Linux-Misc Digest #479, Volume #21 Fri, 20 Aug 99 17:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: SVGAText (Jayan M)
Re: Boot crashes at module dependancies. (Peter Moore)
Re: Looking for a WWIV-like BBS for Linux (Nicholas Pappas)
XV Copilation error on RH6.0 (Matthew Jochum)
Re: Any free SQL server available? (Chris Butler)
Re: a HUGE problem (help please!!) (Chris Butler)
Re: can't find mail fetched with fetchmail (Vilmos Soti)
data dump in unix ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Redhat: Where is bootpd (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: *nix vs. MS security (Vilmos Soti)
Re: why not C++? (Randall Parker)
Looking for sound module (Tirado)
Re: Accessing Linux from NT (Thomas Zajic)
Re: RedHat kernel patches? (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Re: *nix vs. MS security (Oystein Viggen)
Re: Error in exec of second stage loader RH6 (Joel Sloan)
Re: *nix vs. MS security (David C.)
Re: why not C++? (Randall Parker)
Re: Sound help needed (Cooper)
Re: OT, bad profs, Re: *nix vs. MS security (Kevin Esme Cowles)
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From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SVGAText
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:45:30 GMT
> <<snip>>
I think Gen. Failure is the head of Microsoft's anti-linux
operations.. be warned!
:-)
Jayan
> --
> Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Boot crashes at module dependancies.
Date: 20 Aug 1999 19:12:19 GMT
>> I've just recompiled my kernel (2.2.5) on my RedHat6.0 system for the first
>> time. When it's booting up, it get's stuck at "Finding module dependancies"
>> after a little disk-reading. I did 'make modules' and 'make
>> modules_install' when recompiling, and also 'depmod -a'.
>> Does anyone know what the problem might be?
I seem to have the same problem (RH6.0). Pressing ctrl-c will at least
let you get past the hang. Then things seem pretty normal, so you can mess
around to fix things...
I then get an error about "execvp not found" and some other stuff
flashing by that I can't read fast enough (tried dmesg, but those errors
aren't there).
Anyone know how I might see those errors at a more readable pace? Also,
has anyone found a URL for some RH6.0 specific instructions? I've spent a
lot of time reading different HOW-TO's on kernel compiles, and each one is
just different enough to be confussing. I've been using Unix at school for
a while, and am comfortable with it, but am pretty new to being the admin
of my own Linux box... Any help is appreciated.
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From: Nicholas Pappas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Looking for a WWIV-like BBS for Linux
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:15:57 -0400
I ran WWIV back during the BBS hay-day, I've still got my source code
sitting around somewhere...maybe. :)
The BBS software actually still excists, I think you can find the website
at www.wwiv.com (if you didn't already know). I do not know if they have
any plans (or already have) ported it to Linux, but it is worth a look see.
Actually, if you find anything out -- let me know, I'd be interested in
checking out the software too!
Nick
"K. Eggleston" wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for BBS software that is as close to the original WWIV
> experience as possible for Linux. Open source code would be a nice perk
> as well, because I love to customize! (Free would be nice, too!)
>
> I looked at Falken but am not extremely impressed with its features or
> the asinine policy of the author that "source code is not available to
> anyone under any circumstances". Excuse me???? As if someone's going to
> rip of his BBS code and go make a million bucks with it.. give me a
> break.
>
> Any tips would be appreciated!
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/*********************************************************************
Nicholas Pappas Hey, life is pretty stupid.
Lucent Technologies With lots of hub-bub to keep you busy,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] But really not amounting to much.
1D-185N - Shakespeare
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From: Matthew Jochum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: XV Copilation error on RH6.0
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:25:16 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Everyone,
When I try to compile XV3.10a on RH6.0 I get the
following error.
PGC-S-0103-Illegal operand types for comparison operator
(xvbrowse.c: 5033)
PGC-S-0094-Illegal type conversion required (xvbrowse.c:
5294)
PGC/x86 Linux/x86 3.0-4: compilation completed with severe
errors
make: *** [xvbrowse.o] Error 1
I have compiled all of the other files be hand, so this
(xvbrowse.c) is the only one that is causing trouble. I
don't know why there are errors, the lines' syntax appears
correct. The first error is referencing this line:
if (srcSt.st_dev == dstSt.st_dev && srcSt.st_ino ==
dstSt.st_ino) {
I'm not too great w/ C, but there doesn't appear to be
anything wrong there...
Here is the next line that is returning an error:
if (mknod(cpDstPath, (st->st_mode & 07777) | S_IFIFO,
0)) {
This may have something to do w/ the syntax of mknod, but
again, I do not know enough about C to be sure,
Any help is appreciated,
Thanks,
Matt
ps: reply directly to me, as I can't check the newserver
often.
--
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Quote:
Seagulls ... They swoop in, make alot of noise, mess everywhere,
and then dissappear at the first sign of trouble.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Butler)
Subject: Re: Any free SQL server available?
Date: 19 Aug 1999 12:16:37 +0100
[comp.os.linux.misc - 18 Aug 1999 09:48:09 -0400] * Doug wrote *
> In article <7pbg46$6sm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chris Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[comp.os.linux.misc - Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:43:40 -0400] * WME wrote *
>>> Is there any free SQL server available for commercial use?
>>
>>There is PostgreSQL, which is free for commercial use, and mySQL, I believe
>>was recently GPLed, so that's free for commercial use also.
> The "documentation" and "news" links on "http://www.tcx.se/" (which I
> believe is the home of MySQL) don't mention this. If it's true, it's
> great news. Got any references?
Sorry, no. I've only seen the messages being passed around on the Debian
list about it.
--
Chris Butler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Butler)
Subject: Re: a HUGE problem (help please!!)
Date: 19 Aug 1999 12:12:54 +0100
[comp.os.linux.misc - Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:45:48 -0400] * Dave wrote *
> i'm using the debian distribution of linux. i decided to update to the
> most recent "unstable" release today , using apt-get to do this. but a
> very large problem ended up developing. after finishing the download of
> all the new packages (one of which was an update to bash) it began the
This is (well, was) a temporary problem in the bash package (now fixed, I
believe).
Reboot from a rescue floppy, and unpack the bash package manually, put
bash in /bin, then dpkg -i the bash package. ie:
# mount <root partition> /mnt
# cd /mnt
# dpkg --fsys-tarfile <path to bash .deb> | tar xv
# chroot /mnt
# dpkg -i <path to bash .deb>
Installing the bash .deb just makes sure that the status information is
all correct.
--
Chris Butler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't find mail fetched with fetchmail
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:49:18 GMT
Philip S Tellis wrote:
>
> When I use fetchmail, the mail comes in properly, but I do not know
> where it goes from there. I know it is supposed to be forwarded to port
> 25, but it doesn't end up in anyone's inbox. What do I have to set the
> local name as? I've set it to philip - my username, but it doesn't show
> up. I then changed it to philip@localhost, still no luck. What to do?
> I have looked through the entire manual pages for both fetchmail and
I had similar problems on RH51. The problem was my machine's name was
incorrect.
Vilmos
--
Looking for a job in British Columbia.
http://members.home.net/vilmossoti/resume.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: data dump in unix
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:33:51 GMT
Hi,
I was trying to data dump in unix directly from a tape which contained
attributes in EBCDIC, Packed Format and Zoned Format. The command I
used was
$dd if=<inputfile> conv=ascii of=<outputfile>
when I saw the output the EBCDIC attributes were converted into ascii
but the others gave out garbled characters. Has anyone dealt with this
issue before. Please let me know.
Thx.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Redhat: Where is bootpd
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:10:01 GMT
Ralph C. Blach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Ok,
:
: I give up. In what redhat rpm is bootpd kept?
On my RH v5.1 system, it's in bootp-2.4.3-7.i386.rpm. Note that there is an
update package on the RH website, and this is the updated version.
Stu
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From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:32:04 GMT
> "But you know what they say - The world wasn't built in a day"
When did the first NT come out? How usable was Linux at that time? Who
had better access to resources? Linux got there where it is now through
words from friends and not through multi million (if not billion) dollar
marketing machines.
Vilmos
--
Looking for a job in British Columbia.
http://members.home.net/vilmossoti/resume.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randall Parker)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:18:40 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> MHO: optimizations for specific hardware should be the responsibility of
> the compiler
But if the compiler doesn't do the optimization the result is slower
code.
If, for instance, you don't need ii to go from 0 to 9 and it is just as
easy to count down then it makes sense to code your for loops that way.
Almost all processor instruction sets have a decrement and test for 0 and
by doing the decrement to 0 you may avoid the reloading of the boundary
test value at the bottom of pass thru a big loop. I fail to see how such
an optimization is going to slow it down for some processors so why not
make it a standard practice?
I've been faced with situations where my choice was either write it in
assembly to make it fast enough or write very careful C to make it fast
enough. Well, I chose the latter.
One of the advantages of your coding carefully in C is that you rarely
will thereby write code that an optimizer will make go slower and usually
even when using an optimizing compiler the code will be faster than code
written with less thought of the fact that underlying hardware will
execute it.
>and, given that you're interested in writing general,
> portable code and not device drivers, etc. the programmer should not
> bother to concern him/herself with them.
Most C optimizations are not specific to a particular processor
architecture. Most of those that are are not, as a result, going to be
slower when later compiled for a different processor architecture.
However, the fact is that if you are writing in C and you do not
consciously code for a particular processor architecture your style may
accidentally lend itself to one processor architecture over another.
For instance, some processor architectures can shift left faster than
shifting right (or maybe I have that backward). So if you do your
shifting always one way you are writing your code to be faster or slower
for a particular processor architecture whether you are aware of this or
not.
> I never look at what my code is making the machine actually do when
> writing C, since I write code that runs on many platforms and that kind
> of optimization in C is useless (or worse) in the large.
You ought to start looking at the generated assembly on a couple of
different architectures and see whether your carefree attitude isn't
consistently costing you performance loss unnecessarily.
> If I care that much about what the machine is actually doing, well,
> that's what the asm statement is for, right?
If you care enough about what the machine is doing you can code C better
so that the resort ot asm can happen less often.
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From: Tirado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Looking for sound module
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:30:49 GMT
Hi!
I�m trying to configure my computer for sound. I need the module opl3sa2.o
which is one of the drivers for my sound card. Does anyone knows where can
I get it? (or all the modules for kernel 2.0.36). I applied a patch to my
original kernel (2.0.35), but patches do not contain modules.
My computer is a Toshiba Satellite 4000 CDS with a Yamaha OPL3-SA3 sound
card.
Thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Accessing Linux from NT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:39:36 GMT
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:14:50 +0100, Neil Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The same computer
Try this one: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/Explore2fs.htm
HTH,
Thomas
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- "It is not easy to cut through a human head with a hacksaw." (M. C.) -
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Subject: Re: RedHat kernel patches?
Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:23:22 -0400
> I have RedHat 6.0 with kernel 2.2.5-15. I went to RedHat's ftp site and
> found in the upgrades only fully kernels 2.2.5.22. Does RedHat offer
> patches? Also I know that kernel 2.2.11 is out and I don't know why RedHat
> is not offering something higher than 5. I am new to Linux and am not
> totally familiar with these details.
>
> Someone in one of the newsgroups said something about stock kernels. What
> are they.
>
> Thanks for the help
Redhat's 2.2.5-15 is not the official 2.2.5 kernel distribution -- it
contains a lot of patches, some of which make their way into later
2.2.x kernels and some of which don't. It represents a minor fork in
the kernel development tree -- minor because eventually RedHat will
abandon their 2.2.5 kernel fork and put out a new kernel based on a
later 2.2.x kernel. Resynching all the Redhat patches with a new
official kernel is a pain. Considering the high frequency of kernel
releases, doing this for every new kernel would be insane.
The reason Redhat forks the kernel in this way is that RedHat's
priorities differ from those of the official kernel maintainers.
Stability and ease of instalation/use are the high priorities for
Redhat. In the official kernel distribution ease of installation and
use (and to some extent stability) are sacrificed in order to rapidly
introduce new capabilities.
You can stick with Redhat's kernels or you can download an official
kernel (try ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2). Don't try
applying Redhat's patches to an official kernel or applying the
official kernel's patches to the Redhat kernel unless you know what
you are doing.
Collin
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From: Oystein Viggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: 19 Aug 1999 22:53:51 +0200
Vilmos Soti wrote:
> > "But you know what they say - The world wasn't built in a day"
>
> When did the first NT come out? How usable was Linux at that time? Who
> had better access to resources? Linux got there where it is now through
> words from friends and not through multi million (if not billion) dollar
> marketing machines.
>
Just a question - Are you arguing with my .signature here?
A vcard, would be worth bitching about, but a NoMeansNo quote, is
not...
Oystein
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:)
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From: Joel Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Error in exec of second stage loader RH6
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:13:53 GMT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:34:56 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael David Jones) writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.) writes:
> >Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Forgot to mention - there are thousands of NT viruses but, AFAIK, no
> >> Unix viruses at all. Unix file permissions make it very difficult for
> >> any unauthorised code to be run, unless some careless sysadmin is
> >> surfing the Net as root.
> >Ummmm.... AFAIK, most of the early virusses (like Morris's Internet
> >Worm) were invented on UNIX and attacked UNIX systems. They just used a
> >different mechanism from what PC and Mac virusses use.
>
> First half-truth: Morris' worm wasn't a virus. It was a worm.
I should have guessed that this subject would attract someone looking
for a flame war.....
Whatever you want to call it, it was a program that spread from system
to system on its own. Whether the mechanism used involved altering
executables or something else doesn't change that fact.
> >And virusses that require user intervention (like happy99 and macro
> >virusses) can spread on any OS.
>
> Second half-truth: On Unix, these viruses are limited to damaging a
> single user (unless you can con somebody into using them as root).
> Viruses hitting users are quite unlikely to be able to damage the
> system.
E-mail virusses of this nature spread by reading users' addressbooks,
and e-mailing themselves around the network. They don't have to alter
any files to spread. They have only to be executed by a user, then they
run and spread themselves. They don't need to write anything to the
file system.
> And yes, you *can* set up NT that way, but virtually *all* software
> won't run that way. You make it sound like a minor inconvenience.
I _have_ set up NT systems that way, and only MS-Office had a problem
with it. Everything else ran perfectly well from directories that only
the administrator account had write-access to.
Yes, very few admins will ever set it up this way, but security doesn't
help a clueless admin in the first place.
-- David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randall Parker)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:06:39 -0700
It is not a concocted problem.
I've run into this sort of situation when dealing with writing interfaces
to a set of embedded devices which each had slightly different ways of
formatting their packets for serial communication.
I solved the problem by declaring pointers to functions where each
function had a different way of formatting output or of interpreting
input. I could make up a description for how to communicate to a
particular embedded device by selecting a set of pointers that together
worked with that device.
I've run into this kind of situation in other problem domains as well.
Lots of people solve it by putting in lots of flags and conditions within
code that gets executed so that in every pass thru the code the
particular way of doing each step has to be selected for every time thru.
Well, I don't like testing flags more often than necessary. It strikes me
as wasteful. Also, each routine that does get executed ends up being
bigger than it needs to be and more code has to be loaded into cache.
I've worked with embedded devices where the CPU had a large L1 cache and
all external RAM had many wait states on it. In those cases the ability
to make things small enough to fit in cache pays big dividends in
performance.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> Agreed that the language does not provide the capability you describe.
> However, one can easily achieve what you want.
>
> Let's call the base class MyClass1 and the subsequent classes MyClass2,
> MyClass3, and MyClass4 respectively. The implementation of MyClass4::bb
> would look like the following.
>
> ReturnType MyClass4::bb(Args args)
> {
> return MyClass1::bb(args);
> }
>
> This seems to be a more than adequate answer to your need, I think.
>
> I am curious to know whether this is a concocted problem or have you
> really faced such a problem?
>
>
>
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From: Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux.slakware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Sound help needed
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:41:30 -0100
JERE WAMBLE wrote:
>
> I have a pnp ess 1869 card and I have had no seccess in getting it to
> work. However, I do seem to have made one small step on the road. I
> don't know exactly how I did it, but I recompiled and when I boot up i
> see something to the effect
> ESS003 ess1869 card at Blah-blah location is ok.
> also, some other line that says the card is ok.
>
> However, I don't have any luck past there. When I check /dev/audio, I
> see the file there, but when I try to cat a file to it , I get the
> message
> "/dev/audio-no such device"
> I suppose this might be the problem, but not sure if it is the one, or
> the only one. I don't know what to do from here. I am not familiar wit
> the MAKDEV, or whatever, or even if I need to use it since the file is
> there, but not initialized.
> If someone could help, I would really appreciate it. It would sure help
> get further away from Windows. I have Slackware 4.0, with KDE. I have
> had sound working on another computer with Slackware 3.6, but no luck
> here. I do NOT really understand isapnp, but my tinkering around with it
> might be okay since I see the messages above on bootup.
The line about card blah blah ok looks like it indeed came from isapnp
meaning that your PnP card got initialised.
The thing about PnP devices is that support for them *MUST* be compiled
as a module. If you don't do it the kernel gets started first, along
with the support for the card which will fail because the card wasn't
initialised yet (which is what isapnp does). Isapnp can't start until
the kernel starts the rc.* files.
What you need to do is add lines to your /etc/conf.modules that
specifies the settings of your sound device.
Look in the Documentation subdir of the Linux sources for hints on that.
I don't have your card so I can't help you much further with this, but
this should at least point you in the right direction.
Oh, one more thing. The 'files' in /dev (they're devices!) aren't there
for what's in your system, but for what Linux would allow in your
system. And with that I mean Linux in general. Your kernel compilation
will typically exclude certain devices. That the device node is there
doesn't mean that there's actually a device behind it or that support
for it has been compiled into the kernel.
Test if your soundcard had been found by the system with 'cat
/dev/sndstat'.
Cooper
---
Quake 3 made me do it!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Esme Cowles)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: OT, bad profs, Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: 20 Aug 1999 10:21:33 -0700
In article <Tdev3.266$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rod Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:
>>
>> Don't argue when your professor teaches bullshit; graduate and make
>> more money than he does by your second year out.
>
>Professors, like most groups of human beings, vary a lot in how well they
>take criticism. The better ones often encourage debate and don't mind
>being shown to be wrong about something.
And one thing you can count on: almost all people take criticism very
poorly when they are trying to be authoritative, and encounter a
confrontational student trying to take down their opinions.
> They may even reward students
>who can do this by offering them research opportunities, one-on-one
>instruction, etc. Of course, that doesn't do you a whole lot of good if
>the professor you're showing up is one of the BAD ones, but I'd hate to
>see students as a whole stop thinking critically and raising those points
>in class. That'd be the death of higher learning, IMHO.
>
>(BTW, I'm speaking not just as a former student but as a former
>professor, though not in the computer field and only for a brief period.)
One thing I would definitely recommend is talking to the professor privately.
I think that if you presented some of the opinions discussed here (e.g.
open source means more debuggers, not at the whim of Microsoft) in a
non-confrontational way, that the prof would be a lot more inclined to
take it well. And particularly if you have a paper or project for the
class, it might be a good topic.
-Esme
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Esme Cowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .
http://gort.ucsd.edu/escowles/ . .
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