Linux-Misc Digest #920, Volume #20 Sun, 4 Jul 99 19:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: linx vs hurd (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: No Xvidtune in RH 6.0??? (Bob Tennent)
rh6.0 and printing (RHS Linux User)
Permissions problems on files installed by RPM package (Cedric Chausson)
Re: Dial-up Connection (Anita Lewis)
Re: Help Netscape 3.0 needed for Linux (Dave Edick)
help! (jack)
Re: Help with X: can a user detect mouse activity on a remote X console? (Helmut
Kreft)
Re: Anyone using PHP? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
can't find/make/fake module-info - HELP! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What config options are in my kernel? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Localhost name in invite line has disappeared !!! (Cedric Chausson)
Re: Backing up to a remote tape ("Gregory D. Horne")
Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off (Tobias Anderberg)
Re: compiling the kernel in redhat 6.0 (Tobias Anderberg)
Re: Kernel compile: 'make dep' errors: .h files are not being found... (Tobias
Anderberg)
Re: Visual programming languages for Linux (Mike Warner)
cp/m86 file system originally Re: Accessing dos files from Linux. (B'ichela)
test (Joao Pinto)
test 2 (Joao Pinto)
diald and RH6.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Presentation Software ("Anthony W. Youngman")
Re: linx vs hurd (Gergo Barany)
RH6.0 vs. tik-0.73 -- Linux lockup ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: compiling gap on a linux machine (Dima Pasechnik)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:36:21 GMT
On Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:13:44 GMT, wiliam choehen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>>At this point in time, Hurd is not *nearly* as featureful as a system as
>>Linux.
>>
>>*If* the Debian/Hurd project goes well, this will add applications, and
>>may encourage people to work on the (rather large) set of things that
>>Hurd *can't* do right now. (PPP and X serving come immediately to
>>mind.)
>would it either devloping NEW thinges too hurd than it devlopt by
>linux (internet 2 probly make new typ of programs poisibel) same whit
>ipv6 ?
I think you have to be a bit more precise here.
Linux has *some* support already for IPV6, and I'm not sure what "new types
of programs" you're referring to.
>and devlop a new user interface ? the windowes interface are more then
>20 years old and we have abit more cpu power too dvelop a better
>userinterface they the first mac had...
>windowes are till hard for newbies ....
>and whats the piont whit alle those fancy 3d cardes if we just going
>too use it too more fancy whisels and bells in a windowes like sytsem?
>isnt the only resso n whey non have devlop a better user interface is
>becuse of MS monpoly?
There hasn't been any evidence thus far to indicate that the Hurd project
was ever intended to represent a user interface project. It is, and always
has been, a project to provide an OS *kernel* intended as an
alternative/replacement for UNIX.
If your interest lies in graphical user interfaces, then you should consider
looking at:
a) GNUstep
b) XFree86
c) Mesa
d) GNOME
e) Berlin
all of which have some degree of intent to provide the ability to use those
"fancy 3D graphics cards."
The last published report on X-and-Hurd was on June 12th, when Marcus
Brinkmann indicated on the Debian/Hurd mailing list that:
"The libraries work, the clients work, the servers don't work. What else
can I say?"
The servers don't work, which means that a fancy graphics card on Hurd
is, at this point, useless, as it has no ability to harness it.
>>At this point, Hurd is *not* faster, more stable, or more featureful.
>>
>>It is not likely to be much faster for things that *can* be deployed on
>>Linux; the place where benefit would come is in being able to deploy
>>applications that would be impractical to *write* for Linux.
>4excatly that what i mean is the market for hurd be creqative and
>devlop soe new software and things thatys not posibel too liinux becse
>of kernel
>maybe some xml poisbiultesys ?
Hurd may, in the long run, allow the ability to make further services that
"look as if they are part of the OS," providing something more powerful than
mere dynamic libraries.
Adding in the ability to process XML does not require Hurd; my system
already has /usr/lib/libxml.so.0, which allows applications the ability to
process XML.
> That
>>hasn't yet proven to be much of a problem, so people can surely remain
>>skeptical about the likelihood of this representing a major factor.
>but rember linux strated in 1991 dident take of before maybe 95.96...
>and hurd just start too be usefuke for hackers now ...
Development of Hurd started not far from 1991.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: No Xvidtune in RH 6.0???
Date: 4 Jul 1999 20:48:49 GMT
Reply-To: rdt(a)cs.queensu.ca
On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:47:39 -0400, Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\" wrote:
>What happened to Xvidtune that used to be in 5.2? I just installed 6.0
>today and am amazed at how well it went, or at least I thought. How do you
>adjust the position and size of the picture after you set up X? Oh, the
>pain. When will it end? I thought I was on my way to becoming a seasoned
>linux user till I got 6.0. Thanks.
>
Try xvidtune :+)
Bob T.
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From: RHS Linux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: rh6.0 and printing
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:57:43 +0000
I am trying to recover from an upgrade from rh4.1 to rh6.0. I have got
everything fixed (I think) except for printing. I have an old apsfilter
print filter that doesn't work. (There is a program somewhere named
rewindstdin which cannot be executed.) As I understand it apsfilter is
now orphaned so I guess it's time for me to move on from it. I tried to
install rhs-printfilter from the rh6.0 cd but I got an error message
about libgr-progs <2.0.9.7> conflicting with rhs-printfilter.. .
I am pretty well outside my conform zone by now and I would appreciate
any advice available.
JWC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cedric Chausson)
Subject: Permissions problems on files installed by RPM package
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:51:55 GMT
Hello,
I checked a RPM package I had just installed. That package was
Net-tools 1.51-1. I got a return telling me they're were permission
problems on three or four files present in the /bin directory..
All of them are symbolic links. As I have discovered and as it was
confirmed to me on IRC, it is not possible to use chmod to change the
permissions on symbolic links.
So how can I solve the problem ?
Thanks in advance for your help,
Cedric the Heretic
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the
government is free to do anything it
pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the
darkest periods of human history,
the stage of rule by brute force."
-- Ayn Rand- The Nature of Govt'
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From: Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dial-up Connection
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:17:34 GMT
My ISP uses CHAP so I don't get those cues, but if I remember right, you
will get them if you use minicom. You do minicom and then type in
ATDTphonenumber where phonenumber is the obvious. Then it will make all
it's noises and it should give you a cue like ogin or whatever. then
perhaps a line or so and another. You write down what it says and use
that. And for each line it skips you put in /n. I think that's how it
works. I mean that's what you put in the script.
Now if you want to complete the connection using minicom, you do Ctrl A,
Q and yes. Then you type pppd. Or if you want to cancel you do Ctrl A,
X and yes. This resets the modem.
Better look this over to see if I got it right.
http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ppp.html
Anita
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Edick)
Subject: Re: Help Netscape 3.0 needed for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:10:43 GMT
Try ftp://archive:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/archive/index.html
Last time I checked, they had Linux versions as old as 2.02 there.
On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:00:47 -0500, A. P. Nwogbaga wrote:
>
>Please, does anyone know of a web site or ftp site where I
>can download netscape 3.0 (not versions 4.x) for Linux.
>
>A P Nwogbaga
>
>
>
>
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From: jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help!
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:44:29 -0500
hello folks,
i've gone through a security howto and i've made a mistake somewhere.
when i log on as any other user than root, the prompt displays "I have
no name!@host"
can someone explain what i've done wrong and what the fix is.
thanks in advance for any help,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Helmut Kreft)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: Help with X: can a user detect mouse activity on a remote X console?
Date: 4 Jul 1999 20:51:55 GMT
Christos Siopis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What I really want to do: I want to have a process owned by user
>B that runs continuously in the background and checks whether
>someone (e.g., user A) is using the console. If yes, the process
>would suspend (kill -STOP) execution of a CPU-intensive program
>(also owned by user B) until user A activity ceases, at which
>point it will reinstate the CPU-intensive job (kill -CONT). The
>reason I want to do this is to run a process without slowing
>down or otherwise perturbing user A (no, nice +19 is not an
>option!)
>
Why? Just curious...
Helmut
--
Un*x IS user friendly. It's just selective about who it's friends are.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Anyone using PHP?
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:48:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Brad Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then when I type 'make' it runs through a bunch of stuff but gives me
> an error at the linking stage (I think). The last few lines are:
> [...]
> apsx:Break: Command failed with rc=16711680
> make:*** [libphp3.so] Error 1
>
> What exactly is Error 1? Why is apsx failing? Any ideas? Do you know
> where I could go for help? I have searched the mailing list archives
> and found a few people with this problem but nobody had solutions. Any
> other ideas?
Sorry for the late reply, but I just ran across your posting on
Deja.com.
I got the same problem trying to compile php-3.0.10 and
mod_fastcgi-2.2.2.
I couldn't find any solution on the net, either, so here is what I
finally found out:
Somehow the apache-make misses to put the linker flags _including the
filename for the linker_ into apxs (it's a small perl script). The
compiler parameters are there ok, but anything regarding linking is
missing. That means apxs tries to call the linker as ''.
So open /your/apache/path/bin/apxs in your favourite text editor and
look for the lines saying
my $CFG_CFLAGS_SHLIB = ''; # substituted via Makefile.tmpl
my $CFG_LD_SHLIB = ''; # substituted via Makefile.tmpl
my $CFG_LDFLAGS_SHLIB = ''; # substituted via Makefile.tmpl
my $CFG_LIBS_SHLIB = ''; # substituted via Makefile.tmpl
Put in the values you can find in /your/apache/source/tree/src/Makefile
(look for the same variable names without the CFG_ prefix).
After that you'll be able to link successfully using apxs.
If you deleted your configured apache sources here are the values that
work for me (linux 2.2.10, glibc-2.0.7, egcs-2.91.66, apache-1.3.6):
my $CFG_CFLAGS_SHLIB = ' -fpic -DSHARED_MODULE';
my $CFG_LD_SHLIB = 'ld';
my $CFG_LDFLAGS_SHLIB = ' -Bshareable';
my $CFG_LIBS_SHLIB = '';
cu,
Carsten
PS: I couldn't find this mentioned on www.apache.org or bugs.apache.org.
Is this a known problem? It says "# substituted via Makefile.tmpl"
in the apxs source, so it should happen automatically?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can't find/make/fake module-info - HELP!
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:20:18 GMT
Okay, where does this module-info get created in /boot? I have searched
throughout the archives, and I find tons of people asking the question,
but nobody posting the answer. I can't seem to get my modules to load
without it. HELP!?!?!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What config options are in my kernel?
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:24:36 GMT
How can I tell what config options my kernel was compiled with?
Thanks,
Charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cedric Chausson)
Subject: Localhost name in invite line has disappeared !!!
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:09:38 GMT
Hello,
I used to have an invite of the username@localhost :
But now I have username@(none) :
I have checked my hosts file and the configuration there is correct
with the right localhost name for the 127.0.0.1 adress.
Anyone have an idea ?
than you in advance for your help ?
Cedric the Heretic
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Let therefore every man, that, appealing to his own heart, feels the least spark of
virtue or freedom there, think that
it is an honor which he owes himself, and a duty which he owes his country, to bear
arms."
-- Thomas Pownall
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From: "Gregory D. Horne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Backing up to a remote tape
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 17:33:44 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hiyas.. I've got two linux boxes running 2.2.10 each
> on 100BaseT-FD. When I connected the DLT to the linux
> I want to backup , directly to its scsi controller
> it takes 1hr to backup 10GB.
>
> When I connect the DLT to the second linux box, it takes
> 3 hours to backup the same..
>
> Anyone have any suggestions or ideas how to speed it up??
>
> I'm using the following tar command to back it up.
>
> tar -s -p -b 20 -cvf second.linuxbox.com:/dev/st0 /
>
> Both are using a 3C905B.. rshd has been replace by ssh..
>
First, some clarification... If you are stating that it takes 1 hour to backup
10 GB of data when the DLT drive is directly connected to the SCSI interface of
the workstation/server and takes 3 hours to backup 10 GB of data on a remote, ie.
the tape drive is not directly connected, workstation/server, then you most
probably cannot speed-up the remote backup. The SCSI interface operates at a
significantly higher speed than the network interface; for example, 100MBps
versus 100Mbps (MBps = megabytes per second, Mbps = megabits per second, 1 byte =
8 bits). Hopefully this will clear up any confusion you may be experiencing
regarding the speed difference.
Greg
>
> --
> It's nice having Multiple Personalities! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.infinex.com/~gman Keeper of Bay Area
> B.A.S.P: Shell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Recommended First Linux Books- online and off
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:26:32 +0200
>Simple question (though I doubt the answer will be):- Which is the best
>Linux book for a (near) beginner?
Hm, I really wouldn't know since I learned most of what I know from
newsgroups, online docs and man-pages (though I'm not saying that I know all
that much :-)). Anyway, here's some books, on top of my head, I've read about
Unix/Linux:
UNIX System V Primer
UNIX Shell Programming
Advanced UNIX Programming
Redhat Linux Unleashed
Slackware Linux Unleashed
UNIX Unleashed: Internet Edition
UNIX Unleashed: System Administrator's Edition
Perhaps not what you wanted, but still they're pretty good books! :-)
/tobias
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Crossposted-To: nl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: compiling the kernel in redhat 6.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:30:56 +0200
>When installing redhat 6.0, what do I need to install extra (besides the
>source code) to be able to compile the kernel? It appeared that the
>standard installation of redhat 6.0 is not enough to be able to compile the
>kernel!! Stupid, very stupid.
You did install the C/C++ package and their relevant libraries, didn't you?
/tobias
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tobias Anderberg)
Subject: Re: Kernel compile: 'make dep' errors: .h files are not being found...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:37:04 +0200
>Installed w/ minimum install (tiny HDD)...
>
[...]
>'make dep' : all files in #include's in mkdep.c cannot be found;
Did you install the kernel source and header files?
/tobias
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From: Mike Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Visual programming languages for Linux
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 14:54:10 -0700
As we speak, Inprise is porting DELPHI to Linux. If they do it right,
this could be the silver bullet.
Mike
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Before replying, remove the leading "x" in my email address
"S. Lockwood" wrote:
>
> Ananke wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone can suggest a good visual language for
> > developing and using a database online on a Linux box.
> >
> > Thanks, Ana
> Have you looked into some of the commercial products, such as
> Applixware Builder (http://www.applix.com)
> Coffeeshop (http://www.LinuxMall.com/products/00493.html)
> Visual Works (http://www.objectshare.com)
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: cp/m86 file system originally Re: Accessing dos files from Linux.
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:50:26 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>It's fairly easy to mount the DOS partition. First you have to
>rebuild the kernel with msdos support built in, then in the
>/etc/fstab file jst put the following:
>
>
>/dev/hda* /DOS msdos defaults 1 1
>
>The * is whatever your dos partition is,
>you have to mkdir /DOS for a mount point
>Then read the man page for all the other stuff for mount.
>
>Then all you have to do is type the following to mount your DOS partition:
>mount /DOS
>
>Simple.
Too bad that does not work with mounting my cp/m-86 partitions.
only my drdos 7.02 ones. Does anyone have a cp/m-86 file system for linux?
I am using Personal CP/M86 ver 1.1. it is located on my /dev/sdb2
partition.
BTW I can boot CP/M86 from lilo or dos or linux. only I would love
to be capable of moving files directly from linux to the cp/m86
partition.
--
A pearl of wisdom from the y2K newsgroups:
=========================================================================
Y2K appears to be the Baby Boomers mid-life crisis, and it has the
potential to be a dandy.
-- Anonymnous --
==========================================================================
B'ichela
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joao Pinto)
Subject: test
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joao Pinto)
Subject: test 2
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:51:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: diald and RH6.0
Date: 4 Jul 1999 22:20:01 GMT
I have diald up and running on RH6.0. I had to go with the diald-0.99-0*.rpm
from SuSE to get it to work. I am getting the following info in my log file.
Anyone have any ideas what diald is looking for here? tap__, I can't find it.
======= /var/log/messages/ ===================================================
Jul 4 17:02:36 dad kernel: eth0: No 21041 10baseT link beat, Media switched to
10base2.
Jul 4 17:02:36 dad smb: nmbd startup succeeded
Jul 4 17:02:36 dad local: Setting up firewall with ipchains.
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad local: diald started.
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap0
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap1
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap2
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap3
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap4
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap5
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap6
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap7
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap8
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap9
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap10
Jul 4 17:02:37 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap11
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap12
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap13
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap14
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad modprobe: can't locate module tap15
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University
of California
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad kernel: SLIP: version 0.8.4-NET3.019-NEWTTY-MODULAR (dynamic
channels, max=256) (6 bit encapsulation enabled).
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad kernel: SLIP linefill/keepalive option.
Jul 4 17:02:38 dad diald[468]: start sl0: SIOCSIFMETRIC: Operation not
supported
Jul 4 17:02:40 dad kernel: cat uses obsolete /proc/pci interface
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From: "Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux Presentation Software
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:18:35 +0100
Reply-To: "Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <7ljpvm$qkn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Comeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes
>
>Is the Applixware and Corel presentation products available for LINUX yet?
>
WordPerfect 2000 ETA later this year - as soon as it's out I'm buying
it...
PLEASE support Corel - they're chucking a lot of resources at Wine.
Okay, the contractors' brief is to port Corel's software and get it
working, but EVERYTHING they write for Wine is going straight back into
Wine, not making a proprietary interface.
All we need now is for WordPerfect to go "this product comes with
source" :-)
--
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to a doughnut. These sugarcoated trousers have yet to catch on at fast-food
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If replying by e-mail please mail wol. Anything else may get missed amongst
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Date: 4 Jul 1999 22:02:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher B. Browne wrote:
>>>*If* the Debian/Hurd project goes well, this will add applications, and
>>
>>What kind of applications are you thinking of?
>
>All the sorts of things one sees in the typical Linux distribution, and, in
>particular, Debian/Linux.
And where's the problem with taking the source and recompiling an
application? As long as an application sticks to fairly standard stuff
(the standard C library, POSIX/BSD stuff), it'll run on the Hurd just as
well as on Linux.
>Look at the package list for Hurd. You won't find XFree86 on the list. The
>fact that they may *think* they support Hurd and intend to do so doesn't
>mean that it runs right now.
The XFree86 home page says:
XFree86-3.3.3.1 is now available!
<SNIP>
Highlights of the new release include
<SNIP>
* GNU/Hurd support has been added
Now, if GNU says they are supported, and XFree says they support, why
shouldn't I believe them? And where can I find the package list you
speak of?
>Similar situation: Linux FDISK thinks that partitions with the "magic
>number" 63 are for Hurd's filesystem format, which has been wrong for
>*ages.* Hurd generally uses ext2 at this time.
I fail to see how a mistake by fdisk's maintainers says anything about
the stability of the Hurd.
>I'm skeptical that this will be a major factor soon (as I previously said)
>since:
>a) People will be reluctant to write programs that can *only* be deployed on
>one, fairly obscure, OS, and
They've done that for 16 years now. Some guys got together in a group
they called the FSF and wrote programs for an obscure operating system
called GNU. And all those programs used standard facilities provided by
any self-respecting Unix, so they are completely unportable, too.
Or do you mean *only* deployable on the Hurd because they use special
kernel features found nowhere else? I've never done low-level
programming, but it seems that we have libraries so we don't have to
worry about things pertaining to the kernel.
Gergo
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are to be treated as variables.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RH6.0 vs. tik-0.73 -- Linux lockup
Date: 4 Jul 1999 22:12:15 GMT
I have just installed RH6.0 from scratch (I was outgrowing the /usr from 5.0,
5.1, and 5.2). I have everything up to speed except tik.
If I invoke tik when there is a buddy logged onto AIM, or a buddy logs into AIM
while tik has only me listed -- Linux locks up, hard. I can't
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, Ctrl-Alt-F2, or get into the box via telnet. Also, my
computer's speaker is humming loudly. What a surprise. It's the first time I
have had Linux lockup without cause since I started using it 14 months ago.
I have tested this with kernel-2.2.5-22, -2.2.5-24(RawHide), and a compiled
2.2.5-22. RH5.2 has no problem. RH6.0 does. I had everything running under
RH5.2 for several months, including the 2.2.5 kernel, no problems.
======= /var/log/messages ==================================================
Jul 4 16:25:10 dad xntpd[683]: synchronized to 128.167.1.222, stratum=2
Jul 4 16:25:10 dad xntpd[683]: kernel pll status change 89
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad syslog: syslogd startup succeeded
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad syslog: klogd startup succeeded
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.2.5-22
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad kernel: Loaded 6716 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.2.5-22.
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.2.5.
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad kernel: Loaded 2 symbols from 1 module.
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad kernel: Linux version 2.2.5-22 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux
(egcs-1.1.2 release)) #1
Wed Jun 2 09:17:03 EDT 1999
Jul 4 17:02:32 dad kernel: Detected 299949290 Hz processor.
============================================================================
The lockup occurred just after 17:00. The log shows nothing suspicious.
I am running OSS sound. Have been since 2.0.32. I have had no problems with
that.
Any ideas?
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From: Dima Pasechnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Re: compiling gap on a linux machine
Date: 04 Jul 1999 23:25:27 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Stembridge) writes:
> Has anyone been able to get gap 3.4.4 to compile on a recent version
> of Linux?
>
> I have Linux 2.2.10 (Red Hat 6.0 but an upgraded kernel) running on an
> AMD K6-3, with egcs-2.91.66 and glibc-2.1.1 (and libc-5.3.12).
>
> I have the sources for gap 3.4.3 and 3.4.4.
>
> When I try to 'make ibm-i386-linux-gcc2' (the closest target), the
> compiler barfs with:
>
> gcc -DSYS_IS_USG -DSYS_HAS_TIME_PROTO -DSYS_HAS_SIG_T=void \
> -c system.c -o system.o
> system.c:1571: conflicting types for `ioctl'
> /usr/include/sys/ioctl.h:42: previous declaration of `ioctl'
[...]
> The error messages are virtually identical with gap 3.4.3.
>
> Also, I have no trouble compiling gap 3.4.3 (haven't tried 3.4.4) on an
> Intel P133 with a Linux 2.0.x kernel, gcc 2.7.2.1, and libc-5.3.12.
> Although the K6 has a Pentium-compatible architecture, when I run the
> gap binary on the K6 machine, it dumps core. I examined an 'strace'
> and didn't see any smoking guns. I don't think it is a library problem,
> or at least not a linking problem.
This is a library problem, as newer linux'ies use libc6 (also
known as glibc).
I remeber this being reported a few times on the GAP forum,
but I haven't kept the relevant postings...
You can either try searching GAP-forum archive on
www-gap.cs.st-and.ac.uk,
or subscribe to GAP-forum and post your question there.
Meanwhile, I'd forward your message to GAP forum (hope
you don't mind.)
Dima
--
Dmitrii Pasechnik
http://www.cs.uu.nl/staff/dima.html/
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