Linux-Misc Digest #346, Volume #20 Tue, 25 May 99 17:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Winzip utility (Matthew Bafford)
Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results (Armin Steinhoff)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Scott)
Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results (Armin Steinhoff)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Tim Sutherland)
Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!! (David Damerell)
Get my Linux box on Net!!!!!!! - PPP problems ("The RZA")
MySQL 3.22.22 confusion... installed from source code... ("discussion group")
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Marco Antoniotti)
Re: "modprobe: can't locate module pf-3" (Michael McConnell)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Bafford)
Subject: Re: Linux Winzip utility
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:07:13 GMT
On Tue, 25 May 1999 19:30:07 +0000, Kevin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
held some poor sysadmin at gun point while typing in the following:
: Is anyone aware of a utility for linux which understands ".zip" files?
^
: It would be awfully convienent if I could unzip files created by Winzip
^^^^^
: (in WinX environment of course) in linux.
If you've got a RedHat box, you've probably got them, too.
Dunno about other distributions.
: Thanks in advance,
HTH,
: Kevin
--Matthew
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From: Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.realtime,comp.arch.embedded
Subject: Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results
Date: 25 May 1999 11:54:33 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mav" says...
>
>This bozo is just trying to start a flame war....
>
>Kill this thread now and maybe he'll go play by himself somewhere.
This tread doesn't start a 'flame war' .... it shows just facts, if you like
these facts or not.
It raised up just the question about the real performance of the NT server.
Must the NT server be compared with a simple LINUX machine which runs with a
_single-threaded_ RAID driver to show some performance differences ???
Just a dumb question :-)
Armin
>
>jsnyder wrote in message <7ieb4h$j79$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Talk about BRAIN DEAD. Out of the box Solaris will barely drive a VGA
>>screen, let alone having any useful drivers for other stuff.
>>
>>BobX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> Linux is only a TOY, and NT is a total JOKE. You guys should check out
>>> Solaris.
>>>
>>> if you guys are driving hardware not supported under Solaris, the
>>> hardware is too new (ergo not tested), or is bad.
>>>
>>> period.
>>>
>>> BobX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tewpin Andrey (����� ������) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 1. In comp.arch.embedded it isn't so interesting...
>>> > 2.Yes. Linux has some problems with threads...
>>> > 3.Yes. Linux hasn't problems with drivers for newest devices...(no
>>drivers -
>>> > no problems).
>>> >
>>> > At7
>>> >
>>> > P.S. Don't worry. Linux's enough good OS w/o any tests...
>>> >
>>> > A. Steinhoff wrote <7idvj0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...
>>> > >
>>> > >Bruce Weiner wrote in his rebuttal:
>>> > > "Setting the Record Straight: Where ABCnews.com Got It Right and
>>Wrong":
>>> > >
>>> > > "2.Mindcraft used a server with a MegaRAID controller
>>> > > with a beta driver (which was the latest version
>>> > > available at the time of the test) while the PC Week
>>> > > server used an eXtremeRAID controller with a fully
>>> > > released driver. The MegaRAID driver was single
>>> > > threaded while the eXtremeRAID driver was
>>> > > multi-threaded."
>>> > >
>>> > >That means that these Mindcraft guys were aware that they have tested
>>> > >the LINUX performance with a BETA DRIVER for the MegaRAID controller
>>and
>>> > >they were aware that this beta driver was just a SINGLE-THREADED
>>driver!!
>>> > >
>>> > >It's evident that the multi-threaded NT driver for the MegaRAID
>>controller
>>> > >has a much better performance under havy load as a single-threaded
>>> > >driver ... so their so called test results are very dubiuos and
>rigged.
>>> > >
>>> > >As Lincoln said:"One can cheat the poeple .. but only for a limited
>>time"
>>> > >
>>> > >Armin
>>> > >
>>
>>
>
>
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From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:50:51 -0500
Michael David Jones wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Dowell) writes:
> >>Yeah, tactical nuclear warheads and rocket-propelled grenades. Or were
> >>you thinking of something different?
> >I don't know what was meant, but I have to add my two cents whenever
> >people start proclaiming the omnipotence of the modern military.
>
> >>What do you plan to do when the tyrannical government you want to protect
> >>yourself from sends tanks to roll over you?
> >The idea is don't form a line of red coats standing out in a field with
> >shotguns waiting for the armored division to roll over you. Pick your
> >battles and keep at it. A rag-tag band of Vietnamese farmers did pretty
> >well against the mighty United States military. They just were a little
> >smarter than the people who think that wars should be fought as they were
> >in the eighteenth century.
>
> Yeah, all they had were their wits and the Russian and Chinese
> governments arming them.
>
> >>What will you do against an Apache helicopter?
> >There's a couple of things. Small arms fire air defense does work,
> >especially against slow-movers. Getting them on the ground is probably
> >the best bet -- sabotage.
>
> >>What will you do against an elite commando unit?
> >Nothing. The idea is to wait until they're a bunch of drunken grunts
> >screwing hookers and then quietly walk up and put a bullet in the back
> >of their heads.
>
> Life's a lot simpler when you assume you're smarter than everybody
> else.
>
> >>Any *sane* person knows they don't have a snowball's chance in hell.
> >History speaks otherwise. Perhaps all of those folks who fought against
> >huge odds were nutcases. They can and do win, though, if they are
> >more determined than their enemies.
>
> Most of those folks who fought against huge odds are corpses.
>
> Mike Jones | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I'm very good at integral and differential calculus,
> I know the scientific names of beings animalculous;
> In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
> I am the very model of a modern Major-General.
Mike,
It's pretty amazing that you tell of how a small band of armed men
can't win against bigger force, but your signature tells different!
You have a QUOTE from "The Pirates of Penzanze". In that show didn't
the Pirates, a small band of armed men, defeat the Cops, a bigger force
and better backed????
Yes, it is a musical, but one would think that your views are reflected
by what you sign your responses with!
Scott
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From: Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.realtime,comp.arch.embedded
Subject: Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results
Date: 25 May 1999 08:18:32 -0700
In article <7ie85g$jm3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tewpin says...
>
>1. In comp.arch.embedded it isn't so interesting...
Nothing heard about 'embedded NT' ? ... embedded LINUX ??
>2.Yes. Linux has some problems with threads...
No ... there are multi-threaded driver of RAID systems for LINUX.
Why has Mindcraft choosen a single-threaded beta driver for the LINUX benchmark?
Was it choosen by chance ?? I don't think so ...
>3.Yes. Linux hasn't problems with drivers for newest devices...(no drivers -
>no problems).
... there is some changing :-)
Armin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Sutherland)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: 25 May 1999 20:34:28 GMT
In article <374994b4$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Olson wrote:
>An even better example is the Sendmail company. How they are getting away
>with this level of proprietariness with the GPL is beyond me.
>
>Didn't you know the GPL allows this?
It's because Sendmail is not GPL'ed.
--
Getting the job done is no excuse for not following the rules.
Corollary:
Following the rules will not get the job done.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!!
Date: 25 May 1999 17:34:20 +0100 (BST)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gilles Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell) �crivait/wrote:
>>Debian installations tend to talk back to you. "I have created the file
>>/etc/foobar", that kind of thing. There hasn't been the same effort to
>>hide the details as with the commercial distributions.
>I can imagine the flash in the pan on the screen. Gee, I must be
>getting old! Does anybody here remember a concept known as "learn as
>you go"? Kind of after the installation of the kernel, you check to
>see what's in /dev. Then you explain you need to specify a directory
>as a mounting point. You "mkdir /usr" and mount hda2 there.
Well, Debian does speak in terms more or less like this; create
partitions, make filesystems, pick mount points. Have you ever installed
it?
>No. I don't care about the version numbers but about the kernel and
>librairies installed.
>A friend told me yesterday that Debian's 2.1 has been on freeze since
>November and that it is probably as stable as Redhat 6.0 by now...
>though it might not offer as many, how should I put it... novelties.
This is dramatically inaccurate, I'm afraid. 2.1 moved from 'frozen' to
'stable' in March; 2.2 should be frozen pretty soon now. I haven't yet
looked at RedHat 6, but if it's of the same quality as 5.0, I imagine that
Debian 2.2 is already more stable, let alone 2.1.
>From an �outside� observer's pov, it does seem that the 2.2 kernel
>should be due pretty soon now. Can we agree on this or do you figure
>it could be out only next september ;-)
Debian 2.1 (and 2.0 with a few upgrades) will run a 2.2 kernel just fine;
Debian 2.2 will contain 2.2 kernels. What's the problem?
>>Debian are well ahead in terms of the quantity
>>of software that forms the distribution; about a factor of 3 more than Red
>>Hat.
>"Factor of 3"? I've got a hard time evaluating this.
I don't understand the problem. Red Hat i386 is c. 500Mb of binaries;
Debian is c. 1,500Mb.
--
David/Kirsty Damerell. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CUWoCS President. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/ Hail Eris!
|___| "Life is short and love is always over in the morning." |___|
| | | Temple of Love - The Sisters of Mercy. | | |
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From: "The RZA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.dial-up,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,at.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Get my Linux box on Net!!!!!!! - PPP problems
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:06:36 +0100
Help,
please help me to further my 11 month love affair with Linux by getting my
box on the Net. I have just finished University for the year and would
really like to use linux to get upto speed in such things as Oracle 8, C++
and Java. All this is being hampered because when I need Net info, I have to
reboot in WINDOZE.
I have a Diamond 56i ISA modem (NOT a winmodem). It will dial out O.K.
(tested under minicom) but using the scripts I have knocked together the
line just drops after 1-2 mins. HELP ME. I am desperate. Below is a sample
of my /var/log/message file.
P.S. Does anyone understand the expressions:-
Not eight bit clean
All 7th bit set to zero
?
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From: "discussion group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MySQL 3.22.22 confusion... installed from source code...
Crossposted-To:
redhat.hardware.arch.intel,redhat.general,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.databases,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:31:02 GMT
# cd /tmp ; wget
http://www.mysql.org/Downloads/MySQL-3.22/mysql-3.22.22.tar.gz ; tar -zxvf
mysql-3.22.22.tar.gz ; cd mysql-3.22.22 ; ./configure ; make ; make install
I downloaded, compiled and installed MySQL v3.22.22 all with one command
and no errors on my Redhat 6.0 Linux system. Now is where the confusion
starts:
1) PHP 3.0.8 needs you to specify a path for including MySQL support upon
compilation. i.e., --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql (/usr/local/mysql/include
being the header files for MySQL). That doesn't work because they're in
/usr/local/include/mysql/ now.
2) I can't figure out how to start MySQL like I did the last time I used
Redhat 5.2 and installed MySQL via the binary tar.gz'ed distribution to
/usr/local/mysql and it included a "configure" script which started up the
server and everything.
What I am trying to do after all this is complete is get WWWThreads v3.5.1
going so I can have an online discussion forum on my webserver. Anyone
know of a binary RPM for WWWThreads 3.5.1 for Redhat 6.0?
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From: Marco Antoniotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 25 May 1999 18:40:48 +0200
COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC AGAIN.
Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Marco Antoniotti wrote:
>
> >You are not the lender. And an individual should be able to know what
> >is known about him/herself. An information gathering agency,
> >especially if private, should not have *any* right whatsoever to keep
> >information about an individual, without allowing the individual the
> >"right to know".
>
> That's very much a matter of opinion. They aren't doing you any harm
> - surely what they do, in private, behind closed doors is none of your
> business.
It is the moment I get junk mail in *my* mailbox (and spam in my mail
reader). It is the moment I get a loan denied because of false
information gathered about my financial situation.
> It's a very short step from 'you shouldn't have *any* right to keep
> information' to 'you shouldn't have *any* right to hold secret
> meetings' or 'you shouldn't have *any* right to distribute damaging
> information about a person'.
I am not advocating this "short step". I am not even discussing
technicalities here, and, above all, I wrote something different in
the conclusion of my posting: i.e. that you need regulation, and that
regulation should protect the individual, first and then the interest
of private enterprise. Note that my full sentence was qualified: I
did not say "you shouldn't have *any* right to keep information". I
said "you shouldn't have *any* right to keep information about an
individual without allowing the individual the right to know". If an
individual *chooses* not to know, that's his/her business, I do not
care. I care if I cannot know something about me held by private
enterprise over which, as I said, I have little or no control
(certainly less than over an elected official).
It is a matter of degrees. Individuals should be protected against the
greater powers of business. It is a "do ut des". Goverments should
enforce this protection and should protect the indivduals againts
themselves as well. Always remembering that you have more control
over an elected official. Unless you live in one of those countries
where democracy is at the 40% level :) or less.
Cheers
--
Marco Antoniotti ===========================================
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From: Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "modprobe: can't locate module pf-3"
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:44:19 +0100
On Tue, 25 May 1999, Timothy J. Lee wrote:
> When booting, a Linux kernel 2.0.36 computer gives messages like
>
> modprobe: can't locate module pf-3
> modprobe: can't locate module pf-6
in etc/conf.modules, add:
alias pf-3 off
alias pf-6 off
...that oughta put a sock in it for you :)
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell [Red Hat 6.0 Available!]
Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
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