc at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanx in advance.
Avnish Gupta
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TTF fonts under Linux
Date: 21 May 1999 09:39:48 -0400
"Tomas FRYDRYCH" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:
> Is it possible to use Windows TTF fonts on Linux? I am keen to
> leave the Windows platform, but I have tones of documents that
> use specialised ttf fonts, for which I am certain that I will not be
> able to get replacements. Is there any way that Win fonts can be
> used on Linux?
sort of.
there is a true-type font server for x. xfstt i think it's called.
hence, you can get them to show up on your screen.
not sure how to get the true-types to print. you can convert
true-type to type1 with some utility of which i forget the name. the
full version of word perfect may be able to use the type1s. i haven't
figured out how to add fonts despite a couple of hours trying.
> (If you reply to this message, I would appreciate if you send a copy
> to the human readable address in the author header. Thanks.)
sorry. if you will not use a real address in the proper header field,
you run the risk of not getting e-mail replies.
--
johan kullstam
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mindcraft may be partly right about Apache
Date: 21 May 1999 16:38:03 -0500
Mindcraft said NT was 3-4 x faster than Linux.
Other indepedent test by Infoworld, PC Week, etc
suggests that Linux is slower by only 25%,
and that is serving Win9x clients, not NT clients.
Linux beats NT when serving NT clients.
All sorts of exaggeration by Mindcraft.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:40:57 -0700
On Thu, 20 May 1999 13:17:30 +0100, Phil Bousfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I am part of a commercial company looking at how to get into the Linux
>market.
>
>I have a few questions, and would be grateful for anyone who can spare the
>time to give some constructive feedback.
>
>(1) What is the right model(s) for a commercial company to market Linux
>products in the storage management space?
>(2) What model(s) should we avoid?
>(3) What source code access is appropriate or necessary?
Determine what is your core strength, that thing which
your product does that adds value. Keep that proprietary
and release everything else you can GPL or LGPL.
Any source releases should be copylefted so that you can
prevent competitors from benefiting from that source to
your detriment.
Releasing as much of your non-core product as you can to
the community will allow you to focus on your core strength
and allow you to eliminate some of your development burden.
If you release source, don't try to come up with some
bastardized new licence. Use a trusted standard licence.
This should pretty much avoid the 'Apple' or 'kde/qt'
problem.
--
Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cannot access modem
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:46:42 -0400
Jason Bond wrote:
>
> When I try and run minicom as a user I get this:
>
> (jbond@blah: ~) minicom
> minicom: cannot open /dev/modem: Permission denied
>
> and the permissions of /dev/modem are:
>
> (jbond@blah: ~) ls -l /dev/modem
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root uucp 4 Apr 24 18:54 /dev/modem ->
> cua2
What are the permissions of /dev/cua2 ? Symbolic links always show "full"
permissions, but what really matters are the permissions of the files/directories
they point to.
-jason
(to reply via email, make the appropriate substitution in my email address)
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: 21 May 1999 16:43:25 -0500
In comp.os.linux.misc Daniel Robert Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: OK, you can buy a thing called "Executor":
: http://www.ardi.com
: It's not freeware but it *does* work, and there is a free time-limited
: demo (5 or 10 minutes I think). $35 US for students for the Linux version.
: It runs surprisingly quickly.
don't bet on it. The students here had to program in 68K assembly
using Fantasm. However, they limited Mac machines that crashed like
crazy, so the instructors tried out executor in Linx.
It didn't work. So the poor students ended up fighting over limited
machines.
:>2. Buy a Macintosh and dual boot with Linux/MacOS
: This is also a viable option, but somewhat more expensive :)
Might save the most headache because some of the things may not work
otherwise, and then these students probably want to concentrate on
learning and getting their A's instead of fighting over something not
their fault. Of course, the hackers among them would find it fun.
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: w and who, how do I re-install
Date: 21 May 1999 09:43:49 -0400
"David Daschofsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> my webserver was hacked a while back and no longer displays any info
> when you type who, or w, why is that and how do I fix it?
i hope you have a back-up. it's time to wipe that installation[1]
and put a fresh one in its place.
[1] mkfs should redo your filesystem and let you start from scratch.
you can leave your partition boundries if you like the way they are
now.
--
johan kullstam
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & Printers
Date: 21 May 1999 09:55:46 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hong) writes:
> Some people may or may not know this, but with WP8 for Linux you
> can just use Corel's stock printer drivers housed at
> ftp://ftp.corel.ca/pub/printdrivers/wp6x
> There is a !index.txt there that will list all the printers their
> drivers support. Download the necessary one, unzip it the .exe file and
> then stick the *.all file into your /shared/wpc20 directory somewhere (I
> think). These drivers work under any WP of any platform, for example even
> WP5 for OS/2 can use the drivers in the wp5x directory.
all platforms? really? my old man is using wp v2 on a ti xt 8088 dos
box. i see they also have a version for the macintosh platform. they
have something about unix (as opposed to linux i386 libc5), but i am
not sure what platforms are supported. it's more than just sco since
they claim not to ship an old netscape navigator for the sco version.
will these drivers really work? my father in particular would be
interested since he has no driver for any laser printers with his
ancient wordperfect installation.
> These drivers won't work for WinPrinters, however. Your printer
> manual should come with the various emulations or whatnot if your
> particular printer is not listed. HP lists for the 695/697 to use the
> 660C (or 600C/850C) driver for instance. Canon 4300/4400 could use the
> 4200.
btw how do i add fonts to wordperfect? i have purchased a copy of wp
and have a dead tree manual but there are no instructions for adding
fonts.
--
johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:38:02 GMT
In our last episode (20 May 1999 03:08:55 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Scott Lanning said:
>William Wueppelmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: Vi is fast and efficient.
>
>Okay, I grant that vi is fast to start-up, but once you've gone
>through the launch sequence (3, 2, 1...and we have liftoff) for
>the emacs operating system, then you can leave it running; no
>need to leave emacs..
What I meant was that the actual editing in vi is very efficient. It has a
much smaller command set than emacs (and commands are almost always bound
to the same keys, and most commands are single keystrokes and require no
modifier keys) but the commands are very efficient at editing text. You
can move to any arbitrary poin in a document using only a few keystrokes,
and you can delete an arbitrary region with the same kind of speed. I find
that in vi, you can edit much faster than you can think about what you want
to do, so the editor doesn't impede the editing process, except in a few
well-known circumstances, such as inserting a single character.
The size and startup speed aren't really a problem on a workstation (though
using emacs on a loaded system can start to annoy some of the other users
;-)
>Hmm, I suspect it depends alot on how one originally learned each
>text editor. I found emacs more intuitive and easy to learn.
I suspect you are correct. I also think that you need a different mindset
when using the two editors (or any other editor for that matter). Vi is
strongly line-oriented, whereas to emacs, a newline is often just another
character.
There is also a big difference between someone who knows the basic editing
commands in vi and someone who knows the "secrets" of how to use vi
efficiently. The same is true with emacs, but emacs has a lot more
secrets, and to really use it effectively, you need to do at least a little
bit of lisp programming.
>: It is modal, allowing it to avoid using too many modifier keys or
>
>I think emacs is modal, or maybe hierarchical is a better word for it.
>The commands are grouped (somewhat) in hierarchies, so it's easy to
>remember. I understand the dislike of using keys outside the homerow,
>but I found when I tried vi that I often had to hit ESC-SHIFT-; to enter
>command mode, and that was annoying too. Maybe I was doing it wrong.
>It seems like two modes was more confusing.
One of the keys to using vi is to plan your editing so that you don't
switch back and forth between modes. Vi doesn't excel at text input, but
at text editing. It's not as convenient to fix your mistakes on the fly in
vi as it is in emacs, unless you're just backspacing over a word or
character; it's harder to fix the mistake you noticed two lines up, or to
go back 5 words and insert a word you missed. With vi, you're better off
to continue typing and then go back at the end and fix all of the mistakes,
which requires minimal switching of modes.
>: others). It provides efficient and flexible interaction with other
>: applications, allowing you to use programs like ispell, fmt, tr and
>: others to modify an active document.
>
>C-u M-| = pipe "region" through shell command
There was a discussion in comp.editors about how to do this on an arbitrary
region. The problem with emacs is selecting the region in the first place.
In vi, to send a region to, say, tr, it's simple, regardless of your
current position. For example:
entire document
:%!tr a-z A-Z
from here to the line matching regexp
:,/regexp/!tr a-z A-Z
from the previous line matching expr1 to the next line matching expr2
:?expr1?,/expr2/!tr a-z A-Z
entire current paragraph
{!}tr a-z A-Z
beginning of current paragraph to the end of the document
{!Gtr a-z A-Z
And so forth. You can use ex to describe the range of lines to send to the
shell command, or vi to describe the structural range to send to the shell.
But I suppose that the real point is that vi relies on the rest of the
standard Unix system rather than tries to duplicate the functionality of
already extant programs that a typical Unix user already knows and which
are quite powerful. Emacs arguably provides the best of both worlds, at
least in some sense, except that, personally, I'm not particularly excited
by the benefits of the monolithic application world, so that's not a big
selling point for me.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: a quick newbie question...
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:17:37 GMT
I'm getting ready to take the plunge into the fellowship of Linux users
and need one bit of advice. I've read docs and FAQs until I'm blue in
the face and am still unsure about one thing.
I have distributions of Debian GNU/Linux 2.1, Mandrake Linux 5.3 and
Linux Pro 5.4 all on CD-Rom. I'll be installing Linux on my 2nd physical
drive and Win95 will reside on my 1st physical (boot) drive. I'll be
using Linux for general home computing with a little business thrown in
for good measure. Will also be doing a bit of web surfing and IRC.
My question is this: Of the three distributions I have on hand, which
would be the least stressful to install and get up and running? Or
should I use a different distribution than what I have?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Marc Flenar
Confirmed Linux newbie and Linux wannabe.....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Pine and files
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:38:02 GMT
In our last episode (Wed, 19 May 1999 11:16:53 -0400),
the artist formerly known as guest said:
>
>NN wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I use Pine 4.10 (delivered with Redhat v60) and when Pine is launched for
>> the first time, Pine creates a directory ~/mail/. and put the config files
>> in ~/. I would like to put the messages in ~/mailandnews/mail/. and the
>> config files in ~/mailandnews/. How can I make this possible. I've read
>> several HOWTO's and man-pages, but I can't find the solution.
>>
>Try modifying .pinerc in your / dir. That should have the cust. options
>your looking for
That will let you change the default mailbox directory (and BTW, you can
create mailboxes anywhere you like). But if you want the .pinerc file
itself to reside in a directory other than ~ (which is what it sounds
like), you will probably need to recompile the source or you will have to
invoke pine as
pine -p ~/mailandnews/mail/.pinerc
You could alias something to that command to make it easier to type.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (id est)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:02:09 GMT
>Yeah, thought so. Maybe FreeBSD's "rise and fall" cannot be calculated
>because most users of FreeBSD aren't rabid pitbulls who insist that anything
>other than Linux is evil and should be shunned? Perhaps FreeBSD users are
>quiet and dignified about their choice of operating system.
How soon we forget. I seem to remember a LOT of mudslinging between
the Freebsd and Netbsd camps, though perhaps not as much as between
Netbsd and Openbsd, with all sides claiming Technical and Moral Superiority.
Eventually everybody calmed down, well mostly everybody, but look! here come
the evil SysV-ish mutants! Everyone grab some mud! Get 'em! CHAAAAARRGE!
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