Linux-Misc Digest #479, Volume #20 Thu, 3 Jun 99 18:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Decent Partition Sizes?? (David Graham)
Re: KDE very slow (Taos Mountain - Justin Young)
Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me ("Kalle Wisch")
Re: problem with locate (Rick Miller)
Re: Need reasons for Mandrake over RH ("Anthony DeLuca")
Re: Anyone know a good linux book (Stephen Hammond)
Re: vmware for linux (Jean-Francois MOINE)
Re: SuSE vs Red Hat? (Clarence Riddle)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Jeff Shern)
Re: AfterStep or KDE or ...? Which one? (ray)
Re: SuSE vs Red Hat? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help with Masquerading. (James Peterson)
Upgrading egcs on RedHat 5.2 to 1.1.2? (Peter Eddy)
2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory! (Joe Robertson)
Re: Cable Modems (Jason Abate)
linux beginner-somebody help (Vladan)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Eugene O'Neil)
Re: 2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory! (Greg Yantz)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: Can anybody recommend a multi-user email. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Oracle8i for Linux: Anyone have their CD yet? ("Scott Roberts")
Re: antivirus (Bruno Wolff III)
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From: David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Decent Partition Sizes??
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:04:54 -0400
Don't forget /opt.
If you are are going to install kde, StarOffice, stuff like that (I
realize you said this box was for "inet services"), they install into
/opt. So...either make a generous /opt partition or create your f/s in
advance, and symlink /opt to /usr/opt.
Probably a good idea to make a separate /tmp also, just to keep it on a
separate f/s.
If you can guesstimate the usage adequately, I suggest putting /home on
its own f/s instead of a symlink. This will make it easier to deal with
problems (problems? who ever has problems?) without touching user home
directories, by umounting /home and fixing whatever, even a complete
reinstall, then remounting /home.
David Graham
--
> > I am going to setup a new box for almost all inet services.
> > Will be using Redhat 5.2 kernel 2.2.9. I will be using a
> > PII-300MHz based 64MB RAM and 4.3GB SCSI HDD.
> >
>
> I normally use 128m for /, 128m for /var, 64-128m for swap, and the rest
> under /usr. Create a /usr/home, and symlink /home to /usr/home for user
> home directories. /var is really the tricky one...depending on how big
> your mail/news spool will be, or if you'll have a LOT of logs, you may
> need to increase /var size.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Taos Mountain - Justin Young)
Subject: Re: KDE very slow
Date: 3 Jun 1999 19:59:22 GMT
The problem with the KDE rpms is that they're not optimized well. You can either use
the Mandrake RPM's (a better solution is to just upgrade to Mandrake 6.0 available at
http://www.cheapbytes.com/) or compile the KDE package yourself.
You have enough RAM and swap. Your CPU isn't too shabby. Recompiling the kernel
won't make a darn bit of difference. Recompile with the -no-rtti (or whatever the
thing is in egcs) and the -mpetium option and you'll notice a huge difference in
performance and available RAM.
Also KDE 1.1.1released is better since it has a lot fewer leaks. (Can't wait for KDE
1.1.2)
Hope this helps.
In article <7hg50o$c68$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Before using KDE I was using fvwm2. When I installed KDE I thought it
>looked pretty cool, but I made a system menu program that runs when I
>initially log in which prompts me for which windows manager I want. I
>have been having serious problems with KDE as well. It is quite
>sluggish, and often it will lock up my system hard. I can not
>ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-del out of the session. I can telnet
>into the system from another machine on my network but when I kill X
>nothing happens. There is nothing I can kill which frees the system
>from the locked X session. The only thing I can do is init 6 or init
>0. It takes about 3 minutes to respond to that, then finally reboots
>(or shuts down).
>I am on fvwm2 again right now for the first time in a few weeks and am
>reminded of how snappy/fast my system once was. I've already tried
>taxing my system to see if it will crash the way KDE does, and I've not
>been able to crash it with fvwm (opening several instances of Netscrape
>with heavy java pages, etc).
>I have a K6-200, 64M memory, 128M swap, RH5.2 (kernel 2.0.36). I
>ordered RH6.0 yesterday. I read somewhere that kernel 2.2 improves
>things. Hopefully so.
>
>Has anyone tried GNOME? How does it compare? Slow?
>
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I recently tried KDE 1.1.1pre1 and yes, KDE is tremendously slow.
>> Someone somewere down the development line REALLY screwed this one up.
>> KDE Beta3 was the last KDE I tried that worked (Beta4 turned out
>broken
>> and I quit using it) it was somewhat slow to start, but then ran just
>> fine for the most part...slower then other systems, but it was a
>> reasonable amount for what you got. The new KDE seems to be much
>slower
>> then would be expected for what you get, especially considering that
>it
>> runs slower now on a 200Mhz then it did then on a 150 with less RAM.
>> Looks like the desktop fiasco has taken a major turn for the worst.
>>
>
>
>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
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--Justin
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From: "Kalle Wisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:44:03 +0200
HaHaHa
Very funny, indeed !!
SuSE means: Gesellschaft f�r Software und Systementwicklung mbH
Software
und
System-
Entwicklung
...so it is a software and system-developing company.
Vorsprung durch Technik as they say in Germany.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb in Nachricht
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>>Yes, but when people ask, "So, what OS you runnin' these days?" it sounds
>>>soooo much cooler to answer, "Why, Red Hat, of course." than to say "Me,
I
>>>like Soooze." I mean, "Sooze?" Come on, really.
>....<snip>...
>> The best name anybody's thought up for their distribution so
>>far is slackware though. It's only my opinion of course, but it's
>>true. I will however agree that RedHat ain't a bad name either. Maybe
>>Suse is ultra-cool in German.
>>
>....<snip>...
> I just had a thought, could 'Suse' have been inspired by the name
>of German computer pioneer Konrad Zuse?
>
>--
>Praeterea censeo Micromolle non esse utendum.
>("Moreover, I maintain that Microsoft should not be used." A toned down
>adaptation of a sig from Cato the Elder regarding the city of Carthage.
> ---- Remove "UhUh" and "Spam" to get my real email address -----
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From: Rick Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: problem with locate
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:33:55 -0400
TurkBear wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >I just installed RedHat 6.0.
> >When I use the locate command I get the message ;
> >locate: decode_db(): open: (2) No such file or directory
> >Does someome know what can be wrong ?
> >Thanks in advance for the answer
> >Maurice Mahieu
>
> I believe that you need to 'populate' the database before its first use...
>
> Try
>
> /etc/cron.daily/updatedb.cron
>
> as root...
>
> ( This is based on my memory of 5.2, so 6.0 may handle it differently, but it
> shouldn't hurt to try...)
My RH 6.0 box does not have /etc/cron.daily/updatedb.cron. This happened
when I upgraded from 5.2 to 6.0. It looks like 6.0 replaced it with slocate.
Try executing slocate as root and see what happens.
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From: "Anthony DeLuca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need reasons for Mandrake over RH
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:18:57 -0400
With Mandrake 6.0 you can switch between KDE and GNOME, just to name one new
cool feature..... Just check out the complete list at the Mandrake site
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/main.php3 and see the improvements in
version 6.0 and then compare to Red Hat 6.0... Mandrake is a no brainer and
great for beginners... I run Madrake version 5.3 and it is really great and
now I will upgrade to version 6.0... I don't know which is better KDE or
GNOME, since I have only used KDE, which isn't too bad... I will test GNOME
in version 6.0....Mandrake is good because they want to make the OS for the
desktop. This way it is easy and accessable to all. Well you have my two
cents. I hope it helps...
Tony
Rushuru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7j6a25$a13$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
> 7j4h9r$1f4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Okay, I need reasons to convince the other sysadmins to use Mandrake 6.0
> > over RH for our servers, 1st and desktops, 2nd.
> >
> > I know that Mandrake is faster since it is completely compiled for the
> > Pentium versus RH's kernel only (IMHO, this should be enough). I also
> > know that Mandrake has newer rpm's for gnome, kde, and the kernel.
> >
> > My question is what other reasons can I give (or am I missing)?
>
> If they like that plain and ugly wm called KDE, then they should go for
the
> Mandrake
>
> But if they prefer Gnome, they should stick to RH6 (or Debian Potatoe)
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Hammond)
Subject: Re: Anyone know a good linux book
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:29:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2 Jun 1999 20:04:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (User941444) wrote:
>Personally im a windows 95/98 expert and have recently installed red hat 6. Im
>finding certain thinks confusing and difficult. Can anyone reomemnd a good book
>thAT NOT ONLY LOOKS AT LINUX BUT the graphical user intefaces like kde and
>gnome as many books ive looked at only cover the command you type, not press
>with the mouse.
>2. Is there actually a great deal of difference between red hat 5.2 and 6. I
>mean, would a book for 5.2 be fine for 6, and to what extent.
I'm suprised to hear you say that most books concentrate on commmand
line stuff. Those are the books I want to find, but I keep getting
books that give me only the bare minimum on commandline and way to
much on GUI crap. The last book I worked over pretty well was Red Hat
Linux Unleased, 3rd edition, by David Pitts and Bill Ball, SAMS
Publishing. I think it was a pretty good place to start, but it was
to GUI centric for me.
I'd love to hear what books you like that are command line centric.
Regards,
-Stephen Hammond
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jean-Francois MOINE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vmware for linux
Date: 03 Jun 1999 13:09:20 +0200
>>>>> "Ramin" == Ramin Sina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a skrive:
Ramin> has anyone tried vmware ? Any opinions?
Ramin> Ramin Sina
Very impressive.
I use it at work for NT/Unix developments:
- I develop on a SunSparc workstation.
- To test on Linux, I rlog to a Linux box, 5 rooms further.
- To test on NT, I use the mingw32 cross-compiler on Linux,
and I run the programs on NT inside vmware on Linux
(with the display on the SparcStation).
(all common files reside on Sun servers running both NFS and Samba).
I do all this from my SparcStation, and I have to move only to drink
some coffee!
--
Ken ar c'henta� ** Breizh ha Linux atav ! **
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jef (home mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Clarence Riddle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: SuSE vs Red Hat?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:12:13 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Redhat 5.2 and 6.0 has been good to me. They are easier to install then win95,
win98, or winNT4 server.
I run them all. Much easier to install then SCO Unix 3.2.4(ODT 3)
cgr
Mohd H Misnan wrote:
> On 1 Jun 1999 21:00:12 GMT, Rec0il wrote:
> >Redhat is too expensive! Get SuSE.
> >
> >Syed Mujtaba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >> Hello folks,
> >> i am currently in the market to buy Linux, and cannot decide whether
> >> to get SuSE 6.1 or Red Hat Linux 6? any input on the matter would be
> >> most appreciated.
> >> thanks
>
> Uggh.. USD1.99 or a free download off the net is 'too expensive'?
>
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From: Jeff Shern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:39:44 -0600
Ed Avis wrote:
> >>Also, I think it's an infringement of my privacy that I have to
> >>inform the government if I'm collecting a list of names.
> >
> >And I suppose you believe that a national ID infringes your privacy, too.
>
> Not privacy - the govt. has records of who I am anyway - but it would
> really piss me off to have to carry an ID card with me.
>
> --
> Ed Avis
Looked in your wallet lately? Drivers licence, social security card, credit
card.. Sure you can leave the house without them.. as long as you don't take
the car, don't plan on getting a job, or cashing a check. Like it or not, we
are this close [--] to having National IDs
BTW, what does this have to do with Linux advocacy? Well, let me think.. hmm.
usually I can come up with some connection.. but this time I'm at a loss..
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AfterStep or KDE or ...? Which one?
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:09:10 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yibing Fan wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just started to use linux a month ago. Slowly, I am getting
> everything running my way. I just switched to AfterStep and then I
> heard about KDE. I read about it, and now I am confused about so many
> choices of desktop environment. Which one do you recommend?
I have been using Linux a good while longer and have not as yet
settled on a Window Manager. I have tried several different distributions
that come with different Window Managers. I have just settled on using
Slackware Linux Distribution after some time with RH, Debian, and Caldera.
I have used them all, mwm to E/Gnome. If system resorces are short you
can't beat ICE WM. If ease of use and you have a really good machine
to run it on KDE is the one for you.
My machine is somewhere in the middle and I have been using
Window Maker for a couple weeks. I really like the themes.
> I need a good file manager, I tried mc, xfm came with RedHat5.2 and
> later dfm. mc still need a lot improvement to be in the same league as
> its windows counterpart. I can't stand xfm. dfm is OK but still fall
> short. KDE's file manager must be great, as I read. But is that the KDE
> a resource monster?
A good file manager is TKDesk. You can look it up on Freshmeat.net
--
ray <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Slackware 4.0 Kernel 2.2.6 <http://www.slackware.com>
"I think, therefore I Slack."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: SuSE vs Red Hat?
Date: 2 Jun 1999 17:19:41 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst David Fox <d s f o x @ c o g s c i .
u c s d . e d u> eloquently scribe:
: p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:> Hello,
:>
:> I must agree with the this point of view. I have tryed Redhat 5.2 and
:> results were OK. Recently installing Suse Linux 6.1 on my laptop has
:> made me a believer. I actually installed it on my laptop after 2
:> attempts.
:>
:> Redhat has sold out. Suse is were its at.
: I'd be more interested if Suse didn't have a proprietary package
: manager. Proprietary software seems a bit risky to me. Or has that
: changed? Or was I misinformed?
SuSE uses the same package manager as Red Hat... rpm. There's no stopping
you from installing from other packages such as tar.gz though. You can even
convert between them using alien, if you feel the need.
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From: James Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Help with Masquerading.
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:56:39 -0500
or you could have just loaded them in your rc.local if you are running
slackware or rehat... and if you have them compiled n you kernal with
debian they will load automatically.
--
************************************
James Peterson
Network Administerator
Roman Meal Milling Company, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Peter Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Upgrading egcs on RedHat 5.2 to 1.1.2?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 21:03:59 +0000
I'd like to upgrade egcs on RedHat 5.2 to the current version (1.1.2)
but it does not seem to be available in .rpm format. It seems like
using a non-.rpm upgrade path means that a lot of the functionality of
RPM will be lost. Is there a place egcs .rpm updates hide or am I
finaly going to be forced to switch to Debian? (or FreeBSD for that
matter)
Thanks,
Peter
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From: Joe Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux
Subject: 2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory!
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:49:50 -0500
I don't get this.. I'm running RedHat 6.0 with a minimum of services.. and
after a reboot, my free memory is only about 24MB(out of 64). A few hours
later, I have about 1.7MB free, and my swap starts to become active.. I do
not have many users, nor memory-eating apps.. it all seems to go into
"cached" memory.. Now cache is nice, but I don't want all my available
memory allocated to it! And I want to avoid swap usage... can anyone
help??
Here is output of "free" command:
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 62860 60688 2172 36268 1668 42632
-/+ buffers/cache: 16388 46472
Swap: 24060 1068 22992
Thanks a bunch..
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Abate)
Subject: Re: Cable Modems
Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:37:33 GMT
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:04:41 -0400, Anthony DeLuca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does LINUX have support for cable modems? If not will it?
Yes, it does. Most (if not all) cable modems connect to a machine
via ethernet, so they look like any other ethernet network. I've
been using Time Warner's RoadRunner with my Linux box for about
three months without much trouble. There is a cable modem HOWTO
on sunsite that might be of interest...
-jason
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Texas Institute for Computational and Applied Mathematics
304 SHC, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78712
Work: 512-471-6947 Home: 512-912-1012 Fax: 512-471-8694
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From: Vladan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux beginner-somebody help
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:01:22 GMT
Gentleman, what Linux would YOu recomend ? I have heard that Red Hat is
the best.
And would You recomend any truly good books. Is there any books that
makes parallel between Unix and Linux.
And also any good web sites with tutorials on this topic ?
thanks !!!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eugene O'Neil)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 99 15:19:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Anthony Ord) wrote:
>On Mon, 24 May 1999 12:14:35 +0000, Jamie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>Iain Georgeson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Iain, forced to use DOS every working day.
>>
>>It is amazing the number of people that do not realise that Win 95 is
>>running on top of DOS just like 3.x did. They just put a (not so)
>>pretty picture up at the begining to hide the DOS stuff at boot time.
>
>Some people deny it point-blank when you clue them in. They
>come up with all sort of funny explanations...
What really amuses me is when they counter with "oh yeah? well, X windows runs
on top of UNIX just like Windows runs on DOS!" That may be true, but it misses
the point. The fact that Windows runs on top of an operating system isn't the
problem. The problem is that operating system it runs on is *DOS*.
-Eugene
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory!
Date: 03 Jun 1999 17:50:21 -0400
Joe Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't get this.. I'm running RedHat 6.0 with a minimum of services.. and
> after a reboot, my free memory is only about 24MB(out of 64). A few hours
> later, I have about 1.7MB free, and my swap starts to become active..
It's supposed to work like that. "Free" memory is unused (and thus
useless) memory. Your RAM is being used for things like filesystem
cache.
> I do not have many users, nor memory-eating apps.. it all seems to go into
> "cached" memory.. Now cache is nice, but I don't want all my available
> memory allocated to it!
It's OK. There is a certain amount of memory that is still "free", in
case one of your applications suddenly needs more memory, or you start
another app.
> And I want to avoid swap usage... can anyone help??
>
> Here is output of "free" command:
> total used free shared buffers cached
> Mem: 62860 60688 2172 36268 1668 42632
> -/+ buffers/cache: 16388 46472
> Swap: 24060 1068 22992
>
> Thanks a bunch..
> Joe
-Greg
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:19:54 -0700
Thomas Parsli wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>"Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Thomas Parsli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > > Miguel Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > news:IsT43.1183$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > >> *NT* afaik is *not* free.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Either is a professional UNIX.
>> >
>> > Please tell Walnut Creek that FreeBSD is unprofessional, tell Cisco
that
>> > their worldwide print-system is based on an unprofessional OS (Linux),
>> > tell Amerada Hess Corp (global oil giant) that their linux-based
>> > (Beowolf) cluster is unprofessional...
>
>You didn't comment this one did you?
>
Nope.
>> > > > I take it your definition of a professional Unix is "one that is
not
>> > > > available for free."
>> > > >
>> > > > miguel
>> >
>> > > Essentially, hobbyists don't have the discipline to do it properly.
For
>> > > examples look at Disk Druid, and RH 6.0.
>> >
>> > And that makes Linux unprofessional?
>> >
>> > Thomas
>> >
>> In a word. Yes! Leaving a bug in a recommended installer program that
will
>> destroy data is UNPROFESSIONAL!
>
>1) Don't call RedHat Linux, it's a distribution...
>2) Call diskdruid bad/flawed/unprofessional, judging an OS by one of the
programs
>a user could use is just plain stupid.
>3) Write something with several thousends lines of codes and you get
bugs...
>4) Can you give an example of a PROFESSIONAL OS?
VMS, MVS, MCP, OS/360
>
>Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can anybody recommend a multi-user email.
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:58:03 GMT
Thanks for the replies I should have included more info in the original
post. The computer is in a University lab and hence would be collecting
mail from the main site imap server.
>From reading about Mozilla it may provide what I need, eventually.
In article <7i1src$hnc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a Linux machine in a shared lab can anyone recommend a
Multi-user
> email client to put on it. to be used in a single guest account.
>
> The other users are mostly computer illiterate, so needs to be nice
> and simple point and click.
>
> The only other requirement is that the Mail must be left on the server
> and not clog up the Hard drive.
>
> Thanks in advance Douglas.
>
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>
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From: "Scott Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.databases.oracle.misc,comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.databases,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Oracle8i for Linux: Anyone have their CD yet?
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:16:43 -0500
Art S. Kagel wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> > Well, it's now late May and Oracle said they'd be sending out
their 8i
>> > Linux CDs by now. Anyone have Oracle8i for Linux yet?
>>
>> I haven't. But I'm not suprised.
>>
>> I have signed up for similar offers from Oracle in the past, and
never
>> recieved anything from them but junk mail. What a rip.
>
>Gee, Informix promised Informix Dynamic Server 7.30 for January and
>delivered it in January! They have even extended the original $99
>offer for a fully supported license! By the time Oracle finally gets
>8i out the door Informix will probably have its entire product line
on
>Linux.
>
>Art S. Kagel
I ordered the trial version of Oracle 8 2 weeks ago and received it
last week. Don't know about 8i though.
Scott
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruno Wolff III)
Subject: Re: antivirus
Date: 3 Jun 1999 21:08:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, by
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short):
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> i'm trying to decide whether or not to use an anti-virus program for my
>> linux machine. does anyone have some input on this and/or if anyone uses
>> one, which is better: dr. soloman, antiVir/X, mcafee ?
>> thanks in advance, bg
>>
>>
> Well, to my knowledge, there are no viruses for windows =)
> The only way you could do something damaging to data is to install a
> trojan program, or run a script/run a command that you dont know what it
> does - and it happens to rm -rf / (dont do it ;))
This is really a problem and it could use a solution. Virus checking isn't it.
For example if I want to play a commercial game on my machine, but I don't
want the program to have access to the network or perhaps only to specified
locations, there currently isn't a way to do that.
Even for stuff that comes as source I don't necessarily want to verify it
myself or wait until I think someone else would have reported any covert
activity publicly.
People on working on subdividing privileges as a kernel enhancement, but
as far as I can tell, they are only doing this for privileges currently
provided by root access, not user access. Does anyone know if there are
plans to make it easy for users to confine untrusted programs?
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