Linux-Misc Digest #851, Volume #20 Tue, 29 Jun 99 20:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Silviu Minut)
Re: Linux loses in NT tests (Silviu Minut)
Somethin Dumb I did. ("jimbo jones")
Slackware 2.3 now available! (John Girash)
Re: Q: kernel 2.2.8: I've lost my mouse ! (Silviu Minut)
Merit Radius !! (Syed Qadeer Pasha)
Need Iomega Ditto 3200 (3.2G) Tape Drive info (Ron Gibson)
Re: Linux jingle (George Durbridge)
Kexpress in rpm ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0 (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0 (Alex Lam)
Having trouble compiling (vod)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Chris Costello)
Re: Linux systems- Poor security (Sean C.)
Re: Two quick questions. . . (Paul Anderson)
New Geek Discussion List (Robert A. Hayden)
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:53:49 -0400
Very interesting!
I don't think it's a shame if Linux lost one or two battles, as long as
the right people are paying attention and working on better solutions.
Perhaps the original Mindcraft test was intended to prove the
superiority of NT over Linux, but I think that test as well as the
subsequent ones benefitted Linux, by revealing eventual weknesses.
Marc Mutz wrote:
> http://www.ct.heise.de/ct/english/99/13/186-1/
>
> Marc
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux loses in NT tests
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:58:18 -0400
> I might do a step by step installation record with RH, SuSE and
> FreeBSD with my new box (I don't have the box yet, just ordered it,
> it's a dual cpu, U2WSCSI box) if I have the time, and put out the
> result somewhere.
>
> I'll download whatever is the latest from RH when my box comes.
>
> Alex Lam.
>
Don't download. Do yourself a favor and buy a $2 cd from cheapbytes or lsl or
some other linux site. It will save you time and you'll have more chances to
get it to install.
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From: "jimbo jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Somethin Dumb I did.
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:49:46 -0700
I spent 140.00 in canada to buy the beos bible bundle.
My love for Linux is back full tilt boogy. For anyone iterested in Be I will
let you know up front it aint what it touts itself to be.
Being a linux user I understand Hardware configs, according to be I have
10000 percent compatible hardware...Bullshit
The "bible" is an 800 page infomercial that in my ntbho offers little
substance and many flames at the expense of linux and win (win
understandably)
I submitted all the appropriate forms to be inc and have waited 5 days for
some response about the installation difficulties.
IS IT JUST ME???
we are havin a beos bible bundle sale.....cheap
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Slackware 2.3 now available!
Date: 29 Jun 1999 18:24:57 -0500
No, this isn't a post that's been lost in etherspace for 5 years.
For kicks, and inspired by a couple recent requests for parts of an
old 1.2-based distro, I've grabbed Slackware 2.3 off tape and put it
on my wwwsite: http://skyron.harvard.edu/slacky23/ . All the disksets
are there, plus bootdisk & "color144" rootdisk images, fips & rawrite.
For completeness I've also put the VGA16 and SVGA versions of the ancient
(but small!) tinyX distribution of X11R3, and old g77 and lynx. All aout!
enjoy.
--
"don't listen when you're told about the best days in your life Spirit of
a useless old expression, it means passing time until you die." the West
/\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\/
-- John Girash -- girash @ cfa.harvard.edu - http://skyron.harvard.edu/ --
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: kernel 2.2.8: I've lost my mouse !
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:24:54 -0400
Are you sure about 2.2.9? I've been running it for a while now and (nok on
wood) all is well. I haven't checked lately, but at some point it was
considered the latest stable, wasn't it? I hope I don't have to downgrade to
2.2.7!
Marc Mutz wrote:
> Silviu Minut wrote:
> >
> > It's well known that ker-2.2.8 was a big failure. Move quickly to 2.2.9
> > or latest stable version.
> >
> Don't. Move *back* to 2.2.7. 2.2.{8,9,10} kernels ate some user's
> filesystems. Alan Cox is bug-hunting in the woods and before he comes
> back out, you want to make sure (see current issue of LWN
> (http://lwn.net/) that your hardware is out of danger.
>
> Marc
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From: Syed Qadeer Pasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Merit Radius !!
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:50:09 +0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am testing / studying Merit AAA Radius 4.1.4E and i am facing problem
in Radius Billing & Reporting Program (Radbnr) when i ran "radbnr -r
./simple.setupsite" on the Hash prompt after successfully installing and
checking that Radius Server is running. As i did this after making
directory ( /usr/private/etc/raddb/radbnr ) and placing required files (
radbnr.conf , simple.daily , simple.gabsacct.txt , simple.gabssvc.txt ,
radbnr , simple.setupsite ) in the above mentioned directory. The all
required files are downloaded in the as it is form from
www.merit.edu/aaa site and i m providing the same environment /
situation & variables as mentioned in the downloaded files.
The problem is as follows :-
Debug level: -2
Initialize GABS...
[1B] Database 'usage.db' type unknown
[23] new_database: usage.db (21) - Database 'Field' type unknown
[1B] Database 'gabsacct.db' type unknown
[23] new_database: gabsacct.db (35) - Database 'Field' type unknown
[1B] Database 'gabssvc.db' type unknown
[23] new_database: gabssvc.db (46) - Database 'Field' type unknown
[23] object_load: ProdABS (58) - Database 'gabsacct' not found
[23] object_load: ProdABS (59) - Database 'Service' not found
[83] No service defined
[83] No billing system defined
[83] In config file 'radbnr.conf' there were 2 error(s) found
So can any one help me in this regard ??
Thanx in advance
Regards
Qadeer.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Gibson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.setup.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.hp.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Need Iomega Ditto 3200 (3.2G) Tape Drive info
Date: 29 Jun 1999 22:26:42 GMT
I'm considering getting an Iomega 3200 (3.2 G) floppy connected internal
tape backup.
What problems might be encountered with a Pentium II system if any.
Other comments are recommended especially on any locations for
refurbished or closeouts on Travans units (URL or phone number)
Please, I'm not interested in an high end DAT unit or SCSI unit if any
kind unless I can buy it for $75.
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Durbridge)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux jingle
Date: 29 Jun 1999 23:01:04 GMT
Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: How about "Send in the Geeks" sung to the tune of Send in the Clowns?
What about the old Flanders & Swann song 'I'm a Gnu' ?
--
/* George Durbridge Melbourne, Victoria, Australia */
/* tel (03) 9280 3390 fax (03) 9280 3288 */
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kexpress in rpm
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:12:45 GMT
Where can I find the news reader Kexpress in rpm format for Red Hat
6.0?
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:45:30 GMT
On 28 Jun 1999 21:41:07 -0500, Michel Catudal wrote:
>> I'm planning to try out Linux lately and I'm looking for one that's easy to
>> setup. Can anyone comment on the above mentioned version of Linuxs' setup?
>
>SuSE, you need to watch out for a few moronic comments
>1-You seem to be using a logical partition
>Do you want to put lilo on the extended partition
>2-Do you wish to make the you want to put the partition
>active (logical)
>
>whoever wrote that must have been drunk. Saying yes to any
>of those will create problems.
Keeping in mind that the SuSE team are German, of course.
>Aside from that, SuSE takes quite a while to setup, selection
>of numerous packages takes a long time and install is about 30 minutes
>or so. Install of RedHat is about 15-20 minutes.
RedHat's package selection also takes quite a while.
My second time installing SuSE took only a few seconds. I breezed through
the package selection so fast I barely had a chance to read the menus. As
for installation time; that's dependant on your hardware and packages
selected.
>SuSE wins by a large margin as for stability and ease of use.
This would be the selling point, not installation time and perfect use
of a second language ;>
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse 6.0 or Redhat 6.0
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:54:04 -0700
Adrian Hands wrote:
>
> Well, I think SuSE 6.1 is a 2.0 kernel and RedHat 6.0 is a 2.2 kernel.
>
You are wrong. SuSE 6.0 have the 2.0.36 as the supported stable
kernel, and the 2.2.5
as the unsupported development kernel.
SuSE 6.1 has the 2.2.5 as the stable supported kernel.
check out http://suse.com/
> I JUST NOW installed SuSE 6.1 on my wife's Thinkpad.
> First experience with SuSE and first experience with TPad.
> I was a bit apprehensive because I've heard TPs can be troublesome,
> but I'm happy to report installed without a hitch.
> X, KDE etc...no problem.
> I just took *wild* *guesses* at the video card and monitor settings and
> it seems to have worked fine.
>
> Looks like you want at least 600MB disk space.
>
> Actually, I ran into these two things:
> I wasn't paying attention durring the questions about LILO and somehow
> ended up with no LILO after I'd completed the install. I had to re-boot
> off the CD-ROM, choose the "boot installed system" option and then setup
> LILO. Unfortunately, /etc/lilo.conf didn't even exist so I had to go
> over to my RedHat6.0 system to see what it should look like.
>
That's your own fault.
> Also, at first no X.
> No /etc/XF86Config, no ln -s X.
> I ran XF86Setup a couple of times and got it going.
> Chose SVGA and the highest spec'ed generic monitor setting.
> Since I'm running with the LCD display, there's no risk of frying it.
>
With SuSE. You use SaX to config X initially. Piece of cake.
SaX is MUCH easier to use than XF86Config
After you config X with SaX. Save it and log out .
Then just type startx when you log in again.
> Anyway, I'm pleased with the install. Relatively painless and didn't
> seem to take long at all.
>
I have SuSE 6.0 installed from scratch from CDs. Get everything done
in one pass. Everything working properly right out of the box, set up
as a router/proxy with 2 ethernet cards, connected to my SOHO LAN - 3
other boxes - through a hub, and connected to the net with DSL running
all in about 45 minutes.
How about that for easy installation...
> My other system is a Compaq Presario running RedHat 6.0. Compaqs also
> have a reputation for not being Linux-friendly but I've only had one
> problem and it wasn't a big deal - back in the RedHat 4.0 days (2.0.27
> kernel was it?), Linux wouldn't recognize PCI cards on the Compaq bus
> when booted from LILO. I had the system a long time before I even
> noticed there was a problem because all my cards were ISA. When I added
> a PCI SCSI to controll an Iomega Jaz drive I found I had to use
> LOADLIN.EXE to boot instead of LILO because of the PCI problem. Anyway,
> by the time RH5.1 came along, that was fixed, so I use LILO now, just
> like God intended!
>
> Michel Catudal wrote:
> >
> > "Y.H." wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm planning to try out Linux lately and I'm looking for one that's easy to
> > > setup. Can anyone comment on the above mentioned version of Linuxs' setup?
> > >
> > > Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > Thanx!
> >
> > RedHat is almost foolproof
> > SuSE, you need to watch out for a few moronic comments
> > 1-You seem to be using a logical partition
> > Do you want to put lilo on the extended partition
> > 2-Do you wish to make the you want to put the partition
> > active (logical)
> >
> > whoever wrote that must have been drunk. Saying yes to any
> > of those will create problems.
> >
> > Aside from that, SuSE takes quite a while to setup, selection
> > of numerous packages takes a long time and install is about 30 minutes
> > or so. Install of RedHat is about 15-20 minutes.
> >
> > SuSE wins by a large margin as for stability and ease of use.
> > The structure of the scripts of SuSE is far superior and
> > they have a lot of nice apps plus a good intelligent dialer.
> >
> > --
> > use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> > use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> > use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> > http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> > We have software, food, music, news, search,
> > history, electronics and genealogy pages.
--
*remove all the Xs (upper case X) if reply by e mail.
** no more M$ Windoze.
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From: vod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Having trouble compiling
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:01:46 +0530
Hi folks,
These dayz i spend more time *trying* to get things to
work on Linux than actually doing anything productive.
It seems almost 80% of time is spent trying to compile *tar_gz
files and rpm'ing rpms that i download.
And more than half the times they dont compile straight-away.
======
eg: 1.
I wanted to install ghostview on my machine .
So i did "rpm -i gv*..rpm".
I got error saying failed dependecy libXaw3d.so.6
or whatever..not found
So i checked rpm -qal|grep 'libXaw3d'
and got /usr/lib.../libxaw3d..
i suppoes that means i have the file on my system.
Why is it then that i am getting 'failed dependecy libXaw3d.so.6' error.
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eg: 2.
I wanted to install cooledit (a texteditor/IDE).
I downloaded all the required files.
Unzipped and un-tarred the files
Actually went thru the README and INSTALL files.
Made sure i has all the required libraries gtk and glibc etc
and the required versions.
Then i did:
./configure ## no errors reported here
make
then all hell broke loose and it spat the following errors at me:
gcc -O2 -s -Wall -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/X11R6/include
-L/usr/X11R6/lib -o .libs/cooledit cooledit.o find.o editoptions.o
mancmd.o
options.o debug.o cooleditmenus.o shell.o mail.o complete.o manpage.o
percentsubs.o _coolpython.o ../widget/.libs/libCw.so -lX11 -Wl,--rpath
-Wl,/usr/local/lib
cooledit.o: In function serone_handler':
cooledit.o(.text+0x26): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o(.text+0x62): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o: In function uit_handler':
cooledit.o(.text+0xe6): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o: In function et_next_hint_message':
cooledit.o(.text+0x1fa): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o(.text+0x234): undefined reference to cgettext__'
cooledit.o(.text+0x2a0): more undefined references to cgettext__'
follow
make[2]: *** [cooledit] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/local/cooledit-3.10.0/editor'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/local/cooledit-3.10.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
Why is giving me the above mentioned error even though i have the
required libraries.? And if the libraires were not there or not the
required
version why didnt "configure" mention those errors or inadequecy?
======
these are just few of the un-successful attempts that i had to face.
======
The common cause seems to be make utility or rpms not being able to find
the
libraries even though they are there.
What can be done to remedy this, what are the possible ways to tell rpm
package where to look for libraries.?
======
Why is there so much inconsistency in the requirement of
the libraries that are needed by programs to compile.
Almost every program i download seems to require its own
set of libraries and versions of the same.
And i would request developers to post binaries, it would
save such a lot of time for persons who want to do some
work at Linux rather than spend dayz trying to figure how
to configure and compile.
======
Any tips or solutions or comments to my above mentioned problems would
be
very welcome and much appreciated.
--regards--
-V0D-
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From: Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:09:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:44:37 GMT, Chris Costello
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> at 1925 27Jun99 PDT, that link went to http://www.microsoft.com/backstage/
>>> No error.
>>
>> There are multiple servers. I, too, have gotten 404 errors
>>that are resolved when a reload brings me to a different server.
>>
>> However, it would be rather stupid to blame it on IIS. The
>>problem is obviously in synchronization of the HTTP files.
> Well you don't really know what to blame it on, because it
> is the result of an .asp "query". Any reason why you should
> use .asp on this sort of thing?
It is my understanding that the Microsoft WWW servers sync
every so often, possibly using a similar method as the FreeBSD
WWW and CVSup mirrors. They use CVSup
(http://www.polstra.com/cvsup/, IIRC) to update the files on the
system if the ones on the main repository are newer than the ones
on the system. That's it in a nutshell; it really works almost
exactly like the 'cvs update' command.
> Regards
> Anthony
--
Chris Costello
I suppose when it gets to that point, we shan't know how it does it. - Turing
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From: Sean C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux systems- Poor security
Date: 29 Jun 1999 19:30:55 GMT
Testify!!
Great post, Klaas had a good point, however- Glen is pretty much on the
money on this one. A horse is a horse, just as bad security is well, just
that- bad security.
P.S. it should be noted that I am *very new* to Linux (RedHat6) and
networking in general, but the more of these (posts) that I read, the less
I get flamed for being a newbie ;^D
Glen Turner wrote:
> Klaas Barends wrote:
> >
> > There is nothing a cracker would enjoy more then a canned setup. Then
he
> > knows exactly where the holes are.
> > A canned security setup is just as bad as no security setup.
>
> What crap. A machine by definition has a level of security,
> even if it is a poor level of security.
>
> Asking for an increased level of default security is a win
> in two respects:
>
> 1) it gives added protection to naive users. You can't expect
> all Linux users to be good system administrators. Hopefully
> some people are actually using Linux to get useful work done,
> and thus don't have much time for sysadm tasks.
>
> 2) it reduces the time taken for sysadms to move from the default
> level of security to a level of security they are happy with.
>
> For an exmaple, just setting the default TCP Wrappers to limit
> access to IP addresses from within the domain would defeat the
> network scanning script kiddies.
>
> --
> Glen Turner Network Specialist
> Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
> Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Two quick questions. . .
Date: 29 Jun 1999 18:18:03 -0400
"Prasanth Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>The 'find' command might be flexable enough to meet your needs.
>
du -S
Will do the trick, and out of my Tips HOWTO:
du -S | sort -n
When run from the root directory, will check all directories and tell you
which are the biggest. You may want to pipe it into tail to shorten the list.
TTYL!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert A. Hayden)
Subject: New Geek Discussion List
Crossposted-To:
alt.geek,alt.religion.kibology,rec.humor.oracle.d,rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv.mst3k.misc,comp.unix.misc
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:38:44 GMT
Greetings.
I have created a new mailing list called GEEK-L.
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blindly hawk your wares.
F) Be friendly, be helpful.
G) Basicly, don't be an ass.
Basicly I just want people with a bit of a geeky bent to be able to come
together and discuss things together. Anti-socials and "warez kiddies"
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