Linux-Misc Digest #389, Volume #20 Sat, 29 May 99 06:13:23 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Read win95/98 Long File Names? ("Michael Schmeing")
Re: "Art Format" images? (Robert Lynch)
Re: Linux program for managing accordion files or file cabinets? (Christopher B.
Browne)
USENET Binary Application for Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: df prints different things depending on runlevel (Paul Kimoto)
Re: 3c509b Conspiracy theory! (root)
Problem with Iomega ZIP. (Luca Satolli)
Re: 3c509b Conspiracy theory! (Gerald Willmann)
Re: How to create ISO compatible ROM for linux (Chris Bajumpaa)
reconfigure the boot process? ("Aaron Dershem")
Re: first/second/third world (Richard Kulisz)
Anyone working on Gimp to .swf (opensourced Flash file format) plugin ? (Zeljko
Blace)
Re: Real Player G2 (Richard Edwards)
Re: The Glass Cathedral ("Snoopy :-))")
Re: Linux, Who to buy from? ("ed johnson")
Re: SuSE vs Red Hat? ("ed johnson")
Re: "Art Format" images? (Tim Sutherland)
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From: "Michael Schmeing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Read win95/98 Long File Names?
Date: 29 May 1999 09:09:19 +0200
carl <#[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There may be another way, but best I know is you rebuild the kernel
> and select VFAT support in the file system options.
This is the best way, an alternative are the mtools. They provide
access to disks with FAT-filesystem and can handle long file names.
See man mtools. They are good for a quick access to floppies,
ZIP-disks and the like: You do not have to mount them. The
disadvantage is that you are limited to the utilities the mtools
provide (unless you mount the disk of course).
>
> spaten wrote:
>
> > Is there a trick or utility to enable Linux to see the full
> > extended file name used by windows on my FAT partitions instead of
> > cutting it off with a
Michael
--
Michael Schmeing, Artillerieweg 46, D-26129 Oldenburg
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www: http://www.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE/~michae2
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:30:40 -0700
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Art Format" images?
Jim Osborn wrote:
>
> Tim Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >run `strings foo.art | head`
>
> Omitting the backquotes (see below for why) we get:
>
> 40w.
> J}NX
> ,_jng
> qn^8
> F(*
> dN0&HL24$fjB
> rhxf
> Qpk.
> j`sR%
> *95yQ
>
> Does that seem useful, help point to a Linux app that might
> understand the .art format? I suspect this is another Microsoft
> proprietary format, possibly a fractal compression format like
> the one they licensed from Iterated Systems for Encarta. That
> would explain the small size of these files, assuming they're
> reasonable size images.
Hi-
I did a quick Altavista search, and the first page or so that came up:
http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/aol.htm
says:
The AOL web browser is a modified version of MSIE. One of the
modifications is that by default it "compresses" graphics (to an .ART
format).
Problems when viewing images: Some image formats (.jpg, for example) are
already compressed; when the AOL browser views them, it tries to
compress them even more, causing distortion, warping, or very degraded
image quality.
Problems when saving images: When you save images off web pages in the
AOL browser, they (internally) stay in the .ART format - even if they
have been saved with .gif or .jpg extensions. This means that only
people using an MSIE web browser can view images on your page - anyone
using any other browser cannot see them!
(.. snip ... more)
I'm not saying this is the answer you are looking for, just maybe a
helpful pointer?
Bob L.
> Backquotes are a shell directive to "run the command within the
> backquotes, and deliver that command's output here." They're
> generally only useful in conjunction with other commands. So,
>
> run `strings foo.art | head`
>
> produces:
>
> bash: run: command not found
>
> and
>
> `strings foo.art | head`
>
> produces:
>
> bash: 40w.: command not found
>
> --
> Jim
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Linux program for managing accordion files or file cabinets?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 04:30:31 GMT
On 29 May 1999 01:17:53 GMT, David Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>I have a whole lot of receipts, bills, letters, and mementos that I'm
>trying to manage with an accordion file. It isn't working very well, but
>it could, especially if I had a simple database system that would let
>me enter a text description of the thing I was filing and then produce
>an alphabetic 'hash code' for me to file the item under. Then, if there
>was some item I needed to retrieve from my files, I could do a keyword
>search of the database for it and then look it up by its 'hash code.'
>
>Is there such a program already out there? Does anybody else need a
>program like it? Maybe we could collaborate to write it one of these days.
Can you be a bit more precise about your intent here?
Are you planning to take those documents and scan them in, or just to type
in the relevant data?
If the latter, then what you could do is to create files with arbitrary
names (sort of like a LISP (gensym)), perhaps organizing it a *little* by
having a hierarchical directory structure so as to dump files into
*somewhat* relevant locations, and then use a text indexing tool like
Glimpse <http://glimpse.cs.arizona.edu/> to index the whole structure.
Glimpse includes search tools as well.
If you want to have scanned images as well, that would be highly consumptive
of disk space, as well as making it a bit tougher to attach the searchable
metadata...
See also the URL below...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/textdbms.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: USENET Binary Application for Linux
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:36:38 -0400
Hello,
I have been looking for a news binary program that will download,
combine and decode multiple binary attachments. I have been using
NewsShark on Windows, but I want to get completely away from Windows.
Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: df prints different things depending on runlevel
Date: 29 May 1999 03:21:07 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sam Steingold wrote:
> $ df /
> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda2 6373004 5277996 764873 87% /
> if I do "init 1", I immediately get
> $ df /
> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda2 6373004 4392687 1650182 73% /
> After reboot (runlevel 5, X/Gnome) I get
> $ df /
> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda2 6373004 4395730 1647139 73% /
> then something happens and "df /" jumps up again to 87%.
Wild guess: This huge amount of space is being taken up by core
files or files in /tmp that get wiped out when you switch to
single-user mode. What happens if you observe this jump, then run
something like "find / -xdev -mmin -10 -type f -print" ("find files
on `/' newer than 10 minutes old")?
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 3c509b Conspiracy theory!
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:52:11 -0400
Cameron wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, root wrote:
> > My 3c509b (eth0) stopped working when I upgraded to 2.2.9. When I
> >recompile it as a module, and run insmod 3c509.o, I get a warning:
> >
> >init_module: Device or resource busy
> >
< Snip >
>
> Was this on a dual-boot machine by any chance?
Yup. Win95 and SuSE Linux.
>
> A buddy of mine at 3com called me a few days ago, his 3C509B had
> suddenly stopped working, in Linux, after he moved to a new office.
> Still worked fine in Win-95.
>
This is exactly what is happening in my case. I am able to network with
the other Win95 box, so I know the hardware is working.
> In the new office, he'd had to boot his Win-95 for something,
> and some netware thing on the network was different and
> Microsoft Windows 95 Hardware Wizard had popped up and fixed it.
>
Didn't notice it, but it might have happened while I wasn't watching.
F***ing Microsoft!!!
> Turns out while Microsoft Windows 95 Hardware Wizard was fooling with
> the IPX stuff, it also changed the interrupt setting on his 3C509B.
> (He had NOT changed any hardware settings or configuration,
> nor added nor removed anything, nor changed Linux.)
This is one major reason why I don't want to do windows anymore. Even if
Linux is a pain in the a** to learn, at least I am master of my machine. I
want to know what my interrupts are, and don't want any "Wizard" playing
with my hardware or installing stuff without my knowledge or permission.
> I had him run the diag/config program
> (it's on the disk you get with the card if you buy it from a
> dealer who's honoring his contracts...) and find out to where
> the interrupt had moved.
The card came installed with the machine. Does 3com have this
configuration program on their website? BTW, from all the stuff I have been
hearing about 3 com and (especially) the 3c509 in this NG, 3com should start
supporting their stuff under Linux or risk loosing a lot of business.
>
> I gotta wonder how much of this shit is intentional. Does
> Microsoft monkeywrench the other OS on a dual boot system
> by *accident*?
>
Well, given that you cannot access MS software patches from their website
using netscape, (you must use MS-IE for this) I would put absolutely nothing
past them. I am not a firm beliver in conspiracy theories, but given the
stuff that has come out of the DOJ trial in the U.S. there is very little
that I now belive M$ will not do.
> Cameron
> (not a 3Com employee any more)
Well, thanks anyway for responding to my posting. I very much appreciate
the insight, and will be a major eye opener if this is in fact happening.
It certainly seems to be plausable. I haven't got my eth0 working again
yet, since I have had bigger fish to fry for the last few days. Now that my
KDE upgrade and diald seems to be up and running properly, I will look at
eth0 again. I wish there was a way to stop windows from screwing with my
hardware settings.
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From: Luca Satolli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,flashnet.it.hobby.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Problem with Iomega ZIP.
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:28:56 +0200
HI, I've installed RedHat 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5) and now I've some trouble
with my parallel port Zip.
With my old version of Red Hat (5.2) I've only to do "insmod ppa" from a
root account and then to mount the correct sda device (4 for Dos disks
or 1 for Linux disks).
Now when do "insmod ppa" I get a list of errors:
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_claim_Rcca15f23
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_register_device_R064ebecf
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_unregister_device_R3618c96f
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_enumerate_R648d1e26
/lib/modules/2.2.5-15/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
parport_release_R4430d136
I've seen that a new module is loaded by kernel (parport), so I suppose
that I have not to to "insmod ppa" and just mount but it doesn't work!
How can I do? Where can I found some documentation on that?
Thanks a lot and Best regards
Luca Satolli
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 3c509b Conspiracy theory!
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:14:44 -0700
On Sat, 29 May 1999, root wrote:
> eth0 again. I wish there was a way to stop windows from screwing with my
> hardware settings.
easy, don't use it or use it under vmware if you must. I have absolutely
no problem with this NIC on a pure linux box (except that their config
program is only available for DOS if we want to be picky). If you can't
find that program email me and I'll send you a copy.
Gerald
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From: Chris Bajumpaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to create ISO compatible ROM for linux
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:38:57 -0400
You need software that supports the rock-ridge extensions
! or !
Compile joliet support into the kernel.
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Tim Underwood wrote:
> I have been trying to create a compatible CDROM for linux that supports long
> filenames. (Testing with CDRW at the moment).
>
> I am creating the ROM on a Win98 PC, and have tried the NTI CD Maker Pro
> 3.1.730 program that came with the unit, as well as Adaptec Easy CD Creator
> Deluxe 3.5b.
>
> I have tried the Joliet format, as well as the ISO 9660. While 95/98 can
> see long filenames with either format, as soon as I mount it on linux, I get
> 8.3 names.
>
> For the time being, I am using CDRW, as I keep downloading more programs or
> updated programs, and don't really want to burn them as of yet.
>
> Any ideas???
>
>
>
>
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From: "Aaron Dershem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: reconfigure the boot process?
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:38:39 -0500
I'm running RedHat 5.2 with the 2.2.6 kernel. I originally set up the box
with the "server" configuration, but now I want to eliminate some of the
services that are loaded during the boot process. How do I configure Linux
for that. For instance, I want to get rid of the newsgroup service. I stop
the innp (sp?) process manually, but I don't want it to start in the first
place. I assume that any instructions will work for all other processes I
want to stop from loading.
I looked all over my /etc/rc.d directory, and innp (again, sp?) has its own
directory, initilization scripts, and entry in the init.d directory.
Thanks for any help.
Aaron Dershem
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 29 May 1999 08:53:48 GMT
In article <7imjip$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, pspc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I guess the original idea was that you had the two powerful economic
>blocs, and then these other developing countries which were not
>necessarily ideologically committed to either bloc. All that has
Ideologically committed? I guess that's one way of describing Uncle
Sam assassinating you if you don't do whatever the hell he says.
>survived popular usage is the idea that the phrase "Third World"
>denotes a nation where the standard of living is far below that in the
>West.
>
>By analogy, I guess that we could denote the various commercial Unices
>as "First World" and Microsoft Windows9x/NT as the "Second World."
>Linux is then a Third World system, but one rapidly approaching First
>World status.
Only if you go by popularity. If you go by technological superiority
then all Unices are Second World and Windoze is Third World. First
World should be reserved for modern OSes, not obsolete designs.
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From: Zeljko Blace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.apps.gimp,linux.dev.apps
Subject: Anyone working on Gimp to .swf (opensourced Flash file format) plugin ?
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:37:30 +0200
Hi!
I saw Macromedia giving a way source code of a player ...
is anyone doing/interested in building an authoring tool or Gimpl
plugin .swf (opensourced Flash file format) saving ?
agood start would be just saving and manipulating of static vector
drawings and exporting them to .swf ... and maybe with time build it up
to a animation ...
...some related links
http://homepages.tig.com.au/~dkl/swf/
http://www.kessels.com/Swiff/index.html
http://www.experient.com/flash/
http://reality.sgi.com/grafica/flash/DOC.html
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From: Richard Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real Player G2
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 05:29:19 +0000
Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 1999 22:28:53 -0400, Richard Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Have downloaded and installed Real Player G2 . The program opens up
> >but it does nothing. I even tried Real Payer 5.0 and that program
> >insisted on saving a file. Am I doing something wrong ? or it the
> >program that is not configured to run properly without missing with it.
> >Any replies would be appreciated.
>
> Please be more precise in your description. I'm guessing you
> mean:
>
> "I click on a link in netscape, the player opens up, and does
> nothing", for the second sentence. The third one I cant make out
> - Real player never "saves" a file (unless you have "Plus" - in
> which case I have no idea).
>
> Sound to me like you dont have the %s after the word "realplay" in
> netscape's applications entry for real audio. That would explain
> the player opening up but not doing anything.
>
> Read the README or installation instructions on how to configure
> your netscape browser correctly. It's pretty simple, really.
>
> If that doesnt work, go back to basics. There should be a file
> called "welcome.rm" in the rp 5.0 tarball. (Sadly, the RP G2 RPM
> package doesnt have one). Try to "open File" and play that in
> your realplayer (either one).
>
> If that doesnt work, you've got a different problem. Let us know.
Thank you for your reply I was able to solve my problem just as you stated by
adding the "%s" to netscapes real audio.
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From: "Snoopy :-))" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: The Glass Cathedral
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:21:47 -0400
IMHO:
You should not advertise your ignorance. Now everyone knows what a Joke and
an IDIOT you are !!!!
Reading your first paragraph (Linux overwriting files without promting)
demonstrates clearly the the possibility of some mental retardation on your
part. Since even Dummies like myself are capable of understanding, that
the"Prompt" to which you are referring in actuality is an option and it may
be modified to the "User's desire.
Your references regarding Eric Raymond and Linus Torvald, to say the least,
is quite amusing. It's one of the best example I have ever seen. Of a
Chicken trying to give Eagles Instructions about Flying Techniques.
To make any further comments regarding the rest of your Post would indicate
some sort of a recognition regarding your importance.
Snoopy ;-((
Gilles Pelletier wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Of course, we all know where distributors' and system administritors'
>moolah comes from: an inadequacy between the system offered and the
>needs of the general public. There's absolutely not a shade of a doubt
>that Linux, an OS that overwrites files without prompting, is not for
>the casual user. This fact has been recognized by M$ at least since
>DOS 3.
>
>But how the hell, in this crocked world of ours, would "evangelist"
>Eric Raymond admit making his dough in such an horrid way? I never
>thought my hoax would stand for more than a few hours. How could the
>clever Linux community not find out that I had made up the whole
>second paragraph of my "Linux: 750 million users by 2004?" (See my
>original posting below below.)
>
>Bah! I don't know... maybe I would have been fooled myself, but I
>would certainly have checked the original text. Raymond's true
>pretension about Linux having 750 millions users in five years is just
>too outrageous. Gee! Who would be left using Windows, save Gates,
>Allen and Ballmer? I even thought Businessweek was putting on an hoax
>of its own. How about this excerpt: " [Raymond writes an arithmetic
>formula to determine this]" Does this sound serious?
>
>Then I thought of Raymond's authoritative opus: The Cathedral and the
>Bazaar.
>http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar.html
>The big bangle there is in the sort of "Release Early, Release Often"
>and "The Importance of Having Users", in other words, thoughts after
>the fact on developing on the internet. How long does this go in the
>way of describing the new structure of development as a "bazaar"?
>
>As we all know, the odd numbered versions of the kernel -- 2.1, 2.3,
>etc -- are development versions. People with some programming
>experience can get their hands at it, adapt it to their hardware or
>purpose, which wasn't possible before the internet and open source.
>
>Isn't there inevitably a Cathedral structure in the development of any
>OS? If you can't write a driver, it's very unlikely that you'll be
>checking other people's work under Torvalds' supervision anytime soon.
>The term "Glass Cathedral" would certainly describe this kind of
>structure more appropriately, as you can learn from the code other
>people write and the community can evaluate other people's skills.
>
>As for the bazaar, I'm afraid it does exist, but it's rather in the
>distribution scheme. It's Redhat saying "Of course, Linux is free!
>Just don't forget if you lend your CD with BRU, you might get into
>trouble" or "Too bad if you have Windows installed and Rockridge
>extensions don't work! Why don't you buy our distribution with the
>book?" or "You think our instructions lead you nowhere? Just call us,
>we're strong on $ervice!" It's also Suse installing an Applix demo
>(400 megs!) by default. It's all those Netscape-pl'ed and QT-pl'ed and
>whoever-pl'ed licenses that spring from all over and are intertwined
>with true GPL software, etc.
>
>In terms of classic economy, this is a hell of a bazaar. At the
>present time, euphoria seems the only politically correct attitude
>towards this turmoil; I just hope it doesn't end up in a legal chivvy
>like the world has never known.
>
>For now, it seems to me Linux is going nowhere fast. It's not sound to
>expect that we'll put the whole population into a sysadmin spirit.
>People in general have other concerns and they will neither pay gurus
>for support everytime a problem arises, nor roam usenet until they
>find out which answer really makes sense. If users don't get a fairly
>clear understanding of the basic structure and functionning of their
>system, the game is lost for Linux.
>
>I'm certainly not much of a Linux guru: after checking HOWTOs, minis
>and maxis, and FAQs, I still haven't found out how to get the keyboard
>I want for working at the prompt (CF). But I've got a feeling that
>many other non-gurus share. Like investors, I believe that if the
>present conditions prevail, Linux will be a passing fad. In ten years
>from now, when bank transactions, home buying, car rentals, hotel
>reservations, movie rentals, etc., will almost obligatorily go through
>the internet, Linux will only be a nice geek's souvenir.
>
>Of course, we know that Gates and Allen are selling their shares like
>crazy, but is it that they're afraid Windows is loosing ground or are
>they only getting more and more people economically interested in the
>survival of Windows, while investing themselves in satellite and cable
>networks, data and image banks, and all kind of rental services which,
>of course, will all be Windows oriented?
>
>Getting a better share of the server market for Linux won't do. The
>ludicrous "Frontpage extentions"(1) have already helped M$ enter the
>server market. Imagine what a wedge they're building now!
>
>(1) But did the Linux community help understand the use of scripts?
>Were simple scripts installed on servers so people could learn how to
>use them, or were they only offered as "$upport" to commercial
>accounts? (Some ISPs offer free pre-written scripts. But they're the
>exception.)
>
>More money and power is at stake here than at any other moment in
>history and it's no use to expect the game will be played fairly: any
>kind of manipulation is possible. Never-ending inquests could be
>undertaken (1) to determine who's THE vilain and who's just a
>simpleton in this silly game. It would be a terrible loss of time.
>
>(1)For instance, how is it that AOL, who got along so well with M$,
>finally bought Netscape?
>
>The only thing that matters is the users base. People must feel that
>Linux is not a geeks' toy, that they too can apprehend and comprehend
>it. Pretending to turn the young generation into a bunch of Linux
>geeks is talking nonsense: even if it was possible, it would happen
>way too late.
>
>Measures must be taken immediately to provide well-organised
>information to people who want to get a basic knowledge of their
>system, people who don't intend to become top-flight programmers but
>don't want to get stuck in front a user interface when the first
>problem arises(1). Otherwise, the Glass Cathedral will shatter.
>
>(1) See: "AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!!" on
>comp.os.linux.misc, for a possible way to achieve this goal.
>
>Here's my previous posting. Figure out which hoax is the most
>extravagant : )
>
>---------
>
>Linux: 750 million users by 2004?.
>
>
>"I Want to Live in a World Where Software Doesn't Stink"
>
>In a Q&A, Linux evangelist Eric Raymond talks about unseating
>Microsoft as the OS of choice. (Businessweek)
>
>(...)
>
>Q: Five years from now, how many people will be using Linux?
>
>A: If we continue to grow our user rate at the level we've been doing
>now, [Raymond writes an arithmetic formula to determine this] we'd get
>six doubling periods, which means just shy of a billion people, 860
>million in fact. I'm not expecting it to be quite that high because
>trends like this tend to show logistic growth rather than exponential,
>and it's not clear what the threshold is. I'd say somewhere near 750
>million would be a good conservative estimate.
>
>(I made up the following paragraph.)
>
>Q: A conservative estimate? Isn't Microsoft still thriving on selling
>software? How can Linux survive giving away its own?
>
>Something must be made clear here. Microsoft is selling software,
>we're selling service. Let me give you an exemple. While working at
>the prompt, whereas Windows asks before overwriting a file, Linux just
>sends it to limbo. Though nowadays people rarely work at the prompt,
>on some occasions, they have to. After loosing a few files this way,
>they call support. We provide a little shell script and they're back
>to heaven. Expect to see Linux prices skyrocketing in the next few
>years.
>
>(...)
>
>Well, who am I to contradict such an "evangelist"? But I'd lay a bet:
>if there ever is 750 million Linux users in 5 years from now, 90% of
>them will still be booting Windows by default. Lilo's end isn't near.
>
>Do read the whole story:
>http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr1999/nf90427c.htm
>
>GP
>
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From: "ed johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, Who to buy from?
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:37:23 +0100
Suse 6.1 full retail pack @ 19.74 +
from http://www.softalk.co.uk
Michel Catudal wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Kyle Gearhart wrote:
>>
>> I have done a great deal looking into Linux and have finally decided that
I
>> would buy it. I don't know which one to buy Redhat, Caldera, etc. Does
any one
>> have any advice?
>>
>> Kyle Gearhart
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Cheapbytes
>
>I bought today 3 CDs of RedHat 6.0 for family
>and Slackware 4.0 for me
>
>I bought my copy of RedHat 6.0 a few weeks ago allready
>
>With shipping it was around $15
>
>This is the best deal around. Yesterday I saw at Linuxworld
>they had a free CD which would cost $10 handling plus
>who know how much shipping.
>
>--
>Tired of Windows' rebootive multitasking?
>then try Linux's preemptive multitasking
>http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
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From: "ed johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: SuSE vs Red Hat?
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:38:41 +0100
NO NO NO. Suse 6.1 is best
Syed Mujtaba wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello folks,
> i am currently in the market to buy Linux, and cannot decide whether
>to get SuSE 6.1 or Red Hat Linux 6? any input on the matter would be
>most appreciated.
>thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Sutherland)
Subject: Re: "Art Format" images?
Date: 29 May 1999 09:55:29 GMT
In article <7imgkk$urs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Osborn wrote:
>Tim Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>run `strings foo.art | head`
>
>Omitting the backquotes (see below for why) we get:
<snip: I don't know what the filetype is>
>Backquotes are a shell directive to "run the command within the
>backquotes, and deliver that command's output here." They're
>generally only useful in conjunction with other commands. So,
I know that.
>
> run `strings foo.art | head`
>
>produces:
>
> bash: run: command not found
That's not what I was saying. When talking about a command to run in an English
text document, I use backquotes to surround the command. This is useful,
because after understanding the convention, you would know not to include "run"
in the command.
When I say `strings foo.art | head`, I mean to run
strings foo.art | head
at a shell prompt.
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