Linux-Misc Digest #348, Volume #20 Tue, 25 May 99 20:13:17 EDT
Contents:
Re: Wireless keyboard works!!! (Jacek Pliszka)
Re: Linux Winzip utility (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: how to kill a dead process? (Steve)
FA =Using Linux= book, Bill Ball, Que Publ. (Angus MacDonald)
Re: statically linked ls binary (Seth Van Oort)
Re: Desktop items and suse login ?? (nails)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Craig Dowell)
Can't get Netscape 4.08 to run (Ron Gibson)
Re: Iomega products and Linux (Sylvia Wong)
Re: RH 6, sndconfig, sound balster 16 PnP ("CHAN Kin Poon")
Re: Fun things to do with an extra linux box (Jeremiah)
Re: Zip Code Dealer Locator software available ("Bud Jay")
Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results (Judah Diament)
Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem and 2.2.5 ? (Michael Kalisz)
print with HPDeskjet870Cxi (benjamin)
Re: Odd Question (Frank Hahn)
Re: Printer question (David Graham)
statically linked ls binary ("Ted George")
Perl & Html ("Alex")
Re: * * * Mindcraft offer to re-run Linux vs NT test (brian moore)
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From: Jacek Pliszka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Wireless keyboard works!!!
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:10:40 -0700
On Tue, 25 May 1999, Jason wrote:
> If anyone with driver programming experience decides to try and make a
> driver for these "hot keys", PLEASE LET ME KNOW! This would be a great
> addition.
Programming keys under Xwindows is easy.
Read the documentatuin.
Programs you need to know:
xev - run it , move mouse on it, press hot key to lear its hardware
keycode
xmodmap - make the mapping from hardware code to software code
Then just teach your window manager how to act when it receives
key with given software code. You may start some application
or send some keys/mouse events to running one.
Xwindows are VERY customizable.
Hope this helps,
Jacek
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: Linux Winzip utility
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:13:47 GMT
Kevin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|Is anyone aware of a utility for linux which understands ".zip" files?
|It would be awfully convienent if I could unzip files created by Winzip
|(in WinX environment of course) in linux.
There's a freeware utility called InfoZip (executables called zip and
unzip). Some Linux distributions include it.
--
========================================================================
Timothy J. Lee timlee@
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to kill a dead process?
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:16:56 +0000
IMHO, 26725 is an extremely large PID. How come?
Marc Mutz wrote:
>
> Sam Steingold wrote:
> >
> > how do I get rid of this process:
> >
> > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
> > sds 26725 0.0 1.3 4808 3532 pts/2 D 12:54 0:00
>/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/egcs-2.91.66/cc1 /tmp/ccgcQxbp.i -
> >
> > (except by rebooting the machine, of course).
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Sam Steingold (http://www.goems.com/~sds) running RedHat6.0 GNU/Linux
> > Micros**t is not the answer. Micros**t is a question, and the answer is Linux,
> > (http://www.linux.org) the choice of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org) generation.
> > Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy disk?
> in 'top' hit k(ill) and use KILL for the signal (normally it's TERM,
> which only asks the process more or less kindly to terminate itself....)
> Or on the command line you could type `kill -9 <pid>`, i.e. 'kill -9
> 26725'
>
> Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Angus MacDonald)
Subject: FA =Using Linux= book, Bill Ball, Que Publ.
Date: 25 May 1999 19:05:21 GMT
Auction at:
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: statically linked ls binary
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:25:12 -0500
I could send you one. I just statically compiled ls, cp, rm, ln ... good
things to have. Otherwise you can get the fileutils SRPM and change the
flag to compile statically.
Seth
Ted George wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> does anyone know where to find a statically linked ls binary for a
> redhat-5.2 system. we are setting up chroot ftp and trying not to have to
> copy the libc.so.6 to each chrooted home dir for the dynamically linked ls
> to work properly.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> ted
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (nails)
Subject: Re: Desktop items and suse login ??
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:22:17 GMT
On Tue, 25 May 1999 12:14:11 +0200, David Goldstein
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Confused!" wrote:
>>
>> After installing suse 6.0, how can i reduce the size of my desktop
>> folders, taskbar, and the graphical suse login prompt which appear
>> twice the size than on a previous install??
>
>
> You need to edit your /etc/XF86Config file. It sounds like you are
>starting up in 640x480 mode. At the bottom of the config file, you will
>find the "Screen" section. You will notice the "Display" subsections,
>as well. When you look at the modes for the various depths, you will
>see "640x480" displayed first. Simply move this to the end of the
>line--or delete it entirley, if you do not want to use this mode.
> The GUI will start up with the first values that appear in the
>modeline that you have chosen. By the way, if you wish to start up in a
>different color depth than 8, you need to add the line
><DefaultColorDepth xx>. Do not use the <>'s and the default color depth
>is whatever you want to use and the graphics card can handle.
>
>David
Many thanks David!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Dowell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 25 May 1999 21:01:51 GMT
> >>Yeah, tactical nuclear warheads and rocket-propelled grenades. Or were
> >>you thinking of something different?
> >I don't know what was meant, but I have to add my two cents whenever
> >people start proclaiming the omnipotence of the modern military.
>
> >>What do you plan to do when the tyrannical government you want to protect
> >>yourself from sends tanks to roll over you?
> >The idea is don't form a line of red coats standing out in a field with
> >shotguns waiting for the armored division to roll over you. Pick your
> >battles and keep at it. A rag-tag band of Vietnamese farmers did pretty
> >well against the mighty United States military. They just were a little
> >smarter than the people who think that wars should be fought as they were
> >in the eighteenth century.
>
> Yeah, all they had were their wits and the Russian and Chinese
> governments arming them.
The original point made was that it was foolish to think that a bunch
of people with small arms could stand up against a modern army. History
has shown that they can. What difference does it make where the small
arms come from? Are you saying the South Vietnamese guerillas or even
the PAVN had tanks, attack aircraft and a fleet roaming the south engaging
our military on a 1:1 level? I remember bicycles and SKS rifles; what
war are you talking about?
>> >>What will you do against an Apache helicopter?
>> >There's a couple of things. Small arms fire air defense does work,
>> >especially against slow-movers. Getting them on the ground is probably
>> >the best bet -- sabotage.
>>
>> >>What will you do against an elite commando unit?
>> >Nothing. The idea is to wait until they're a bunch of drunken grunts
>> >screwing hookers and then quietly walk up and put a bullet in the back
>> >of their heads.
>>
>> Life's a lot simpler when you assume you're smarter than everybody
>> else.
Are you trying to make some kind of relevant point here, or are you just
reduced to this as your response?
> >>Any *sane* person knows they don't have a snowball's chance in hell.
> >History speaks otherwise. Perhaps all of those folks who fought against
> >huge odds were nutcases. They can and do win, though, if they are
> >more determined than their enemies.
>
> Most of those folks who fought against huge odds are corpses.
Sure. The body counts were huge. The big guns eventually tired and
went home, though, when mommies started getting flags back instead of
their little boys. I think casualties at Khe San during the Tet
Offensive were 200 Americans KIA vs. 15,000 NVA. Who runs the country
now, though? Why?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Gibson)
Subject: Can't get Netscape 4.08 to run
Date: 25 May 1999 22:59:08 GMT
I'm trying to install Communicator 4.08.
For some reason after trying everything I know how including using the
Nets script. When I try to invoke it in X I get
/netscape408/netscape no such file or directory
I've recursively changed mode on the whole directory to 777.
Even if I open MC in a shell under X and hit the enter key on netscape I
still get the same message.
I did use the ns-install script. Could that have caused some weird
problem?
Help!
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sylvia Wong)
Subject: Re: Iomega products and Linux
Date: 25 May 1999 23:02:36 GMT
Both the parallel port and atapi zip works perfectly under linux. The problem
is their "I don't care about you unix (incl linux) users" attitude. They don't
mention it in their manuals because they don't support it. I'm espescially
unhappy as they support OS/2 and Mac. I don't believe there're more OS/2 users
than all unixes added together.
--
Auckland research student, an endangered species.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://linux.ele.auckland.ac.nz/~swon074
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From: "CHAN Kin Poon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: RH 6, sndconfig, sound balster 16 PnP
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:28:13 +0800
I encountered the same problem with both 5.2 and 6.0. With 6.0 I did the
manual
configuration when sndconfig complains about the error in the conf file.
Try changing
the IRQ #. Mine works with IRQ 7 even though Windows uses IRQ 10. One
thing
though, the sound quality under 6.0 appears to be worse than with 5.2.
Thanks
CHAN Kin Poon (Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Dan Finn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I recently installed RedHat 6.0. I have a sound blaster 16 PnP. I was
> able to get this sound card to work with RedHat 5.2 using sndconfig so I
> was hoping that RH6 would work fine. When I ran sndconfig it detected
> the card as the right card, it then told me it was going to re-write a
> couple of files, it then complains about certain lines in the
> /etc/isapnp.conf file and not knowing what to do with a certain line. I
> tried it multiple times and even tried it with a different card and the
> same exact thing happened (it also detected that card fine). I tried to
> install the isapnptools and sndconfig packages off my RH 5.2 cd and
> sndconfig complained that it needed two library files that I didn't
> have. Any help would be really appreciated,
> Thanks
> Dan Finn
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: Fun things to do with an extra linux box
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:21:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerritt Baer) spake thusly:
> Well, I've found myself with an extra PII/266, and can't find a real
> use for the darn thing. I could install w95 on it to chain my pcs
> together so I can play quake2 with myself, but I was hoping to do
> something more useful/interesting with it. So i've installed SuSE 6.1
> on it yesterday and I'm trying to think of some interesting/fun things
> to do with the box. As, of now, it just sits there doing not much of
> anything :) Anyone have any good ideas?
Hmm... well, you could download a SETI@home client and help
search for ET... or you could help search for Mersenne primes...
Or you could always configure PPP on it... that's always fun. :)
I dunno... what do you use your other computer for, besides
games? I have a spare 486/100 that I'm planning to dedicate to CD
burning under Linux...
Brian
--
email to bmeloon1 at twcny dot rr dot com. evilquaker is a spam collector.
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From: "Bud Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zip Code Dealer Locator software available
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:26:50 -0500
Sorry, that's
Try it at http://jcsm.com/new/index.html or just
http://jcsm.com/new/
Bud Jay
Bud Jay wrote in message ...
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>www.jcsm.com
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From: Judah Diament <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.realtime,comp.arch.embedded
Subject: Re: Linux vs. NT performance / Mindcraft results
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:54:15 -0400
Sweeping statements like that usually are by definition wrong. Each OS
has its plusses and minuses. It happens to be that on average, NT, like
all MS products, is unreliable, and I cringe at the thought of
safety-critical apps running on NT (how do you verify an app on an OS
which is TOTALLY closed?!?). Solaris is a very nice OS, used in many
serious RT apps (FAA collision avoidance, for example), but is a royal
pain to configure out of the box. Linux is more user freindly than
Solaris, and while on the one hand doesn't have the same long track
record as Solaris, it is improving much faster, is 100% verifiable
(since you have the source code), and has a slightly larger development
team with quite a bit of tallent, which promises good things to come :-)
-Judah
BobX wrote:
>
> Linux is only a TOY, and NT is a total JOKE. You guys should check out
> Solaris.
>
> if you guys are driving hardware not supported under Solaris, the
> hardware is too new (ergo not tested), or is bad.
>
> period.
>
> BobX
>
> Tewpin Andrey (����� ������) wrote:
> >
> > 1. In comp.arch.embedded it isn't so interesting...
> > 2.Yes. Linux has some problems with threads...
> > 3.Yes. Linux hasn't problems with drivers for newest devices...(no drivers -
> > no problems).
> >
> > At7
> >
> > P.S. Don't worry. Linux's enough good OS w/o any tests...
> >
> > A. Steinhoff wrote <7idvj0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...
> > >
> > >Bruce Weiner wrote in his rebuttal:
> > > "Setting the Record Straight: Where ABCnews.com Got It Right and Wrong":
> > >
> > > "2.Mindcraft used a server with a MegaRAID controller
> > > with a beta driver (which was the latest version
> > > available at the time of the test) while the PC Week
> > > server used an eXtremeRAID controller with a fully
> > > released driver. The MegaRAID driver was single
> > > threaded while the eXtremeRAID driver was
> > > multi-threaded."
> > >
> > >That means that these Mindcraft guys were aware that they have tested
> > >the LINUX performance with a BETA DRIVER for the MegaRAID controller and
> > >they were aware that this beta driver was just a SINGLE-THREADED driver!!
> > >
> > >It's evident that the multi-threaded NT driver for the MegaRAID controller
> > >has a much better performance under havy load as a single-threaded
> > >driver ... so their so called test results are very dubiuos and rigged.
> > >
> > >As Lincoln said:"One can cheat the poeple .. but only for a limited time"
> > >
> > >Armin
> > >
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From: Michael Kalisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
hp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem and 2.2.5 ?
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:48:19 +0200
Hello everyone
Running SuSE 6.1 on a HP Omnibook 4150
I can use the Xircom CEM56 modem/eth10/100 card.
With the initial setup I can load network fine,
but the serial stuff (modem) won't work.
But if I disable the modem part in /etc/pcmcia/config, like this:
card "Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem Card"
version "Xircom", "*", "CEM56"
# bind "xirc2ps_cs", "serial_cs"
bind "serial_cs"
modem works just fine, but ofcourse ethernet doesn't ...
(This used to work in earlier versions of the kernel 2.0.36)
After a bit of investigating I noticed that it's an IRQ problem.
changing the with "setserial /dev/ttyS3 irq 0" works....
tested all other irq's but with no luck :-(
So my question is of course:
Has anyone managed to make this work with the 2.2.X kernel at all?
Any clues?
Thanks in advance
Michael
==========================================================
kernel: unloading PCMCIA Card Services
kernel: Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.0.9
kernel: kernel build: 2.2.5 unknown
kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus]
kernel: Intel PCIC probe:
kernel: TI 1220 PCI-to-CardBus at bus 0 slot 4, mem 0x68000000, 2
sockets
kernel: host opts [0]: [pwr save] [serial pci & irq] [no pci irq]
[lat 64/32] [bus 32/34]
kernel: host opts [1]: [pwr save] [serial pci & irq] [no pci irq]
[lat 64/32] [bus 35/37]
kernel: ISA irqs (scanned) = 3,4,7,11 status change on irq 11
kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x1000-0x17ff: clean.
kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x120-0x127
0x220-0x22f 0x378-0x37f 0x388-0x38f 0x4d0-0x4d7
kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean.
cardmgr[757]: starting, version is 3.0.9
cardmgr[757]: watching 2 sockets
kernel: cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: clean.
cardmgr[757]: initializing socket 0
cardmgr[757]: socket 0: Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem
cardmgr[757]: executing: 'insmod /lib/modules/2.2.5/pcmcia/xirc2ps_cs.o'
kernel: xirc2ps_cs.c 1.31 1998/12/09 19:32:55 (dd9jn+kvh)
cardmgr[757]: executing: 'insmod /lib/modules/2.2.5/pcmcia/serial_cs.o'
kernel: eth0: MII link partner: 0021
kernel: eth0: media 10BaseT, silicon revision 5
kernel: eth0: Xircom: port 0x300, irq 3, hwaddr 00:10:A4:00:F9:2C
kernel: tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
cardmgr[757]: executing: './network start eth0'
kernel: eth0: media 10BaseT, silicon revision 5
cardmgr[757]: executing: './serial start ttyS3'
==========================================================
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From: benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: print with HPDeskjet870Cxi
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:25:35 +0200
Hello,
I have an HPDeskjet870Cxi and Linux RH5.1 Kernel 2.2.4
I can print with the driver HPLaserjet, but the bottom of the pages is
cut.
I tried to install cdj850 so that ghostscript recognize it, but i
couldn't install it.
I need help about at least one of these two points.
Thanks for help.
Benjamin
runing Linux Kernel 2.2.4
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Subject: Re: Odd Question
Date: 25 May 1999 23:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 24 May 1999 16:23:27 -0700, Mr. Biggelsworth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know of a CAD package that is comparable to AutoCAD or
>Microstation for linux?
>Is there a version of AutoCAD or Microstation that works in linux?
>
Try searching http://www.deja.com for the above. I'm sure you
will find hundreds of threads on this.
Also, try http://www.linuxgazette.com. There was a review and
a rebuttal from a particular software company who has a tendency
to spam the newsgroups with their CAD software announcements.
--
Frank Hahn
Those who express random thoughts to legislative committees are often
surprised and appalled to find themselves the instigators of law.
-- Mark B. Cohen
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From: David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Printer question
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:37:21 -0400
Check the Printing HOWTO -- look for "stairstep" or "staircase."
HP printers by default do not return to the left margin when they get a
linefeed,
so the next line starts printing just under the end of the last line.
Along about
the third line or so, all the printing is off the right edge of the
paper, so you
get line after line after page after page of blank paper.
There are several simple fixes--printer settings or perl/sed scripts.
One of these may be what you need.
Good luck,
David Graham
--
>
> It isnt out of ink because it prints fine under Win98. It just prints and
> prints blank pages.
>
> ...
>
> > > I have a HP LaserJet 1100A printer. When I try printing under RH 6.0 it
> > > gives me a lotta blank pages. What is wrong here?
>
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From: "Ted George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: statically linked ls binary
Date: 25 May 1999 18:55:20 GMT
hello,
does anyone know where to find a statically linked ls binary for a
redhat-5.2 system. we are setting up chroot ftp and trying not to have to
copy the libc.so.6 to each chrooted home dir for the dynamically linked ls
to work properly.
thanks in advance,
ted
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From: "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Perl & Html
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:44:54 -0600
I have a web page
that I created. It's several perl scripts that I wrote to search through my
databases. The databases are current network status on different machines.
It's
searchable, and It's using a quick database program that I wrote, I was just
wondering, is there a way in html, where i can create a homepage completely
in
perl, i.e eldiante/nlog.pl? right now my scripts are called through the
html
interface, however it would be much faster if perl could directly call the
scripts through i/o, instead of interpretting them... thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: * * * Mindcraft offer to re-run Linux vs NT test
Date: 25 May 1999 22:59:09 GMT
On 25 May 1999 19:41:48 GMT,
Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 25 May 1999 03:33:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On 24 May 1999 23:42:15 GMT,
> > Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would like to figure out WHY microemacs isn't included in any of the
> >> distributions?!! It's great!
> >> (jove is better, but uemacs would be good :-)
> >
> >Because the microEmacs license forbids it to the point that it is a
> >license violation even to put it on a $2 CD from CheapBytes. (It's one
> >of those evil 'anti-commercial' licenses.)
> >
> >I've vainly tried to discuss the matter with Dan Lawrence, microEmacs'
> >maintainer, and he's adamant about how the 'evil' GPL is somehow
> >depriving programmers of money.
>
> Hmm. Okay, but debian could still distribute it without GPL.
Debian possibly, but not Cheapbytes. And since Debian itself doesn't
distribute any disks (except to places like Cheapbytes for mass
duplication), putting it on a Debian master would just make it so the
resellers couldn't use the master.
It's not just that it's not GPL'd: it's the whole anti-commercial
license:
* MicroEMACS 3.9 can be copied and distributed freely for any
* non-commercial purposes. MicroEMACS 3.9 can only be incorporated
* into commercial software with the permission of the current author.
Since Cheapbytes and others are very much commercial enterprises,
they're forbidden from distributing it, and Dan has said that he expects
to be paid even if they just had it on the unofficial variety of CD's.
According to Dan, even companies doing $2 CD's count as "commercial use"
of his code, ignoring that the $2 CD's are loss leaders to get sales on
books, t-shirts, stuffed penguins, etc, and that the $50 distributions
are selling the support, the pretty box and 'convenience' of buying it
from a bookstore.... not the software at all.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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