Linux-Misc Digest #957, Volume #20 Wed, 7 Jul 99 19:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Lotus Notes for Linux??? (Michael Davis)
Burning My Own Red Hat CD (Fernando)
Re: kpackage won't install on RH 6.0. Help!! ("Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"")
Re: diskless linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Receiving Mail over PPP (David L. Bilbey)
Re: "uptime" and load averages (Alan Curry)
Re: Process incoming mail with a script. (TonyC)
embedded Linux and I2O... (William Ryder)
ANNOUNCE: Libtool-1.3.3 ("Gary V. Vaughan")
Looking for a cgi script so users can change their passwords through apache ("Chris")
Re: Burning My Own Red Hat CD (Matthew Bafford)
Re: Burning My Own Red Hat CD (Rod Smith)
Re: Connecting to NetZero through Linux (John Assalone)
Re: linx vs hurd (Philip Brown)
Re: would linux run on a partition NTFS from NT4 with sp5 (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (I R A Aggie)
Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote! (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Linux and Viruses - Not the same old question ("James Young")
slackeware bootdisk stop (wiliam choehen)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? ("Fredrich P. Maney")
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From: Michael Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lotus Notes for Linux???
Date: 7 Jul 1999 13:39:30 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alan Eady wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if a Linux version of Lotus Notes is available? I am
>> considering loading Linux on some machines @ work, but my company uses
>> Lotus Notes for messaging so I need to obtain a Linux version first.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>I don't think it's available yet.
>On June 1 they anounced that they plan to launch it by year's end.
>There was an article on www.nytimes.com.
>I haven't checked lotus' site.
>"Lotus Chooses Linux Over NetWare" - N.Y.Times
The article I read:
http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2289079,00.html
says that they're porting the Domino server, but have not announced
plans to port the Notes client.
But if enough of us ask them about it, they'll feel the demand...
--
// Michael Davis -- Solaris code slave and happy Linux User.
//
// From sunny Toronto...
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From: Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Burning My Own Red Hat CD
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:25:53 -0600
Ok,
I already read the FAQ, find on the web but here is my question.
I already downloaded the ISO image of RH 6.0 (I long night but I have
it). But know
I do not have any software to burn an ISO image into the CD.
Is there any freeware/shareware CD Writer software to do that under
Windows NT ?
I have an HP 7200e CD Writer. It suppose I could use Adaptec Easy CD
or something like that but I do not receive that software and I do not
know if I should have for free or not.
--
=========
Real e-mail: sanabriaf at yahoo dot com
This are my personal opinions
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From: "Spotillius Maximus aka \"Spot\"" <*****@ix.netcom.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.windows.x.kde
Subject: Re: kpackage won't install on RH 6.0. Help!!
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:17:01 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi Ed,
>
>1) are they the correct rpms for your Distro (you didn't mention which
>distro)
>
I think. I downloaded two versions (.i386 and 586)
>2) are the rpms the correct one for your Linux version (ie Redhat 5.2
>or Redhat 6.0)?
I'm using RedHat 6.0. How can I tell what version to use?
>3) have you checked the rpm's ( rpm -K --nopgp (filename).rpm
>and received the OK message (this is for Redhat, don't know about
>other distros)
>
I just tried your command and it still won't work, it fails.
Thanks for helping. I'm at a loss and you help is most welcome.
Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: diskless linux
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:22:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.system Piyush Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to boot diskless linux from flash. I saw etherboot and netboot
> but they require a server on the net. I have a standalone linux board
> with no NFS server. The kernel image has to be burnt in flash and if any
> directory structure is required then it has to be created in flash or
> RAMDISK. Please advise on how this can be achieved.
> Thanks,
> Piyush
Check out the the Linux Router Project at www.linuxrouter.org
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From: David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Receiving Mail over PPP
Date: 7 Jul 1999 21:40:47 GMT
+-----On 7 Jul 1999 21:25:27 GMT, Martin McCormick spoke unto us:----------
| In article <7lvsks$8ql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
| David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| >I'm not sure I understand your question completely, but I think fetchmail
| >is what you're looking for. Fetchmail can be run to download mail from
| >other computers (including ISPs) using a few different protocols (POP3 and
| >IMAP for sure).
[snip]
| Elmer Fudd signs up with bugsnet.com. His email address is
| now [EMAIL PROTECTED] He runs Linux and has sendmail so he can read
| his mail once he gets it on to his system. If fetchmail transfers all
| the mail from bugsnet.com addressed to efudd, then that answers my
| question exactly. I am sure that the ISP's have limits on how much
| mail they will hold and for how long, but one should be able to run
| fetchmail under chron to keep the ISP happy.
Then fetchmail sounds like just what you need. Sorry I don't have a URL, but
it shouldn't be too hard to find.
David Bilbey
--
"One of the worst things you can do as an actor, I think, is to forget
your lines, and then get so flustered you start stabbing the other
actors." --Jack Handey
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Subject: Re: "uptime" and load averages
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Curry)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:45:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Grant Kwok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Can someone explain what the load averages really mean in real life?
>For example, when should I be worrying about the performance of a
>server, when the load average hits 10? 20? 50? I rarely see my machine
>go over 2. How do these numbers get calculated anyway?
They are the average number of processes that are runnable.
A sustained load average greater than the number of processors in the machine
is an indication that you should be looking through your configuration for
ways to reduce CPU usage.
An exception to this rule is a machine running CPU-intensive lowered-priority
background jobs, like password crackers. These can push the load average up
without doing much harm to the performance of the rest of the system, because
of their low priority.
On a single-CPU x86 box, when the load average hits 10, worry. If it hits 20,
panic. If it hits 50, flee the country before your users find you and kill
you.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TonyC)
Subject: Re: Process incoming mail with a script.
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:57:00 +0100
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Bonina says...
> No need to answer this, guys! I found a way!
>
>
Yes there is !
I wanted to know how to do that :-(
please?
TonyC
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From: William Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: embedded Linux and I2O...
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:44:05 -0400
Does anyone know of work being done to port Linux as a RTOS in an
embedded, I2O environment. That is, is there a Linux that will run on
embedded processors, complete with I2O API wrappers? If so, may I
request appropriate websites and or e-mail addresses for the developers?
Thanks,
Bill Ryder
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From: "Gary V. Vaughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,alt.sources.d
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Libtool-1.3.3
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:32:54 +0100
The Libtool Team is pleased to announce release 1.3.3 of GNU libtool.
It will be available from ftp.gnu.org and all GNU mirror sites in the
next few days, as well as via anonymous CVS, using the tag
`release-1-3-3'. For insructions on getting libtool from CVS See
http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/libtool.html#AnonymousCVS for details.
Diffs and xdeltas from release 1.3.2 are available. It is recommended
that everyone upgrade to this release: it fixes all bugs reported
against libtool-1.3.2 and has better support for several platforms.
This should be the last release from the 1.3 maintenance series, but
work towards libtool-1.4 is already underway and available from the
CVS trunk.
The most important user-visible changes since release 1.3 are:
* New -dlpreopen force' flag to ensure that
lt_preloaded_symbols is always defined.
* Work around self-dlclose bug in FreeBSD 3.1.
* Expand convenience libraries when creating reloadable objects.
* Do not forget to import -L flags of convenience libraries.
* Do not pass -whole-archive or equivalent to symbol extractor.
* Create directory to expand convenience libraries only when needed.
* Improved support for Cygwin, DJGPP and NetBSD
* Various bugfixes
Enjoy!
The Libtool Team.
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From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Looking for a cgi script so users can change their passwords through apache
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:46:05 GMT
Looking for a cgi script so users can change their passwords through
apache...
anyone have any ideas, source of cource....
Chris
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From: *@dragons.duesouth.net (Matthew Bafford)
Subject: Re: Burning My Own Red Hat CD
Reply-To: *@dragons.duesouth.net
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:08:27 GMT
[CC'd]
And so it happened, on Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:25:53 -0600, Fernando typed
tried to post to a Windows group, and somehow ended up with the following
posted to comp.os.linux.misc:
: Is there any freeware/shareware CD Writer software to do that under
: Windows NT ?
Umm, how did you come to the conclusion that a group of _Linux_ users
would be acquainted with the applications available for _Windows_?
All you need is a program that'll let you copy an image onto the CD.
HTH,
--Matthew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Burning My Own Red Hat CD
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:45:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Ok,
>
> I already read the FAQ, find on the web but here is my question.
> I already downloaded the ISO image of RH 6.0 (I long night but I have
> it). But know
> I do not have any software to burn an ISO image into the CD.
> Is there any freeware/shareware CD Writer software to do that under
> Windows NT ?
> I have an HP 7200e CD Writer. It suppose I could use Adaptec Easy CD
> or something like that but I do not receive that software and I do not
> know if I should have for free or not.
What CD-R software DO you have? Presumably something, else your CD-R
drive is useless. Chances are that whatever you've got will work, but you
just need to find the correct option for it. (With Easy CD Creator, I
believe it's actually a separate application, called CD Copier or some
such.) Note that you may need to rename the file -- different programs
expect different filename extensions for CD image files.
If you can't find anything else, check out http://www.goldenhawk.com.
They've got a freeware DOS utility that should do the trick -- but I don't
know if it'll run in Windows NT. You can also try http://www.ahead.de.
They make a program called Nero, and the last I checked, they kept a
time-limited demo version available for download. I'm not 100% positive
that Nero will burn from an image file, but it probably will.
--
Rod Smith
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From: John Assalone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Connecting to NetZero through Linux
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:07:13 -0400
I don't see how this wouldn't be able to be done, considering NetZero is
a java app
Monte Phillips wrote:
>
> I may be dead wrong on this, having only set up two NetZero accounts
> and both on windows machines, but it is my understanding that NetZero
> runs on only Win & MAc's. One of the setups I did was for a Win box
> networked through a linux server to a modem, that worked fine. But a
> direct access from linux to NetZero I have not done, nor seen. If it
> is possible I would certainly give it a shot.
>
> Further, YAY! on you if you do write a HOWTO thats uptodate. :)
>
> g'Luk
>
> , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I am attempting to set up my Netzero account through my Linux.
> >I was wondering if any has done it or if anyone can point me in the
> >correct direction? I have seen posts on this but they have all been
> >incomplete. I am new to Linux and I am unfamiliar with just about every
> >thing. But as I can not connect to the internet from home it becomes
> >difficult to Dload How-tos etc.
> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: linx vs hurd
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 Jul 1999 19:22:44 GMT
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 02:08:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
>- And then followed by Hans Reiser writing up an API that allows any
> filesystem to be directly used as a database,
>- shortly followed by building an "SQL server" that uses that API to
> provide a fully-OS-supported, robust DBMS scheme.
erm... it's one thing to be "fully supported, and robust",and another
thing to have GOOD PERFORMANCE ;-)
I can't see how translating a filesystem to act like a database, is
going to give you comparable performance to, let's say, installing
sybase on the box :->
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: would linux run on a partition NTFS from NT4 with sp5
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:14:43 GMT
On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:12:28 +0800, andy wrote:
>Sorry to ask that kind of question but I would like to use Linux on my
>machine but before to buy red hat I would like to know if it would work with
>my configuration, I have a NT4 workstation with 320 ram and dual p2 300 mgz.
>and the all is install on ntfs partition.
You appear to be under the impression that Linux is an application.
It's not. Linux is an OS (just like NT) which would install onto it's own
partition (most likely ext2).
Just make room for the Linux partition on your HDD, create an unformatted
partition, and when Linux installs it'll format it to the desired file
system.
--
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Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Aggie)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:01:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:05:23 GMT, Anthony Ord
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ So let me see - excluding Europe and going for the bigger
+ countries I can think of from the top of my head...
You can skip members of the Commonwealth. To call them "independent"
is a bit disingenuous -- did they *really* have an option of "hell no,
we won't go"? didn't think so. Zapping them, we get...
+ Japan was involved, China was involved,
They where figting each other, and where not engaged with England/France
or Germany/Italy until December 1941.
+ the Soviet Union was involved,
Not until June 1941. But you knew that. Up to that time, they where
busy splitting Poland with Hitler and invading Finland. And Hitler
gave the Finns more aid against Stalin that either Britan or France,
even tho they talked about it...but that's all they did...
+ and it was a mainly European war...
About half in Europe and half in Asia.
James
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pronouncing "Linux" - your vote!
Date: 07 Jul 1999 13:36:56 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Benkmann) writes:
> Usual German pronounciation is Leenooks, though I think I recall
> having heard Lynooks, too.
i have to agree with normal german pronounciation - LEE-nucks. that's
how linus pronounces it btw.
> Since this thread is obviously OT, I thought I'd take the opportunity
> to ask how you pronounce the names of other Unices (or is it Unixes).
> Irix: Eye Rix, Irrix or even Iris (is it named after some special
> girl?)
EYE-ricks.
> HP-UX: eytsh pee ucks ??
eightch pucks or hockey pucks.
> Solaris: Solaahris or Solerris (and which syllable to pronounce)
SO-lair-iss.
> Xenix (does this one still exist?): Zee Nix or Zennix
ZEE-nix
--
johan kullstam
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From: "James Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and Viruses - Not the same old question
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:28:54 +0100
Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I guess it is possible to roast a power supply by rapidly power cycling
> it, and while it is possible to have the processor shut the computer
> off on some of the newer mother boards, killing the power effectively
> stops things -- powering back up requires manual access of the power
> switch. Even if the 'virus' clobber the MBR to run the power shutdown,
> NO computer will get to 'MBR' load stage fast enough to hurt the power
> supply.
Okay, but there are other hardware devices that could be clobbered by a
malicious program run as root.... take the hard drive, for instance. If I
were to send it multiple standby/resets so that it powered down and then up
again very rapidly, would it not thus be possible to damage the HD? Or X
servers - some of these have options to drive the chipset past the normal
parameters, to get a speed boost. What's stopping a malicious program from
doing that to an extreme?
Fundamentally, there's nothing stopping Linux being a virus host - all it
takes is one malicious program run as root, and it can detach itself from
the console and do its best to hide itself from the system. Even the best
sysadmins occasionally do something stupid... and as Linux becomes more
popular, more people with no sysadmin skills and no concept of the UNIX
security model run their own Linux boxes, doing stupid things like logging
in as root all the time. What's even worse is that these newbies are the
least likely to compile from source, and most likely to install an RPM.
Think about it - download an RPM, su root to install it, then forget to su
back to their username before they run it to try it out. BAM! Virus
installed as root. (This is of course one of the reasons why sudo is much
more secure....)
I'm afraid to say that I think it's only a matter of time before we start
seeing the first Linux viruses. Sure, you'd probably have to target one
libc major number, but most newbies are probably going to be using Red Hat
5.x/6.x, so it's glibc 2/2.1. It hasn't happened before because previously
there hasn't been the critical mass of users to interest virus writers, and
Linux IS harder to write a virus on than on Windows/DOS. Still, UNIX has
had the odd common-or-garden trojan floating about since time immemorial, so
I don't see why it couldn't happen.
Marm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (wiliam choehen)
Subject: slackeware bootdisk stop
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:06:22 GMT
when im going too install salckeware on my pentium 120 16m ram 1.7 gb
hardrive
my bootdisk just stop whit li and then cant do anything
whats wrong?
EVRYTHING IS JUST A SATE OF MIND
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From: "Fredrich P. Maney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark?
Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:38:32 GMT
In comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[deletia]
: After WWII, yes. Before that, you were NOT a "superpower".
: Your country was the only one in the northern hemishpere that was NOT
: totally trashed in the war, therefore, you had no infrastructure to rebuild,
: therefore, you had plenty of money to put elsewhere.
Not true. Canada for example was in pretty good shape (I'm not sure if it
was still subject to English rule at the time though). As for the superpower
quip, the USA most definitely was a SuperPower by the time of WWII, we
just weren't recognized as such by the arrogant Europeans who seemed to
feel they had some Divine Destiny to rule the world.
: The only countries that really BENEFITTED from the war were Germany and the
: USA (Because it bumped the usa several rungs up the ladder of world power,
: and everyone else down a couple.)
Complete Bullshit. Even now Germany is *still* rebuilding and repairing
from WWII. As for the USA benefitting from WWII, have you even *read*
history concerning the war and just how many US troops died? If I remember
the population numbers of England correctly, it was more than your entire
country (not just your combat dead, but your whole country).
: Our farmers feed the US
: = population and 25% of the rest of the world. The American people
: = freely give of their time and money to those less fortunate.
: And people from other countries DON'T?
Not in anywhere near the numbers that the US does they don't.
[deletia]
: The rest of the world (tm) dates WWII as 1939 to 1945.
Sources? I personally doubt that. I would be much more inclined to think
that each country dated WWII as lasting for the time of their involvement
in it. Just like the English do. Just like the US does.
[deletia]
fpsm
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