Linux-Misc Digest #872, Volume #20 Thu, 1 Jul 99 02:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: Arkeia questions allowed ? (Christopher Browne)
Re: linx vs hurd (Christopher Browne)
Backspace in Netscape 4.6 ("Robert J. Schweikert")
Re: Docbook? Linuxdoc? Re: Documentation issues. (Christopher Browne)
Re: Memory hogging, and dpms (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Where does this core dump come from? (Paul Anderson)
Re: Redirecting logs to terminal (Tim Moss)
Re: Filesize larger than 2 GB on Intel machines an Linux 2.0.36 (Christopher B.
Browne)
Re: Help, RPM installation problem (Howard Mann)
Re: Max file size with EXT2? (Paul Anderson)
Re: garbled terminal (Paul Anderson)
Re: FWD- The Anatomy of a Frontal Assault on Apache (Paul Anderson)
Re: Where does this core dump come from? (Cameron Hutchison)
Re: first/second/third world (Rob Hughes)
Re: Filesystem for SCO OSR and Redhat Linux ("Adam Price")
Re: Filesystem for SCO OSR and RedHat Linux ("Adam Price")
Re: ISPS (Mark Evans)
Re: ISPS (Mark Evans)
Re: Java can't find font ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Oops. Locked out :(
Re: Meaning of word ,,hacker'' (Paul Anderson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Arkeia questions allowed ?
Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:42:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:05:56 +0100, Jorge Schramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm new in Linux and therefore also in Arkeia. Is it ok, if I make
>questions about arkeia in this NG? If not, answer me, so I'll know it in
>the future.
You may find answers few and far between, depending on how widespread
use of Arkeia is. I don't know of anyone that uses it...
--
"You think you know when you can learn, are more sure when you can
write, even more when you can teach, but certain when you can
program." -- Alan Perlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:07:10 GMT, wiliam choehen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hurd are much better becuse of the micro kernel then linux
>it will be more used becuse its faster and more sabel
>and linux time its gone the killer apilcaion was network
>network are now commen so the next will be robot remot coontrol
>software or satllit operater software or maybe gen analzyewr software
>?
You really need to spell things out a little more carefully. If the
presentation isn't nicely readable, people may regard the ideas as
worthless.
At this point in time, Hurd is not *nearly* as featureful as a system as
Linux.
*If* the Debian/Hurd project goes well, this will add applications, and
may encourage people to work on the (rather large) set of things that
Hurd *can't* do right now. (PPP and X serving come immediately to
mind.)
At this point, Hurd is *not* faster, more stable, or more featureful.
It is not likely to be much faster for things that *can* be deployed on
Linux; the place where benefit would come is in being able to deploy
applications that would be impractical to *write* for Linux. That
hasn't yet proven to be much of a problem, so people can surely remain
skeptical about the likelihood of this representing a major factor.
--
"The only thing better than TV with the sound off is Radio with the sound
off." -- Dave Moon
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From: "Robert J. Schweikert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Backspace in Netscape 4.6
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 03:01:44 +0000
Can anyone tell me how I can get the Backspace to work as backspace and
not "forward delete"?
Thanks,
Robert
--
Robert Schweikert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Docbook? Linuxdoc? Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:42:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 30 Jun 1999 09:38:41 -0600, Mark Galassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christopher> Of course, there is hopefully a light at the end of
> Christopher> the tunnel, which RMS would likely regard as an
> Christopher> oncoming locomotive, seeing as how an O'Reilly book
> Christopher> is supposed to be coming out pretty soon on DocBook
> Christopher> and Norm Walsh's DSSSL stylesheets.
> Christopher> <http://nwalsh.com>
>
>I don't understand your comments, and in particular the reference to
>RMS calling it a locomotive.
>
>Norm's book on DocBook will be a free book: it will be available as an
>O'Reilly printed book, and the source will also be available and
>freely redistributable.
Ah.
*Most* O'Reilly books have been "non-free," from the "permission to
duplicate" perspective, and, not having seen indications to the
contrary, I was assuming that would be the case for DocBook.
If so (I'll remain a little skeptical 'til I see the release :-)),
that's *extremely* neat, and makes what I said above utterly worthless.
> Christopher> Seeing as how this isn't "free" documentation, some
> Christopher> will not approve, and the release of it by O'Reilly
> Christopher> after the Perl "Debacle" (Tom, you're *intended* to
> Christopher> laugh at this one...), this probably represents
> Christopher> further gasoline on the fire.
>
>Why do you say it is not "free" documentation?
Principle of "dangerous assumptions..."
The fact of upcoming "hopefully decent documentation" is a pretty good
thing, regardless of licensing; if it's freely redistributable, that's
even better.
--
"The only thing better than TV with the sound off is Radio with the sound
off." -- Dave Moon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Memory hogging, and dpms
Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:57:59 GMT, Mookie D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>In article <q0de3.263$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Linux is making optimal use of the memory resources, by having about
>> 25MB of data cached, and by pushing 16MB of memory space that it
>> hasn't touched lately out to swap, which leaves even more space free
>> for cacheing.
>
>Thanks for your explanation of this. What is the buffers memory being
>used for? Is that reclaimed automatically also?
It's a small amount of memory compared to the other figures (at least
on my system), so I'm inclined to ignore it.
See:
% man free
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Where does this core dump come from?
Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:06:18 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl) writes:
>Strange though,
>I cannot think of what it could be.
>
A better way is to use gdb. Just type: gdb /bin/ls core
Like so:
geeky1,1:~/free/freeworldbbs# gdb /bin/ls /home/hacker/core
GNU gdb 4.17
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i586-pc-linux-gnu"...
(no debugging symbols found)...
warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `buck'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0 0x40042dae in ?? ()
(gdb) quit
There you have it, the name of the program that generated the core.
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From: Tim Moss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redirecting logs to terminal
Date: 30 Jun 1999 21:05:44 PDT
add a line like the following to your syslog.conf file
*.* /dev/tty9
Of course, substitute tty9 with which ever tty you want to use
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think I read somewhere about how you can make show all your logs to a
> certain terminal (tty7 for example). How can I do this?
>
> --
> Morgan Terry
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Filesize larger than 2 GB on Intel machines an Linux 2.0.36
Date: 1 Jul 1999 03:42:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:50:05 -0700, Patrick Letovsky
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Christopher Browne wrote:
>>
>> ext2 is quite capable of handling *filesystem* sizes considerably larger
>> than 2GB. (2TB rings a bell.)
>
>I read your page about the 32 bits architecture limitation, actually
>your page is very well documented for all kernel features.
>In my case, it is just for being able to create a tar file > 2gb, so if
>the only thing to do is to recompile tar under the 2.2.x with the latest
>GNU C compiler, that is not that big of a deal.
>But I still miss information about this patch itself, it can be in beta
>or alpha, I want to give it a try. I mount a RAID5 disk array on
>/dev/sda3, there, I only have backup files from other systems, and one
>of this file needs to be > 2Gb. I hope the patch doesn't involved to
>re-mkfs the partition.
>
>Any information on this unobtainable patch will be very appreciate.
The *killer* part isn't a kernel patch; it's the (probably nonexistent
at this point) GLIBC patch that is needed to support big files.
SAS Institute did a summit on this, and some of the "big name" UNIX
vendors do have API extensions to allow 64 bit file accessors on 32
bit platforms.
Note that this is anything but transparent; you really have to pick for
LIBC to either be 32-bit-oriented, or 64-bit-oriented, and *NOT BOTH
AT ONCE.*
The result of *that* is that if you want to have tar/cat/dd/...
support 64 bit access, you need to modify them as well as LIBC to use
the 64 bit API.
LIBC5 *definitely* doesn't support "big files," and I don't *think*
that GLIBC2 provides both APIs (e.g. - small&large file accessors) yet.
Net result:
Patches must be to *ALL* of:
a) Kernel,
b) LIBC,
c) Applications.
I'm certain that c) hasn't been done, which puts you Out Of Luck.
See: <http://www.sas.com/standards/large.file/x_open.20Mar96.html>
for more details on the API changes.
I do not know where the patch is.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Howard Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, RPM installation problem
Date: 1 Jul 1999 05:01:08 GMT
In article <7ldigt$jog$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have OpenLinux 2.2 and I'm trying to install the RealPlayer RPM by
> using kpackage. It says I have an unresolved dependency:
> libstdc++.so.2.8. I looked around in my directories and I found
> libstdc++.so.27 so I looked for help at the Caldera support page and all
> I found was libstdc++.so.2.9. I installed it but it did not solve my
> RPM problem. I even created a link called libstdc++.so.2.8 that pointed
> to 2.9 but no luck. Does anyone have any suggestions or could point me
> to a place were I can find 2.8?
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/LByName.html
Cheers,
--
Howard Mann
http://www.newbielinux.com
(a LINUX website for newbies)
Smart Linuxers search at: http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Max file size with EXT2?
Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:38:51 -0400
Ron Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>What is the largest partition size supported by EXT2?
>
I think four terabytes...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: garbled terminal
Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:36:51 -0400
Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>How do I fix a garbled terminal?
>My terminal gets garbled when I do something like:
>
Hit: ^V^O
The ^ is, of course, control.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: FWD- The Anatomy of a Frontal Assault on Apache
Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:47:51 -0400
Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The MS solution to the Apache problem: Windows 2000 will have a
>simple (lightweight?) web server - very easy to setup and maintain,
>prominently sitting on the desktop. This will be "integrated" into the
>operating system, just as Internet Explorer was in Win98.
>
Ha ha! That would be beautiful, truly beautiful. That would bring Win2k from
being merely a slow, fat, epileptic elephant shot full of crack to being a
slow, fat, epileptic elephant shot full of crack, attempting to waltz in the
middle of an earthquake:) <ROFL>
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From: Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where does this core dump come from?
Date: 1 Jul 1999 04:46:20 GMT
"Jamie Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Every time I boot into Linux, I find a new 'core' file in my home directory,
>persumably being put there during bootup or the previous shutdown.
Probably during login or logout of your user account. A system startup or
shutdown shouldn't be putting a core in a user's home directory (unless you
login as root - naughty)
>I have no
>idea what is leaving it there though. I have tried looking through it, but
>can't find any program name.
Use the program 'file'. It should tell you what the name of the program was
that dumped the core file. On my Debian 2.1 system, if I core dump the
'cat' program and run file:
$ file core
core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file of 'cat' (signal 3), Intel 80386, version 1
$
Hope this helps.
--
Cameron Hutchison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | Onward To Mars
GCS d--@ -p+ c++(++++) l++ u+ e+ m+(-) s n- h++ f? !g w+ t r+
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 00:50:00 -0500
From: Rob Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
And that's pretty much my point.
Larry wrote:
>
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> >Precisely which of our colonies are we exploiting?
>
> >> Tahiti; the atrocities committed by the recently ousted regime can
> ^^^^^^^^^^
> >> be directly attributed to the USA since Uncle Sam is the one who all
> >> but killed Aristide and even now refuses to let Aristide serve out
> >> the remainder of his term as President. Tahiti has trouble feeding
> >> its own population and yet it is a net *exporter* of food (one guess
> >> where the food's going); nuts and such.
> >>
> >> Mexico, Brazil, Columbia, and Chile are all prime examples. Does
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> This is proof positive that this guy is an idiot and has no idea what
> the hell he is talking about.
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From: "Adam Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: Filesystem for SCO OSR and Redhat Linux
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:57:45 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7l5o8t$e2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I am in the process of moving from SCO OSR 5.0.5 to RedHat 6.0.
>My machine dual boots between the two OS'es. My user's files
>are in a separate partition which is currently SCO OSR's HTFS
format.
>RedHat 6.0 (at least as I configured it) does not "know" HTFS.
>I would like to copy the entire contents of that file system
>into another file system which both RedHat and SCO can access.
>The file system MUST support soft links.
>Does such a file system format exist? The only file systems I
>found common to the two are the generic UNIX S51K file system
and
>DOS. Neither supports soft links.
>
I have a few twisted ideas...
Can you 'borrow' another machine to put the linux disk in then
use an NFS mount or some other type of network copy?
Can vmware run under SCO? Try running linux on vmware then doing
the above?
Use tar to write to a raw disk partition
Make a big fat tar file on a dos partition
Use iso9660 with rock ridge extensions (mkisofs will create the
filesystem on SCO, dd will write it to a raw partition and linux
should mount it no problem even though its not on a cd)
None of these are pretty, but they might just work....
Hope this helps
Adam
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From: "Adam Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: Filesystem for SCO OSR and RedHat Linux
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:59:51 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7l8arg$d02$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Apologies if this comes out as a second posting, problems on our
server
>appear to have 'eaten" the first.
>
>Anyone know of a filesystem supported by SCO OSR and RedHat
which
>supports 255 char file names and symbolic links?
>
>I am migrating from SCO OSR 5.0.5 to RedHat 6.0. I would like
to put
>all my user files are on a separate partition (NOT using SCO's
divisions)
>using a file system which can be read/write by either SCO or
RedHat and
>which supports 255 char filenames and symbolic links. To the
best of my
>knowledge, SCO's version of the UNIX SysV file system does not
support
>symbolic links. Its EAFS (Extended Acer file system) does but I
am
>not aware of it being fully supported by RedHat (I did see a
reference to
>a project to create support for EAFS in Linux but what I read
indicated there
>was only read-only support).
>
See my other post for lots of ideas some of which may even work.
BTW Why do you need more than read only support to migrate?
Adam
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From: Mark Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISPS
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:04:41 +0100
John Winters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <7l7mgq$eg8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Darren Paxton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>every ISP in the world is generally based on Microsoft.
> Completely untrue (although doubtless the sort of impression Microsoft
> try to generate). Very few ISPs are based on Microsoft products - they
> simply aren't stable or scaleable enough.
Quite a number give the impression that you must be running
Windows in order to use the service though.
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From: Mark Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISPS
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:02:45 +0100
Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Darren Paxton wrote:
>> Since Microsoft has the dominating share in the market of computing (I
>> do not think anyone would doubt this statement), every ISP in the world
>> is generally based on Microsoft.
> No, most ISPs are based upon UNIX/Linux. That they cater for a Windows
> majority usually has nothing to do with the systems that they run
> themselves. ISPs have different requirements to a desktop PC user - ie
> they cannot afford downtime.
I think Darren ment from the POV of their customers. Such as ISPs
ensuring that their setup will work with Windows. Possibly, as
with BT Internet, hiding setup details inside Windows programs.
>> What I would like to ask you all, if any of your ISPs (and where they
>> are based), FULLY support Linux. Personally, I have used Freeserve
>> (don't ask). Softnet (not bad), and In2Home (also, not bad). Now, I am
>> using a dialup script to my old university (the only script for
>> connecting that has actually worked for me).
> I have found Demon to be pretty good as a dial up service.
Demon used to simply supply set up information, more recently they
have followed the "Windows coaster" approach.
>> Obviously, with the popularity of, and curiosity about Linux increasing
>> all the time, does anyone feel, like I do, that its about time the ISPs
>> start supporting Linux?
> Why should they support any client platform. Their business is not to give
> out free technical support for numerous computing platforms but rather to
> provide access to the Internet. What they should really be doing (and many
> are) is simply offering details of dialup numbers, auth methods, DNS etc
> entries.
IMHO they are terrified that if they don't provide support to Windows
then they won't get these customers.
Also there is a need to get information in a platform independant way,
rather than (as I have seen) provide a step by step box click list
for Windows.
DNS is also an issue since some ISP's assume that the Windows LCP
extensions (which enable requestion of DNS & WINS servers) are standard.
>> Like I have stated before, I have had major problems connecting to the
>> UK service Freeserve through Linux, and through the newsgroups, I
>> tracked down about 10 different methods to connect. I do not know if I
>> had maybe done something wrong with the scripting or whatever, but I
>> just gave up. My idea is, wouldn't it be better if, when you want to
>> connect to the ISP, they give you a CD, or even a disk, that contains
>> the relevant scripting, or even a tar archive or an rpm with a dialer
>> script.
> This is a very dangerous thing. Consider how virii and trojans get
> distributed for DOS/Windows PCs.
> A better solution is for them to send out a simple instructions sheet.
> Paper and print is still cheaper than a blank CD.
The information needed is less than a sheet of A4 (unless you use
72 point text). Far cheaper to send. Also how do you fax a CDROM?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Java can't find font
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:59:13 GMT
Steve,
I am a Solaris user, and I too faced the same problem. Whenever,
I start any GUI application, java used to crib with a set
of errors indicating "font not found...".
I checked for any bugs in 1.2 for Solaris in JavaSoft and
I found similar mails in that site.
I also found a mail where-in a temporary font.properties
file was included. Using this file suppressed the error
messages, which solves 10% of my problems.
I would suggest you to visit JavaSoft and search on
"font.properties".
Kumar.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I downloaded the java 1.2 for linux and it seems to work most of the
> time but every time I start anything I get a load of error messages
> saying that a font specified in font.properties is not found. the
exact
> message is:
>
> Font specified in font.properties not found [--zapf
> dingbats-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific]
>
> I have a hunch that this is causing one of my programs to crash, but
it
> is still annoying. I can't even find the file font.properties so any
> help appreciated.
>
> steve
> thanks in advance
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oops. Locked out :(
Date: 1 Jul 1999 06:03:15 GMT
Thank you everyone for the replies. The one about 'linux single' did the
trick. It stuck me right at a bash prompt as root and I was able to
correct my mistake (/bin/tsch).
Ok, now that I've done that, how do I disable the ability to do that? ;)
I don't want anyone else to be able to do that, and I won't need to do it
again, since I'll be much more careful from now on :)
I boot from lilo via a floppy disk.
And yes, chsh is a new friend of mine :)
Thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Meaning of word ,,hacker''
Date: 30 Jun 1999 22:32:10 -0400
Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Too limited. Extend the definition to solving ANY problem in an
>ingenious and efficient way.
>
IMHO, it touches on many of the principles of being a good engineer. A hacker
will treat a problem as a sort of toy, fascinating to fix, and even better
when the fix is a beautiful one(i.e. simple, creative, effective and
essentially
flawless). Hackers are not stupid people, indeed stupidity is contradictory
to being a good hacker.
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