Linux-Misc Digest #389, Volume #25 Wed, 9 Aug 00 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Linux for Windows opnion requested ("Gerardo")
Re: howto see all cdrecord multi-sessions (Dances With Crows)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Need a bootCD (Frank Arnold)
Re: Mandrake ate my HD :( (Valentin Guillen)
Re: cealibrating loop delay (David Efflandt)
Re: Backup /usr files (permissions?), repartition, restore? (MH)
Re: Backup /usr files (permissions?), repartition, restore? (MH)
Re: what to demo during a linux talk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Book to learn about Server-Side Apps? ("NoSpam@")
Re: what to demo during a linux talk (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Newbie need help with memory leaks (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Re: *X Cant Detect* ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: kernel 2.2.17 (David M. Cook)
Re: kernel 2.2.17 (David M. Cook)
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:47:33 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > John Hasler wrote:
> >>
> >> blowfish wrote:
> >> > Didn't you said that you made $25k from Debian...
> >>
> >> No. I said I made $25k as a _result_ of having contributed to Debian.
> >>
> > Okay. It's indirect in a way. But you wouldn't have made that $25k if
> > you did not contribute to Debian. So, Debian is acting as the
> > middleman.
>
> You certainly have problems with reading comprehension...
No. I can comprehend just fine.
But just a major disagreement, and having a major different point of
view from geeks.
> The way I see it (might be wrong) is that he contributed software to debian,
> and as a result got a job elsewhere by someone who saw his software in
> debian and was impressed by it... Getting software accepted into the
> opensource community is an excellent thing to put on your CV.
>
> Nothing wrong with that, and certainly nothing at all to do with debian.
> It might just as well have been put up on freshmeat and been accepted into
> any or all the distros that way.
No. I'm not interested into contributing to the GNU-GPL at all. As I
don't even believe in the GNU-GPL lisence.
>
> --
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! |
> |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and |
> | in | get out the puncture repair kit!" |
> | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: "Gerardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux for Windows opnion requested
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:00:04 -0400
I saw the Lin 4 Win for $20. Any opinions?
Does it come complete including, Netscape, auto updates,
etc.... Is it just as good as the standard Macmillan Mandrake 7.1? It
would be nice not having to re-partition, or not having to deal with a boot
manager....In addition, if I upgrade my Windows version, I don't want
Windows to mess up the booting sequence (kill LILO or something like
that...)
Thank you,
Gerardo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: howto see all cdrecord multi-sessions
Date: 9 Aug 2000 02:50:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:55:05 GMT, Paul Lew wrote:
>On 8 Aug 2000 21:31:36 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>How was the second image generated? Did you do something like:
>>TRACK=`cdrecord -msinfo`
>>mkisofs -r -J -C $TRACK -M /dev/scd0 -o image.iso /path/to/dir ?
>
>The 1st time I just generated without the msinfo or -M; then I found
>the readme.multi and tried that. It looks like your method implies that
>BOTH the "cd directory" and the data for 2nd session are created at the
>same time which is a bit different than what the readme.multi said.
>As I interpreted the README.multi, the 2nd session is created
>normally then the directory of the 1st image on the cd is merged to
>the 2nd session image. The example in the README.multi:
>
>mkisofs -o isoimage_2.raw -R -C xx,yy -M /dev/"my cdwriter" first_dir.
>The problem is the term "first_dir" and what it was or where...;
>the explanations was not too clear at that point.
OK, let's try an example: You have data in /foo and data in /bar that
you want to burn to a CD, so you do:
mkisofs -r -J -o test.iso /foo
cdrecord -multi test.iso
Then, the CD will contain the contents of /foo.
Then, you do:
TRACK=`cdrecord -msinfo`
mkisofs -r -J -C $TRACK -M /dev/cdwriter -o test2.iso /bar
cdrecord -multi test2.iso
And the CD will now contain the contents of /foo and /bar. The main
confusion comes from the -C and -M required options for the 2nd and
subsequent sessions.
BTW, if you're trying to make a "CD-Plus" that has audio tracks on
session #1 and data on session #2, you do it like so:
cdrecord -multi -audio track*.wav
TRACK=`cdrecord -msinfo`
mkisofs -r -J -C $TRACK -o test.iso /path/to/data/files
cdrecord test.iso
HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:52:57 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The arguement of costs is not important at all.
>
> > At least for any real businesses.
>
> > You see. Business software is part of the business expenses, so, they're
> > tax deductable.
>
> > The money has got to go, either to the software companies, or to the tax
> > collectors.
>
> Or to other parts of the business that may need
> financing/upgrading/expanding... There's no law saying a business must spend
> X percent on software a year to claim tax benefits, is there?
>
I don't think so.
> Money saved on software can be better spent elsewhere.
> Or didn't you think of that?
But with many, if not most major corperations. If they do not spend all
the money in the budget, then, they'll get less money for their
department on the next round of budgeting.
So. They have to spend all the money. One way or the other.
(I'm not talking about small business here. I'm talking about those that
get tens of million of dollar, or more for IT budget every year.)
>
> --
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |
> |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
> | in | "THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!! |
> | Computer Science | - Father Jack in "Father Ted" |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:54:29 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > That's also about to sum up his aposals and groupies. :-0 :-|
>
> > - blowfish.
>
> D-. Must try harder.
> You really need to learn how to post a decent troll...
>
Troll?
No. I fly fish. :-)
But that's really how I feel about RMS and his geeks worshippers.
> --
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
> |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| |
> | in | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
> | Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: Frank Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need a bootCD
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:52:30 -0700
Try tomsrtbt
http://www.toms.net/rb/
Write it to a floppy, boot with it, mount your linux drive
and you're in.
Frank Arnold
On Tue, 08 Aug 2000, Simon Lemieux wrote:
>Hi,
> I just made the biggest mistake of my life... I installed windows on my
>linux box... I've done this a few times and I thought I really knew how to
>deal with this kind of hard work, but for one detail... Windows erased LILO
>at installation.
> Now I can only boot Windows, no more LILO prompt... What I need is a
>bootable floppy to /sbin/lilo! but I don't have a floppy drive...
>
> So here it is... I don't have access to any linux box, I CAN'T
>reinstall my linux stuff, I got lots of documents I can't afford to loose...
>I know there is a way to convert a boot image (boot.img) into a iso image
>(CDboot.iso)... But I can't do it...
>
> Can someone point me to somewhere I could download a bootable CD, just a
>booter so I can run /sbin/lilo... or if it doesn't exist, oh my god... Why
>oh why did I install Windows??
>
>Thanks in advance,
> Simon Lemieux
>
>Also, I'm not familiar with Windows newsgroup reading... sending the
>response to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be very apreciated! Thanks again!
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From: Valentin Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake ate my HD :(
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:59:30 -0600
Tim,
If you're prepared to nuke all data on the drive and start over, here's
a surefire way to restore the drive to original condition, where you
could then put the disk manager software back on to enable the system to
"see" the whole drive.
Here's the deal: You'll need a DOS bootable diskette. This boot
diskette must have the dos executable called debug.exe. This is part of
the DOS suite in all later m$ versions as well as DRDOS, PCDOS, etc. On
a win9x box, the file will be in C:\windows\command folder.
It would be very prudent for this diskette to also have the essential
dos utils for disk management, like xcopy, sys, fdisk, format, attrib,
etc. Anyway, you would boot the computer from this diskette, and at the
a: prompt, you would type debug
This will take you to a - prompt
you will type f 200 L200 0 and hit enter
following this script below.
when you see xxxx:0100 on the screen, you'll type
mov ax,301
and so forth.
A:\>DEBUG
- f 200 L200 0
- a 100
xxxx:0100 mov ax,301 (ignore segment:offset values at left)
xxxx:0103 mov bx,200
xxxx:0106 mov cx,1
xxxx:0109 mov dx,0080
xxxx:010C int 13
xxxx:010E int 3
xxxx:010F (Press ENTER an extra time here)
- d 100 LF
xxxx:0100 B8 01 03 BB 00 02 B9 01-00 BA 80 00 CD 13 CC
(make sure that hex values match above line before proceeding)
(if values do not match, type Q and start over)
- g=100
(ignore register display)
- q (quits back to DOS)
FDISK should now show "No partitions defined".
So now, this script is found here:
http://www.firmware.com/support/bios/hdclear.htm
along with instructions, and for the true geek, the meaning of the
numbers. Write back if you need further guidance. This script will
allow you to access the hidden sector of the hard drive which holds the
partition table, and you can thus reset this to original condition.
Play it safe, and remove all other drives when running this util.
Be sure you're ready to loose everything curently on the drive.
Regards,
Valentin Guillen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: cealibrating loop delay
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:10:53 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 08 Aug 2000, Sebastian Kollmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I want to use my old Pentium 90 as a Linux Firewall with RedHat 6.2. My
>problem is that the system hangs at boot time, when the message
>"Calibrating Loop Delay..." appears. I was trying to change my BIOS
>settings (wait states for example) with no result. The only thing that
>works is to run the machine on 60 MHz. My Motherboard is a Gigabyte
>GA586ATE /P with an ISDN Fritz! card (ISA), NE2000 (ISA), 512kb VGA
>(ISA) and 128MB RAM.
Not quite sure what you are reporting as 60 MHz, but a P90 and P120 do run
at a 60 MHz clock rate. A P100 runs at 66 MHz. If you are trying to run
the system board at 90 MHz, it might not.
My old P100 box was running a P180 MMX overdrive which was supposed to use
60 MHz, but ran fine at 200 MHz with 66 MHz clock. I now run an Evergreen
Spectra400 which is a K6-2/400, but not much faster due to its slow fpu.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/ http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup /usr files (permissions?), repartition, restore?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:11:28 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Prasanth A. Kumar" wrote:
>
> >
> > I used cp -a which is supposed to retain owner/group/permissions,
> > symbolic links, and directory structure. Unfortunately, it does not
> > appear that it actually does this--at least not when copying to another
> > machine.
>
> I assume you are doing this as root because you cannot fully maintain
> attributes as a normal user.
>
Yes.
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup /usr files (permissions?), repartition, restore?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:13:07 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Strange.
> I had a 500 MB drive slowly filling up . So I moved everything onto a 2.5
> GIG drive using cp. For the first 2 minutes, I was hand copying files and
> changing the user and group ID's . Then I got tired of it and checked the
> man pages.
>
> I moved all of it into new partitions using cp , and all I had to do was
> a) /etc/fstab had to be changed .
> b) Rerun lilo for the new drive.
>
> Of course, the computer was in *single user* mode while all this was done.
I suspect you had no problem because you were copying to <the same
box>. I'm trying to copy to a <different> box.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what to demo during a linux talk
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:07:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) wrote:
> >Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >would say:
> >>I am going to have a talk on Linux. The audience will be
> >>the managers of some businesses in Macau. There will be
> >>a live demo on Linux. I was wondering what kind of stuff
> >>should I demonstrate? The Linux box will not be connected
> >>to a network.
> >The lack of network is highly unfortunate, as one of the things
> >likely to look real useful is the ability to provide network
> >services, including:
> > - File server stuff [Novell + SMB + AppleTalk emulation/replacement]
> > - Web server stuff, probably keeping it simple
> > - Mail server
> > - Web Cache/Proxy, Firewall
> >
>
> Depending on how much hardware he's able to use/carry/lug... setp a
small net
> of laptops plugged into server on your demostration table. Let the
audience
> tinker with the client/server or simply demostrate the "power of the
penguin"
> for the audience.
>
> You don't really need a live inet connect... Just a few laptops would
be fine.
Finally I bit the bullet and took the route: network the notebook
and my Linux box with a UTP crossover cable, demo the smb file
service ("this is a central file cabinet") and web service
("I've setup a web site in this computer").
I also login and demo the KDE desktop, running a painting program
and netscape.
I think the demo caught the people's attention. Only wish the
projection screen were bigger.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "NoSpam@" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Book to learn about Server-Side Apps?
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:33:40 GMT
Have you thought of Perl? I'm no programmer but manage
to get some things done with it including homespun DB's.
It's supposed to be very easy for C-programmers.
Mitchell Timin wrote:
>
> Can someone recommend such a book? I'm an out-of-date programmer. I don't
> know CGI, PHP, XML, or most of the other acronyms involved in active
> websites. I would like to understand how it all works.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mitch
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Subject: Re: what to demo during a linux talk
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 08 Aug 2000 23:38:47 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride) wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) wrote:
> > >Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >would say:
> > >>I am going to have a talk on Linux. The audience will be
> > >>the managers of some businesses in Macau. There will be
> > >>a live demo on Linux. I was wondering what kind of stuff
> > >>should I demonstrate? The Linux box will not be connected
> > >>to a network.
(text elided)
> Finally I bit the bullet and took the route: network the notebook
> and my Linux box with a UTP crossover cable, demo the smb file
> service ("this is a central file cabinet") and web service
> ("I've setup a web site in this computer").
>
> I also login and demo the KDE desktop, running a painting program
> and netscape.
>
> I think the demo caught the people's attention. Only wish the
> projection screen were bigger.
It's nice to have a network connection if you're doing a "workshop"
type presentation instead of simply a talk, because then people can
interact directly with client/server services on systems in the
same room.
If it's going to be a lecture or demo, I used to like to run X
Fishtank or some other eye candy while not actively demonstrating a
program, especially if there's a projection display. Mesa/OpenGL
demos are pretty effective on a big screen.
--
http://www.mainmatter.com/
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Newbie need help with memory leaks
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:50:58 GMT
So_Funky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Appreciate if anyone know how to reclaim memory leaks. I'm using Gentus
> Linux 3.0. I've got 256M Ram and just running in command line with
> httpd, inet and stuff in the background only takes about 40M Ram
> initially but after running X windows and some memory intensive stuff, i
> notice i was still using swap even after i log out of Xwindows and exit
> all major applications. My 256M Ram was totally used up and refused to
> drop back to 40M as before!?
>
> Is there a way to reclaim the memory leaks? It's strange my harddisk
> just keep spinning furiously when i'm not doing anything...... :-(
>
> Regards
> Damon
First make sure you really have a memory leak...
When you type 'free', the actual amout of memory use is on the second
row second column. The first row includes cache and buffers which will
stay used for that purpose until really needed.
Next, make sure if you are really swapping by on a terminal typing
'vmstat 2 20' and verifying if the 'si' and 'so' columns are mostly 0
or mostly non-zero. If it is indeed non-zero, then you may have a
problem. If instead the 'bi' and 'bo' columns are non-zero then you
just have programs which access the harddrive a lot.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *X Cant Detect*
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:25:00 +0100
N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> i have Mandrake Linux 7.0. istall runs smoothy until i reach the section
> of 'Configure X', when trying to pick the items closest to my hardware
> being that my hardware isnt listed i get the following error:
Sod off N/A.
We've told you about this before.
If you're not prepared to listen to any of us, why should we be prepared to
help you?
HINT for the hard of thinking. (That's you, that is)
STOP POSTING THE SAME QUERY 3 TIMES WITH DIFFERENT SUBJECT LINES!!!!
> An Error Occured:
Yes... You Occurred. And recurred... And recurred again...
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______________________________________________________________________________
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |
|Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
| in | suck is probably the day they start making |
| Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:58:58 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > John Hasler wrote:
>> >>
>> >> blowfish wrote:
>> >> > Didn't you said that you made $25k from Debian...
>> >>
>> >> No. I said I made $25k as a _result_ of having contributed to Debian.
>> >>
>> > Okay. It's indirect in a way. But you wouldn't have made that $25k if
>> > you did not contribute to Debian. So, Debian is acting as the
>> > middleman.
>>
>> You certainly have problems with reading comprehension...
>
>No. I can comprehend just fine.
>
>But just a major disagreement, and having a major different point of
>view from geeks.
The point is that the gain of $25K _was_ indirect. Debian was, in no
way, a "middleman." You seem somehow focused on Debian being a
"middleman" which is utterly incorrect.
>> The way I see it (might be wrong) is that he contributed software to debian,
>> and as a result got a job elsewhere by someone who saw his software in
>> debian and was impressed by it... Getting software accepted into the
>> opensource community is an excellent thing to put on your CV.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that, and certainly nothing at all to do with debian.
>> It might just as well have been put up on freshmeat and been accepted into
>> any or all the distros that way.
>No. I'm not interested into contributing to the GNU-GPL at all. As I
>don't even believe in the GNU-GPL lisence.
That's irrelevant to the issue that John Hasler received $25K as a result
of a contribution of software.
It is _quite_ relevant to the fact that _YOU_ didn't get a similar $25K,
and will have no opportunity to receive any of the benefits that can
accrue from contributing to the body of GPLed software. You may choose
to discount the potential for benefits, and thereby "disbelieve" in the
"GNU-GPL lisence."
The issue _was_ quite relevant to John Hasler, as he could have received
his "windfall" without there being any involvement of Debian whatsoever.
It's starting to look like you need to be "Plonked."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:59:07 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > The arguement of costs is not important at all.
>>
>> > At least for any real businesses.
>>
>> > You see. Business software is part of the business expenses, so, they're
>> > tax deductable.
>>
>> > The money has got to go, either to the software companies, or to the tax
>> > collectors.
>>
>> Or to other parts of the business that may need
>> financing/upgrading/expanding... There's no law saying a business must spend
>> X percent on software a year to claim tax benefits, is there?
>>
>I don't think so.
>> Money saved on software can be better spent elsewhere.
>> Or didn't you think of that?
>
>But with many, if not most major corperations. If they do not spend all
>the money in the budget, then, they'll get less money for their
>department on the next round of budgeting.
You're thinking of cost centers, not corporations. Corporations don't
receive less money if they spend less; they receive less money if they
sell less of whatever it is that they sell.
>So. They have to spend all the money. One way or the other.
>(I'm not talking about small business here. I'm talking about those that
>get tens of million of dollar, or more for IT budget every year.)
If departments save money on one thing, that can allow them to spend
_more_ on other things. If they shovel less money into the pockets of
Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM, for license fees, this can let them spend
that money on _SOMETHING ELSE_.
The principle might be called the "Law of Conservation of Spending,"
which means that "If you find yourself under budget due to something
costing less than expected, that provides the necessity to spend _more_
on something else."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.17
Date: 9 Aug 2000 03:59:23 GMT
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:25:19 +0200, Florian E.J. Fruth
<fejf@gmx*/dev/null*.de> wrote:
>why don't use 2.4.0-test5 ?
For a distribution release? Would you install that on your mail server?
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.17
Date: 9 Aug 2000 04:05:17 GMT
On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:46:30 GMT, Ramin Sina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know when 2.2.17 will be released and if the upcoming RH
>release will have 2.2.17 or 2.2.16?
The current RH beta (pinstripe) uses a patched 2.2.16 (their numbering is
2.2.16-17).
Dave Cook
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