Linux-Misc Digest #733, Volume #20 Tue, 22 Jun 99 01:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT. (Pierre Asselin)
Re: Application Servers on Linux... (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Problems with Slackware 4.0 Install ("Jeffrey S. Kline")
Re: Visual programming languages for Linux (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: [help] Could not execute Perl script (John Koepke Jr)
Re: text in a TextField (Juergen Kreileder)
Re: COMMERCIAL: LinuxCAD - You do not know all about CAD... (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Problem with an unattached inode (Chhabra)
Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT. (Tracy R Reed)
Re: Debian advocates (John Girash)
Re: nanosleep() ?? ("Michael T. Bird")
Re: How to make a boot or rescue disk with new kernel version? (Glenn)
Re: RH 6.0 Upgrade Well Behaved? (N. Richard Caldwell)
Re: running ppp as non-root (Bill Unruh)
Re: Best dual cpu board for Linux recommandation needed. Thx. (bryan)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Joe Kalash)
Re: Visual programming languages for Linux (Ananke)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Joe Kalash)
boot/install problem; crc error (David Lafreni�re)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pierre Asselin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT.
Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:05:28 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Rafn) writes:
>2) Linux (AFAIK) does not support "ethernet striping", where you put
>multiple ethernet cards with the same IP address in a machine and have it
>send through whichever is least busy.
I thought the first Beowulf did exactly that?
http://www.beowulf.org/intro.html
--
--Pierre Asselin, Westminster, Colorado
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Application Servers on Linux...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:52:41 GMT
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:07:52 GMT, Greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>I'm investigating building a distributed application using Java's
>Enterprise Java Beans(EJB).
>
>I'll use the following quote from a "white paper" I read on a website
>to help me describe the problem:
>
>"EJB is simply an architecture--a paper specification. As described up
>to this point, it depends on a component execution system that makes
>the right implementation decisions for enterprise distributed
>applications. This so-called "component execution system" is really an
>application server. In the same way that relational databases are the
>implementation of the relational model, application servers are the
>implementation of the EJB model. "
>
>Question1: Is anyone aware of an EJB-enabled App. Server that runs on
>Linux?
>
>Question2: Is there in anything happening on this front in the open
>source world?
Of course there are such things.
Linux developers have not been immune to the buzzwords. Look for such
things as "Gamora," "Hamilton," "Kaffe," and "Ejboss."
Application servers aren't nearly as new as you think; the R/3 system has
used such things in production ERP systems for many years now, albeit with
no Java involvement. SAP used the term "application server" for their R/3
system *long* before Java was a twinkle in Sun's eye...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/langjava.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: "Jeffrey S. Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problems with Slackware 4.0 Install
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:25:53 -0500
Nope;
I think your taking the right approach. Be sure too that if you have any
stuff on the hard drive that is program related for which you don't have
install disks made, you better make them or put all this stuff on zip's or a
jaz so you can get at them. Don't use a native format backup utility as
these require you to reinstall the utility before you can restore the files.
Direct copies work better and allow you to copy back only what you want and
leave the rest on the zip or jaz carts.
If your getting these errors, when your all done and ready to destroy the
partitions, run the low level format on them if you know how to do this.
Otherwise, make giant drives out of them long enough to run Norton on them
and see what Norton comes back with.
New hard drives are getting cheap these days so if it's going bad, it isn't
that bad to put a newer one and bigger one to boot, in the box. That extra
storage space can be a dream.... and a nightmare but I won't embellish on
this one right now. No sense scaring anyone... (grin).
Jeff
Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I've just installed Slackware 4.0 on my machine. After fighting through
>a couple of problems, I have one at the moment that has me stumped.
>When I run the date command, it gives the correct date and time but also
>issues a messages telling me to run zic to set the local time zone. I
>run zic, but nothing changes. I tried reading the man page, and tried
>using the -l option as well as sym-linking /usr/local/zoneinfo to
>/usr/share/zoneinfo since the zoneinfo database seems to be under
>/usr/share and the man page indicates that zic looks for it under
>/usr/local. Nothing has worked.
>
>A more major problem is that when I boot, the last 2 extended partitions
>take a minute or so to get mounted. Also, I started to notice a strange
>noise from one of my hard disks on bootup. I ran Norton Disk Doctor
>under Win95 and it indicated that their are errors in my extended
>partition table. This does not seem to affect anything (the system
>still seems to work), but I am in the process of backing up the logical
>partitions, so I can delete and rebuild the extended partition. If
>anyone has a better idea or any experience with at similar issue, please
>let me know.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Visual programming languages for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:53:21 GMT
On 21 Jun 1999 08:52:23 -0700, Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
posted:
> [courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]
>In comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>:Just wondering if anyone can suggest a good visual language for
>:developing and using a database online on a Linux box.
>
>What the hell is a "visual language"? Hand signals?
There has been research into this sort of thing; there was a Mac-based
product called "4th Dimension" that provided a decidedly visual DB language
environment.
Code was not text, but rather pictures that would be connected together not
unlike the way CAD systems are used to assemble together the "programs" that
are made into electronic circuits.
But it's only been a niche thing, as it turns out that Symbols Are Powerful.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: John Koepke Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [help] Could not execute Perl script
Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:30:51 GMT
Matthew Bafford wrote:
>
> Once upon a time (19 Jun 1999 11:55:32 GMT), Vu N Dang was attempting to
> figure out Ilya's new Perl regex features, and accidently sent the
> following to comp.os.linux.misc:
> : [Sat Jun 19 07:31:24 1999] [error] [client 215.173.45.31] (2)No such
> : file or directory: exec of /home/httpd/cgi-bin/setup.cgi failed
> : [Sat Jun 19 07:31:24 1999] [error] [client 215.173.45.31] Premature
> : end of script deaders: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/setup.cgi
> : I already change the permission of all the .cgi to 755
>
> Check the shebang line.
>
> : Thank you very much in advance
>
> HTH,
>
> : VD.
>
> --Matthew
I have this SAME EXACT ERROR, and what do you mean by the "Check the
shebang line"?????
john
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From: Juergen Kreileder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: text in a TextField
Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:29:01 +0200
>>>>> sandip patel99 writes:
sandip> Environment: RedHat 2.5 Kernerl version: 2.0.36
sandip> NetScape Communicator 4.5/4.6
sandip> Running a Java applet inside NS.
sandip> Problem: text inside a TextField does not appear; in fact
sandip> only dots and dashes appear because height of the
sandip> TextField is too small.
The problem is inside your code.
sandip> Reason: In Linux textfield, there is a lot of space on top
sandip> and bottom of the text (inside a text field). ON windows
sandip> it looks okay. If i increase height of textField then
sandip> text looks okay. But I am using an IDE to generate the
sandip> code and have a quite a few applications so that I will
sandip> prefer to have a better solution then manually changing
sandip> height of all textField.
That's why you should use layout managers instead of hard coded
sizes/positions! Any decent IDE lets you build GUIs with layout
managers.
It might be a good idea to have a look at
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/GUI/AWTLayoutMgr/shortcourse.html
Juergen
--
Juergen Kreileder, Blackdown Java-Linux Porting Team
http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux.html
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: LinuxCAD - You do not know all about CAD...
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:25:00 +1000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> L_i_n_u_x___C_A_D - a professional CAD package compatible with AutoCAD
>
> and sold for a fraction of a price of the later now is available
> =================
>
> Follow this web-link to learn more about L_i_n_u_x___C_A_D
>
> http://209.218.86.64/avto_soft.html
This software is crap.
Read the review at:
http://pw2.netcom.com/~rwuest/linuxcadreview.html
Read why I don't like linuxcad at :
http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/lcad.html
Erik
--
+-------------------------------------------------+
Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+-------------------------------------------------+
Linux: generous programmers from around the world all join
forces to help you shoot yourself in the foot for free.
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From: Chhabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with an unattached inode
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:43:57 +0400
Hi !
I landed in this problem a few days ago. I was running KRN (KDE news
reader) when it hung. I tried to close it : nothing, logout : nothing. I then
used ctrl+alt+bkspc. The screen went blank with an error like :
-X11socket....... cannot connect runlevel=2....
I switched off the machine (no other way) and tried to bring it back up. Got an
expected unclean unmount and after an 'unattached inode#6397' was forced to run
fsck.ext2 manually as root. It offered to fix a lot of things after scanning
and said yes to all of them. Now the unattached inode was moved to lost+found.
I do not know what is the meaning of all this as I am a Linux newbie. Any help ?
Chhabra
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tracy R Reed)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT.
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:01:38 GMT
Mark Rafn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>2) Linux (AFAIK) does not support "ethernet striping", where you put
Linux does do this. Linux can bond two ethernet cards together. Beowulf systems
often use this.
--
Tracy Reed http://www.ultraviolet.org
The yin and the yang of Unix: /dev/null and /dev/zero
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Debian advocates
Date: 22 Jun 1999 03:47:54 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 22 Jun 1999 02:01:58 GMT, John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Certainly not as soon as each "stable" release is available. That's just
>>plain reckless. Sure, I trust Debian to get it 99.9% right before bestowing
>>the "stable" moniker. But opening myself up to get bit by that last 0.1%
>>would be irresponsible. Test it & let it mellow a bit.
> That would be the stage called "Frozen" which is what most people complain
> about. They complain that the freeze is too long so that when the release
> does roll around the components inside the freeze are "old." Witness Slink
> with the latest and greatest version of X. Slink had a, what, 3 month freeze
> ? That is as long as some complete release cycles of Red Hat and Slackware.
We're talking apples and oranges here. You're thinking about this from the
developer's point of view, where the testing-cycle "freeze" comes before
official release, at which point you think of the product as "mature".
I'm talking from the user/admin point of view, where a distro doesn't even
exist until it's officially released, and at that moment it's a brand-new
baby. Even if it had a months-long freeze *internal* to the Debian
project, there's no guarantee that all bugs have been shaken out & squashed.
(Mmm, squash.)
For non-developers the freeze cycle comes after official release, and
the new product is either put on a test platform separate from the
production box or they just wait for others to field-test it for them.
This doesn't show a lack of trust in Debian's testing, it's just prudent.
>>Therefore security support for at least the previous minor version is
>>necessary in order for Debian to be considered a viable alternative on
>>real-world boxen.
> Which is what Debian does. Security releases are made for Slink (2.1) as
> Potato (2.2) is developed.
Like I said, potato doesn't *exist* in this context. Only slink and hamm do.
--> I don't think it's possible to overemphasize this point! <-- (Sure,
I'll install self-compiled potato packages if Debian says it's the only way to
close a hole or two, but that's far different from going whole-hog unstable.)
(Mmm, potato.)
>>??? How is Corel going to help in this regard?
> Corel is basing their distribution of Linux on Debian
What I meant was, how is Corel going to help maintain the security of the
previous-to-current release? (By which I mean 2.0 & not 2.1r2 right now).
I'd expect a commercial vendor to care *less* about previous releases.
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From: "Michael T. Bird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: nanosleep() ??
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:56:08 -0700
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Hello J.,
man nanosleep says:
=====================================================================
...
BUGS
The current implementation of nanosleep is based on the
normal kernel timer mechanism, which has a resolution of
1/HZ s (i.e, 10 ms on Linux/i386 and 1 ms on Linux/Alpha).
Therefore, nanosleep pauses always for at least the speci-
fied time, however it can take up to 10 ms longer than
specified until the process becomes runnable again. For
the same reason, the value returned in case of a delivered
signal in *rem is usually rounded to the next larger mul-
tiple of 1/HZ s.
As some applications require much more precise pauses
(e.g., in order to control some time-critical hardware),
nanosleep is also capable of short high-precision pauses.
If the process is scheduled under a real-time policy like
SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR, then pauses of up to 2 ms will be
performed as busy waits with microsecond precision.
CONFORMING TO
...
====================================================================
Which seems to mean that there are exactly two classes of pauses:
1. short pauses (< 2 ms) which are only available to processes
using real-time scheduling. This wait chews up cpu cycles?
2. long pauses (> 10 ms) regardless of scheduling priority which
don't suck up any cpu time.
So if your real-time process requests a 1 ms delay, the cpu spins
until 1 ms has elapsed. If you request a 3 ms wait, the process
goes to sleep for the minimum supported time (ie 10 ms).
Sounds like you're SOL with nanosleep. Try setitimer and sigsuspend.
I didn't read though the man pages carefully, but at first glance
they appear to have the capabilities you want.
Later,
Mike Bird
"J. Song" wrote:
> I am trying to use nanosleep() in real-time mode, where I only want to
> suspend processing for only a few milliseconds. It seems like the
> nanosleep() call still works like the usleep() where it's 'sleeping' for
> 10 ms or longer...I can't get my loop to run faster than 100 Hz. Am I
> missing something? I do the following:
>
> struct sched_param p;
> p.sched_priority = sched_get_priority_max(SCHED_FIFO);
> sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, (const struct sched_param *)&p);
> .....
> .....
>
> BEFORE going into my loop that contains:
>
> nanosleep((const struct timespec *)&a, &b);
>
> where
> a.tv_sec = 0;
> a.tv_nsec = sleep_time_in_nsecs;
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Jae.
>
> ps. If I comment the nanosleep() call out, my loop runs at a speed of
> over 20 KHz.
--
Michael T. Bird email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AETC, Inc.
8910 University Center Ln.
Suite 900 voice: (619) 450-1211
San Diego, CA 92122-1012 FAX: (619) 450-1794
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<tt>Hello J.,</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>man nanosleep says:</tt>
<br><tt>---------------------------------------------------------------------</tt>
<br><tt>...</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>BUGS</tt>
<br><tt> The current implementation
of nanosleep is based on the</tt>
<br><tt> normal kernel
timer mechanism, which has a resolution of</tt>
<br><tt> 1/HZ s (i.e, 10 ms on Linux/i386
and 1 ms on Linux/Alpha).</tt>
<br><tt> Therefore, nanosleep pauses
always for at least the speci-</tt>
<br><tt> fied time, however it can
take up to 10 ms longer than</tt>
<br><tt> specified until
the process becomes runnable again. For</tt>
<br><tt> the same reason, the value
returned in case of a delivered</tt>
<br><tt> signal in *rem is usually
rounded to the next larger mul-</tt>
<br><tt> tiple of 1/HZ s.</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt> As some applications
require much more precise pauses</tt>
<br><tt> (e.g., in order
to control some time-critical hardware),</tt>
<br><tt> nanosleep is also capable
of short high-precision pauses.</tt>
<br><tt> If the process is scheduled
under a real-time policy like</tt>
<br><tt> SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR, then
pauses of up to 2 ms will be</tt>
<br><tt> performed as busy waits with
microsecond precision.</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>CONFORMING TO</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>...</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>--------------------------------------------------------------------</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Which seems to mean that there are exactly two classes of pauses:</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>1. short pauses (< 2 ms) which are only available to processes</tt>
<br><tt> using real-time scheduling. This wait chews up cpu
cycles?</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>2. long pauses (> 10 ms) regardless of scheduling priority
which</tt>
<br><tt> don't suck up any cpu time.</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>So if your real-time process requests a 1 ms delay, the cpu spins</tt>
<br><tt>until 1 ms has elapsed. If you request a 3 ms wait, the process</tt>
<br><tt>goes to sleep for the minimum supported time (ie 10 ms).</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Sounds like you're SOL with nanosleep. Try setitimer and sigsuspend.</tt>
<br><tt>I didn't read though the man pages carefully, but at first glance</tt>
<br><tt>they appear to have the capabilities you want.</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Later,</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Mike Bird</tt>
<br><tt></tt> <tt></tt>
<p><tt>"J. Song" wrote:</tt>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><tt>I am trying to use nanosleep() in real-time mode,
where I only want to</tt>
<br><tt>suspend processing for only a few milliseconds. It seems
like the</tt>
<br><tt>nanosleep() call still works like the usleep() where it's 'sleeping'
for</tt>
<br><tt>10 ms or longer...I can't get my loop to run faster than 100 Hz.
Am I</tt>
<br><tt>missing something? I do the following:</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>struct sched_param p;</tt>
<br><tt>p.sched_priority = sched_get_priority_max(SCHED_FIFO);</tt>
<br><tt>sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, (const struct sched_param *)&p);</tt>
<br><tt>.....</tt>
<br><tt>.....</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>BEFORE going into my loop that contains:</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>nanosleep((const struct timespec *)&a, &b);</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>where</tt>
<br><tt>a.tv_sec = 0;</tt>
<br><tt>a.tv_nsec = sleep_time_in_nsecs;</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Jae.</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>ps. If I comment the nanosleep() call out, my loop runs at
a speed of</tt>
<br><tt>over 20 KHz.</tt></blockquote>
<tt></tt>
<p><br><tt>-- <br>
Michael T.
Bird
email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <br>
AETC,
Inc. <br>
8910 University Center Ln. <br>
Suite
900
voice: (619)
450-1211 <br>
</tt>San Diego, CA 92122-1012 FAX:
(619) 450-1794
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From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to make a boot or rescue disk with new kernel version?
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:34:15 -0400
Hi,
I found this "Yard Booot Disk" to be a very complete rescue disk/disks set.
They can be customized and have all the utilities you need in an emergency.
http://www.croftj.net/~fawcett/yard/
Glenn
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"Jung, SH" wrote:
> I am using Redhat linux 6.0 with kernel 2.2.9 recomplied.
> i already made a booting disk, but i don't know how to make a boot disk or
> rescue disk with new kernel version.
>
> anyone can help me?
>
> thanks in advance
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 Upgrade Well Behaved?
Date: 21 Jun 1999 16:37:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dan Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just my two cents worth on the upgrade path...I upgraded from 5.2 to 6.0 RedHat
>with no problems. Took about 20 minutes. Only thing I had to "fix" was
>IPMasq...everything else
>stayed in place and still works.
Same here, 20 minutes, very few problems. I wouldn't pay $80 for the
update. I used the Linux Systems Labs "free CD.
--
N. Richard Caldwell
Lucent Technologies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: running ppp as non-root
Date: 20 Jun 1999 20:08:22 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hi all.
>Can anybody out there tell me how to make a ppp interface available to
>non-root users in RH6.0?
>The Red Hat FAQ page on this question was not very helpful. Thanks.
chmod a+rx /usr/sbin/pppd
chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd
will make it availabel to all users.
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From: bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best dual cpu board for Linux recommandation needed. Thx.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:18:19 GMT
asus p2bd.
buslogic (mylex), or ncr-based boards (tekram).
In comp.os.linux.hardware Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: I am building a server, want some recommendations on dual cpu
: board,
: scsi adapter and cd-rw. Stability and speed are the #1 concerns, no
: over-clocking.
: Thanks.
: Alex Lam.
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Bryan [at] Grateful.Net
http://www.Grateful.Net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Kalash)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:05:20 -0700
In article <xssb3.1185$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "William
Edward Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But the one part of A/UX which was interesting was it's
> ability to run Macintosh applications in a memory-protected
> multi-tasking environment.
Keep in mind that this was just another UNIX application. You ran ALL your
Mac/OS apps inside of exactly one UNIX application, still running
cooperative tasking between the different Mac/OS apps. If one went crazy,
it would take down your MAC VM (and all the different Mac/OS apps), but
leave your UNIX machine alone.
> Apple could have
> shipped what we now call Carbon way back in 1987 by
> simply stripping out the Unix utilities from the A/UX
> environment!
Well, they could have shipped what looks a lot like "Mac/OS X Server" back
in 87, but not really Carbon. The machine really looked, and acted like a
UNIX box.
--
Joe Kalash
StarNine Technologies, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ananke)
Subject: Re: Visual programming languages for Linux
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:43:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 21 Jun 1999 10:18:54 -0500, Bob Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]
>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> :Just wondering if anyone can suggest a good visual language for
>> :developing and using a database online on a Linux box.
>
>> What the hell is a "visual language"? Hand signals?
>
>Well now, there is a very good visual editor available, vi.
I was hoping for something like Visual C or Delphi
Thanks anyway.
Liberal Party - proudly leading Australia into the digital dark ages.
http://www.internettrash.com/users/ananke
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Kalash)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:58:42 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lawrence D�Oliveiro) wrote:
> I don't think you can blame Apple's management for this--blame the market
> instead. The product was out there, it seemed to be promoted vigorously
Snort.
Nope. Apple didn't have a clue, and did their level best not to promote
A/UX. We (StarNine) started as an A/UX company many, many years ago. We
tried, and fought, and begged them to promote and sell the product, but we
never could get them to do anything with it (which left us in lots of
trouble, as we had products, but no market to sell into).
--
Joe Kalash
StarNine Technologies, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Lafreni�re)
Subject: boot/install problem; crc error
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:33:17 GMT
I'm trying to install red hat linux 6.0 and I have a problem when I
boot with the boot/install disk, it says:
loading initrd.img
loading rmlinuz
uncompressing Linux
crc error
--system halted
and the system freezes.
I tried making a new boot disk using the new boot.img file from the
redhat updates, but it doesn't work neither.
I installed Linux completely without any problem on another system
using the same boot disk.
So is it an hardware problem or am I missing something? Is there
anything that I can do?
My system: Pentium 166 MMX
P5I430TX Titanium I mother board
Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
32 MB RAM EDO
Thank you!
David
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