Linux-Misc Digest #687, Volume #20 Fri, 18 Jun 99 14:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: ipfwadm only works for sometimes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Shutdown (Leonard Evens)
Re: RH 6.0 PPPD (Leonard Evens)
Re: newbie question: howto see diskspace (Leonard Evens)
Re: ppp (Marc Mutz)
Netscape and Massive harddrive swapping ("Farid Noujaim")
Re: view or delete file using inode? (Marc Mutz)
Re: Linux uid limits! (Villy Kruse)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Anthony Ord)
Re: Kernel errors? (Marc Mutz)
Re: Netscape and Massive harddrive swapping (Matt Willis)
Re: Very small font in Netscape (CZ)
Re: vgetty problems (Marc Mutz)
Can I use two separate mice? (Ed Gatzke)
How to start two X servers? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Parition Magic 4.01 obliterated my ext2 partition (Rod Smith)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ipfwadm only works for sometimes
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:22:06 GMT
Your problem may be from the following:
TCP Connections to DNS (nameservers)
If you're trying to block outgoing TCP connections, remember that DNS
doesn't always use UDP; if the reply from the server exceeds 512 bytes,
the client uses a
TCP connection (still going to port number 53) to get the data.
This can be a trap because DNS will `mostly work' if you disallow such
TCP transfers; you may experience strange long delays and other
occasional DNS problems
if you do.
If your DNS queries are always directed at the same external source
(either directly by using the nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf or by
using a
caching nameserver in forward mode), then you need only allow TCP
connections to port domain on that nameserver from the local domain port
(if using a
caching nameserver
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"RJHM van den Bergh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do have a problem with Linux RedHat 5.1 and ipfwadm.
>
> Situation:
> ppp0 with external ISDN TA
> Private LAN 10.0.0.0
> The Linux box acts as a gateway to the internet.
> Attached on the Linux Box is an NT workstation.
>
> With the Linux box I can surf to every site.
> With the NT box I can surf to allmost every site.
> I use ipfwadm on the Linux box to do masquarading.
>
> At the end fo this email I attached the firewall script.
> I'm totaly confused why I can't reach some sites.
> DNS seems to work loging the ipfwadm shows
> Jun 7 20:33:46 jads kernel: IP fw-in acc ppp0 TCP 212.233.1.66:80 194
> .159.226.43:61250 L=44 S=0x00 I=4374 F=0x0040 T=118
> Jun 7 20:33:46 jads kernel: IP fw-in acc ppp0 TCP 212.233.1.66:80 194
> .159.226.43:61250 L=40 S=0x00 I=18710 F=0x0040 T=118
> This is the incoming signal from line
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a accept -W ppp0 -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D $MY_STATIC/32 -o
> But comunication stops then.
>
> If put some system setings on the end also
>
> The IP of the NT 10.0.0.3
> The IP of the Linux 10.0.0.1
>
> Don't know why.
> I've been looking for it some days now
> Thanks for any help.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ---------------------
> Route table
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Us
> e Iface
> demon-du.demon. * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0
> 0 ppp0
> 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0
> 5 lo
> 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0
> 6 eth0
> default demon-du.demon. 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 9
> 5 ppp0
>
> ------------------
> HERE IS THE IPFWADM CONFIG FILE
> it is started from rc.local (also tried it manualy)
> #!/bin/sh
>
> #
> # Firewall settings , with IP masquerading
> #
> # File /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall
> # Fnvoked from rc.local
> #
> # Source: Lunix system administration handbook
> # Edited and commented by RJHM van den Bergh , [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> #
>
> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
>
> MY_ETH0=10.0.0.1
> MY_NET=10.0.0.0
> MY_STATIC=194.159.226.43
>
> # Forwarding rules
> # First flush the old Forwarding rules from memory
> /sbin/ipfwadm -F -f
> # Default deny everything
> /sbin/ipfwadm -F -p deny
>
> # Set up the masquerade
> # Masquerade the ips from MY_NET (eth0) to ppp0
> /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -W ppp0 -S $MY_NET/8 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> # Also the script does set up masquerade for sl0
> # This has something to do with daild
> # Unknown , I don't have a slip line so I comment it out
> # ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -W sl0 -S $MY_NET/8 -D 0.0.0.0/0
>
> # Extra line added to prefent the system forwarding IP
> # directed to the gateway itself
> # Probably not necessary so I commented it out
> # I think it is necessary
> # ipfwadm -F -a deny -W eth0 -S $MY_NET/8 -D 10.0.0.1/32
>
> # Incoming rules
> # First flush all old incoming rules
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -f
> # Default deny everything
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -p deny
> # Packets from my local net (eth0) to anywhere else are allowed
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a accept -W eth0 -S $MY_NET/8 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> # Packets pretending to be from my local net (eth0) but aren't are
denied
> # They can in fact come from the outer world (ppp0)
> # I think they call this spoofing (someone is pretending to be someone
else)
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a deny -W ppp0 -S $MY_NET/8 -D 0.0.0.0/0 -o
> # Packets comming in from the outer world are valid
> # (i.e. if we are using the firewall machine for email or someone
> # VALIDY telneting to the machine )
> # Don't gues this is what I want , to restricted
> # But anyway just add it
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a accept -W ppp0 -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D $MY_STATIC/32
> # Also make the localhost possible for testing
> /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a accept -V 127.0.0.1 -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 0.0.0.0/0
>
> # Outgoing rules
> # First flush all old settings
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -f
> # Default deny everything
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -p deny
> # I think the next one is make messages going out to my local net
valid
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -a accept -W eth0 -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D $MY_NET/8
> # Next three aren't clear to me
> # I think they are used to prefent someone from the outer world
> # pretending to be someone from my local net
> # this is called spoofing
> # If it gives a problem I will comment them out.
> # I call this setting paranoid , messages with IP that are used only
for
> local nets
> # are dropped by routers on the net , because they are said to be
alien
> (incorrect).
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -a deny -W ppp0 -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D $MY_NET/8
> # I do have some questions about the next one.
> # If it denies messages from my net going out to the outer world
> # through ppp0 then nothing will get out !!
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -a deny -W ppp0 -S $MY_NET/8 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> # The last line is used twice think this is an error in the book.
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -a deny -W ppp0 -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D $MY_NET/8
> # All outher data going out to the outer world are suposed to be valid
> # The book still uses the slip line sl0 again.
> # This has something to do with the daild program.
> # I'll comment it out because I don't have a slip line
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -a accept -W ppp0 -S $MY_STATIC/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> # ipfwadm -O -a accept -W sl0 -S $MY_STATIC/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> # The local host should be reached to
> /sbin/ipfwadm -O -a accept -V 127.0.0.1 -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 0.0.0.0/0
>
> # Let the user know that the firewall has been set up
> echo "Firewall is set up with IP masquerade."
>
> -----------------------
>
> Here is the ifconfig output
> lo Link encap:Local Loopback
> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0
> UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1
> RX packets:47 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
> TX packets:47 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:4B:43:A9:EE
> inet addr:10.0.0.1 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:12449 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
> TX packets:10141 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
> Interrupt:12 Base address:0xe400
>
> ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
> inet addr:194.159.226.43 P-t-P:194.159.73.222 Mask:255.255
> .255.0
> UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING MTU:256 Metric:1
> RX packets:4158 errors:3 dropped:3 overruns:0
> TX packets:2745 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>
>
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Shutdown
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:06:14 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I use Redhat 6.0.
>
> If I reboot the machine with shutdown -r then, while rebooring it`s
> say`s ;
>
> / device is busy
>
> and it won`t umount /, leaving me with an uncleanly umount ed
> filesystem when I reboot.
> This doesn`t happen when I reboot with shutdown -h .
>
> Can anybody help me ?
>
> Thanks in Advance for the answer.
>
> Maurice Mahieu
I'm not sure why you want to do shutdown -r since you can reboot simply
by using
Ctrl-Alt-Del (if you are running Linux on a PC). But I just checked
my lap top
which is running RH 6.0 and
shutdown -r now
seemed to work just fine.
I don't know why there should be a difference between -r and -h, but
something
may be misconfigured. The easy answer is that the error message you
get is
correct and something is being done on the root file system which can't
be
interrupted. But I can't think of what that could be. Try it again
and check
the running processes.
-
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 PPPD
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:15:07 -0500
Rich wrote:
> I'm having trouble getting ppp working which is really frustrating since it
> was working a few days ago. From the GNOME dialer I get the "The ppp
> daemon died unexpectedly" message. I can't even use minicom anymore as it
> tells me I am already logged in. My guess is that there's a lock file
> somewhere causing the trouble, but where is it?
Look in /var and subdirectories as suggested by others. One possible
problem
is that you originally ran pppd as root and the lock file (or conceivably some
other
file) is owned by root. If you then try to run pppd as an ordinary
user---which you
can arrange to do---that file can't be opened because you are not root. If
this is
the case, then you should still be able to run pppd as root. If this is the
problem
just chmod the permissions on the file and you should be okay.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie question: howto see diskspace
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:17:06 -0500
Jeremiah wrote:
> In article <7kd3k9$14o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
> > I would like to find out how i can see howmuch diskspace is available on
> > my linux partition. But i haven't found any command to get this
> > information. It must be something simple but.... i can't find it.
>
> The command is 'df'. It'll show you how much space is available
> on all mounted partitions.
>
> Brian
>
> --
> email to bmeloon1 at twcny dot rr dot com. evilquaker is a spam collector.
The command du (disk usage) is also useful. Check the various options on
the man page.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:59:54 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ppp
Sybren Stuvel wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick
>
> Maybe I'm talking nonsense here, but try to replace cua0 by ttyS0.
> By the way: do you really use cua0 for your modem? Usually there's a
> mouse connected to that port.
>
cua0 == ttyS0
^
for outgoing
^
for incoming
Don't use cua*! they are obsoleted in 2.2.x kernels and always were a
strange thing...
Marc
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From: "Farid Noujaim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape and Massive harddrive swapping
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:30:31 -0400
Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone has any information as to why Netscape hogs my
harddrive swap. Here's what happens...
I have a cable modem connected to my linux box running windowmaker. My box
is a P200 with 16Megs of RAM (soon to be more). WindowMaker runs fine as
long as Netscape doesn't exist on screen. I open netscape and surf the web
for about 10-15 minutes at decent speeds. After that time-frame going from
page to page gets to be a taxing thing for me and my system. All I hear is
the harddrive spinning to catch up with the info coming down the pipe. I've
tried to decrease my cache space but that didn't help, increasing it doesn't
either. It's getting quite frustrating
Any help would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Farid
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:02:37 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: view or delete file using inode?
John Thompson wrote:
>
> Is there some way to view or delete a file using the inode
> number? I have a peculiarly-named file in /usr that I can't
> seem to access in any way to see the contents or remove:
>
> 110773 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66560 Jan 10
> 12:30 s????qq???
>
> Wild-cards don't touch this thing.
>
rm -- *
Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux uid limits!
Date: 18 Jun 1999 19:32:13 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Roberto P.Martins Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I've been wondering how many user accounts a single linux box could
>> support. And taking a look at /usr/include/pwd.h, the header file with
>> functions and data structures to handle and create user accounts, I
>> found that uid is defined as unsigned int. Is it true? If true, I could
>> have "only" 65535 users! How very big sites, offering web space and
>> email like Geocities and Xoom, handle million user accounts?
>
>by having a 32 bit int perhaps?
>
But with millions of users the plain password file would be very slow for
the sequenctial searches, and a more appropriate db style password file
would be needed. With a new pam module that shouldn't be too difficult.
There is or used to be an upper limit on the user id that was much
lower than 65535. If that still is the case I'm not sure. However,
I've seen problems with cpio or tar if a user id doesn't fit within a
16 bit integer; that was on an aix system with a user nobody user id -2
equal to 0xfffffffe.
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:20:04 GMT
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:18:24 +0000, mlw
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Stuart Brady wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, mlw wrote:
>>
>> >XFree86 does not need to multitask programs because it run on operating
>> >systems that naturally have this capability.
>>
>> My point exactly - Microsoft should have put multitasking (and a lot of
>> the other things that windows does) in DOS, instead of in Windows.
>
>They did, in a way. The Windows virtual machine manager is the beast
>that does the DOS multitasking, virtual memory management, etc. I'm not
>sure if it can be done in '95, but, in 3.1 one could copy command.com in
>place of win.com and have a full DPMI version of DOS with VxD drivers.
Go to system.ini and the section 386Enh. Put in an entry
Shellname=c:\command.com. Reboot.
You get long file names and "cd ..." works as well, but it
is rather unstable.
No change there then.
>> >Remember, all versions of "Windows" (excluding NT and CE) are DOS based.
>>
>> CE is DOS (and therefore CP/M) based? Yikes... I thought Microsoft might
>> have had the sense to code everything from scratch this time round...
>
>Actually CE 1.0 was a very cool Real-Time OS. 2.0 has risen to
>Microsoft's usual mediocrity. BTW DOS can be used to boot x86 CE, but CE
>does not use DOS while it is running.
Regards
Anthony
--
=========================================
| And when our worlds |
| They fall apart |
| When the walls come tumbling in |
| Though we may deserve it |
| It will be worth it - Depeche Mode |
=========================================
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:28:45 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel errors?
Stewart Honsberger wrote:
>
> During bootup, I get a couple of errors - but I'm not sure they really
> affect the day-to-day running of my system (I'm pretty sure I've been
> getting these errors since I first upgraded from kernel 2.0.36 to 2.2.*);
>
> Jun 17 13:04:09 blackdeath kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number.
> Jun 17 13:04:09 blackdeath kernel: Cannot find map file.
>
> I get that every boot. Is this serious? Fixable?
>
Have/had that also. Never had any problem with it... But I don't know
whence it comes.
Marc
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From: Matt Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape and Massive harddrive swapping
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:29:00 +0000
Farid Noujaim wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any information as to why Netscape hogs my
> harddrive swap. Here's what happens...
Netscape has a memory leak. That means, it doesn't return memory once it
is allocated. This isn't fatal, but it's extraordinarily wasteful. As
time goes on, the amount of memory wasted grows and you have to swap.
Performance slows right down.
Your machine can be unresponsive; sitting there for a minute or more. It
is not dead; it just seems so.
The problem might be with libc or netscape, I have heard rumours of
both. Anyway, I had the same problem with all versions on netscape 4.x
that I have used. Netscape 4.x really is an ugly hunk of code; that's
partly why Mozilla is getting done.
Your best bets are:
- Run top; and kill netscape whenever it uses too much ram, restart
- Run xosview; kill netscape whenever it uses too much ram, restart
- Use the older-but-less-buggy version 3.04 Gold. This is what I do.
- Turn of Java/Javascript. (For good measure.)
- Use bash and ulimit (I haven't tried this)
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:37:57 -0400
From: CZ <Count.Zero*NO_SPAM*@anti-social.com>
Subject: Re: Very small font in Netscape
Hi there!
I don`t know much about the "K" stuff however I had the same Netscape
problem - I had to switch to 640x480 to see and still it wasn't enough.
Well, I finally thought to look under
Edit -> Preferences... -> Appearance -> Fonts
and changed the variable and fixed width font sizes to something larger.
Hope it helps
CZ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have KDE 1.1 and I use Netscape for web browser. Unfortunately, it
> shows all web pages in very small font. the Increase Font option in the
> View menu is not available. I have the same problem with KFM. What can I
> do?
>
> Besides, does anyone know how can I make KFM accept cookies? I go to
> Options menu, and I choose Configure Browser, Cookies, Default Accept
> policy - ASk. KFM, however does not ask, but rejects cookies. What is
> the problem?
>
> I would appreciate your help.
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:31:06 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vgetty problems
Would you guys please stop posting your whole syslogs?!
Marc
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From: Ed Gatzke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Can I use two separate mice?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:00:36 -0400
Is there a relatively easy way to use two mice separately? I know X is
set up to control mouse input, but could I hook up an old serial mouse
to /dev/ttyS0 and try to get mouse info from that?
Ideally, I would like to write code to get and use the secondary mouse
information. I thought about looking through the source for X, but I
really wouldn't know where to start.
Just one potential application (not the one I'm interested in): Head
tracking plus mouse. Instead of clicking to view other desktops, while
wearing your HMD you look up/down/L/R to move the desktop focus and you
still can use your mouse.
I guess ultimately I really should look into USB, but since it won't be
stable until 2.4+, I will wait to burn that bridge before I cross it.
Thanks for any help...
Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to start two X servers?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:11:02 GMT
Hello, let's say another person has logged into tty1 in a linux box and started
X, now I switch to another virtual console(say tty2) and want to startx also,
what environment variable should I specify or what display should be used? I
remember seeing someone posting the solution before but can't seem to find it.
Thanx for your help.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Parition Magic 4.01 obliterated my ext2 partition
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:23:08 GMT
In article <SP6a3.30$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Walt Shekrota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> And all this talk of 'backing up' so you can use PM! If you're going to the
> trouble of backing up the system then why use PM at all. Just restore
> to a reformatted space.
Well, let's see:
1) Running any system without a backup is begging for trouble. Backing up
prior to running PM is thus just part of the normal system maintenance.
2) Backing up and restoring takes longer than backing up and using PM,
assuming PM doesn't trash the partition. If it does trash the
partition, you've then wasted some time, but given the probabilities of
success and failure, the mean time to back up and use PM is still less
than the mean time to back up, repartition, and restore.
3) If you've got several OSes, backing up and restoring means many more
reboots than does backing up and using PM.
4) Backups can fail. Murphy's Law says they'll fail after you're
repartitioned your hard disk. Therefore, safe procedure for a
backup-and-restore operation is to back up TWICE. A single backup
isn't much safer than using PM without a backup. (Of course, exactly
how safe it is depends on the medium you're using, your software, your
experience, etc.)
OTOH, the backup-and-restore procedure does have the advantage of
defragging the hard disk in the process. IIRC, e2fsck will tell you how
fragmented your ext2 partitions are, so you can get some idea of whether
this is a worthwhile advantage on any given system.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 18 Jun 1999 18:09:26 GMT
On 18 Jun 1999 09:32:02 -0400, Johan Kullstam wrote:
>> Again I say - what about nukes? Do you support a citizen's right to own a
>> nuke? Why should one law apply to a gun and one to a nuke?
>
>the musket/rifle has been a great democratizer. in the middle ages
>only a few rich folk could be knights (and wield great military
>power).
bows and arrows were widely available ( indeed easy to make ). The crossbow
was probably the ultimate sniper weapon. Today, at best we can own guns, while
the government has an arsenal of high tech weaponary, ships, planes , etc.
>a person cannot own a nuclear bomb because he doesn't
>have the cash to buy one nor the ability to build one.
I bet BG could afford at least one nuclear missile.
>since military power has been centralized, so it is with power.
I have two objections to this statement:
(a) power has *not* become "centralised". In any place with a credible
democratic elction process, the people are ultimately the decision makers.
(b) distributing "power" between a group of opposing militias is a
step towards bringing a country towards civil warfare.
--
Donovan
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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