Linux-Misc Digest #465, Volume #20 Wed, 2 Jun 99 18:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? (Frank)
Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL? (Don Baccus)
enlightenment (benjamin j snyder)
How to remove hard linked directory? (Christian Becker)
Re: Disk Druid not improving, and why... (James Lee)
howto get tab expand file name (BM Lam)
Re: Samba RH5.1 (Zoran Cutura)
Re: My horror story (jik-)
Re: is GNU fortran compiler available for linux, precompiled?
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested (Peter Mutsaers)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (William Wueppelmann)
Re: first/second/third world (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Is This Illegal? (K Lee)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (NF Stevens)
Re: Does this OS exist? (NF Stevens)
Re: first/second/third world (Johan Kullstam)
RH 5.1 version.h file!!! (Mike Kerr)
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Reply-To: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:25:01 -0700
Miguel Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:yKb53.4123$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Miguel Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> *NT* afaik is *not* free.
> >>>
> >>> Either is a professional UNIX.
> >>
> >> I take it your definition of a professional Unix is "one that is not
> >> available for free."
> >
> > Essentially, hobbyists don't have the discipline to do it properly. For
> > examples look at Disk Druid, and RH 6.0.
>
> I don't see where that's an answer. But in any case, your contention is
that
> if one thing is not done to your satisfaction, then the entire model
> provides nothing of value? I can certainly point you to a lot of
profoundly
> broken commercial software.
>
> I guess the lesson ends up being that all hardware and software is
worthless
> for "professionals".
>
Rather obtuse. I cited those examples to support a point, I have many
others, the KDE/GNOME debate pops to mind. The model doesn't work for those
providing an enterprise solution.
> miguel
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From: Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:29:41 +0200
Ruiming Chen wrote:
> The Subject askes its all. Are they the same free database software with
> two names?
> Or they are two different free database software?
> Are they both run on Linux?
>
> Thank you!
> --Raymond
> --
> RC Square Team.
This are two different products:
mSQL: www.hughes.au
mySQL: www.tcx.se
They are pretty similar and it is hard to say, which one is better.
Have a look at there websites, they can tell you why they are better.
They both are available on lots of unix, as well as linux.
If you intend to use java ore html-stuff, they are both well equiped.
I tried both of them and brought mySQL easier to run with Java using the
twz1-Driver, then with mSQL . But this is a question of the
JDBC-Driver.....
Both are great and usefull tools.
Fredy
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.lang.java.databases
Subject: Re: What are the differences between mySQL and mSQL?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Baccus)
Date: 2 Jun 1999 14:16:08 PST
In article <nNd53.584$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>it has this nasty bug about the last column being a string - I forget the details but
>I ended up going with mysql
>since it has worked for me bug-free for over 2 yrs in a production env.
>but it lacks bells and such. no stored procs and no triggers.
And MySQL isn't transaction-based, which some would claim isn't
simply a lack of a bell or whistle...
Postgres is getting better, I've been using the 6.5 beta and it's
a VAST improvement over 6.4.2 (which I removed from my system
a few hours after installation). The "real" 6.5 will be released
next Monday, apparently.
The core development group seems committed to improving reliability and
functionality. And they have a good handle on the code. They took
it over about two years ago, IIRC.
--
- Don Baccus, Portland OR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nature photos, on-line guides, at http://donb.photo.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (benjamin j snyder)
Subject: enlightenment
Date: 2 Jun 1999 12:36:49 GMT
I just downloaded an image of RH6.0 and burnt it to a CD. The default manager
is Enlightenment (which is GREAT since I couldnt get it to install in 5.2 due
to my own stupidity). What my question is, is how do you get the windows to be
translucent? I can get them to be translucent when I am moving them, but dont
know how to make the backgrounds translucent. Any info and/or links would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
--
Ben Snyder
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From: Christian Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to remove hard linked directory?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:20:14 +0200
Hi all,
hard linked directories are in general a bad idea but a our CVS server
created one during a crash. It is named /home/cvsroot/$CVSROOT and links
to the /home/cvsroot directory. Any idea how to remove it, since
"rm -d" as root does not work complaining "operation not permitted"?
Thanks for any help
Christian
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Disk Druid not improving, and why...
Date: 2 Jun 1999 15:40:10 -0500
In comp.os.linux.misc Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: How about the little but that, when patitioning drive 1, it reset at the
: bios level, drive 0 to dos compatibility mode. I consider that a serious
: defect.
Forgive my asking, how do you tell that it was set to Dos-compat mode
in the BIOS?
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From: BM Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: howto get tab expand file name
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:29:30 +0200
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On my Linux PC using bash, I can type some first characters of a file or
directory in the shell, press the tab key and the characters would be
expanded to the full file/directory name if it can be determined
uniquely. Now this is a feature of the shell but I reckon it is an
option that is set on by default.
I know on other Unix variants (e.g HPUX), with a proper shell like ksh,
and if you have
set -o vi
in your .profile, this feature is enabled. But on some platforms I have
worked with like Solaris, AIX, the above mentioned conditions are still
not enough to get the magic tab feature. The question is now:
is there something else you need to set up besides using a proper shell
and "set -o vi" to get that magic tab?
Thanks in advance for any help
BM
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From: Zoran Cutura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Samba RH5.1
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:16:42 +0000
Fezzzza wrote:
>
> I have got the linux box in network neighbour hood I had to start
At least there is no need to see the Linux-Box in the network neighbour
hood to simply connect! You can just connect by typing
\\servername\share
in the network-connection dialog!
> samba as a win server before it would let me connect to it now I can
> connect it I can only login if I create an account for the window
> machine cant I just log in without a password or a username ????
No, you can't!!
It's just like in Windoooze it allways uses some kind o' login and
passwd!
In W95 it uses the login/passwd you type on starting W95 as the standard
authentification. So you could use the same pw/login-combo on your
samba-box, it then can connect automatically!
Bye
Zoran
--
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will have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a
better programmer for the rest of your days. Eric S. Raymond
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My horror story
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:11:31 -0700
theoddone33 wrote:
>
> Well, I wrote this nice little shell script to recompile the kernel. It
> compiles the kernel and modules, renames the current kernel, runs lilo, and
> reboots the system. I fired it up this afternoon and just let it run. For
> some reason, my zImage didn't go quite right, so after it rebooted, I was
> left staring at a lilo prompt that wouldn't load. DOH! Guess who didn't
> make a boot disk at install time. That's right, me! My first 5 attempts to
> boot the system failled, but I think I've got it figured out now. I'll try
> to get it all fixed tomorrow. The moral: Always have a spare boot disk.
No the true moral would be,......NEVER automate the kernel build
process!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: is GNU fortran compiler available for linux, precompiled?
Date: 2 Jun 1999 21:23:10 GMT
Leonid Andreev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please don't ask me what I need it for. :) I don't really want to
> build it myself, so if it is available as a binary I would like to get
> my hands on it.
Hey, now, don't be knocking fortran! Many of us engineers still enjoy
that quirky little language. ;)
Ahem. What distro are you running? RedHat has rpm's of egcs-g77 available.
Beware, though, that it only allows file unit numbers up to 99. I
just downloaded the latest versions (gcc-2.8.1 and g77-0.5.23) and compiled
them to change that -- it really wasn't that big a deal.
(Oh, and I'm assuming you're talking about f77 and not f90. f90 is a whole
different story.)
--
====================================
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested
Date: 02 Jun 1999 21:38:45 +0200
>> "LT" == Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> And if you tune both of them properly (esp. FreeBSD's default settings
>> are very conservative and safe but not fast) FreeBSD wins easily when
>> it comes to disk I/O.
>>
>> Any pointer on the "proper tuning" of FreeBSD disk I/O wise?
LT> I think the tuning Peter is alluding to is the "make up the
LT> numbers in your own head" kind of tuning. The advantage of
LT> that kind of tuning is that you don't have to bother with the
LT> boring things like actually validating the results, so you get
LT> done much more quickly, and the numbers are better too.
OK, I don't have numbers at hand last time when I ran bonnie and
iozone on both FreeBSD -current and Linux -current, so I'll repeat
them tonight and post the result. Last time, 6 months ago, I tried to
optimize both FBSD-current and Linux 2.0.36 and 2.1.whatever was
current (using the most aggressive hdparm settings ensuring that Linux
used UDMA), using a freshly made filesystem on the same partition once
for FreeBSD, then for Linux, to make sure that I was using the same
part of the same disk in the same system to get a fair comparison.
I'll post the current results as a followup to this post in a few
hours time.
--
Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | the Netherlands | what I'm doing.
===============+=====================+==================
Powered by FreeBSD (-current). See http://www.freebsd.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:26:47 GMT
In our last episode (Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:49:30 +0000),
the artist formerly known as Jamie said:
>Anthony Ord wrote:
>
>> >It is amazing the number of people that do not realise that Win 95 is
>> >running on top of DOS just like 3.x did. They just put a (not so)
>>
>> Some people deny it point-blank when you clue them in. They
>> come up with all sort of funny explanations...
>
>I think M$ started the myth by refering to Win 95 as an OS. They still
>call Win 98 an OS.
If they didn't, they'd have to pay Caldera a lot of money. So right now,
the most convenient truth is that DOS 7, Windows 4.x and Internet Explorer
consitute an operating system.
>If when either is "starting Windows 9x" you press F8
>you can go to the command prompt or step by step startup and see it all
>laid bare. I would say that DOS is the OS (IMHO).
In fact, if you change one (count em) character in the msdos.sys file, DOS
4 won't automatically run win.com at boot up. Of course, Windows does
provide a lot of operating system functionality that DOS can't, but there's
still no reason the two couldn't or shouldn't be decoupled.
--
It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 02 Jun 1999 16:50:32 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >- what are the objectives that should go into the design of a modern
> > computing system (which includes the operating system(s), but which also
> > includes such things as applications which many people are going to
> > be interested in, such as spreadsheets, games/game support, and
> > word processing/typesetting)?
>
> I was going to get into it but I didn't know how much ranting you
> would tolerate. :-)
>
> NO SYNTAX!
>
> You want uniform name spaces. Every possible interface of your OS
> has to look exactly the same as every other interface. You should
> be able to create a process the same way you create a file, the
> same way you create a network connection, the same way you create
> a window; it all depends on which object you're talking to.
one word - LispM.
--
johan kullstam
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From: K Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is This Illegal?
Date: 2 Jun 1999 21:23:53 GMT
Thanks to everyone who either e-mailed or posted a follow-up to my post.
Just so my post was not misconstrued as I am intending, although I could
see how it may have been, to burn distro CDs to distribute for profit, I
refer to you the links below:
http://x29.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=
484192806&CONTEXT=928357649.1487929504&hitnum=7
http://x40.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=
484202166&CONTEXT=928357893.1605828611&hitnum=3
As you can see, my post arose to question the legality of the practice of
the business mentioned in the 2nd link; furthermore, I clearly instruct
the original poster as to how he can obtain a RH6.0 CD more economically
if he's had experience with it already, and never even mention or allude
to some "gray" market product.
I'm NOT looking for apologies; I just want to set the record straight and
I certainly didn't appreciate the tone with which some of the replies were
written in, especially via e-mail. I'll stop now before a flame war
ensues.
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:03:00 GMT
Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>Now don't you think libc calls the kernel?
>In order to do anything, output to the user, the kernel has to
>become involved. Somewhere, someplace the kernel gets called. It has to.
>And because of the virus like nature of the GPL we are infected.
>
>Now maybe you don't call this linking since it is already there, but
>effectively that is what it is.
>
>Now why didn't Linus use the LGPL instead of the GPL for the kernel?
>The GPL doesn't protect the kernel anymore than the LGPL would of.
>Or am I missing something?
You seem to be assuming that just linking to the kernel causes
something to be a "derived work" of the kernel. I contend that
this is not the case. Consider the example of a program written
entirely in ANSI C and a dynamic library to which the program
is dynamically linked which implements ANSI C. It is, to me,
obvious that the program is not a derived work of the library,
but that both the library and the program are derived works of
the ANSI C standard.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.minix,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: Does this OS exist?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:03:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martijn van Buul) wrote:
[snip]
>I never really understood why an OS should be single user, single tasking
>AND running in protected mode in the same moment.
>
>If there's only one process, what's the use of protecting things?
Because it controls access to a piece of hardware?
Norman
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 02 Jun 1999 16:57:00 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
> It certainly is a quirky, but very reliable design; can't find much
> fault with that. And it's very object oriented, if you think about it;
> when a program opens a pathname, the program doesn't particularly care
> whether it's a file, a tape device, a CD-ROM, or a teletype/serial device,
> at least for the open and read. (It's not a perfect OO, though.)
the unix filesystem is the antithesis of object orientation. each
file is a sequence of bytes. no more, no less. there is no file-type
info going with the file detailing its contents, format and other
properties.
an object oriented file would give you *its own* functions to read and
write to it. it would provide interpretation of itself. unix files
do not do this.
whether this is good or bad has nothing to do with object orientation.
i'd personally prefer more object orientation in my files, but that is
of no consequence since file as `bag of bytes' is so ingrained in
unix-think it would be impossible to change now. however, unix files
are, for better or worse, not oriented objects.
--
johan kullstam
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From: Mike Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH 5.1 version.h file!!!
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:53:23 -0400
I don't have a version.h file on my Red Hat 5.1, kernel version
2.0.34-0.6 computer. I also don't have the /linux directory under the
/usr/include directory.
Red Hat doesn't recognize the "make" command, so I can't do a make
config in order to generate the version.h file.
Any ideas on what I can do?
Thanks!
Mike
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