Linux-Misc Digest #583, Volume #20 Fri, 11 Jun 99 01:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: nohup and procmail (Glen Turner)
Re: emacs questions (Scott Lanning)
Re: 'top' is bottomles - ??? (Glen Turner)
Re: strange telnet problem (Charles Wilkins)
Re: Viewsonic G790 Equivalent for XFree86 Setup ... (Frank Singleton)
Re: Mounting CDROM (David Vrabel)
Re: Newbie prob with minicom ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I Still cant get the new kernel to install in SuSE1.6 (Chris Moyer)
links requests (root)
Re: Eggdrop v1.3.27... any good tutorials on the web? (Scott Lanning)
Re: Access Control (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: Commercially speaking....? (John Winters)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Mr S A Penny)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:05:13 +0930
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: nohup and procmail
Tom Shannon wrote:
> procmail reads my mail from /var/spool/mail and processes it more or
> less as you receive it. It works very well when run in the
> background. I just don't want it to stop when I logout.
I think you'll find that procmail is designed to be started
as the local delivery agent from within sendmail.
See sendmail.mc, you should have a lines that say:
define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')
FEATURE(local_procmail)
Because procmail is started from sendmail for each received
e-mail message, it doesn't matter whether you are logged in
or not.
Once you have done this (and RedHat uses procmail as the default
local delivery agent), all you need to do is to make sure the file
$HOME/.procmailrc exists with your procmail recipies.
If you don't have root access, you can also configure
procmail to be started for each message by adding a
line to your .forward file.
--
Glen Turner Network Specialist
Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: emacs questions
Date: 11 Jun 1999 02:52:09 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: 1. How do I do syntax highlighting on c mode?
(Already answered)
: 2. How do I scroll just 1 line when I press CTRL+n on last
: line of screen?
# info emacs display scrolling
(setq scroll-conservatively 1)
which was set to 0 by default, in which case emacs tried to
recenter the point. Set to 1, it only scrolls a sufficient
amount to maintain the point on the last line.
: 3. What's the command to go back to previous position
: after long jump?
# info emacs registers position
May I politely recommend reading the info pages if you would
like to be a programmer; they are very interesting to read.
Emacs is a grandiose, logical system with recurring themes
as in a symphony.
--
Scott Lanning: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://physics.bu.edu/~slanning
"How can we make our teaching so potent in the motional life of man,
that its influence should withstand the pressure of the elemental
psychic forces in the individual?" --Albert Einstein
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:09:59 +0930
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'top' is bottomles - ???
Jared Hecker wrote:
>
> Hello -
>
> I fired up 'top' on my RH5.2 system this evening, and it showed no
> processes in the bottom half of the screen. There were plenty there, too.
> Is this a bug?
It's a feature. `top' usually only shows the processes
owned by your UID.
--
Glen Turner Network Specialist
Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Wilkins)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: strange telnet problem
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:31:04 GMT
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:59:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Wilkins)
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 23:37:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Wilkins)
>wrote:
>
>>Sometimes (half the time) when I use vi over telnet (from win95 to
>>linux), I can't use my arrow keys to move around in the editor. Other
>>times I can.
>>
>>My telnet client and redhat configurations remain the same, yet
>>sometimes the arrows work and other times they dont.
>>
>>In addition, when the arrows arent working, (when I use j to scroll
>>down), the screen buffer doesnt refresh, so what I get is the bottom
>>line of text changes and thats it.
>>
>>Any ideas anybody?
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Charles Wilkins CNE / MCP / A+
>>Network Design Consultant
>>Practical Computer Solutions
>>http://www.pcscs.com
>>609-321-1530
>>609-321-0840 - fax
>
>Is it possible that running midnight commander's edit is changing
>global terminal settings somehow. Arrows are working in mc right now,
>but not in vi.
>
>This is really strange.
>
>
>
>Charles Wilkins CNE / MCP / A+
>Network Design Consultant
>Practical Computer Solutions
>http://www.pcscs.com
>609-321-1530
>609-321-0840 - fax
Well, after spending too much time trying to figure this out, i
stumbled across the problem. It is not on the Linux end.
I am using microslops telnet. When you choose to connect to a remote
system, it prompts you for the address, port, and term type.
When you go into the connect menu and select a previous connection,
settings from that last session are used. Apparently, somewhere along
the line, I had previously connected using ansi or ANSI. Where the
correct term type to select is vt100. (not in caps)
Thanks to all who helped.
Charles Wilkins CNE / MCP / A+
Network Design Consultant
Practical Computer Solutions
http://www.pcscs.com
609-321-1530
609-321-0840 - fax
--
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From: Frank Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Viewsonic G790 Equivalent for XFree86 Setup ...
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:47:37 -0500
> On 8 Jun 1999 01:10:58 GMT, Flash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hey,
> >
> >Just got a nice 19" Viewsonic G790 Monitor. I need to upgrade the video card
Hi,
I run G790 with expert@work 8MB with the following config file
and it is just great !!
Mostly I run at 16bpp 1600x1200 at FH=93.6khz and FV=74.9hz
according to the VIEWMETER on your monitor.
/ Frank
<snip>
# **********************************************************************
# Monitor section
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of monitor sections may be present
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "ViewSonic G790"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName "Unknown"
# HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified.
# HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
HorizSync 30-95
# VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified.
# VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
VertRefresh 50-180
# Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or
# a multi-line format.
# These two are equivalent
# ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817
Interlace
# Mode "1024x768i"
# DotClock 45
# HTimings 1024 1048 1208 1264
# VTimings 768 776 784 817
# Flags "Interlace"
# EndMode
# This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor
spec
# are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and
# VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to
# delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your
# monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor
# and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically
# used.
# 640x400 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x400" 25.175 640 664 760 800 400 409 411 450
# 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525
# 800x600 @ 56 Hz, 35.15 kHz hsync
ModeLine "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625
# 1024x768 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 35.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817
Interlace
# 640x400 @ 85 Hz, 37.86 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445
-HSync +VSync
# 640x480 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521
# 640x480 @ 75 Hz, 37.50 kHz hsync
ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500
-HSync -VSync
# 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628
+hsync +vsync
# 640x480 @ 85 Hz, 43.27 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480" 36 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509
-HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 89 Hz interlaced, 44 kHz hsync
ModeLine "1152x864" 65 1152 1168 1384 1480 864 865 875 985
Interlace
# 800x600 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "800x600" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666
+hsync +vsync
# 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806
-hsync -vsync
# 640x480 @ 100 Hz, 53.01 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480" 45.8 640 672 768 864 480 488 494 530
-HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 60 Hz, 53.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864" 89.9 1152 1216 1472 1680 864 868 876 892
-HSync -VSync
# 800x600 @ 85 Hz, 55.84 kHz hsync
Modeline "800x600" 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657
-HSync -VSync
# 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806
-hsync -vsync
# 1280x1024 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 51 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024" 80 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165
Interlace
# 800x600 @ 100 Hz, 64.02 kHz hsync
Modeline "800x600" 69.65 800 864 928 1088 600 604 610 640
-HSync -VSync
# 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823
# 1152x864 @ 70 Hz, 62.4 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864" 92 1152 1208 1368 1474 864 865 875 895
# 1280x1024 @ 61 Hz, 64.2 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054
# 1024x768 @ 85 Hz, 70.24 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 98.9 1024 1056 1216 1408 768 782 788 822 -HSync
-VSync
# 1152x864 @ 78 Hz, 70.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864" 110 1152 1240 1324 1552 864 864 876 908
# 1280x1024 @ 70 Hz, 74.59 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024" 126.5 1280 1312 1472 1696 1024 1032 1040 1068
-HSync -VSync
# 1600x1200 @ 60Hz, 75.00 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200" 162 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250
+HSync +VSync
# 1152x864 @ 84 Hz, 76.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864" 135 1152 1464 1592 1776 864 864 876 908
# 1280x1024 @ 74 Hz, 78.85 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1456 1712 1024 1027 1030 1064
# 1024x768 @ 100Hz, 80.21 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 115.5 1024 1056 1248 1440 768 771 781 802
-HSync -VSync
# 1280x1024 @ 76 Hz, 81.13 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1416 1664 1024 1027 1030 1064
# 1600x1200 @ 70 Hz, 87.50 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200" 189 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250
-HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 100 Hz, 89.62 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864" 137.65 1152 1184 1312 1536 864 866 885 902
-HSync -VSync
# 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz, 91.15 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072
+HSync +VSync
# 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz, 93.75 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200" 202.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250
+HSync +VSync
# 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz, 105.77 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200" 220 1600 1616 1808 2080 1200 1204 1207 1244
+HSync +VSync
# 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz, 107.16 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024" 181.75 1280 1312 1440 1696 1024 1031 1046 1072
-HSync -VSync
# 1800x1440 @ 64Hz, 96.15 kHz hsync
ModeLine "1800X1440" 230 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490
+HSync +VSync
# 1800x1440 @ 70Hz, 104.52 kHz hsync
ModeLine "1800X1440" 250 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490
+HSync +VSync
# 512x384 @ 78 Hz, 31.50 kHz hsync
Modeline "512x384" 20.160 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404
-HSync -VSync
# 512x384 @ 85 Hz, 34.38 kHz hsync
Modeline "512x384" 22 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404
-HSync -VSync
# Low-res Doublescan modes
# If your chipset does not support doublescan, you get a 'squashed'
# resolution like 320x400.
# 320x200 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio
Modeline "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225
Doublescan
# 320x240 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio
Modeline "320x240" 12.588 320 336 384 400 240 245 246 262
Doublescan
# 320x240 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "320x240" 15.750 320 336 384 400 240 244 246 262
Doublescan
# 400x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio
ModeLine "400x300" 18 400 416 448 512 300 301 302 312
Doublescan
# 400x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "400x300" 20 400 416 480 528 300 301 303 314
Doublescan
# 400x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "400x300" 25 400 424 488 520 300 319 322 333
Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio
ModeLine "480x300" 21.656 480 496 536 616 300 301 302 312
Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "480x300" 23.890 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314
Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 63 Hz, 39.6 kHz hsync
Modeline "480x300" 25 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314
Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "480x300" 29.952 480 504 584 624 300 319 322 333
Doublescan
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of graphics device sections may be present
Section "Device"
Identifier "Generic VGA"
VendorName "Unknown"
BoardName "Unknown"
Chipset "generic"
# VideoRam 256
# Clocks 25.2 28.3
EndSection
# Device configured by Xconfigurator:
Section "Device"
Identifier "My Video Card"
VendorName "Unknown"
BoardName "Unknown"
#VideoRam 8192
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************
# The Colour SVGA server
Section "Screen"
Driver "svga"
Device "Generic VGA"
#Device "My Video Card"
Monitor "ViewSonic G790"
Subsection "Display"
Depth 8
#Modes (null)
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection
# The 16-color VGA server
Section "Screen"
Driver "vga16"
Device "Generic VGA"
Monitor "ViewSonic G790"
Subsection "Display"
Modes "640x480" "800x600"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection
# The Mono server
Section "Screen"
Driver "vga2"
Device "Generic VGA"
Monitor "ViewSonic G790"
Subsection "Display"
Modes "640x480" "800x600"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection
# The accelerated servers (S3, Mach32, Mach8, 8514, P9000, AGX, W32,
Mach64
# I128, and S3V)
Section "Screen"
Driver "accel"
Device "My Video Card"
Monitor "ViewSonic G790"
Subsection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "1280x1024"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"
"640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"
"640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection
<snip>
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From: David Vrabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting CDROM
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:46:45 +0100
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Whenever i try to mount my cdrom in redhat 5.1, a message is displayed
> that says "fs iso9660 not supported by kernel". This cdrom worked when
> i installed linux. Any suggestions about this would be helpful.
The installation kernel had iso9660 support compiled in. Due to some
idiocy on the part of RedHat the installed kernel didn't have iso9660
support. You'll need to compile a new kernel. Consult the documentation
for how to do this.
David Vrabel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Newbie prob with minicom
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:49:26 GMT
In article <7jntgm$gdr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stacey <nynaeve@*nospam*att.net> wrote:
>Hi, I've only recently begun to work with Linux, so this might be a real
>silly question and I just don't know it. I've been trying to get my Linux
>machine to dial up to my ISP. It dials out fine, connects, but when it asks
>me for my username and psswd I type in my username (which is a bunch of
>numbers followed by @att.net) and hit return...then it just says incorrect
>username and psswd! It never even asks me for a psswd. I am getting REALLY
>frustrated because I know it can't be that hard and I am probably just
>overlooking something obvious. I would appreciate and help anyone could
>give me. thanks!!
>
>Edala
>
>
If your ISP allows what some people call 'shell accounts', where
you can log in to a Unix shell on their machine, then probably what you
want is to use your login name without the @att.net part. If you do
log in and it suddenly spits out what looks like a bunch of garbage, then
it probably is not supposed to be logged in directly but to connect
to slip or ppp like program. You would need to check with your ISP on
that but probably you would need to set up ppp on your machine, which
would mean compiling the kernel for tcp/ip and ppp support and activating
ppp whenever you wanted to connect. Once you have a ppp connection, you
are 'on the internet', able to ftp, telnet, run web browsers like netscape,
get and recieve email, but there are many pieces to the system, you might
have to set up a resolv.conf file in /etc for instance. First, see if
you can login without the @att.net part of your name.
--
Praeterea censeo Micromolle non esse utendum.
("Moreover, I maintain that Microsoft should not be used." A toned down
adaptation of a sig from Cato the Elder regarding the city of Carthage.
---- Remove "UhUh" and "Spam" to get my real email address -----
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From: Chris Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup.misc
Subject: Re: I Still cant get the new kernel to install in SuSE1.6
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:39:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:54:14, "Dennis J. Sylvester"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > hi there
> > >
> > > i have been trying for 3 days to get my new kernel to install
> > > properly in SuSE 6.1, i have tried make_install, tried copying zImage
> > > tio boot directory and running lilo, and many toher recommendations
> > > but no luck.
> Been there, done that, doesnt work,
>
> i'll be returning th software it wont work .
I've got the same problem.
I think there is a porblem witht he linux/2.2.7 directory
I get an error during make zImage:
something about unexpected end of line, out of pipe or something...
I have the whole system up and I like this distibution except for this,
can't i just DL a new kernel from kernel.org and go from there.. (by the
way, I've never done that)?
Chris Moyer
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: links requests
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:42:28 -0400
Hi all,
Where can I download RealPlayer G2 for linux?? There's none at
www.realplayer.com.
And where can I get softwares for slackware4.0. Redhat *.rpm packages
are all over the place, but it's a pain trying to find softwares for any
thing else. Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Crossposted-To: alt.irc.bots.eggdrop
Subject: Re: Eggdrop v1.3.27... any good tutorials on the web?
Date: 11 Jun 1999 04:33:50 GMT
test ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Are there any good Eggdrop tutorials on the web for setting up a bot?
Eggdrop killed my father. Prepare to meet your doom.
--
Scott Lanning: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://physics.bu.edu/~slanning
"Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer."
--Edsger Dijkstra
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Access Control
Date: 10 Jun 1999 15:06:36 GMT
Paul Chapin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm relatively new to Linux and I'm wondering if there's a feature
>somewhere equivalent to Digital Unix's ACLs that let you control access
>permissions to particular directories or files on a user by user basis?
Currently there isn't. There have been hooks in the ext2 filesystem code for
ACL for a long time, but I haven't seen a mature implementation of ACLs.
Kragen's list of filesystems (http://linuxtoday.com/stories/5556.html) shows
no other obvious candidates for Unix filesystems with ACL.
There is discussion on the linux-kernel mailing list about a next generation
"ext3" filesystem, which may well have ACLs as one of its features, and some
people appear to be working on ACLs for ext2; see
http://aerobee.informatik.uni-bremen.de/acl_eng.html.
HTH,
Ray
--
PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose
between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would
have the decency to betray his country.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: 10 Jun 1999 20:22:08 +0100
In article <01beb30a$78d2fa50$0100a8c0@sahara>,
Robert Zanatta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>Wrong. Once control is passed on to any code, and it takes control of the
>system and it's functionality (memory allocation, I/O, etc.), then it is an
>OS.
I hold no brief in the W9x is/isn't an OS/DOS debate but this is
blatant nonsense. Just taking control of the hardware in no way
qualifies a program as being an OS. By this reasoning every C64
game is an OS.
John
--
John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England.
The Linux Emporium - a source for Linux CDs in the UK
See <http://www.polo.demon.co.uk/emporium.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mr S A Penny)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: 10 Jun 1999 19:21:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Erik Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Personally I believe in open source, I'm a Linux advocate, but I don't
>> understand the "you must be totally open source or you must die crowd."
>> Why must so many people be such extremists? Or are they just mimic'ing the
>> antics of their fearless hero, Stallman?
>> All that the "open source it or else threat" is going is keeping commercial
>> software companies from entering the Linux market due to fear. This IMO
>> is not a good thing and this does not promote Linux.
>It's not really a case of "open source or you must die" as you put it,
>more a case of accepting that most (all?) companies will die sometime
>and we'd rather not be stuck reverse-engineering your useful product
>after you've gone. So most of the time, if something is useful, an
>open clone will appear before too long so that we can direct effort to
>that which will continue forever, rather than continue building up the
>inevitably doomed closed product.
I have to say I'm confused how Mr Olson got "go gpl or die" (OWTTA) from
the previous post, AIUI if you're not opensource, ppl will clone your product
and you've gained next to nothing, this isn't some kind of threat, merely a
statement of fact...
SammyTheSingle
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